NSG as a yard stick
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 12:00
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
Shadowbat
08-04-2009, 12:02
Depends on where ya go. Might be more liberals here because you get to choose to do things your own way with your country and say what you want.
Im an Anarcho-communist myself which go hand in hand with liberals ;) Look up Afed.
Dumb Ideologies
08-04-2009, 12:04
No. But we can conclude that the majority of teenagers and the unemployed (those who have time to faff around on NSG) are liberal.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 12:04
Depends on where ya go. Might be more liberals here because you get to choose to do things your own way with your country and say what you want.
Im an Anarcho-communist myself which go hand in hand with liberals ;) Look up Afed.
I'm talking really about the prevalance of Liberal ideas discussed here and what we can infer from that about the political leanings world wide.
I mean we do have many nations (real ones I mean)here.
Shadowbat
08-04-2009, 12:05
good point and id have to agree with DI mainly :)
Ring of Isengard
08-04-2009, 12:10
No. But we can conclude that the majority of teenagers and the unemployed (those who have time to faff around on NSG) are liberal.
I'm both, and I ain't liberal.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 12:10
I'm both, and I ain't liberal.
And I'm neither and I am.
Shadowbat
08-04-2009, 12:12
be a liberal, we have cookies ^^
No Names Left Damn It
08-04-2009, 12:13
Nope. Look at Japan. Ultra conservative.
Sapient Cephalopods
08-04-2009, 12:14
I'm both, and I ain't liberal.
While I'm fully employeed and well past my teens, and many would say I'm liberal.
Blouman Empire
08-04-2009, 12:18
I'm liberal in my country that is to say liberal as opposed to Liberal but then I would be considered right wing.
Nope. Look at Japan. Ultra conservative.
Yet tentacle Hentai. Que Pasa?
The_pantless_hero
08-04-2009, 13:08
No. But we can conclude that the majority of teenagers and the unemployed (those who have time to faff around on NSG) are liberal.
Hardly.
1) Any non anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion, pro-GUNSSSSS sentiment is decried as LIBERAL BIAS!!!11!1! It's a load of shit.
2) All those people have their own forums because they love circle jerks - stormfront, gun nut forums (no, I will not stop calling them gun nuts until they stop being them), christian forums and other forums that cater to the paranoid and morally "superior."
Compared to the standard American dipshit, every country but Russia and Islamic dictatorships are liberal. And those exemptions happen to be teh evil, imagine that. America is run by idiots who like to jump up and down and scream "liberal bias" when they are the ones being given the microphone to shout it while people with actual liberal leanings arn't given the time of day.
Bokkiwokki
08-04-2009, 13:12
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
Only if you define the developed world as "those countries whose population is by majority liberal".
The Alma Mater
08-04-2009, 13:18
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
No. Just that US politics is clustered on a very small section of the polictical spectrum, and tends to dump other views on the liberal heap.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 13:19
Only if you define the developed world as "those countries whose population is by majority liberal".
Now I mean those contries developed enough to have t'net and use NSG. I mean how far can we take the mostly Liberal attitudes prevalent here, and infer from that the amount of Liberal minded people in each country represented here?
Rambhutan
08-04-2009, 13:21
Yet tentacle Hentai. Que Pasa?
Well tentacle hentai goes back to at least 1820
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife
so that is pretty conservative
Bokkiwokki
08-04-2009, 13:26
Now I mean those contries developed enough to have t'net and use NSG. I mean how far can we take the mostly Liberal attitudes prevalent here, and infer from that the amount of Liberal minded people in each country represented here?
Well, to counter your question (annoying, innit?):
the Amish live in a country that you probably would count as part of the "developed world"; how many Amish will you find on NSG?
Brutland and Norden
08-04-2009, 13:28
I do not live in that so-called developed world.
Well tentacle hentai goes back to at least 1820
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife
so that is pretty conservative
Holy Clam Diving Octopi Batman.....
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 13:47
Well, to counter your question (annoying, innit?):
the Amish live in a country that you probably would count as part of the "developed world"; how many Amish will you find on NSG?
