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Yes or no?

Dirty gypsies need to learn some gosh darned respect.

We need real Zero Tolerance

Capital punishment, or corporal punishment?

Whats with all the noobs?


All I have to say is, if anyone else touched my kid, there would be hell to pay.

From Wikipedia:

Capital punishment, the death penalty or execution, is the killing of a person by judicial process for retribution and incapacitation. Crimes that can result in a death penalty are known as capital crimes or capital offences. The term capital originates from Latin capitalis, literally "regarding the head" (Latin caput). Hence, a capital crime was originally one punished by the severing of the head.

Capital punishment has been practiced in virtually every society, excluding those with state religious proscriptions against it. It is a matter of active controversy in various states, and positions can vary within a single political ideology or cultural region. A major exception is in Europe, where Article 2 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union prohibits the practice.[1]

Today, most countries are considered by Amnesty International as abolitionists,[2] which allowed a vote on a resolution to the UN to promote the abolition of the death penalty.[3] But more than 60% of the worldwide population live in countries where executions take place in so far as the four most populous countries in the world (such as People's Republic of China, India, United States and Indonesia) apply the death penalty and are unlikely to abolish it soon.


Of course not.

If you mean disciplining children by physical contact, then hell no. I'd beat the shit out of a teacher that physically harmed my child without my knowledge or permission.

Oh dear, it's n00b-invasion time...

Doesn't seem to be nazis this year though.

y obviously

Whats with all the noobs?


Oh dear, it's n00b-invasion time...

Doesn't seem to be nazis this year though.

Is this really necessary?

*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...

*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...

I think we all are. *facepalm*

Those were the days. Just shoot those who cheat on tests, hang those who talk during the lesson, and behead those who don't do their homework.

That'd be very few students I'd have to teach. Like it.

Is this really necessary?

Absolutely.

Oh dear, it's n00b-invasion time...

Doesn't seem to be nazis this year though.

A n00b with 7000 posts? Impressive.

Absolutely.

Does someone's post count or join date negate what they are saying?

Does someone's post count or join date negate what they are saying?
Whats most hilarious is that the "noob" is older than the person qualifying the "noob" as such.

Whats most hilarious is that the "noob" is older than the person qualifying the "noob" as such.

That's really the only reason why I said anything. I've been lurking NSG since 2005 but rarely bother to post.

Those were the days. Just shoot those who cheat on tests, hang those who talk during the lesson, and behead those who don't do their homework.

That'd be very few students I'd have to teach. Like it.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Eventually, it would create the perfect school - no students.

Gosh, I should hope not!

What did the kiddlies do to deserve death?

A n00b with 7000 posts? Impressive.
Yup. Seems to have taken some effort.

Does someone's post count or join date negate what they are saying?
Nope. Nor is that what signifies the N00bishness in this case.

The content of the posts, however...

Yup. Seems to have taken some effort.


Nope. Nor is that what signifies the N00bishness in this case.

The content of the posts, however...

obviously the noob should be put to death after this quick arbitrary classification

Yup. Seems to have taken some effort.


Nope. Nor is that what signifies the N00bishness in this case.

The content of the posts, however...

So, you're telling me that you've never wanted to see the execution of any of your fellow students, when you were in school? I can think of a few assholes that I went to school with that would have benefitted from bringing capital punishment to schools. ;)

All I have to say is, if anyone else touched my kid, there would be hell to pay.
BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!

You have to admit that doesn't sound quite right when you read it aloud.

In my unprofessional opinion, this poll sucks at representing a good cross-section of NSG. I think facists of all nationalities would also vote yes for capital punishment in schools, not just Americans or Europeans.

So, you're telling me that you've never wanted to see the execution of any of your fellow students, when you were in school?
Yes, I could tell you that... Nor did I desire to see any of my teachers executed.

Strange, innit.

Yes, I could tell you that... Nor did I desire to see any of my teachers executed.

Strange, innit.

issit?

No.

