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Iraqi shoe thrower's jail term reduced

No Names Left Damn It
07-04-2009, 17:09
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7988035.stm


Iraq shoe thrower's jail term cut

Zaidi has always insisted he was making a legitimate protest

The Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at former US President George W Bush has had his sentence cut from three years to one year on appeal.

Muntadar al-Zaidi's lawyer argued that the charge should be changed from assault to insulting a foreign leader.

The judge agreed and reduced the term in line with the less serious offence.

An official for the court said the presiding judge had also taken into account the fact that Zaidi had no prior criminal history.

"The appeal court issued its decision today... taking into consideration that he [Zaidi] is still young and doesn't have any previous convictions," said Abdul Sattar al-Birqdar, the spokesman for the Iraqi judicial council.

Grave insult

Zaidi's lawyer, Yaha al-Ittabi, said the decision showed "the independence and the integrity of the Iraqi judiciary".

Shoe hurling is a grave insult in Arab culture, but Mr Bush - who was on a farewell trip to Iraq at the time - shrugged off the attack.

The shoe attack happened in mid-December 2008 during a news conference Mr Bush was holding with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Zaidi, of al-Baghdadiya TV, called Mr Bush "a dog" and threw his shoes as a "farewell kiss" from Iraqis who had been killed, orphaned or widowed since the US-led invasion.

"I had the feeling that the blood of innocent people was dropping on my feet during the time that he was smiling and coming to say bye-bye to Iraq with a dinner," Zaidi said during his trial in March.

Hero or criminal?

He was overpowered and arrested and his actions were condemned by the Iraqi government as "shameful".

Zaidi had faced a potential 15 years in jail, now slashed to one year

But the shoe attack, at a globally televised news conference, was celebrated across the world by critics of the outgoing US president, who ordered the 2003 invasion of the Iraq.

An opinion poll carried out for the BBC and ABC - the full results of which appear next Monday - suggested 62% of the Iraqis polled considered Zaidi a "hero".

Some 24% of the sample said they viewed him as "criminal", while 10% thought he was a hero and criminal equally.

Taking into account pre-trial custody and the customary reductions of sentences, Zaidi is set to be released on 14 September.

I think it's good that his sentence has been reduced, but he still deserves less term. I can see a fine or short sentence for attempted assault, but a year is over the top, IMO. Anyway what does NSG have to say about this?
Heikoku 2
07-04-2009, 17:11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7988035.stm



I think it's good that his sentence has been reduced, but he still deserves less term. I can see a fine or short sentence for attempted assault, but a year is over the top, IMO. Anyway what does NSG have to say about this?

Good. I think he should get a street named after him.
Lunatic Goofballs
07-04-2009, 17:12
I wonder how long you'd spend in jail if you threw an object at the President in the USA. I suspect it would be a good while. :tongue:
The Parkus Empire
07-04-2009, 17:13
http://poasttowntest.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/stupid-people-shut-up-c117515861.jpg
Rolling Dead
07-04-2009, 17:18
I wonder how long you'd spend in jail if you threw an object at the President in the USA. I suspect it would be a good while. :tongue:

Gunned down on the spot.
Trve
07-04-2009, 17:20
You know, the fact that this guy is doing jail time for it in my eyes legitimizes him and makes him even more my hero.

But, considering he was already tortured (beaten), I think he shouldnt serve any more time.
Milks Empire
07-04-2009, 18:03
If it had been a stiletto heel, I could see that being a bit dangerous. But it was a common men's dress shoe. How much damage could one of those things realistically do?
Rambhutan
07-04-2009, 18:16
Glad to hear it. Still think a year in prison is too harsh.
Saige Dragon
07-04-2009, 18:34
I've named my left shoes Muntadar and my right shoes Zaidi in honour of this man.
Quacawa
07-04-2009, 18:36
A year in gaol for throwing a shoe is too tough a punishment. a fine should suffice.
greed and death
07-04-2009, 20:15
this is bad. the Iraqi government has been reducing sentences or releasing those it disappears, just before it disappears them. This guy will likely vanish 24 hours after his release only to have his mutilated headless body show up on a street a few weeks later.
Galloism
07-04-2009, 20:32
If it had been a stiletto heel, I could see that being a bit dangerous. But it was a common men's dress shoe. How much damage could one of those things realistically do?

