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Here are your problems:

1: Romantic women never fix grammar.

2: You are supposed to take pity upon me and love me for my pathetic condition. You also supposed to dislike attractive men who rival me.

3: You are supposed to want roses rather than chocolate.

Another tip: Inquiring as to whether or not I have a job or an education is an instant turn-off, romantically speaking.

Sorry, you did not pass. Come back next week.
I told you I was bad at it.

I told you I was bad at it.

Your problem is simple: You should be using a book like Twilight as your guide to relationships.

Your problem is simple: You should be using a book like Twilight as your guide to relationships.

If there was any book I ever wanted to see burning it was that one. As for being romantic. I never really saw the point of flirting with people. Or relationships for that mattter.

If there was any book I ever wanted to see burning it was that one. As for being romantic. I never really saw the point of flirting with people. Or relationships for that mattter.

And sexual intercourse?

I told you I was bad at it.

Geez, I dunno...

I thought romance was supposed to be spontaneous and wild, thus not lending itself to a laundy list of "supposed to be" criteria.

Maybe you're romantic, but only for guys who are into individual women and not the "checked off on qualities" chicks.

Maybe you'er just going to beat dude's asses until you find one that likes it and makes you happy.

One person striving to do anything another asks in relationship sounds dangerous to me. And yes, that type of relationship is definitely a D/s, just an exaggerated D/s.

I don't see why it should be more dangerous than any "normal" relationship where there's strong feelings involved.

Do you have any examples of D/s relationships going bad, the way you fear? I don't doubt that it can or has happened, but I'd like to see some indications that there's a higher risk than in "normal" relationships.

two cents.

My position is that whatever kind of private relationship other people have, as long as the individuals involved have given willing, informed consent, is not only their reasonable right to have, it is also none of my business. I have too much to worry about/deal with/get done in my own life, and if I ever get a complete handle on that, too much of general public concern, to ever have time to interfere (even by opinion) in the relationships of other people with whom I’m not directly involved.

Your problem is simple: You should be using a book like Twilight as your guide to relationships.
I actually felt a brain cell die when I read the above sentence.

Geez, I dunno...

I thought romance was supposed to be spontaneous and wild, thus not lending itself to a laundy list of "supposed to be" criteria.

Maybe you're romantic, but only for guys who are into individual women and not the "checked off on qualities" chicks.

Maybe you'er just going to beat dude's asses until you find one that likes it and makes you happy.
Yeah, maybe. ;)

I was wondering if there could be love in a D/s relationship.

Hasta la uego.

Yes, I'm sure there is. I just... after last night, not that comfortable discussing that.

the only place it (s/m,bdsm) belongs is in the context of sexual intimacy. that's the only thing i know of its being any positive good for. and even for that, for most of us, it works better in erotic literature then ever in real life.

the only place it (s/m,bdsm) belongs is in the context of sexual intimacy.


For you.

So - knock yourself out - go ahead and enjoy it in those settings.

But you are not necessarily a representative of everyone else. A thought worth remembering.


that's the only thing i know of its being any positive good for.


That, again, is opinion... and kind of an odd one... 'positive good'? Is that the marker of human behaviours?


and even for that, for most of us, it works better in erotic literature then ever in real life.

Projecting?

A thought, much like Bottle:

D/s relationships (Sorry Poli, I will use your relation as an example:$) and love. Do they start with that purpose?

Poli and her boyfriend are engaged in one, and to the extent of what one can see in her posts, yes, she loves him and he loves her, deeply. The only difference there is from a "normal" relationship is the dom/sub undertones. Pointing out that I have placed normal inside quotations because I think D/s relationships are normal, within the correct frames of course.

Poli and her boyfriend engage in pretty much what all other couples engage in. If one is to judge by this, then yes, love, to answer RoI's question, is absolutely possible in a D/s relationship and, to me, it seems to color the relationship with far more intimacy than a "normal" relationship. But, once again, these are only my sudden thoughts on the subject and I may be mistaken or pushing it a bit.

Luego. One word.

So now you're ripping on my Spanish spelling as well as my English!?