I think facists of all nationalities
you mean socialists surely

you mean socialists surely
Fascists are socialists. Nationalist socialists.

you mean socialists surely

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. As this thread makes total sense, posts contained in it don't have to make sense either. Left. Chapstick. 10" Subwoofer. That is all.

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. As this thread makes total sense, posts contained in it don't have to make sense either. Left. Chapstick. 10" Subwoofer. That is all.
mhmm enlightenment

Fascists are socialists. Nationalist socialists.

omg rly??????????????????????????????

ty for calirifcaion

*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...

I think we all are. *facepalm*

Not me Its time those punks in high school learned some real respect. Executing the student with the lowest GPA every semester would also encourage better academic performance as well.

Yes or no?
you must have gone to a tough school!

omg rly??????????????????????????????

ty for calirifcaion
Hello, and welcome to NationStates General. I'd like to suggest that you attempt to compose your posts a little more clearly so that they require less interpretation to understand by your audience.

In response to your inquiry, yes, fascism incorporates elements of nationalism and socialism as well as authoritarianism and often, though not necessarily racism and racialism.

The easiest way to define fascism is by looking at where the word comes from. Fasces is an old latin word describing a bundle of sticks, often with an axe blade set within it and used by civic authorities for punishments. Fasces are used as a symbol even today to mean something along the lines of "strength through unity", which also happens to be the best way to sum up the political ideology of fascism though I would add that philosophy of fascism seems to amend this with "unity through strength" as it often seeks to establish a pervasive single-party state.

Again, welcome to NSG.

I admit I'm a bit torn. As a teacher I should say no to capital punishment in schools. But, to be honest, some days... with some students... Hanging seems to be too good fer 'em.

I admit I'm a bit torn. As a teacher I should say no to capital punishment in schools. But, to be honest, some days... with some students... Hanging seems to be too good fer 'em.
Surely they aren't as bad as myself and my classmates were to our HS english teacher. Once when she was in a foul mood for no reason and her back was turned someone slipped mustard packets into her instructor's edition (because she would often slam it on a desk in attempt to frighten us into obedience) and then we prodded her with misbehavior until she finally snapped. It was perfect. She looked just like a hotdog with her bright red face and yellow splattered everywhere else. Then she threw a chair at one of us.

All I have to say is, if anyone else touched my kid, there would be hell to pay.

Indeed, its natural that you need to compensate for school all the punishment related costs.

Death is not a cure for stupidity. We can hardly punish children for acting stupidly (FFS, they're just a bunch of stupid children) when the world is pretty much fucked up by adults, much less adults who call themselves "leaders" and yet, in spite of their crimes, continue to reign.

Death is not a cure for stupidity. We can hardly punish children for acting stupidly (FFS, they're just a bunch of stupid children) when the world is pretty much fucked up by adults, much less adults who call themselves "leaders" and yet, in spite of their crimes, continue to reign.

you knock off the first few kids for failing repetitively then the rest we learn to shut up and study their ass off.

Surely they aren't as bad as myself and my classmates were to our HS english teacher. Once when she was in a foul mood for no reason and her back was turned someone slipped mustard packets into her instructor's edition (because she would often slam it on a desk in attempt to frighten us into obedience) and then we prodded her with misbehavior until she finally snapped. It was perfect. She looked just like a hotdog with her bright red face and yellow splattered everywhere else. Then she threw a chair at one of us.
Haven't had a chance to get at my new kids yet, but my previous schools... yeah, there were. I think I'd take mustard over having a punch tossed at me.

Death is not a cure for stupidity. We can hardly punish children for acting stupidly (FFS, they're just a bunch of stupid children) when the world is pretty much fucked up by adults, much less adults who call themselves "leaders" and yet, in spite of their crimes, continue to reign.

Stupid adults are just grown children, there's really no difference between a tyrant and a toddler.

you knock off the first few kids for failing repetitively then the rest we learn to shut up and study their ass off.

Hardly makes the world a better place.

Stupid adults are just grown children, there's really no difference between a tyrant and a toddler.

Last time I looked, a toddler doesn't start wars or tries to commit genocide.