I refer you to my post which you quoted, specificaly the '...t'net and use NSG' bit.:D
Bokkiwokki
08-04-2009, 13:54
I refer you to my post which you quoted, specificaly the '...t'net and use NSG' bit.:D
Ah, so you already know that NSG is not representative for the populace of country, and therefore no inference is possible. I couldn't have guessed... :p
Truly Blessed
08-04-2009, 13:56
Liberals speak up more. Conservatives are busy making money. This forum is somewhat of an anomaly. I never seen a forum this far to left. In fact it may be one sided. It is also very popular to be liberal at the moment.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 13:57
Ah, so you already know that NSG is not representative for the populace of country, and therefore no inference is possible. I couldn't have guessed... :p
No I don't know, which is why I ask.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 14:00
Liberals speak up more. Conservatives are busy making money. This forum is somewhat of an anomaly. I never seen a forum this far to left. In fact it may be one sided. It is also very popular to be liberal at the moment.
Then I invite you to join the google group 'Minds Eye'
The Alma Mater
08-04-2009, 14:03
Liberals speak up more. Conservatives are busy making money. This forum is somewhat of an anomaly. I never seen a forum this far to left. In fact it may be one sided. It is also very popular to be liberal at the moment.
This forum is quite "centrist" actually, if one insists on using a 2 dimensional model.
Bokkiwokki
08-04-2009, 14:04
No I don't know, which is why I ask.
Yes you do, or you couldn't have formulated your response referring me to the quoted part of your post I responded to and... well...
I refer you to my post which you quoted, specificaly the '...t'net and use NSG' bit. this.
Truly Blessed
08-04-2009, 14:18
Hardly.
1) Any non anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion, pro-GUNSSSSS sentiment is decried as LIBERAL BIAS!!!11!1! It's a load of shit.
2) All those people have their own forums because they love circle jerks - stormfront, gun nut forums (no, I will not stop calling them gun nuts until they stop being them), christian forums and other forums that cater to the paranoid and morally "superior."
Compared to the standard American dipshit, every country but Russia and Islamic dictatorships are liberal. And those exemptions happen to be teh evil, imagine that. America is run by idiots who like to jump up and down and scream "liberal bias" when they are the ones being given the microphone to shout it while people with actual liberal leanings arn't given the time of day.
Gun nuts are okay so long as they are not shooting at humans. Everyone needs a hobby. Some people like cars, some people like boats, some people like motorcycles, these people like guns, why because they are very powerful and make you feel like you are in control. Even though the majority have never even shot at a living thing far less a human. To lump these guy in with the various Militia type websites is a mistake. Those guys are scary and we should watch them because they are dangerous. That does not necessarily make them conservative either that make them wacko. Stormfront is flat out Racist there are no two ways about. These again are not representative of "normal conservatives". I hate being lumped in with the Klan and all those groups.
Even most of the spokespeople
Rush = I can't stand him
Ann Coulter = no
G Gordon Liddy = In his day maybe but now? I did like his mustache.
That leaves Fox News and the like which most days I can't stand either. Maybe I am too far to the center who knows.
The other side has there sites to which are just as annoying.
Free Soviets
08-04-2009, 16:18
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
not much, given the self-selecting nature of the place. but it does tend to support other data which imply that educated, computer literate, young-ish adults skew leftward compared to old people and therefore the world of the future is doomed!!!
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
Only if indifference counts as liberal...
...which it techincally does :tongue:
The Parkus Empire
08-04-2009, 16:32
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
This is not a good indicator of the developed world's political or religious leanings. More than half the Americans here are atheists, but 85% of America is Christian. Nearly every American here is pro-same-sex marriage, but California, a very liberal state by U.S. standards, voted against it.
Sapient Cephalopods
08-04-2009, 16:39
Nope. Look at Japan. Ultra conservative.
If Japan, where the Japanese Communist Party actually hold a fair number of seats in the national Diet, is "ultra conservative", what does that make the US?
This forum is quite "centrist" actually, if one insists on using a 2 dimensional model.
Indeed.
not much, given the self-selecting nature of the place. but it does tend to support other data which imply that educated, computer literate, young-ish adults skew leftward compared to old people and therefore the world of the future is doomed!!!
We really need to revamp the tired "left-right" model of politics.