Yes, I'm sure there is. I just... after last night, not that comfortable discussing that.

Fair enough. You don't have to talk about anything you don't want to.

Aren't they?

I think I disagree.


You've got a lot of nerve, considering:



Yeah but I speak English not Englizh.

Yeah but I speak English not Englizh.

And?

And?

You should write English the way it's supposed to be written.

* Waits for joke about my atrocious spelling*

You should write English the way it's supposed to be written.

* Waits for joke about my atrocious spelling*

I do, for example I leave out all those unnecessary u's... :p

I do, for example I leave out all those unnecessary u's... :p

Lol, the u's are necessary to make it the right sound.

Lol, the u's are necessary to make it the right sound.

No they're necessary to make the words look sophisticated, the z's are necessary to make them sound right... ;)

But enough of this thread jack...

Now to post something on topic...

While I don't have any particular desire for a full-time D/s relationship (I am quite happy with it restricted to the bedroom) I see no problems inherent with them.
Is there potential for abuse, hell yeah, but that potential exists in vanilla relationships as well.

No they're necessary to make the words look sophisticated, the z's are necessary to make them sound right... ;)


So you think those that speak English correctly are snobs?

But enough of this thread jack...

Now to post something on topic...

While I don't have any particular desire for a full-time D/s relationship (I am quite happy with it restricted to the bedroom) I see no problems inherent with them.
Is there potential for abuse, hell yeah, but that potential exists in vanilla relationships as well.
This.

So you think those that speak English correctly are snobs?
Yuppers....
OK, not really, I actually prefer the Brit spelling of Armour and Honour, it just looks better to me.
This.
:D

Yuppers....
So doesn't that make you some sort of dirty commoner?

OK, not really, I actually prefer the Brit spelling of Armour and Honour, it just looks better to me.
No wait, you wrote something else in white, very clever.;)
:D

:)

A thought, much like Bottle:

D/s relationships (Sorry Poli, I will use your relation as an example:$) and love. Do they start with that purpose?

Poli and her boyfriend are engaged in one, and to the extent of what one can see in her posts, yes, she loves him and he loves her, deeply. The only difference there is from a "normal" relationship is the dom/sub undertones. Pointing out that I have placed normal inside quotations because I think D/s relationships are normal, within the correct frames of course.

Poli and her boyfriend engage in pretty much what all other couples engage in. If one is to judge by this, then yes, love, to answer RoI's question, is absolutely possible in a D/s relationship and, to me, it seems to color the relationship with far more intimacy than a "normal" relationship. But, once again, these are only my sudden thoughts on the subject and I may be mistaken or pushing it a bit.

You say more love, I would have thought that that was down to fear. But probs not in most cases.

So doesn't that make you some sort of dirty commoner?
Yup, and proud of it...
No wait, you wrote something else in white, very clever.;)
So I'm a pretentious dirty commoner ;)
:)
I personally don't understand why people worry about shit that doesn't affect them.

If my wife and I decided that we wanted to carry the D/s 'play' outside the bedroom (beyond the fact that my pet name for her is Рабиня {Russian for slave}) it wouldn't affect anyone but us.

I have, on occasion, raped the shit out of a willing participant. There's no formalised master/slave relationship because I find that whole thing incredibly tacky.

Yup, and proud of it...

So I'm a pretentious dirty commoner ;)
Lol. A diry pretentious Russian commoner actually.

I personally don't understand why people worry about shit that doesn't affect them.

If my wife and I decided that we wanted to carry the D/s 'play' outside the bedroom (beyond the fact that my pet name for her is Рабиня {Russian for slave}) it wouldn't affect anyone but us.

You call your wife slave? Your so nice.

It's true though- it would only affect the two of you.

You say more love, I would have thought that that was down to fear. But probs not in most cases.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting is "down to fear"? I'm certainly not in any way afraid of my boyfriend...

I have, on occasion, raped the shit out of a willing participant. There's no formalised master/slave relationship because I find that whole thing incredibly tacky.

I've never seen the words "raped" and "willing" in the same sentence before.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting is "down to fear"? I'm certainly not in any way afraid of my boyfriend...