Reminds me of one of those poorly-phrased headlines:

Juvenile court to try shooting defendants

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Eventually, it would create the perfect school - no students.

Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.

Last time I looked, a toddler doesn't start wars or tries to commit genocide.

Toddlers don't have guns.

This is harsh, even for my standards.

Hardly makes the world a better place.

How is a world with less dumb asses not a better place ?

If the OP meant "corporal", then it's clear the OP doesn't know what they're talking about.

If the OP meant "capital", then it's clear the OP doesn't know what they're talking about.

Which of the two is it, OP?

Well, if you mean corporal :p

Ok ok I know you do.

Erm. okay, I think it could be reintroduced. And it probably should, well, it is needed in my secondary school :p , but it would have to be heavily heavily regulated. Maybe only used after parents have been notified, and in the most extreme of cases. It would definitely be better for the school. The current system in my school, is that the police are called the second there is trouble. It such waste of police time, as teachers legally cannot do anything or face the wrath of legislative red tape and the sue culture.

Removing the red tape and allowing teacher intervention would be a good enough move I think. I know sometimes in my school they just do it anyway but they always have to get a senior staff member in to sort it, or those who are lucky enough to be trained in this. (The training they offer teachers to deal with students its a good step as well) Besides, the police or PCSO are still called in.

Gosh, I should hope not!

What did the kiddlies do to deserve death?
Repeated tardiness, failure to adhere to the school dress codes, lack of due respect for the rights of others, and thinking that just because they can spell the word "antidisestablishmentarianism" is actually worth something. Yes, I know it was on the spelling test, that doesn't mean I want you to feel so smug about being the only one who got it right!
BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!
"He touched me in a bad place ... my spinal cord!"
Goddamned kids and their ability to survive repeated axe blows to the neck.

*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...

I dunno, I wouldn't mind if they bring back the Guillotine.

Gosh, I should hope not!

What did the kiddlies do to deserve death?

What about those who shoot up the schools?

Surely they aren't as bad as myself and my classmates were to our HS english teacher. Once when she was in a foul mood for no reason and her back was turned someone slipped mustard packets into her instructor's edition (because she would often slam it on a desk in attempt to frighten us into obedience) and then we prodded her with misbehavior until she finally snapped. It was perfect. She looked just like a hotdog with her bright red face and yellow splattered everywhere else. Then she threw a chair at one of us.

*laughs* Ahh, that is awesome. Good job!

As for me, if someone touches one of my kid without my permission, they'll learn a new meaning to "Where the sun doesn't shine."

Capital punishment, or corporal punishment?
*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...
I think we all are. *facepalm*

I hope it was on purpose.

I've long thought of posting a bunch on nonsense with a caveat buried somewhere in it to the effect that this is a reading comprehension experement to see how wells NSG reads.

I was caned at school, in fact I suspect I was among the last legally able to be caned, where it was only allowed in private schools with parental permission.

It does nothing in terms of deterrence, I imagine the only benefit is for the teacher to expel any frustration with difficult kids.

I'm not really for or against, since it doesn't have much effect, I suppose the default is to be against.

Yes or no?
Two problems.....

Capital punishment = death sentence, so NO!!!

Only Americans and Europeans are allowed to vote?

Some corporal punishment might be what is needed for some of todays spoiled brats.

Death is not a cure for stupidity. We can hardly punish children for acting stupidly (FFS, they're just a bunch of stupid children) when the world is pretty much fucked up by adults, much less adults who call themselves "leaders" and yet, in spite of their crimes, continue to reign.

Actually, death cures stupidity permanently.

To quote the great master:
Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. RAH

Those were the days. Just shoot those who cheat on tests, hang those who talk during the lesson, and behead those who don't do their homework.

That'd be very few students I'd have to teach. Like it.
Should Little Johnny receive capital punishment?

A teacher asks her class, ‘’If there are 5 birds sitting on a fence and you shoot one of them, how many will be left?’’ She calls on
Little Johnny.

‘’None, they all fly away with the first gunshot.’’

