NationStates Jolt Archive

N. Korea to launch "peaceful" test of an experimental communications satellite into space. (http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-04-voa24.cfm) (False alarm in Japan.)

Japan, the U.S., and South Korea, however, have decried this, and believe that the launch is a test of a new intercontinental ballistic missile, which could strike the western coast of the United States.

In 2006, the UN passed a resolution ordering N. Korea to stop development of ballistic missiles. The three mentioned countries believe that this test is in violation of this resolution.

Japan has threatened to shoot down the missile, but has backed off on its threats.

The N. Korean government said that shooting down the missile would be an act of war, and that they would respond by striking major targets in Japan. N. Korea has several mid-range missiles capable of striking almost anywhere in Japan.

A shooting war between N. Korea, S. Korea, Japan, and( with the US being the biggest contributor) the US.

We would no longer be fighting a war on two fronts. We would be fighting a war on two fronts, and a completely different war thousands of miles away from our current one. Which would be disastrous, especially with the sheer size of the N. Korean military, as well as the "home field" advantage.

The U.S. has three aircraft carriers within striking distance of N. Korea, and may increase that to four.

I only hope that no one jumps the gun or gets twitchy fingers on the trigger or that the missile fails.

What says the NSGers? (Feel free to tell exactly why the Hell this isn't going to happen. :D)

your mistaken on one point. Any confrontation with North Korea, the South Korean army would be doing most of the fighting. When you count the reserves of South Korea they have a large Army then the US. US involvement would be to provide support, Air strikes, force multipliers, and satellite intelligence.

It would be unlikely we would top 250,000 troops deployed there.

Well, Japan and Korea do owe me a fight after that last Rainout...

Damn Hurricanes...

Well, Japan and Korea do owe me a fight after that last Rainout...

Damn Hurricanes...

They are called cyclones or typhoons over there.

Hey, DPRK vs Japan & RoK, with the latter two doing the invading, seems fairly evenly matched. Any support the US provides would be fairly limited and would probably be mostly for power projection purposes anyway. "Economic crisis? What economic crisis? Even with half our troops still in the Mideast we can open another front and be successful in it! Chew on that, Iran/China/Russia/France/target of the week!" And hey, maybe another war will create jobs, even if they're only in the funeral industry.

They are called cyclones or typhoons over there.

Not the way I do it, lol :p

Nothings gonna happen, Japan and SK are pussies, other countries wont act alone in this instance.

What worries me most is weather there's any chance that Russia and/or China would somehow get involved in such a war, thus leading to the global nuclear war scenario. I doubt anyone would take North Korea's side, but the possibility still worries me.

Nothings gonna happen, Japan and SK are pussies, other countries wont act alone in this instance.

In reality, ^^^This...

/Thread

wasn't there a thread on this just the other day?

Anyway, I think S. Korea or Japan could take the northies all on their own, although I don't think anything will come of this, the rocket will probably just come crashing back down to earth w/o sending the satellite into orbit.

wasn't there a thread on this just the other day?

Anyway, I think S. Korea or Japan could take the northies all on their own, although I don't think anything will come of this, the rocket will probably just come crashing back down to earth w/o sending the satellite into orbit.

To be honest, I think that might be what theyre afraid of...

To be honest, I think that might be what theyre afraid of...

well it all depends upon the exact trajectory it takes. If I was Japan or S. Korea, I'd shoot it down if it started coming towards me, its not like the north can do anything about it, particularly in the case of Japan.

What worries me most is weather there's any chance that Russia and/or China would somehow get involved in such a war, thus leading to the global nuclear war scenario. I doubt anyone would take North Korea's side, but the possibility still worries me.

My understanding as long as American troops do not cross north of Pyongyang China will likely stay out if the North started it.

My understanding as long as American troops do not cross north of Pyongyang China will likely stay out if the North started it.

They'll stamp their feet, decry US imperialism, and MAYBE threaten to do something about the outstanding debt the US owes them, but I think they're as pissed off with DPRK as the rest of us, seeing as they have to deal with all the refugees. So they wouldn't do anything substantial in the scenario you outlined, no.

They'll stamp their feet, decry US imperialism, and MAYBE threaten to do something about the outstanding debt the US owes them, but I think they're as pissed off with DPRK as the rest of us, seeing as they have to deal with all the refugees. So they wouldn't do anything substantial in the scenario you outlined, no.

The Debt is not outstanding the bonds haven't matured yet. They have pretty much already stopped buying more debt.

They'll stamp their feet, decry US imperialism, and MAYBE threaten to do something about the outstanding debt the US owes them, but I think they're as pissed off with DPRK as the rest of us, seeing as they have to deal with all the refugees. So they wouldn't do anything substantial in the scenario you outlined, no.