Well, if it got out of hand, like I said the other day.

OMG! I just realised that your name is Poliwanacraca. Which is Poly wanna cracker. All this time I thought it was just gobbledegook.

Lol. A diry pretentious Russian commoner actually.
Actually, a dirty pretentious American commoner...
You call your wife slave? Your so nice.

It's true though- it would only affect the two of you.
She's rather fond of the pet name.

OMG! I just realised that your name is Poliwanacraca. Which is Poly wanna cracker. All this time I thought it was just gobbledegook.

Hehe, you're far from the first person to have this sudden revelation the first time they pronounce my username. More than a few of 'em have told me they saw me around for six months or more before the penny dropped. :p

Actually, a dirty pretentious American commoner...
An American who can speak Russian!? Are you a spy?

She's rather fond of the pet name.
Awww, that's so... sweet?

I've never seen the words "raped" and "willing" in the same sentence before.

You'd be surprised. The last guy came away with a black eye and gashes down his back and chest. And he loved it, since we're meeting again quite soon. :)

Hehe, you're far from the first person to have this sudden revelation the first time they pronounce my username. More than a few of 'em have told me they saw me around for six months or more before the penny dropped. :p

I can't believe I never noticed before! I'm such an idiot.

You'd be surprised. The last guy came away with a black eye and gashes down his back and chest. And he loved it, since we're meeting again quite soon. :)

Dude, he's coming back for more!?

I'd only let a woman beat the shit out of me if she was fine . I mean like uber-fine.

An American who can speak Russian!? Are you a spy?
Maybe... :p
I wouldn't say that I speak Russian, as my level of mastery isn't even conversational, at least not yet. :(
Awww, that's so... sweet?
As I said, she likes it so who really cares about sweet. I called her that as I joke the first time and she liked the sound of it.

Dude, he's coming back for more!?

I'd only let a woman beat the shit out of me if she was fine . I mean like uber-fine.

Yes. Certain people get off on inflicting pain, others get off on receiving pain. A little bit of controlled agony never hurt anyone :D

Awww, that's so... sweet?

Hehe, why not? My boyfriend calls me "worse" things than that, and I love it. :tongue:

Maybe... :p
Ah man, you missed the overly obvious joke: If I told you I'd have to kill you. I'm so disappointed in you.
I wouldn't say that I speak Russian, as my level of mastery isn't even conversational, at least not yet. :(
Meh, I thought you were Russian, so it must be alrightish.
As I said, she likes it so who really cares about sweet. I called her that as I joke the first time and she liked the sound of it.

Fair enough.

Yes. Certain people get off on inflicting pain, others get off on receiving pain. A little bit of controlled agony never hurt anyone :D
Hmmm, seems a bit like self-harm, but not ( if that makes sense). There's defiantly something very raw about pain. It makes you feel alive.
Hehe, why not? My boyfriend calls me "worse" things than that, and I love it. :tongue:

Your so... argh.. can't find the word.


( It's a good thing though, I just wish I could think of it)

I've been involved in one of these relationships for some time now. All I have to say is this. being sub, and not being a masochist, can be difficult.

I've been involved in one of these relationships for some time now. All I have to say is this. being sub, and not being a masochist, can be difficult.

In what way?

in a way that taking some forms of pain isn't pushing up against my limits, that is, what I find so intolerable as to be harmful on my mental health. But since I get absolutely no pleasure out of pain, whereas my mistress -is- a sadist, means that she enjoys inflicting it on me with regularity. I enjoy being able to give myself in such a way after the fact, but during any sessions it's very difficult for me to maintain cogency because my mind is screaming at me that this REALLY HURTS ACTUALLY. The reward, emotionally at the end is worth it, or i wouldn't be in the relationship, but the act at the time feels incredibly unpleasant. the difference is mainly that the unpleasantness is transitory and reinforces the warm fuzzy feeling I have when I see the collar round my neck.

in a way that taking some forms of pain isn't pushing up against my limits, that is, what I find so intolerable as to be harmful on my mental health. But since I get absolutely no pleasure out of pain, whereas my mistress -is- a sadist, means that she enjoys inflicting it on me with regularity. I enjoy being able to give myself in such a way after the fact, but during any sessions it's very difficult for me to maintain cogency because my mind is screaming at me that this REALLY HURTS ACTUALLY. The reward, emotionally at the end is worth it, or i wouldn't be in the relationship, but the act at the time feels incredibly unpleasant. the difference is mainly that the unpleasantness is transitory and reinforces the warm fuzzy feeling I have when I see the collar round my neck.