Free Soviets
08-04-2009, 16:51
This is not a good indicator of the developed world's political or religious leanings. More than half the Americans here are atheists, but 85% of America is Christian. Nearly every American here is pro-same-sex marriage, but California, a very liberal state by U.S. standards, voted against it.
though much of this can again be accounted for by demographic factors. the 18-29 cohort in USia is about 10 points less religious than the population at large (and pew actually put it at 78% christian for the whole pop). and it goes similarly for education. we're still at the high end of secularity, but that probably goes down to what sort of place this is attracting a certain sort of person from the already most secular part of the USian public.
likewise, the 18-29 cohort in cali went 61% against prop 8, with the 18-24ers going 64% against.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 17:08
This is not a good indicator of the developed world's political or religious leanings. More than half the Americans here are atheists, but 85% of America is Christian. Nearly every American here is pro-same-sex marriage, but California, a very liberal state by U.S. standards, voted against it.
Ahhh yes, good call.
I know declare this thread closed!:D
Brutland and Norden
08-04-2009, 17:12
Ahhh yes, good call.
I know declare this thread closed!:D
*still posts*
Free Soviets
08-04-2009, 17:16
We really need to revamp the tired "left-right" model of politics.
to some extent, yeah, when what we need is precision. but most of the time it works well enough for what we need it to do.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 17:29
*still posts*
Damn you!:eek:
Brutland and Norden
08-04-2009, 17:40
Damn you!:eek:
MUWAHAHAHAHAhA!!! :p
The Black Forrest
08-04-2009, 17:53
I'm both, and I ain't liberal.
"ain't" is part of the Queens English?
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 17:55
"ain't" is part of the Queens English?
Sure is!
The Black Forrest
08-04-2009, 17:58
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
Liberal Bias? Such a trite phrase.
It would probably be more correct to suggest people tend to be liberal but even that is not correct as the definition of a liberal is different in other countries.
NSG is no measure to the real world. If it was, I would have been burned at the stake in other countries when considering some of the views of Americans espoused here.
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 18:25
Liberal Bias? Such a trite phrase.
It would probably be more correct to suggest people tend to be liberal but even that is not correct as the definition of a liberal is different in other countries.
NSG is no measure to the real world. If it was, I would have been burned at the stake in other countries when considering some of the views of Americans espoused here.
Liberal bias, a trite phrase? Well I guess it may well be, yet it still says what I mean huh.
Hydesland
08-04-2009, 18:27
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
Nah
Peepelonia
08-04-2009, 18:28
Nah
I agree, thanks to that magnificent Parkus fella(woman?) an error in my logic has been corrected.:D
VirginiaCooper
08-04-2009, 20:33
We can conclude that the majority of people who frequent this particular forum and post are liberal. Don't extrapolate!
Flammable Ice
08-04-2009, 20:42
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?
We can infer that reducing the complexity of politics to "liberal" and "conservative" is a gross oversimplification.
Jello Biafra
08-04-2009, 20:45
It seems that we have an overwhelming Libral bias here on NSG. Which makes me wonder what that shows about the politics of the masses in places where-ever NSG is used.
Can we correctly infer then that the majority of people in the developed world are politicaly Liberal?It seems to be the case that the majority is liberal, yes, but not quite to the degree that NSG is. Free Soviets' explanation of demographics seems the most plausible.
The Alma Mater
08-04-2009, 21:00
We can conclude that the majority of people who frequent this particular forum and post are liberal. Don't extrapolate!
"Liberal" according to some, a label not necessarily corresponding to the opinion of the people counted as such themselves.
The Babbage Islands
08-04-2009, 21:09
Liberal is such an ambiguous word in modern political discourse as to render the whole concept behind the original post meaningless. I do suspect that some of the demographic information available about the community may explain any differences that may exist between NSG posters and the world as a whole.
I doubt that this community is representative of anything in particular,
This is not a good indicator of the developed world's political or religious leanings. More than half the Americans here are atheists, but 85% of America is Christian. Nearly every American here is pro-same-sex marriage, but California, a very liberal state by U.S. standards, voted against it.
Yeah, but California was the second US state to legalize gay marriage. Don't think that just because the homophobe crowd got a few thousand more votes to rewrite the Constitution to reverse the legalization doesn't change that and doesn't mean that suddenly California is not a liberal state.