NationStates Jolt Archive

There has been a lot of talk about homosexual marriage recently due to Vermont and Iowa legalizing it. So: same-sex marriage YAY or NAY?

No, the word you are looking for is GAY.

Yay, same-sex marriage!

Aren't same-sex marriage and gay marriage the same?

Think of the children!

A definite yes.

Think of the children!

I keep doing that but for some reason my opinion doesn't magically change to that of a rabid homosexual marriage opposer. What am I doing wrong:confused:

Think of the children!

I vote Yay, and why should I? What have children done for me?

I keep doing that but for some reason my opinion doesn't magically change to that of a rabid homosexual marriage opposer. What am I doing wrong:confused:

You're not picturing homosexuals as child molesters who'll also turn your children gay, or lesbian gym teachers who'd watch your little daughter in the showers. :tongue:

Aren't same-sex marriage and gay marriage the same?

No. Gay marriage is totally gay. Same-sex marriage is sexy.

When I think of them, it makes me want to vote 'yay' because not all of the children in the world are heterosexual. Some are homosexual, bisexual, transexual, asexual, or some other variation. It is only fair that they all have equal rights to look forward to upon reaching age of majority.

noted.

It should be allowed. How allowing a same-sex couple to sign a piece of paper that (in the United States, anyway) grants 1138 specific rights at the federal level (source: GAO 2003 report on the subject) and more at the state level has anything to do with religion is beyond me.

No. Gay marriage is totally gay. Same-sex marriage is sexy.

noted

Anyone against gay marriage?

I keep doing that but for some reason my opinion doesn't magically change to that of a rabid homosexual marriage opposer.

You should be against it. Read the Bible...

Anyone against gay marriage?

Try New Mitiani. Don't expect his arguments to hold water though.

Anyone against gay marriage?

I'm against heterosexual marriage. *nods*

Don't do it! I live in Boston, and I can tell you that it started raining fire and brimstone the moment gay marriage became legal in Massachusetts.

Here's a photo of Boston, taken just two weeks ago, that proves it!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/John_Martin_-_Sodom_and_Gomorrah.jpg

Sure.

My light hearted trolling aside, I voted yay.

You should be against it. Read the Bible...

What a compelling arguement!

or lesbian gym teachers who'd watch your little daughter in the showers. :tongue:

Gays should have separate gyms.

What a compelling arguement!

Well in a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion is imposed on everybody. that is why there is only one religion...

Anyone against gay marriage?

Yeah me! Marriage should be suffering, no gayiety allowed!:D

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jLmX_8LH3uo/SGUbl_mwB3I/AAAAAAAACac/4DT_vvJi-Q8/s400/Attack+of+Gay+Agenda.JPG

Leave us alone you queers!

Well in a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion is imposed on everybody. that is why there is only one religion...

->

RP forums are that way.

You should be against it. Read the Bible...

Last time I checked, the Christian faith does not have a monopoly on marriage.
In fact, the many legal and financial rights associated with marriage are not even conveyed by the Christian faith - but by the state.

Well in a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion is imposed on everybody. that is why there is only one religion...

What country do you live in that is a theocracy?

Well in a theocracy like ours

Like who's?

Like who's?

Iran?

The bible was written by God, who are you to question it?

The bible was written by God, who are you to question it?

Someone who doesnt believe in God. Yay me!

The bible was written by God, who are you to question it?

Great, here comes a Heikoku "I AM GOD" post.

The bible was written by God, who are you to question it?

Actually, it was penned by a variety of authors over a period of hundreds of years.

Well I am right and you all know it.

The bible was written by God, who are you to question it?

The follower of a better god ?

Well I am right and you all know it.

No, you are not.

Someone who doesnt believe in God. Yay me!

Just take a look at his work; I would edit it a bit before I published it, but it is not half-bad.

Well I am right and you all know it.

Well, Im convinced.

Well I am right and you all know it.

I bow to your superior intellect.

Just take a look at his work; I would edit it a bit before I published it, but it is not half-bad.

Theres some good bits but that entire Leviticus chapter needed cut...

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/wind-up-lamp01.jpg

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

Well I am right and you all know it.