Ha, I laughed when I read "the warm fuzzy feeling I have when I see the collar round my neck". That's brilliant.

So, you get sort of confused sometimes as to whether you're enjoying it or not? Do you keep it up in public?

Ha, I laughed when I read "the warm fuzzy feeling I have when I see the collar round my neck". That's brilliant.

So, you get sort of confused sometimes as to whether you're enjoying it or not? Do you keep it up in public?

in public not so much but occasionally she'll get all uppity on protocol which I'm sure would make what I say sound odd (or sarcastic) to people passing us in a crowd. and my collar, being made of metal with a padlock I don't have the key to (symbolically, I do have a key incase there's an emergency that requires it being removed) doesn't come off and is usually visible. And it's not so much confused as things I wouldn't necessarily wish on myself happening and being emotionally overwhelming at the time. That's not confusing like something I dwell on, because I know full well I don't enjoy the act in and of itself. it's like dentistry. I don't enjoy being stabbed in the gums, having my face go numb and then having someone stab ever more intimidating metal things into me, (are we still talking about dentistry here?) before my mouth slowly gets more painful as the anaesthetic wears off. But I do enjoy knowing that my face looks a whole lot more normal without my cracked-in-half-vertically front tooth being fully visible. :P see how my laboured analogy works?

As long as their relationship is consensual, and they're both happy, good luck to them.

in public not so much but occasionally she'll get all uppity on protocol which I'm sure would make what I say sound odd (or sarcastic) to people passing us in a crowd. and my collar, being made of metal with a padlock I don't have the key to (symbolically, I do have a key incase there's an emergency that requires it being removed) doesn't come off and is usually visible. And it's not so much confused as things I wouldn't necessarily wish on myself happening and being emotionally overwhelming at the time. That's not confusing like something I dwell on, because I know full well I don't enjoy the act in and of itself. it's like dentistry. I don't enjoy being stabbed in the gums, having my face go numb and then having someone stab ever more intimidating metal things into me, (are we still talking about dentistry here?) before my mouth slowly gets more painful as the anaesthetic wears off. But I do enjoy knowing that my face looks a whole lot more normal without my cracked-in-half-vertically front tooth being fully visible. :P see how my laboured analogy works?

That's one mega-long drawn out explanation, but I think(hope) I made some sense of it. You wear it in public? Doesn't that raise some awkward questions?
You don't enjoy it? I still don't see why you do it. I can understand the sex bit, but not in everyday life. I guess that's 'cos I've never been in one though.

Hm, good to see a male sub perspective on things, bit of a change of pace.

That's one mega-long drawn out explanation, but I think(hope) I made some sense of it. You wear it in public? Doesn't that raise some awkward questions?
You don't enjoy it? I still don't see why you do it. I can understand the sex bit, but not in everyday life. I guess that's 'cos I've never been in one though.

it's entirely possible you don't understand the enjoyment of it because you....wouldn't get enjoyment from it.

Personally...I'm scared of height. Utterly fucking petrified. Rock climbing, bungy jumping, hang gliding, parachuting, even roller coasters? Forget about it, no way in hell.

But other people love those activities

Hm, good to see a male sub perspective on things, bit of a change of pace.

I'm a girl too. sorry!

Also, no, it never raises any awkward questions for a twofold reason. if someone asks, I tell them. if they choose to then be awkward about it, this is not my problem. Secondly, nobody asks. maybe people are too polite to ask? it may be metal, but it's not an inelegant piece of jewelry, so don't mentally equate it to a big bulky 18th century slave collar. And the sex bit? I'm asexual, actually. I'm uninterested in the sex. I'm in it to please my mistress, and her care and dominance fulfils me on a deep emotional level.

it's entirely possible you don't understand the enjoyment of it because you....wouldn't get enjoyment from it.

