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...refer to football as soccer and call a sport played with the hands football?

Edit: Dammit, I meant Columbiusianers. Evil threads confuse me.

Edit Edit: No, I did mean Americans. Apparently Canadians call football soccer too.

For the 10,000 time soccer is a corruption of association football.
Foot ball comes from the term rugby football.

Football itself means any sport played on foot as opposed to horseback such as polo.

Because soccer wasn't manly enough to require large amounts of defensive gear and therefore found unworthy of the name "football". :p

So doesn't it make sense for the Ussetians to get on the same page as the rest of the world?

The rules of association football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863, and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other versions of football played at the time. The word soccer is a colloquial abbreviation of association (from assoc.) and first appeared in the 1880s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_association_football

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer#Etymology

The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863, and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as a slang abbreviation of the word "association", often credited to former England captain Charles Wreford-Brown.

Because the Englishman that founded the original colonies new many different forms of Football, and the one that is currently known as football to the rest of the world, was then known as "Association Football" and was colloquially known as "Soccer" to the British and the Colonists at the time...

As to why Gridiron is also called Football, Im honestly at a loss...

Because soccer wasn't manly enough to require large amounts of defensive gear and therefore found unworthy of the name "football". :p

So the Federalist Shipmen should rename their "football" "he-manball" and then it will always sound more manly than football.

So doesn't it make sense for the Ussetians to get on the same page as the rest of the world?

1) How significantly, on a scale from 1-10, does the use of the word "soccer" by one group of people affect your daily life?

2) Where's Usset?

As to why Gridiron is also called Football, Im honestly at a loss...

Because it is derivitive of rugby football.

...refer to football as soccer

Oddly enough: because they value tradition.
Still - football as a name indeed fits the sport where one mostly plays with the foot better.

Because they hate freedom.

1) How significantly, on a scale from 1-10, does the use of the word "soccer" by one group of people affect your daily life?
It affects me more than the outcome of World Idol, but less than the price of beer.

2) Where's Usset?

It's the land just north of Here There Be Dragons. It's orginal inhabitant was Cthulhu.

Because they hate freedom.I heard they also support terrorism.

Because they hate freedom.

Terrorist. XP

So the Federalist Shipmen should rename their "football" "he-manball" and then it will always sound more manly than football.

Idk, it would always remind me of this:

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:rT3bzlqQHDoxWM:http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/he-man.jpg

1) How significantly, on a scale from 1-10, does the use of the word "soccer" by one group of people affect your daily life?

2) Where's Usset?

I was thinking he meant Ossetia :p

Because they hate freedom.

They should be sent back to whenst they came.

Idk, it would always remind me of this:

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:rT3bzlqQHDoxWM:http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/he-man.jpg

So you add swords to the game. Only leads to more awesomeness. -.-

So doesn't it make sense for the Ussetians to get on the same page as the rest of the world?

if that's how we are going to do things are shouldn't the world be speaking Chinese then ?

if that's how we are going to do things are shouldn't the world be speaking Chinese then ?

If the Chinese refer to soccer by it's right and proper name and play USAmeriburgers football with swords, then I see no problem with this change.

Because Americans seem intent on butchering our language.

Soccer is shit! XP

*awaits large amount of "Nuh uh!"-type and "ZOMG football!"-type responses*

Because Americans seem intent on butchering our language.

Shush, you don't even speak english but a british parody of it! :p

Because Americans seem intent on butchering our language.

As mentioned, soccer actually IS the traditional British English name of the game.

Because Americans seem intent on butchering our language.

The rules of association football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863, and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other versions of football played at the time. The word soccer is a colloquial abbreviation of association (from assoc.) and first appeared in the 1880s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_association_football

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The eye row knee burns.

I want to make a game where there are virtually no rules....just stay in the rectangle, and put the ball in the goal by any means necessary...

Thats it, just put the ball in the goal...

Itd be awesome to watch Id wager...

Because they hate freedom.

OI! Offside that is! REF! REF!!!

Itd be awesome to watch Id wager...

But awful to play. If ever played seriously, there would probably be deaths.

I want to make a game where there are virtually no rules....just stay in the rectangle, and put the ball in the goal by any means necessary...