Either this guy's trolling or he's bullshitting. I'm guessing the latter.
(I wish I had that funny flag animation with B.S. written on it. I think LG posted it.)

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/wind-up-lamp01.jpg

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

Who did you wind up?


Youre not a very good troll. Back to troll school for you!

No, you are not.

He's clearly joking, why has no-one clocked onto this yet?

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/wind-up-lamp01.jpg

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

Yep. Thought so.

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/wind-up-lamp01.jpg

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

LOL I AM A TROLL I ARE SO FUNNY.

Here's hoping this thread gets locked and your nation gets deleted.

He's clearly joking, why has no-one clocked onto this yet?

We all either assumed he was joking or a bad troll. Really, its not like he really got a rise out of anyone.

It was a joke sheesh. It is because I saw this youtube vid and it made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

One round of counter-arguments and you give up?

Is this what passes for trolling these days?

One round of counter-arguments and you give up?

Is this what passes for trolling these days?

I am new to the forums.

*bows down to superior trolls*

It was a joke sheesh. It is because I saw this youtube vid and it made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

You just saw that video/heard those jokes?

Are you new to the internet?

Here's hoping this thread gets locked and your nation gets deleted.

Slightly harsh, no?

You just saw that video/heard those jokes?

Are you new to the internet?

Yes actually. lol

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/wind-up-lamp01.jpg

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

I already knew you were joking, because there is of yet not a single "Nay" vote.

Edit: Brilliant video.

I olike this forums very much. No homophobes.

Slightly harsh, no?

This is why you shouldn't mess with NSG. ;)

Slightly harsh, no?

Not in the slightest.

Well it's been fun winding you all up.

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

I'll take that as an admission of trolling, and not just an opinion. It is neither funny nor acceptable behaviour. I do not give a damn if you weren't serious. Deliberately seeking a certain type of response is trolling. WARNED.

Well it's been fun winding you all up.
*imageleechsnip*

By the way I cannot believe that none of you guessed it was a wind up :P
*wipes tears away from laughing too much*

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o

That was a pretty awful attempt at trolling. Even ignoring the short duration and the whole "I got you good" gloating, it was bad.

I olike this forums very much. No homophobes.

There's a couple.

I olike this forums very much. No homophobes.

I am I hate Homs. I quite like tents but homs, grrr!

No homophobes.

Oh no. Theyre here. They'll come out of the woodwork soon enough.

Something I just discovered; Louisiana, not satisfied with amending its constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage and all other forms same-sex union, went a step further and created something called "covenant marriages", a kind of conservative ultramarriage that's harder to get out of (at least in states that recognise covenant marriages). It is, at least, opt-in, and you can still marry normally (providing your partner is of the opposite sex, of course).

It is, at least, opt-in, and you can still marry normally

Whats sad is this is the only part that suprises me.

Think of the children!

I do, including the children who have homosexual parents and are currently less protected by the law because of it.

=)

Apparently I have offended some members of this forum. I wish to stay and respect this forum, and I now realize that my actions were unacceptable. I was not trying to upset you, but my apoligies if I did.

Something I just discovered; Louisiana, not satisfied with amending its constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage and all other forms same-sex union, went a step further and created something called "covenant marriages", a kind of conservative ultramarriage that's harder to get out of (at least in states that recognise covenant marriages). It is, at least, opt-in, and you can still marry normally (providing your partner is of the opposite sex, of course).

I wonder how many of the people who pushed that bill through signed up?

Do you remember last year when the only candidate for the Republican nomination who had not been married more than once was the Mormon?

I olike this forums very much. No homophobes.

There a some, like two or three.

Apparently I have offended some members of this forum. I wish to stay and respect this forum, and I now realize that my actions were unacceptable. I was not trying to upset you, but my apoligies if I did.

I have been posting here to long to be offended. :tongue: Just make sure you do not say any thing having to do with a shallow collection of water, or someone will have your ass.

Just make sure you do not say any thing having to do with a shallow collection of water, or someone will have your ass.

A shallow collection of water?