Personally, I think China would like to see NK fall so that they could build a few superhighways, ports, and top it off with some gas and oil terminals to link up with South Korea over land. It's not like North Korea really produces anything of value as is, and it's got a lot of raw materials that China in particular would love to finally get at. Opening up the North would benefit pretty much everybody in the area, so I doubt China would do a whole lot unless the US had designs on turning the territory in to a forward base against China and Russia.

Personally, I think China would like to see NK fall so that they could build a few superhighways, ports, and top it off with some gas and oil terminals to link up with South Korea over land. It's not like North Korea really produces anything of value as is, and it's got a lot of raw materials that China in particular would love to finally get at. Opening up the North would benefit pretty much everybody in the area, so I doubt China would do a whole lot unless the US had designs on turning the territory in to a forward base against China and Russia.

which is why the Op orders have no US personal going north of Pyongyang. So Chinese knows we simply aren't making it an outpost against China and Russia.

Personally, I think China would like to see NK fall so that they could build a few superhighways, ports, and top it off with some gas and oil terminals to link up with South Korea over land. It's not like North Korea really produces anything of value as is, and it's got a lot of raw materials that China in particular would love to finally get at. Opening up the North would benefit pretty much everybody in the area, so I doubt China would do a whole lot unless the US had designs on turning the territory in to a forward base against China and Russia.

Oh yes, I tend to agree. I just think they'll pretend to make a diplomatic furore, maybe write a very angry letter, something like that, but secretly be quite pleased if the DPRK falls.

That being said, it won't. The missle will go up, not fail spectacularly but something won't work perfectly, everyone will be angry at them, and that's it. I doubt we'll see anything more, much as I would like to.

which is why the Op orders have no US personal going north of Pyongyang. So Chinese knows we simply aren't making it an outpost against China and Russia.

I think they would be more concerned about what happens afterwards rather than where we advance to. They probably couldn't care less if we advanced to the Chinese border so long as our troops were pulled the hell out of there and the postwar reconstruction program received input from all major powers in the region.

I think they would be more concerned about what happens afterwards rather than where we advance to. They probably couldn't care less if we advanced to the Chinese border so long as our troops were pulled the hell out of there and the postwar reconstruction program received input from all major powers in the region.

The problem last time was US troops on the boarders make China fearful and Manchuria. Manchuria is the resource rich part of China, (they even have oil there). Not to mention following traditonal Japanese way of Invading China.

Any other nation, and I would say it's major trolling.

But this is North Korea. And North Korea is insane. I fear they might believe their own propaganda and do something really dumb after their missile is shot down.

I made a thread concerning this the other day. However not to much response. Anyway if it comes down to a armed conflict why not ask the Chinese to join in. This way they have a dog in the fight and the US and Allies are not contributing the bodies while China reaps the postwar benefit as they have in Iraq.

I made a thread concerning this the other day. However not to much response. Anyway if it comes down to a armed conflict why not ask the Chinese to join in. This way they have a dog in the fight and the US and Allies are not contributing the bodies while China reaps the postwar benefit as they have in Iraq.

Then they occupy North Korea and insert a puppet regime and we are right back where we started.

Then they occupy North Korea and insert a puppet regime and we are right back where we started.

If its a four nation force the Chinese wont be able to put in a puppet. Maybe get the South to administer the North. Hammer the deal out with China and then kick off an invasion. N Koreans would be overrun in days.

If its a four nation force the Chinese wont be able to put in a puppet. Maybe get the South to administer the North. Hammer the deal out with China and then kick off an invasion. N Koreans would be overrun in days.

The Chinese would steam roll the North Koreans in the time it takes for the South Koreans to cut the barbed wire and disarm the mines in the DMZ. The terms of peace tend to be determined based on where your troops are at the end of the conflict.
As for Agreements yes just like the soviet union agreed North and South Korea would vote on the type of government or like we agreed North and South Vietnam would vote to form a government.

Update:

Launch confirmed as successful (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7982874.stm), passed over Japan. (http://cbs2.com/national/North.Korea.missile.2.975846.html)

Update:

Launch confirmed as successful (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7982874.stm), passed over Japan. (http://cbs2.com/national/North.Korea.missile.2.975846.html)

All to do now is wait and see whats in the payload of that thing. Hopefully just a satellite.

All to do now is wait and see whats in the payload of that thing. Hopefully just a satellite.Hopefully.

Hopefully.

We did the right thing not to shoot it down. I think they were looking for a fight. Some Enemy over there to target the people against to shore up the regime. Sort of like Argentina with the Falklands.

What Japan says in the next few days will be interesting.

Somewhere in South Korea:

"Nuclear Launch detected"

Quick ! Send in some zealots to fight off the hive !

One does have to wonder what the actual point of it all is though. We all die eventually - why makes such stupid gestures of might ?