Personally...I'm scared of height. Utterly fucking petrified. Rock climbing, bungy jumping, hang gliding, parachuting, even roller coasters? Forget about it, no way in hell.

But other people love those activities

Meh, I hate heights too, but I now love those activities.


Probs right though.

I'm a girl too. sorry!

Also, no, it never raises any awkward questions for a twofold reason. if someone asks, I tell them. if they choose to then be awkward about it, this is not my problem. Secondly, nobody asks. maybe people are too polite to ask? it may be metal, but it's not an inelegant piece of jewelry, so don't mentally equate it to a big bulky 18th century slave collar. And the sex bit? I'm asexual, actually. I'm uninterested in the sex. I'm in it to please my mistress, and her care and dominance fulfils me on a deep emotional level.

So you want to be a dog? :confused:

So you want to be a dog? :confused:

Where on earth did you get that?

I'm a girl too. sorry!

Also, no, it never raises any awkward questions for a twofold reason. if someone asks, I tell them. if they choose to then be awkward about it, this is not my problem. Secondly, nobody asks. maybe people are too polite to ask? it may be metal, but it's not an inelegant piece of jewelry, so don't mentally equate it to a big bulky 18th century slave collar. And the sex bit? I'm asexual, actually. I'm uninterested in the sex. I'm in it to please my mistress, and her care and dominance fulfils me on a deep emotional level.

Oh, you're a girl? Sorry, I thought you were a guy cos you said mistress, but now I see your with a woman. Do you consider yourself to be a lesbian? (If that's okay to ask).

So it's a "pretty" slave collar?

So you want to be a dog? :confused:

What?

I'm a girl too. sorry!

Also, no, it never raises any awkward questions for a twofold reason. if someone asks, I tell them. if they choose to then be awkward about it, this is not my problem. Secondly, nobody asks. maybe people are too polite to ask? it may be metal, but it's not an inelegant piece of jewelry, so don't mentally equate it to a big bulky 18th century slave collar. And the sex bit? I'm asexual, actually. I'm uninterested in the sex. I'm in it to please my mistress, and her care and dominance fulfils me on a deep emotional level.

Oh, you're a girl? Sorry, I thought you were a guy cos you said mistress, but now I see your with a woman. Do you consider yourself to be a lesbian? (If that's okay to ask).

So it's a "pretty" slave collar?

My guess would be no...

So you want to be a dog? :confused:

No, don't have any petplay fetishes, sorry to disappoint. But I'll forgive your ignorance. By submitting to her, I express my freedom to do precisely what the hell I want to do and believe me I am. This is a relationship of compatible desires. I want to give myself fully to someone, and they want to fully control someone. Operative word here is -someone-. I don't take orders from anybody else because I don't want to. When I follow orders from them it is because I want the pleasurable, satisfied response my brain gives me from pleasing someone I'm in a romantic relationship with. In turn, I open myself up to being truly, completely vulnerable to someone and trust in them not to abuse that trust. (and I still have the practical option of simply breaking off the relationship if it IS abused.) This makes me very happy.

Hehe, you're far from the first person to have this sudden revelation the first time they pronounce my username. More than a few of 'em have told me they saw me around for six months or more before the penny dropped. :p

:( It took some people years to 'get' mine.

Oh, you're a girl? Sorry, I thought you were a guy cos you said mistress, but now I see your with a woman. Do you consider yourself to be a lesbian? (If that's okay to ask).

So it's a "pretty" slave collar?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/43474970_43a4b639f8_o.jpg

et voila.

it's not pretty in the conventional sense, but I like the fact that it's not huge and clunky, it's just a smooth metal circle. it gets the point across that it's not a simple piece of jewelry without giving me neck pain. :P Like i said, I feel it's elegant.