Something I just discovered; Louisiana, not satisfied with amending its constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage and all other forms same-sex union, went a step further and created something called "covenant marriages", a kind of conservative ultramarriage that's harder to get out of (at least in states that recognise covenant marriages). It is, at least, opt-in, and you can still marry normally (providing your partner is of the opposite sex, of course).

Ok, so since I have a morbid sense of curiosity, what are the grounds that will allow you to get out of a Covenant Marriage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage

Abuse, felony with jail time, or adultery. Essentially removing the whole irreconcilible differences from the table. Find out your husband is a colossal prick, and lazy to boot? Better cheat on him.

A shallow collection of water?

It's a 'puddle'; a collection of water on the ground following rain fall, for example.

Ok, so since I have a morbid sense of curiosity, what are the grounds that will allow you to get out of a Covenant Marriage?

Adultery, being convicted of a felony with jail time or abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage

Basically, anything that would be considered "fault" grounds in a regular divorce.

Abuse, felony with jail time, or adultery. Essentially removing the whole irreconcilible differences from the table. Find out your husband is a colossal prick, and lazy to boot? Better cheat on him.

Just don't have the partner in on it otherwise you could be found guilty of connivance. And don't forgive abuse then try and use it as grounds, because then you've got to deal with the possibility that the judge will find that you're in condonation of the action.

"Cause for divorce is typically limited to abuse, a felony with jail time, or adultery" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage)

Basically it's a legally enforced ideological stand against no-fault divorce.

I have been posting here to long to be offended. :tongue: Just make sure you do not say any thing having to do with a shallow collection of water, or someone will have your ass.

Epic lols.

Well I might as well try and put this thread to good use by changing the subject to gay divorce. In the UK a civil partnership cannot take place on the grounds of adultery because there is a legal anomaly that gay and lesbian sex is not counted as adultery. Well at least according to a divorce lawyer of my acquaintance. Seems a bit of a Clinton argument about what counts as sex...

Well I might as well try and put this thread to good use by changing the subject to gay divorce. In the UK a civil partnership cannot take place on the grounds of adultery because there is a legal anomaly that gay and lesbian sex is not counted as adultery. Well at least according to a divorce lawyer of my acquaintance. Seems a bit of a Clinton argument about what counts as sex...

Sex is what straight people do. Gay people make sin, not love.

It's a 'puddle'; a collection of water on the ground following rain fall, for example.

Oh, but why did he say for me not to mention it?

Just make sure you do not say any thing having to do with a shallow collection of water, or someone will have your ass.

Anyone against gay marriage?

I don't understand why anyone would be against happy marriages, or isn't the meaning of gay happy? :)

Well I might as well try and put this thread to good use by changing the subject to gay divorce. In the UK a civil partnership cannot take place on the grounds of adultery because there is a legal anomaly that gay and lesbian sex is not counted as adultery. Well at least according to a divorce lawyer of my acquaintance. Seems a bit of a Clinton argument about what counts as sex...

The grounds of divorce should be the same for gay couples and heterosexual couples.

Oh, but why did he say for me not to mention it?

It was conjured up as a nickname for another poster here who has taken offense to its use. It was a word of caution to use the term puddle in context of its dictionary definition.

I don't understand why anyone would be against happy marriages, or isn't the meaning of gay happy? :)

It was 60 years ago. Not sure when it changed.

If I was against gay marriage, looking at that poll, I'm not sure I would actually have the balls to vote no. :P

Anyone against gay marriage?

Nope, why would I be- it doesn't affect me.

Nope, why would I be- it doesn't affect me.

By that logic you would not be against the Chinese occupation of Tibet? however, gay marriage does not hurt anyone, the Chinese do hurt Tibetans.

By that logic you would not be against the Chinese occupation of Tibet? however, gay marriage does not hurt anyone, the Chinese do hurt Tibetans.
I'm not bothered about Tibet. I'm English, not Tibetan.

I wonder how many of the people who pushed that bill through signed up?

Do you remember last year when the only candidate for the Republican nomination who had not been married more than once was the Mormon?