Thats it, just put the ball in the goal...

Itd be awesome to watch Id wager...

Calvinball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinball#Calvinball)

http://www.smomashup.com/images/calvinball.jpg

If the Chinese refer to soccer by it's right and proper name, then I see no problem with this change.

Not really. Foot ball is zú qiú and they will translate zú as foot. But you don't use zú as the word foot in any other use outside of sports. The meaning is more along the lines of to be sufficient. To use the word foot you would use the word zǒu (in context of traveling on foot) or jiǎo (for oh doctor I broke my foot).

Not really. Foot ball is zú qiú and they will translate zú as foot. But you don't use zú as the word foot in any other use outside of sports. The meaning is more along the lines of to be sufficient. To use the word foot you would use the word zǒu (in context of traveling on foot) or jiǎo (for oh doctor I broke my foot).

Well then obviously we'd have to spread democracy to them to keep such an apostacy from happening. Only terrorists hate football.

Well then obviously we'd have to spread democracy to them to keep such an apostacy from happening. Only terrorists hate football.

In the spirit of democracy lets speak the most common native spoken language Chinese.

I am correcting your transliteration error. The character used in Chinese for football was choose because it looks like someone kicking something, then they added ball as the second syllable.

In the spirit of democracy lets speak the most common native spoken language Chinese.

I am correcting your transliteration error. The character used in Chinese for football was choose because it looks like someone kicking something, then they added ball as the second syllable.

Did I say democracy? I meant Democracy (TM). But maybe this subsitution would be acceptable. *Disarms the nukes for now*

Please, rather than continue this farce, look up USians in any dictionary you care to.

It does not exist.

Look up American in any dictionary you care to.
One meaning will be citzen of the United States of America.

Calvinball FTW!

I'm confused... If football is a game we play with our hands, what do we do when playing handball?

Football itself means any sport played on foot as opposed to horseback such as polo.

That sounds like bullshit. I don't believe things like cricket or tennis or basketball etc... were ever referred to as football.

American Football is called "football" because it is descended from a form of Rugby where originally points could only be scored by kicking the ball over the goal crossbar.

Ever wonder why the extra point after a touchdown is also called "the conversion?"

It's because in the original Rugby style rules a player that managed to "touch down" the ball over the goal was given a free kick in order to "convert" the "touch down" into points.

American Football shares this terminology with Rugby because they both come from the same root game. They just evolved in different directions.

Soccer on the other hand developed seperately and was originally known as Association Football because it was played in a much wider number of English schools than Rugby which was played exclusively at the Rugby School. Over time, supposedly, AsSOCiation Football morphed into SOCcer Football.

Well then obviously we'd have to spread democracy to them to keep such an apostacy from happening. Only terrorists hate football.

Do you also get angry at the West Indian cricket team? Or is this a United Statesmen specific gripe?

That sounds like bullshit. I don't believe things like cricket or tennis or basketball etc... were ever referred to as football.

Basketball is a relatively new sport. Cricket is from the low countries apparently (no idea why they don't play it today) and tennis is a continuation of real tennis; none of which are really English.

So that reasoning sort of makes sense. Except for the fact polo, I think, comes from India or Afghanistan.

But it's a 90% good story.

Please, rather than continue this farce, look up USians in any dictionary you care to.

It does not exist.

Look up American in any dictionary you care to.
One meaning will be citzen of the United States of America.
I actually wasn't trying to prove a point, I was trying to inject some levity. It's also been awhile since we've had a soccer wtf? thread. I actually have never seen one on NSG, but it's nearly impossible that it hasn't happened.

If I wanted to prove a point I'd have named the thread "Why do Columbians" since Yankee seems to have been nixed.

Do you also get angry at the West Indian cricket team? Or is this a United Statesmen specific gripe?

The West Indian Cricket team makes me incredibly angry. I've been actively protesting them for 20 years.

Who cares what the Amis call their sports?

The only kind of football I care for is the one where my team VfL Wolfsburg has just beaten Bayern München 5:1 and who is now the leading team in the Bundesliga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r7UOId_JK8

Actually it isnt so bad to use American in this case because Canadians say Soccer too. I don't think Mexicans and South Americans say soccer though. I guess English speaking Americans would do.