The teacher replies, ‘’The correct answer is 4, but I like your thinking.’’ Then Little Johnny says, ‘’I have a question for YOU. There are three women sitting on a bench having ice cream. One is delicately licking the sides of the triple scoop of ice cream. The second is gobbling down the top and sucking the cone. The third is biting off the top of the ice cream. Which one is married?’’

The teacher, blushing a great deal, replies, ‘’Well I suppose the one that’s gobbled down the top and sucked the cone.’’

‘’The correct answer is the one with the wedding ring on…but I like your thinking.’’:D

Well, several schools already have capital punishment as part of the disciplinary system. V-Tech and Columbine come to mind.

Well, several schools already have capital punishment as part of the disciplinary system. V-Tech and Columbine come to mind.

V-Tech outsourced that work to foreign Asian labor, if you haven't heard.

Well, several schools already have capital punishment as part of the disciplinary system. V-Tech and Columbine come to mind.

Eeeeeeh....

Fascists are socialists. Nationalist socialists.

Take a close look at the NSDAP's economic policies. They were Keynesian, not socialist. They used that label to draw actual socialists to back them instead of the Marxists, who they labeled as Jews.

Take a close look at the NSDAP's economic policies. They were Keynesian, not socialist. They used that label to draw actual socialists to back them instead of the Marxists, who they labeled as Jews.

I thought they labeled the Jews as Marxist.

Whats with all the noobs?
Oh dear, it's n00b-invasion time...

Doesn't seem to be nazis this year though.

Who's the noob?

I thought they labeled the Jews as Marxist.

It went both ways. All the Marxists were supposedly Jews, and the Jews were somehow simultaneously greedy bankers and Marxists (which, if any of the average Germans at the time had enough to eat to have the luxury to stop to think seriously about it, makes absolutely no sense).

Surely they aren't as bad as myself and my classmates were to our HS english teacher. Once when she was in a foul mood for no reason and her back was turned someone slipped mustard packets into her instructor's edition (because she would often slam it on a desk in attempt to frighten us into obedience) and then we prodded her with misbehavior until she finally snapped. It was perfect. She looked just like a hotdog with her bright red face and yellow splattered everywhere else. Then she threw a chair at one of us.

lol

Sounds like an english teacher we had, I wish we had thought of doing that. She just let the rage build up while we continued to do tiny shit that would anooy the hell out of her.

Only Americans and Europeans are allowed to vote?

Only Americans and Europeans are allowed to vote yes. *nod*

Yes or no?

I'm an American, and I feel that Capital Punishment should be federalized, and expanded.

I also think that the 'cruel and unusual punishment' clause should not include some standard means of execution, like the traditional public hanging, or other such means of execution which were rarely that cruel... and a lethal injection just doesn't seem much like a punishment.

Ok... the OP wasn't clear at all, and I didn't read enough posts to get it, I think that we should take raising children right to be a community effort, if my kid misbehaves, and I'm not there to lay down the law, then yeah, go for it.

It went both ways. All the Marxists were supposedly Jews, and the Jews were somehow simultaneously greedy bankers and Marxists (which, if any of the average Germans at the time had enough to eat to have the luxury to stop to think seriously about it, makes absolutely no sense).

They didn't have the time to think they were busy building the Autobahn.

I'm an American, and I feel that Capital Punishment should be federalized, and expanded.

I also think that the 'cruel and unusual punishment' clause should not include some standard means of execution, like the traditional public hanging, or other such means of execution which were rarely that cruel... and a lethal injection just doesn't seem much like a punishment.

I suppose your grounds for the death penalty have something to do with deterrent, correct?

They didn't have the time to think they were busy building the Autobahn.

And they were doing that so they'd have enough to eat; hence what I said.

*blink blink*

I'm hoping you meant "corporal"...

Of course not. I can think of some people in some of my classes who need to be executed.

And they were doing that so they'd have enough to eat; hence what I said.

Got to admit they built a lot of highway largely by hand.

I suppose your grounds for the death penalty have something to do with deterrent, correct?