In GA, an addition to the gay marriage amendment that would have outlawed adultery (and, IIRC, made it a felony) very nearly passed. Granted, the Dems voted for it to try and make the amendment look ridiculous, but a lot of the Republicans did too. I wonder how many of them have cheated before.

In the UK a civil partnership cannot [be dissolved, edit] on the grounds of adultery because there is a legal anomaly that gay and lesbian sex is not counted as adultery.
So to get out of it, one of us would have to sleep with a woman? Icky!

In GA, an addition to the gay marriage amendment that would have outlawed adultery (and, IIRC, made it a felony) very nearly passed. Granted, the Dems voted for it to try and make the amendment look ridiculous, but a lot of the Republicans did too. I wonder how many of them have cheated before.

I wonder, indeed.

The Dems ought to have added amendments to the bill invalidating marriages that do not produce offspring within a specified period of time, too. And making lusting in one's heart at least a misdemeanor.

Oh, kind of like the law in G & S's The Mikado that declared flirting a capital crime. :D

I'm the only Nay! Woot.

I'm the only Nay! Woot.

And you voted no ... just for woots?

I'm the only Nay! Woot.

It's not something to be proud of.

And you voted no ... just for woots?
Yup.

Yup.

:rolleyes: Okay ... lol ... just checking.

You should be against it. Read the Bible...
you mean like the part that says "judge not lest ye be judged"?

you mean like the part that says "judge not lest ye be judged"?

No, like the part in my sig.

No, like the part in my sig.

*rimshot (http://www.instantrimshot.com)* :D

No, like the part in my sig.
lol

ya ya that one too.

Don't care. Gay marriage is not an issue I concern myself with. Same with abortion.

I truely don't support or endorse homosexuality. I don't see how it came to be either. I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple. I grew up knowing people marry into man & woman relationships.

But if the world comes to this, what can you do?

I truely don't support or endorse homosexuality. I don't see how it came to be either. I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple. I grew up knowing people marry into man & woman relationships.

But if the world comes to this, what can you do?

Wow, deja vu.

I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple.
Ancient Greece.

I truely don't support or endorse homosexuality. I don't see how it came to be either. I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple.

The Tale of Genji.

In this period, Europeans tended to kill homosexuals and burn any writing concerning them, so your findings are not so surprising.

Ancient Greece.

Between ancient times and the 19th century.

Don't care. Gay marriage is not an issue I concern myself with. Same with abortion.
So does that mean that you don't care about basic civil rights, as long as they don't directly adversely affect you?

So does that mean that you don't care about basic civil rights, as long as they don't directly adversely affect you?

He claims to be a fan of Pinochet; he only cares about the economy.

He claims to be a fan of Pinochet; he only cares about the economy.

Truly, the Internet is a strange and frightening Place.

So does that mean that you don't care about basic civil rights, as long as they don't directly adversely affect you?
Es ist mir nicht wichtig. Die Schwulen sind nicht bedrückt. Sie können alles was wir können; wählen, reisen, reden. Wenn sie was noch wollen, ist es ok, aber nicht mein Problem.
He claims to be a fan of Pinochet; he only cares about the economy.
Nonsense. Foreign policy is important too.:)

Es ist mir nicht wichtig. Die Schwulen sind nicht bedrückt. Sie können alles was wir können; wählen, reisen, reden. Wenn sie was noch wollen, ist es ok, aber nicht mein Problem.

Es ist richtig, Sie sind nicht im Büro. Neben dem, was gut funktioniert eine Stellungnahme tun?

Nonsense. Foreign policy is important too.:)

For disposing of leaders who damage their economies?

Truly, the Internet is a strange and frightening Place.

Yup.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1E6k5Lybzzw/SK26DsYRugI/AAAAAAAAANU/jo1zV68Plfc/s400/august2009.jpg

Es ist mir nicht wichtig. Die Schwulen sind nicht bedrückt. Sie können alles was wir können; wählen, reisen, reden. Wenn sie was noch wollen, ist es ok, aber nicht mein Problem.

Nonsense. Foreign policy is important too.:)
So your argument is that Homosexuals are already equal?
Any specific reason why you try to answer in German instead of English?