Actually it isnt so bad to use American in this case because Canadians say Soccer too. I don't think Mexicans and South Americans say soccer though. I guess English speaking Americans would do.

Ah, well then my original post was accurate then.

*goes back to edit*

Evil threads confuse me.
I can see this happening alot... :tongue:

oh and to be topical...

Soccer... Football... they're all 'Sports' to me.

and I don't really care for most sports.

I can see this happening alot... :tongue:

oh and to be topical...

Soccer... Football... they're all 'Sports' to me.

and I don't really care for most sports.

Ban sports encourage intellectual pursuits... like game shows.

Ban sports encourage intellectual pursuits... like game shows.

Depending on the Game show.

Jeopardy? yes.

Price is Right? no

Survivor (technically, it's a game show) Oh HELL NO!!!

Depending on the Game show.

Jeopardy? yes.

Price is Right? no

Survivor (technically, it's a game show) Oh HELL NO!!!

i was thinking the latter two for humor

Actually it isnt so bad to use American in this case because Canadians say Soccer too. I don't think Mexicans and South Americans say soccer though. I guess English speaking Americans would do.
Futbol, I believe, is the term they use.

... and I don't really care for most sports.

Helpful (non-sport-specific) phrases:

Hey, that was some play!

So, how about that game last night!

I dunno, they all need glasses!

'Course, I've always followed the Albigensians, myself.
(I dunno why this one never gets challenged, but it never does. Every sport must have a really obscure team that sounds like "Albigensians".)

And on soccer -- maybe it should be renamed "headball". Devotees could say that it got that name because it attracts clever players. The unconvinced could just point out how often the head is used to get the ball moving. And historians could hark back to the original football being played with the severed heads of enemies. Everyone's happy!

EDIT: Of course, when people say "football" they are, naturally, referring to Rugby League Football, The Greatest Game of All. Don't let those Australian Rules people fool yer.

Hey, that was some play!

So, how about that game last night!

I dunno, they all need glasses!

'Course, I've always followed the Albigensians, myself.

you know ard... those saying could be used to describe last night at the bar... :p

(think about it...)

EDIT: Of course, when people say "football" they are, naturally, referring to Rugby League Football, The Greatest Game of All. Don't let those Australian Rules people fool yer.

Bah, union > league.

Soccer... Football... they're all 'Sports' to me.

and I don't really care for most sports.

Like basketball, rugby, curling, bowling, bridge, golf and chess? :wink:

...because Americans just have to be different, it's an obsession of theirs, like the light switches, flipping the wrong way compared to the rest of the world, and their mobile coverage, very snippy about which mobiles they'll deign to allow to make a call, or just about anything you care to mention.

Look at their sports - Baseball, slightly different from Cricket, American Football, slightly different to Rugby. Don't they, or didn't they, even change the rules of 'soccer' at some point and play it their own way?

The worst thing for an American is to be told what to do, tell any of them and they'll scream 'socialism' and 'terrorist' and 'atheist' and 'don't tase me bro'. Say 'hey, let us teach you to play a game called football' and they shout back 'quit oppressing me you communist, I'll play my own game and call it football and I'll teach you bi-atch'.

It's part of their psyche.

...because Americans just have to be different *snip*

So would reverse psychology work ?

"No - WE call it football. You Americans must call it soccer, because you suck at it. Sorry, but we forbid you to say football."

...because Americans just have to be different, it's an obsession of theirs, like the light switches, flipping the wrong way compared to the rest of the world, and their mobile coverage, very snippy about which mobiles they'll deign to allow to make a call, or just about anything you care to mention.

Look at their sports - Baseball, slightly different from Cricket, American Football, slightly different to Rugby. Don't they, or didn't they, even change the rules of 'soccer' at some point and play it their own way?

The worst thing for an American is to be told what to do, tell any of them and they'll scream 'socialism' and 'terrorist' and 'atheist' and 'don't tase me bro'. Say 'hey, let us teach you to play a game called football' and they shout back 'quit oppressing me you communist, I'll play my own game and call it football and I'll teach you bi-atch'.