http://www.gasbanditry.com/twg163/image.php?twg_album=Animated&twg_type=small&twg_show=austin-powers-shoe-throw-bush.gif&twg_rot=-1
greed and death
07-04-2009, 20:40
http://www.gasbanditry.com/twg163/image.php?twg_album=Animated&twg_type=small&twg_show=austin-powers-shoe-throw-bush.gif&twg_rot=-1

Oddjob is in Iraq. Oh noes. :eek:
Tsaraine
07-04-2009, 20:45
Well, the quoted article says that "Shoe hurling is a grave insult in Arab culture". So what we may regard as too harsh may be, by Arabic standards, fairly lenient. What would the US do if someone had, oh, shat on the President? I don't know if that's equivalent or not, but where we see "huh, a shoe", the Iraqis might well be seing "OMG, an insult!". If, on a visit to the US, someone had pissed on Queen Elizabeth, I imagine that that person would not find themselves leniently treated by the US justice system.
Gauthier
07-04-2009, 21:02
http://poasttowntest.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/stupid-people-shut-up-c117515861.jpg

Someone ought to declare open season on anyone wearing shirts with that stupid rabbit, kids or no.
Gauthier
07-04-2009, 21:03
Oddjob is in Iraq. Oh noes. :eek:

Random Task. Get it right :p
Trve
07-04-2009, 21:03
Someone ought to declare open season on anyone wearing shirts with that stupid rabbit, kids or no.

Duck season!
Ring of Isengard
07-04-2009, 21:06
I still can't believe the bloke missed.
greed and death
07-04-2009, 21:11
I still can't believe the bloke missed.

Bush is just good at ducking.
Ring of Isengard
07-04-2009, 21:36
Bush is just good at ducking.

Lol, I also can't believe how fucking slow the security forces were. He had time to bend down take off his shoe and throw- twice! Fucking idiots.
Miami Shores
07-04-2009, 21:51
Good. I think he should get a street named after him.

He would have been beheaded if he had dared to to call Saddam Hussein a Dog taken his stinking shoes off and thrown them at Saddam Hussein.
Gauthier
07-04-2009, 21:52
He would have been beheaded if he had dared to to call Saddam Hussein a Dog taken his stinking shoes off and thrown them at Saddam Hussein.

Except Saddam Hussein kept law and order in the streets of Iraq. Did you see the insurgents running around having a field day when he was in charge?
Heikoku 2
07-04-2009, 22:04
He would have been beheaded if he had dared to to call Saddam Hussein a Dog taken his stinking shoes off and thrown them at Saddam Hussein.

And yet, Bush is a worse murderer and the war was still wrong.
greed and death
07-04-2009, 22:07
Except Saddam Hussein kept law and order in the streets of Iraq. Did you see the insurgents running around having a field day when he was in charge?

Crime is the price one pays for freedom.
greed and death
07-04-2009, 22:09
Lol, I also can't believe how fucking slow the security forces were. He had time to bend down take off his shoe and throw- twice! Fucking idiots.

Likely just shocked. I mean bush dodged the first one and smiled.
Miami Shores
07-04-2009, 22:13
And yet, Bush is a worse murderer and the war was still wrong.

You got to be kidding, lol.
Trve
07-04-2009, 23:27
He would have been beheaded if he had dared to to call Saddam Hussein a Dog taken his stinking shoes off and thrown them at Saddam Hussein.

You keep saying that as if it alone makes your point.


It doesnt.
Milks Empire
07-04-2009, 23:34
Duck season!

Wabbit season! :p
Ledgersia
07-04-2009, 23:39
He would have been beheaded if he had dared to to call Saddam Hussein a Dog taken his stinking shoes off and thrown them at Saddam Hussein.

No one here is disputing the fact that Saddam was a brutal and sadistic tyrant. They are disputing the wisdom (or lack thereof) of invading Iraq, a country which posed not even the slightest to us.