So your argument is that Homosexuals are already equal?
Any specific reason why you try to answer in German instead of English?

No, his argument is that he does not give a flying-fuck.

Any specific reason why you try to answer in German instead of English?
Because of your cute little Swiss name. ;)
For disposing of leaders who damage their economies?
Don't make this too easy for me, please. :p

As long as people are above the age of consent, I really don't care who they get it on with and where. Even if I did think homosexuality was immoral (I don't), I wouldn't make myself moral policeman for the bedrooms of the world.

But, c'est la vie. Here in the states, all our politicians are too afraid to challenge the status quo. More liberals than conservatives support gay rights, but no liberal leader has ever taken a stance to improve the lot of gays, except in the military, where they can now die IF they're in the closet. Still, the only thing Republicans CAN do is mess with the marriage laws, which doesn't stop the humping.

Then again, they may need to change their policies if a few more homosexual bishops turn up.

Marriage should be between a male and a female, just like God wants it to be. Oh wait, I'm a Communist, I don't believe in God. So, nevermind. Let two men or two women marry!

I truely don't support or endorse homosexuality. I don't see how it came to be either. I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple. I grew up knowing people marry into man & woman relationships.

But if the world comes to this, what can you do?

The Bible, specifically David and Jonathan.

Marriage should be between a male and a female, just like God wants it to be. Oh wait, I'm a Communist, I don't believe in God. So, nevermind. Let two men or two women marry!

That would be the best first post ever--but I think you are puppet. So sad. :(

That would be the best first post ever--but I think you are puppet. So sad. :(

Yea, honestly, I'm trying to rack up my post count so that I can hit the "4 posts" level, so that I can post pics in new threads.

That would be the best first post ever--but I think you are puppet. So sad. :(

Now, now, the fact that someone thinks that it works as an attack on communism is pretty great.

Same sex marriage? oh you mean gay marriage?! HERESY!!! :mad:

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Yea, honestly, I'm trying to rack up my post count so that I can hit the "4 posts" level, so that I can post pics in new threads.
Seeing the thread you are posting in to achieve this goal, I'm starting to be concerned that the pics are going to be very disturbing.

. I have never read anything that was based between Ancient times to the 19-century with a homosexual couple

Harmodius and Aristogeiton: the Original Freedom-Fighters.

Same sex marriage? oh you mean gay marriage?! HERESY!!! :mad:

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Because teaching children that love and tolerance of all people under the sun is such a stain on the moral culture of this country... :[[[

Boo...

Does allowing gay marriage neccesarily (sp?) mean legalizing LGBT adoption?

Does allowing gay marriage neccesarily (sp?) mean legalizing LGBT adoption?

No, but it should.

No, but it should.

Agreed but it refutes the "think of the children" argument.

Agreed but it refutes the "think of the children" argument.

The "think of the children" argument is a load of crap anyways.

Yup.

*snip*

:eek: :gundge:

The "think of the children" argument is a load of crap anyways.

It would be very easy to use that argument to support same sex marriage. After all, the few generations have fought for different rights so their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren (etc)... could vote, run for office, go to mixed-race schools, protest together, express themselves freely, have control over their own sexual reproduction, be able to make their own religious choices. The list goes on.

Same sex marriage? oh you mean gay marriage?! HERESY!!! :mad:

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

*wishes he had Lunatic Goofballs's B.S. flag* :p
(In plain English: I call bullshitting.)

The "think of the children" argument is a load of crap anyways.

I always think of the children being raised by homosexual couples in which one parent (a) has no legal authority in raising the child and (b) is not held to any legal responsibilities if the couple breaks up.

Seems to me that those children need protecting too, don't they? Maybe we should legally recognize their parents the same way we would if one of them happened to be the opposite sex.

Same sex marriage? oh you mean gay marriage?! HERESY!!! :mad:

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Yea the whole purpose of marriage (http://www.tshirttakeaway.com/_images_tshirts/artist_tshirts/lo/front/233.png).

I'm confused by the poll options. I'm in favor of same-sex marriage for others, but I personally will abstain from it.

I'm confused by the poll options. I'm in favor of same-sex marriage for others, but I personally will abstain from it.