:( It took some people years to 'get' mine.

wholly crepe I -just- got it. I've been around and about here for five years now.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/43474970_43a4b639f8_o.jpg

et voila.

it's not pretty in the conventional sense, but I like the fact that it's not huge and clunky, it's just a smooth metal circle. it gets the point across that it's not a simple piece of jewelry without giving me neck pain. :P Like i said, I feel it's elegant.

ah, nice. I've seen ones similar to that. There is something certainly valuable about simple aesthetic. I've thought of getting my girlfriend something like a chain anklet or bracelet, something worn without catching attention, but with no apparent clasp on closer inspection.

:( It took some people years to 'get' mine.

Fuck! Why did you have to say that? That's gonna bug me for hours! There is nothing to get with your name surely.

wholly crepe I -just- got it. I've been around and about here for five years now.

:$ I just got it too.

wholly crepe I -just- got it. I've been around and about here for five years now.

See?

:D

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/43474970_43a4b639f8_o.jpg

et voila.

it's not pretty in the conventional sense, but I like the fact that it's not huge and clunky, it's just a smooth metal circle. it gets the point across that it's not a simple piece of jewelry without giving me neck pain. :P Like i said, I feel it's elegant.

It looks elegant. I'd just think it was a necklace if I saw(spelling) it.

:$ I just got it too.

Argh!!!!! I can't see it!

ah, nice. I've seen ones similar to that. There is something certainly valuable about simple aesthetic. I've thought of getting my girlfriend something like a chain anklet or bracelet, something worn without catching attention, but with no apparent clasp on closer inspection.

There are some really nice 'symbolic' ones - that are basically jewellery... chains with locks... that sort of thing. I'll see if I can find the link.

(An ex of mine liked to wear her collar all the time, so it had to be something 'work-appropriate', but still meaningful.)

Where on earth did you get that?

Collar and lack of sex.

wholly crepe I -just- got it. I've been around and about here for five years now.

I still don't get it... :(

Collar and lack of sex.

ummm....I think the symbolism behind a collar might mean more to us than it does to you.

I still don't get it... :(

his name is thus:

grave_n_idle is graven idol

No, don't have any petplay fetishes, sorry to disappoint. But I'll forgive your ignorance. By submitting to her, I express my freedom to do precisely what the hell I want to do and believe me I am. This is a relationship of compatible desires. I want to give myself fully to someone, and they want to fully control someone. Operative word here is -someone-. I don't take orders from anybody else because I don't want to. When I follow orders from them it is because I want the pleasurable, satisfied response my brain gives me from pleasing someone I'm in a romantic relationship with. In turn, I open myself up to being truly, completely vulnerable to someone and trust in them not to abuse that trust. (and I still have the practical option of simply breaking off the relationship if it IS abused.) This makes me very happy.

Hm. I see. Well, sounds interesting--but could that be called a "romantic" relationship?

ummm....I think the symbolism behind a collar might mean more to us than it does to you.

I am certain it does.

his name is thus:

grave_n_idle is graven idol

I feel stupid for not getting it now... :(
Damn you NeoA!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

a collar, in the fetish community, is often seen as largely a symbolic item. Much like a wedding ring on a woman is both in indication of her married states, as well as a symbol of her commitment, a collar is often seen both as a symbol of commitment, and her (or his) status as a submissive in that relationship.

his name is thus:

grave_n_idle is graven idol

Grrr.:mad:

:$ I just got it too.

Haha. I totally got it the first time I noticed G-n-I at all. :p

Collar and lack of sex.

Collar + lack of sex = dog?

I feel like my dog would dispute that these are her defining qualities, and I would dispute that my collar makes me a dog regardless of how often I get laid.

No, don't have any petplay fetishes, sorry to disappoint. But I'll forgive your ignorance. By submitting to her, I express my freedom to do precisely what the hell I want to do and believe me I am. This is a relationship of compatible desires. I want to give myself fully to someone, and they want to fully control someone. Operative word here is -someone-. I don't take orders from anybody else because I don't want to. When I follow orders from them it is because I want the pleasurable, satisfied response my brain gives me from pleasing someone I'm in a romantic relationship with. In turn, I open myself up to being truly, completely vulnerable to someone and trust in them not to abuse that trust. (and I still have the practical option of simply breaking off the relationship if it IS abused.) This makes me very happy.