It's part of their psyche.

Typical Europeans. We go and fix your sports, but do we even hear one word of thanks? :tongue:

I use the term USian eggball, why don't we all adopt that for clarity.

...because Americans just have to be different, it's an obsession of theirs, like the light switches, flipping the wrong way compared to the rest of the world, and their mobile coverage, very snippy about which mobiles they'll deign to allow to make a call, or just about anything you care to mention.

Look at their sports - Baseball, slightly different from Cricket, American Football, slightly different to Rugby. Don't they, or didn't they, even change the rules of 'soccer' at some point and play it their own way?

The worst thing for an American is to be told what to do, tell any of them and they'll scream 'socialism' and 'terrorist' and 'atheist' and 'don't tase me bro'. Say 'hey, let us teach you to play a game called football' and they shout back 'quit oppressing me you communist, I'll play my own game and call it football and I'll teach you bi-atch'.

It's part of their psyche.
Light switches flip the same way in Norway that they do in the US. I do agree with you on cell phone coverage though. Although the toilets in the US really are superior to those in Europe.

I use the term USian eggball, why don't we all adopt that for clarity.
Because Canadians play eggball too. How about North- American-Non-Latino egball. Which could be reduced to the anagram NANLE.

Look at their sports - Baseball, slightly different from Cricket...

You heathen! Baseball resembles softball, aka rounders. Honestly -- similar to cricket?!!!?! Chess is similar to cricket, in the level of strategy required. Fencing is similar to cricket, in the degree of agility required. Religion is similar to cricket, in the moral dexterity required. But baseball?

If it were not that baseball statistics are, indirectly, responsible for the genius political commentator Nate Silver and his website Fivethirtyeight (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/), I would even now be appealing to the MCC for your excommunication.

Meh, when I play chess I find that tactics are usually more important than strategy...

I use the term USian eggball, why don't we all adopt that for clarity.

Asian Eggball?

For some reason, I'm picturing Japanese kids running around a field, passing an egg to each other using spoons. Not really the same thing as football.

You heathen! Baseball resembles softball, aka rounders. Honestly -- similar to cricket?!!!?! Chess is similar to cricket, in the level of strategy required. Fencing is similar to cricket, in the degree of agility required. Religion is similar to cricket, in the moral dexterity required. But baseball?

If it were not that baseball statistics are, indirectly, responsible for the genius political commentator Nate Silver and his website Fivethirtyeight (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/), I would even now be appealing to the MCC for your excommunication.

While I agree that baseball is unlike any other sport......because it's more awesome.

It does require strategy.

While I agree that baseball is unlike any other sport......because it's more awesome.

It does require strategy.

As much strategy as can be used in a game which doesn't consist of a two-team, dynamic field I suppose.

Why do Brits call elevators "lifts", despite the fact that the modern version was invented in the US?

And why can't people just accept that language changes, regional differences arise, and life goes on?

That's a good question, Snaf. I don't know why Americans call football soccer. Even in Spanish it's "futbol" so... Confusing, yes.

That's a good question, Snaf. I don't know why Americans call football soccer. Even in Spanish it's "futbol" so... Confusing, yes.

Already answered. It's what the British called it back when we were colonized. And you know how language tends to sort of stagnate a bit in colonies? So... yeah.

That's a good question, Snaf. I don't know why Americans call football soccer. Even in Spanish it's "futbol" so... Confusing, yes.

You would know if you read the thread. It's an British term.

You would know if you read the thread. It's a British term.

You were saying...

I was answering the OP.

Already answered. It's what the British called it back when we were colonized. And you know how language tends to sort of stagnate a bit in colonies? So... yeah.

Yes, I am aware of that, Geniasis, thank you. ;)

You were saying...

I was answering the OP.

I substituted British for English, and I was saying that if you had spent 5 seconds reading the second, fifth, sixth, or seventh posts, you wouldn't be confused as to why we call it soccer, and you'd realize it's not confusing whatsoever.

I substituted British for English, and I was saying that if you had spent 5 seconds reading the second, fifth, sixth, or seventh posts, you wouldn't be confused as to why we call it soccer, and you'd realize it's not confusing whatsoever.