Honey, you are amissing out.

*Gheys CS*

In response to the thread... the progression towards acceptance of gay marriage in the US is simply fantastic. I love you guys lately. Now if we can just get the impetus for it here...

absolutely yah. society NEEDS for individuals to have sexual release to counteract excessive levels of ambient aggressiveness (which make the world a more brutal and dangerous place). but it SERIOUSLY does not need, for the human species to survive it seriously needs a reversal of instead, any more increase in human population.

gay merrage is one of the very few nondraconian means of meeting both these real and pressing needs.

to oppose it under today's conditions in today's world is totally illogical, irrational, and absolutely down right irresponsible.

Oh my gosh this is the most extremely pro-gay marriage crowd I have ever even heard of.

Anyone against gay marriage?

Me. 100%

Oh my gosh this is the most extremely pro-gay marriage crowd I have ever even heard of.

You say it as if it's a bad thing.

Me. 100%

why?

why?

Cuz teh gays will make us all atheist communist-loving anti american terrorists. Obviously. That, or just plain bigotry.

Oh my gosh this is the most extremely pro-gay marriage crowd I have ever even heard of.

We are a forum of crazy ass, batshit insane, America-hating pinkos.

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/liberals-gun-moral-poster-liberal-demotivational-poster-view.jpg

Oh my gosh this is the most extremely pro-gay marriage crowd I have ever even heard of.

Maybe there is a correlation between intelligence and political leanings, after all?

Maybe there is a correlation between intelligence and political leanings, after all?

Was that ever in doubt? :confused:

Was that ever in doubt? :confused:

Erring on the side of caution, maybe. I know a very conservative girl who steadfastly opposes things like gay marriage, and the right to choose... but she's an engineer.

But, it certainly looks like, the more educated you get (in general) the less you care to fuck other people around. Statistically.

(And, yes, I appreciate that education and intelligence aren't necessarily linked).

Erring on the side of caution, maybe. I know a very conservative girl who steadfastly opposes things like gay marriage, and the right to choose... but she's an engineer.

I am talking on average. I believe liberal-atheists tend to be more intelligent than conservative-Christians.

But, it certainly looks like, the more educated you get (in general) the less you care to fuck other people around. Statistically.

Yes. If everyone was well-educated, this country would be sublime.

(And, yes, I appreciate that education and intelligence aren't necessarily linked).

I believe part of intelligence is the ability to learn--of course, if one is never taught certain things, than there would not be a proper correlation between intelligence and knowledge, which is what allows racists to call certain groups inherently stupid. Damn Ayn Rand and her "wealth is the manifestation of intelligence".

I am talking on average. I believe liberal-atheists tend to be more intelligent than conservative-Christians.


Tend? I could probably buy that.


Yes. If everyone was well-educated, this country would be sublime.


I tend to accept that as a qualified truth, also. I can't imagine it would be worse... put it that way. :)


I believe part of intelligence is the ability to learn--of course, if one is never taught certain things, than there would not be a proper correlation between intelligence and knowledge, which is what allows racists to call certain groups inherently stupid. Damn Ayn Rand and her "wealth is the manifestation of intelligence".

Yeah, I think Ayn Rand had it somewhat backwards - wealth MANIFESTS in education... and intelligence tends towards education as well (I think).

Ayn Rand mistook correlation for causation. Or.. maybe she was just flapping her gums.

I tend to accept that as a qualified truth, also. I can't imagine it would be worse... put it that way. :)

It would be great. Even the "problem" of illegal immigration would be fixed, because there would be a balance of skilled labor. But no one wants to pay to educate them "furnurs".

Yeah, I think Ayn Rand had it somewhat backwards - wealth MANIFESTS in education... and intelligence tends towards education as well (I think).

Ayn Rand mistook correlation for causation. Or.. maybe she was just flapping her gums.

No, she was essentially saying: "If ur poor its cuz ur stoopid so we shudnt have 2 help u."

It would be great. Even the "problem" of illegal immigration would be fixed, because there would be a balance of skilled labor. But no one wants to pay to educate them "furnurs".