As a side-effect, sure, but I feel that punishment shouldn't be handed out merely to deter others... but to punish those who deserve it.

Got to admit they built a lot of highway largely by hand.

Only rivaled in utility over time by Rome's roads. We still use some of them 2000 years after they were built.

The death penalty would be a better deterent if it happened more quickly than x number of year after the sentencing. But if we did that then people would complain that more innocents were being executed because they did not have the right to appeal.

As a side-effect, sure, but I feel that punishment shouldn't be handed out merely to deter others... but to punish those who deserve it.

For deterrent, the numbers are against that. The South as a region has the most executions of anywhere in the country. They also have the highest murder rate. (Source: Death Penalty Information Center)

As for those who supposedly deserve it, ponder this: "We kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong."

Best thread title ever.

For deterrent, the numbers are against that. The South as a region has the most executions of anywhere in the country. They also have the highest murder rate. (Source: Death Penalty Information Center)

As for those who supposedly deserve it, ponder this: "We kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong."

Nope, to show that murder is wrong. Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.

We don't kill to show that killing is wrong we kill for justice and fairness.

We don't kill to show that killing is wrong we kill for justice and fairness.

Sometimes I feel that crime can only be balanced by the death of the criminal, justice, being the focus.

We don't kill to show that killing is wrong we kill for justice and fairness.

If you killed for justice and fairness, you'd at least give the condemned a running start. ;)

I for one do not in any way shape or form support capital punishment in prisons, why would I support executing school children?

I for one do not in any way shape or form support capital punishment in prisons, why would I support executing school children?

Your soft on education.

If we had executed the dumbest in each class George W. bush would not have survived school much less become president.

If you killed for justice and fairness, you'd at least give the condemned a running start. ;)

This^

I have no problem with turning capital punishment into the ultimate reality TV... imagine the money that the gov't could rake in for tv advertisements? No one would ever have to pay taxes again! :tongue:

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be that opposed.

Your soft on education.

If we had executed the dumbest in each class George W. bush would not have survived school much less become president.

Neither would Albert Einstein (have survived school).

Neither would Albert Einstein (have survived school).

You know the whole Einstein failed math was a myth ?
He did get cut off from PhD world because he was not selected for a teaching post but that was because of politics, and him having these new theories the professors didn't like.

Not me Its time those punks in high school learned some real respect. Executing the student with the lowest GPA every semester would also encourage better academic performance as well.

Not only would it encourage better academic performance, but it would also weed out those with dumb genes out of the gene pool, improving the gene pool overall.

I think capital punishment in schools would be an excellent idea.

Dirty gypsies need to learn some gosh darned respect.

Racist.

We don't kill to show that killing is wrong we kill for justice and fairness.

And because the slow motion camera work, and the hyper-real blood spatters look cool.

No, 'cause you can't un-kill them, and I'd probably be sorry about... oh, at least a couple of them, later.

I didn't realise that we had capital punishment in schools in the first place. I don't recall anyone ever being guillotined for cheating on a test. I also didn't realise that Europe and America are the only 2 continents on Earth.

I didn't realise that we had capital punishment in schools in the first place. I don't recall anyone ever being guillotined for cheating on a test. I also didn't realise that Europe and America are the only 2 continents on Earth.

Of course they are the only two continents. I mean, there are other ones, but none that matter.

I'm wondering if the 'capital punishment' in the OP was a mistake, a test to see who was paying attention, or some weird kind of trolling.

I'm wondering if the 'capital punishment' in the OP was a mistake, a test to see who was paying attention, or some weird kind of trolling.

Or all 3?

V-Tech outsourced that work to foreign Asian labor, if you haven't heard.

Fucking globalism. Leave American murders for American workers, goddamnit!

As soon as I read this thread I thought of this poem we read at school years ago...