Once again, Sdaeriji, I was answering to the OP. It's of no consequence to me wether Americans call it soccer, football, balonpie or momopoopoo.

Once again, Sdaeriji, I was answering to the OP. It's of no consequence to me wether Americans call it soccer, football, balonpie or momopoopoo.

The easiest answer is because Americans are right.

The easiest answer is because Americans are right.

If I didn't like having your little, freaky voice at my shoulder, I would've dipped you in batter and fried you a long time ago, Greedy.

If I didn't like having your little, freaky voice at my shoulder, I would've dipped you in batter and fried you a long time ago, Greedy.

The real question is, am I the angel or the demon ?

The real question is, am I the angel or the demon ?

Oh, the demon. No question about that.

Oh, the demon. No question about that.

Awww, I think I am good.

While on the subject of football, Manchester United just pulled The Great Escape over Villa!

And despite what the rest of my countrymen may or may not call the game, it's Association Football, or just Football! Oi oi oi! *runs off before they cast me out*

Association football got shortened to Assoc football, and eventually to soccer. While name of the original changed, the name of the derivative never did. Just how it happened.

BTW, the term "soccer" started in the UK.....random info.....

While on the subject of football, Manchester United just pulled The Great Escape over Villa!

And despite what the rest of my countrymen may or may not call the game, it's Association Football, or just Football! Oi oi oi! *runs off before they cast me out*

If I make a "Manchester United Soccer Club" shirt and wore that to London what might the results be?

While on the subject of football, Manchester United just pulled The Great Escape over Villa!

Macheda is a fucking hero.

If I make a "Manchester United Soccer Club" shirt and wore that to London what might the results be.

No-one in London supports Man U, they've got enough of their own teams as it is anyway.

No-one in London supports Man U, they've got enough of their own teams as it is anyway.

Or any team and replace football with soccer.

Or any team and replace football with soccer.

Depends whereabouts you went. In some places people would just laugh, others would point out your mistake, and some might even verbally abuse you for it.

Depends whereabouts you went. In some places people would just laugh, others would point out your mistake, and some might even verbally abuse you for it.

I am seeing an amusing marketing opportunity here, that lets me get around copyright laws I think.

I am seeing an amusing marketing opportunity here, that lets me get around copyright laws I think.

It probably would, actually.

macheda is a fucking hero.

qft!

It probably would, actually.

And flooding the US with soccer club shirts would annoy the British win win.

qft!

You know half of my mates are Liverpool supporters, so I was sat there head in hands, then we equalised, but I was still fucking tense, but when Macheda scored I was ecstatic. I feel sorry for Villa though, because they're always so close to getting into the top 4.

You know half of my mates are Liverpool supporters, so I was sat there head in hands, then we equalised, but I was still fucking tense, but when Macheda scored I was ecstatic. I feel sorry for Villa though, because they're always so close to getting into the top 4.

Yeah, a lot of my friends are fans of the Reds as well. They were giving me hell all second half and then right at the death, they are bursting into tears and whining while I'm on cloud 9. I think Villa can still make the Top 4 this season, they have some easy fixtures to close out the end of the season, while Arsenal still are in the CL and might get bogged down in fixture congestion if they progress another round. Doesn't bode well for us though, with all the competitions we're still in, heh!

In the USA futbol is called soccer, for the same reason that the customary system of weights & measures is used, while almost everywhere else uses metric...because the USA can call something whatever it wants & use whatever system of weights & measures it wants. Also in this category is the term liberalism, which outside the USA refers to free-market capitalism, civil liberties & small representative government (libertarianism in the USA), while in the USA liberalism is a meshing of civil liberties & socialism.

As a side note I don't give a crap about either version of football, I'm a basketball & boxing fan, but I am a backer of the metric system & as a political science professor, I prefer the world definition of liberalism, because it is less confusing when talking about international politics. For example by USA standards one of the most conservative political parties in Japan is the Liberal Democratic Party.

And in regards to international languages, English is the most widely spoken language in the world as far as # of countries goes & if second language speakers are counted along with native speakers it also has the most speakers. Spanish & French are both slightly down the list, but are pretty well on par with Mandarin (Chinese refers to several different languages, many of which are mutually unintelligible).