Sup Jordaxia (this is The Mindset these days). Not seen you in General in a while, not surprised you'd pop up in this thread.

Hm. I see. Well, sounds interesting--but could that be called a "romantic" relationship?

I still have love for her, can I help it if I'm incapable of feeling physical attraction or desire for sex, and why would that exclude me from being able to love someone? I still feel emotionally connected to her and want to spend my life with her. Don't get me wrong, unlike most self proclaimed asexuals (read voluntarily celibate people) I am not happy about it, but I cannot make my body feel otherwise.

I still have love for her, can I help it if I'm incapable of feeling physical attraction or desire for sex, and why would that exclude me from being able to love someone? I still feel emotionally connected to her and want to spend my life with her. Don't get me wrong, unlike most self proclaimed asexuals (read voluntarily celibate people) I am not happy about it, but I cannot make my body feel otherwise.

Lack of romance does not necessarily have anything to do with sex, nor does it preclude love.

Collar + lack of sex = dog?

I feel like my dog would dispute that these are her defining qualities, and I would dispute that my collar makes me a dog regardless of how often I get laid.

Does your dog have sex with you? If so, forgive me for offending her.

Edit: No to say that any asexual person who wears a collar wishes to be a dog, that was just my first guess.

There are some really nice 'symbolic' ones - that are basically jewellery... chains with locks... that sort of thing. I'll see if I can find the link.

(An ex of mine liked to wear her collar all the time, so it had to be something 'work-appropriate', but still meaningful.)

I see an oddly large number of people down here with the little handcuff necklaces. It's odd, because this city is probably the most painfully boring white bread city in the country (except for Invercargill maybe). Haven't seen any honest-to-god collars (as in not chains with locks) yet, but I'm sure they're out there.

Edit: No to say that any asexual person who wears a collar wishes to be a dog, that was just my first guess.

The problem is, you're guessing from a position of ignorance (which I suppose one can't really fault you for, we're always ignorant about a topic until we learn about it).

A collar in fetish communities does not equate to pet play (although pet play is a fetish some have). As I said, a collar to someone involved in d/s means something quite different than it might to you.

Does your dog have sex with you? If so, forgive me for offending her.

No. She's also, y'know, a dog, so she doesn't exactly get offended. Which would seem in itself to be more of a defining characteristic of dogginess than "wears a collar."

Edit: No to say that any asexual person who wears a collar wishes to be a dog, that was just my first guess.

It's just one that, as someone who wears a collar, I find more than a little baffling. My dog wears a collar so that I have something to grab onto if she tries to run in front of a car or something, and so there is a place to hang her tag in case she gets lost and someone needs to call me so I can pick her up. I do not believe my boyfriend put a collar on me for either of those reasons, although I could be mistaken.

The problem is, you're guessing from a position of ignorance (which I suppose one can't really fault you for, we're always ignorant about a topic until we learn about it).

I think if I am not ignorant on something, I do not have to guess.

A collar in fetish communities does not equate to pet play (although pet play is a fetish some have). As I said, a collar to someone involved in d/s means something quite different than it might to you.

Slave play?

Slave play?

Who said anything about play?

Who said anything about play?

^ This.

Who said anything about play?

"Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

"Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

There you go again, using terms in the wrong context.

There you go again, using terms in the wrong context.

Sorry, here is the whole paragraph:

Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others. Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages). More recent use of the terms "slavery" and "slaves" can include metaphorical and analogous uses which may be applied to lesser forms of forced labor.

I'm personally a Dom with four live in submissive females and two submissive males that wait on my hand and foot. They live to serve me.

No, I'm not shitting you.

I'm personally a Dom with four live in submissive females and two submissive males that wait on my hand and foot. They live to serve me.

No, I'm not shitting you.

What are their wages?