No, indeed. That's because 'they'll take our jobs'. Or something.


No, she was essentially saying: "If ur poor its cuz ur stoopid so we shudnt have 2 help u."

I wouldn't argue it. I was trying to be charitable. :)

Despite my religious objections to gay marriage, I think it should be legal, because last time I checked, this country did not make laws based on my religious convictions, nor those of anyone else.

Despite my religious objections to gay marriage, I think it should be legal, because last time I checked, this country did not make laws based on my religious convictions, nor those of anyone else.

Truth.

No, indeed. That's because 'they'll take our jobs'. Or something.

See, that is partially the problem: We will not educate them enough, but we still complain that they take all the minimum wage jobs away. If they were educated then they would proportionately be starting businesses and creating jobs, or working higher paying jobs.

I wouldn't argue it. I was trying to be charitable. :)

You have done your good deed for the day, Son.

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See, that is partially the problem: We will not educate them enough, but we still complain that they take all the minimum wage jobs away. If they were educated then they would proportionately be starting businesses and creating jobs, or working higher paying jobs.


Yeah, but they'd be starting their hoodoo furren business, and creating godless furren jobs.

Or, like, something.


You have done your good deed for the day, Son.


Charitable to Ayn Rand? I'm fucking going to heaven. That's me done!

Yeah, but they'd be starting their hoodoo furren business, and creating godless furren jobs.

Or, like, something.

No, the people just like to complain about "how much money our government is wasting on Mexicans".



Charitable to Ayn Rand? I'm fucking going to heaven. That's me done!

But there is a problem: She hates charity, or any other form altruism.

"If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject. "

I'm confused by the poll options. I'm in favor of same-sex marriage for others, but I personally will abstain from it.

That's why I voted Nay. I support legal rights for homosexuals, however I am a heterosexual and I would probably refuse to perform a marriage ceremony for a gay couple and I would also probably instruct the call commitee that gays need not apply for an associate pastor or senior pastor position. Besides that I would not vote for a gay bishop, but that is just me...1st admendment is a wonderful thing, aint it?

No, the word you are looking for is GAY.

lol

Theres some good bits but that entire Leviticus chapter needed cut...

Leviticus is a book not a chapter.

One round of counter-arguments and you give up?

Is this what passes for trolling these days?

Successful troll is not successful

A shallow collection of water?

Don't call a certain poster puddles, or more to the point do because he gets so worked up over it and will scream and order you not to call him that.

I'm confused by the poll options. I'm in favor of same-sex marriage for others, but I personally will abstain from it.

You never know you might just find the man of your dreams :p

In response to the thread... the progression towards acceptance of gay marriage in the US is simply fantastic. I love you guys lately. Now if we can just get the impetus for it here...

Not with our current government, since our PM has already came out and said no to gey marriage I can't see it coming through for a long time.

I am new to the forums.

*bows down to superior trolls*

*Bitchslaps*

I will forever be your better.
:hail: to me.

*Bitchslaps*

I will forever be your better.
:hail: to me.

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Lulz.

Me. 100%
Like DaWoad, I'd appreciate some explanation into this view of yours.

Also, the others that said no to the poll are similarly invited to come explain why they are against same-sex marriage and/or adoption.

Like DaWoad, I'd appreciate some explanation into this view of yours.

Also, the others that said no to the poll are similarly invited to come explain why they are against same-sex marriage and/or adoption.
Some of those who voted No really aren't against it. This guy, for example,
That's why I voted Nay. I support legal rights for homosexuals, however I am a heterosexual and I would probably refuse to perform a marriage ceremony for a gay couple
apparently really does favor legal marriage for us, only opposing religious ceremonialization of such marriages.
And then there's this guy, who cast the first No just to get it off zero:
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Originally Posted by Farnhamia Redux
And you voted no ... just for woots?

Yup.

I saw Luna's post, though I must have missed Korintar's. Technically, he's correct; the separation of church and state does of course go both ways. We have no grounds to force a church of any religion to recognize a same-sex marriage, just the same as we have no grounds to deny same-sex couples the exact same civil marriage benefits given to heterosexual couples.