Doesn't bode well for us though, with all the competitions we're still in, heh!

We'll be fine.

In the USA futbol is called soccer, for the same reason that the customary system of weights & measures is used, while almost everywhere else uses metric...because the USA can call something whatever it wants & use whatever system of weights & measures it wants. Also in this category is the term liberalism, which outside the USA refers to free-market capitalism, civil liberties & small representative government (libertarianism in the USA), while in the USA liberalism is a meshing of civil liberties & socialism.

Agree, except on the metric stuff I can go back and forth in my head and be pretty accurate so it doesn't bother me at all.

As a side note I don't give a crap about either version of football, I'm a basketball & boxing fan, but I am a backer of the metric system & as a political science professor, I prefer the world definition of liberalism, because it is less confusing when talking about international politics. For example by USA standards one of the most conservative political parties in Japan is the Liberal Democratic Party.

the LDP is really the only party in Japan.
The others are just there to be annoying. they had majority in Japan since the end of WWII with the exception of a handful of years.
And in regards to international languages, English is the most widely spoken language in the world as far as # of countries goes & if second language speakers are counted along with native speakers it also has the most speakers. Spanish & French are both slightly down the list, but are pretty well on par with Mandarin (Chinese refers to several different languages, many of which are mutually unintelligible).

Putonghua (Beijing Mandarin) is fairly common throughout China the communist government has been pretty successful in making sure most people under 25 know that dialect(at least according to my Chinese language teacher). Also the writing is the same and can eb read by all dialects.

Greed & Death, mostly you seem to know what's up.

The other Japanese political parties do have success at the local level, just not so much at the national level.

Mandarin may have made some gains in China, since I was last there in 1997, but at that time many of the people around Yunnan province (except in Kunming city) were hit & miss at best, especially older, rural &/or non-Han Chinese people. In the western provinces, Tibet & Turkestan, Mandarin was almost non-existent, but despite their land-sizes they have small populations, so statistically that doesn't change much. Anyway even if it succeeds in becoming the universal language of China, it would still be pretty far from becoming an international lingua franca. Though there are large pockets of Mandarin speakers in Malaysia & Singapore, & smaller groups elsewhere, for the most part those speakers are ethnically Chinese, so it isn't as if it is spreading majorly throughout other communities, present company possibly withstanding (I don't know your ethnicity, but I'm not asking you to reveal it).

later

Greed & Death, mostly you seem to know what's up.

The other Japanese political parties do have success at the local level, just not so much at the national level.

Mandarin may have made some gains in China, since I was last there in 1997, but at that time many of the people around Yunnan province (except in Kunming city) were hit & miss at best, especially older, rural &/or non-Han Chinese people. In the western provinces, Tibet & Turkestan, Mandarin was almost non-existent, but despite their land-sizes they have small populations, so statistically that doesn't change much. Anyway even if it succeeds in becoming the universal language of China, it would still be pretty far from becoming an international lingua franca. Though there are large pockets of Mandarin speakers in Malaysia & Singapore, & smaller groups elsewhere, for the most part those speakers are ethnically Chinese, so it isn't as if it is spreading majorly throughout other communities, present company possibly withstanding (I don't know your ethnicity, but I'm not asking you to reveal it).

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I am a mix of Scottish, Irish American mutt.
I think somewhere along the lines of 90% of the population of China lives within 100 miles of the coast.
I am a history major, Poli Sci minor and my focus is on far east Asia.
Worth noting the speakers of Chinese outside of mainland China tend to us Traditional characters as opposed to simplified. Most I just advocate making Chinese the common language because it gets me free drinks form Chinese people, and confused looks from everyone else.

Does it matter?

American football AND soccer are both equally bad sports.

Rugby and Baseball are where it's AT!

Once again, Sdaeriji, I was answering to the OP. It's of no consequence to me wether Americans call it soccer, football, balonpie or momopoopoo.

And it's always awesome to have a Nanatsu post in my thread.:fluffle:

But awful to play. If ever played seriously, there would probably be deaths.

Thats why its a Prison Game, :p