"The Lesson" by Roger McGough

Chaos ruled OK in the classroom
as bravely the teacher walked in
the nooligans ignored him
his voice was lost in the din

"The theme for today is violence
and homework will be set
I'm going to teach you a lesson
one that you'll never forget"

He picked on a boy who was shouting
and throttled him then and there
then garrotted the girl behind him
(the one with grotty hair)

Then sword in hand he hacked his way
between the chattering rows
"First come, first severed" he declared
"fingers, feet or toes"

He threw the sword at a latecomer
it struck with deadly aim
then pulling out a shotgun
he continued with his game

The first blast cleared the backrow
(where those who skive hang out)
they collapsed like rubber dinghies
when the plug's pulled out

"Please may I leave the room sir?"
a trembling vandal enquired
"Of course you may" said teacher
put the gun to his temple and fired

The Head popped a head round the doorway
to see why a din was being made
nodded understandingly
then tossed in a grenade

And when the ammo was well spent
with blood on every chair
Silence shuffled forward
with its hands up in the air

The teacher surveyed the carnage
the dying and the dead
He waggled a finger severely
"Now let that be a lesson" he said

I think we all are. *facepalm*I work in a school. 'Capital', definitely... ;)

you must have gone to a tough school!

I did. I was repeatedly killed for not handing in my homework on time!:D

Capital punishment? You mean deportation to your country's capital, or just a fine?

Of course they are the only two continents. I mean, there are other ones, but none that matter.

Are there even computers on other continents? :confused:

Nope, to show that murder is wrong. Murder is always killing, killing is not always murder.

Murder = Killing I do not like. Killing I do like = Fun!

I thought they labeled the Jews as Marxist.

When they spoke to capitalists, they did.
When they spoke to workers, they told them the Jews were capitalists.
When speaking to pro-capitalist workers, they told them the Jews were rich commies.
When speaking to mothers, they told them the Jews ate babies.

I'd guess they wouldn't even have been above claiming that the Jews were Protestants when speaking to Catholics, and vice-versa.

I can't see capital or punishment achieving much, really.

Sometimes I feel that crime can only be balanced by the death of the criminal, justice, being the focus.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." - Gandhi

When they spoke to capitalists, they did.
When they spoke to workers, they told them the Jews were capitalists.
When speaking to pro-capitalist workers, they told them the Jews were rich commies.
When speaking to mothers, they told them the Jews ate babies.

I'd guess they wouldn't even have been above claiming that the Jews were Protestants when speaking to Catholics, and vice-versa.

So something like Martin Luther was a Jew would not have been out of order then?

I thought it was corpral punishment. I thought capital was the death sentence.

I thought it was corpral punishment. I thought capital was the death sentence.

Aside from typos, you are correct.

Yes or no?

No.

now if he meant, Corporal punishment... no.

and why does the poll split the yes as to American/European and not the 'no'?

Aside from typos, you are correct.

Sorry, my keyboard is fucked.

Capital Punishment?

Depends on wether or not they put a bold face on the case. :tongue:

Sorry, my keyboard is fucked.

That sounds painful to cause.

That sounds painful to cause.

Must... resist... urge... to comment.... on this... Must... BLAH!!!!

Oh, I want to get beat up by my teacher! Or not.

Back in my day, a rascal kid would have had his head chopped off the second he insulted a professor. I say capital punishment should return to the classroom. o/ o/ o/

Although there have been times I am sure when teachers have wanted to put some of the little bastards up against the wall to face a firing squad, we have NEVER had capital punishment in school.... but corporal.

As for that -- I really don't believe that hitting a child is going to do much to convince him that learning is a good thing.

I find hanging would be the best form. And make all the others watch.

Every classroom needs an electric chair.

If you killed for justice and fairness, you'd at least give the condemned a running start. ;)

Now that you mention it that might be a good idea.

Although there have been times I am sure when teachers have wanted to put some of the little bastards up against the wall to face a firing squad, we have NEVER had capital punishment in school.... but corporal.

As for that -- I really don't believe that hitting a child is going to do much to convince him that learning is a good thing.

no, he meant CAPITAL punishment.

you know... it goes with Spelling Punishment, Grammar Punishment, Syntax Punishment... :D