Sorry, here is the whole paragraph:

In all honesty, if you were truly interested in learning how these relationships work, instead of trying to tell us who live in that lifestyle what our terminology means, I suggest you get rid of some of your preconceived notions and accept that fact that, within certain communities, words and symbols have different meanings than what you're accustomed to.

That way, if you're actually interested in learning on the subject, you can actually, you know, learn. Rather than try to tell us how our relationships work.

What are their wages?

Since when do slaves get paid? They volunteer to do it, they aren't being held against their wills.

And, in all honesty, if you were truly interested in learning how these relationships work, instead of trying to tell us who live in that lifestyle what our terminology means, I suggest you get rid of some of your preconceived notions and accept that fact that, within certain communities, words and symbols have different meanings than what you're accustomed to.

Slang or colloquialism?

That way, if you're actually interested in learning on the subject, you can actually, you know, learn. Rather than try to tell us how our relationships work.

I am not trying to tell you how your relationships work.

"Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery_(BDSM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_power_exchange

Since when do slaves get paid? They volunteer to do it, they aren't being held against their wills.

Wow, they sacrificed their careers to serve you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery_(BDSM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_power_exchange

I would say that is "play".

Wow, they sacrificed their careers to serve you?

Wastes of life don't really deserve careers, anyways. They were born to serve me, and only me. My favorite whore, Karen, has been with me for twelve years and has birthed eight children for me.

I would say that is "play".

It's about as much "play" as how Neo Art "plays" a lawyer.

I am not trying to tell you how your relationships work.

What you are doing, however, is assuming that, as an outsider, you can just "know" what things mean. You need to understand, within fetish communities, words don't necessarily have the same meaning as they do outside. Words like "collar", "slave", "owner/owned", "property", "master/mistress", they have connotations that differ from the every day usage of the word.

It doesn't mean that just because a submissive who thinks herself a slave is only "playing" it, because she's free to leave at any time. She is that, and takes that role in her relationship. But the term doesn't mean what you think it means, not exactly.

I would say that is "play".

Yes, I understand you would SAY that. I think that's part of the problem.

Wastes of life don't really deserve careers, anyways. They were born to serve me, and only me. My favorite whore, Karen, has been with me for twelve years and has birthed eight children for me.

ahh, see this kids? this is what we call "a poser".

It's about as much "play" as how Neo Art "plays" a lawyer.

You are pretending you are being held against your will.

Wastes of life don't really deserve careers, anyways. They were born to serve me, and only me. My favorite whore, Karen, has been with me for twelve years and has birthed eight children for me.

http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ed/laughpf.gif

You are pretending you are being held against your will.

Um...no...I'm not. When have I ever pretended anything of the sort?

ahh, see this kids? this is what we call "a poser".

Yes, because anyone living a BDSM lifestyle is a poser.

I'll take your word for it that I'm a poser. Doesn't change the validity of my situation. There is a nice world that you don't know about, at least we're not like those sick furries.

ahh, see this kids? this is what we call "a poser".

The worst part is that his avatar has made it so that I keep picturing Ronald Reagan saying those things, and that's just disturbing.

Um...no...I'm not. When have I ever pretended anything of the sort?

"As it pertains to BDSM, slavery refers to a Dominant person owning a submissive person as their property."

"A slave who has satisfied the duration of the negotiated time of service is expected to be released, unless a new duration of service is negotiated."

-Article

The worst part is that his avatar has made it so that I keep picturing Ronald Reagan saying those things, and that's just disturbing.

Me too. Ronald teh playa.

You are pretending you are being held against your will.

no, she's not. Once again, you're applying terms incorrectly. "a slave" in the bdsm sense does not mean "slave" in the traditional definition of the word. It denotes a certain role in the relationship, and a part of the identity of self within that relationship.

Remember that whole "don't tell us how our relationships work" thing? You're doing it again.

"As it pertains to BDSM, slavery refers to a Dominant person owning a submissive person as their property."

"A slave who has satisfied the duration of the negotiated time of service is expected to be released, unless a new duration of service is negotiated."

-Article

I'll repeat what I just said, for the same effect:

What you are doing, however, is assuming that, as an outsider, you can just "know" what things mean. You need to understand, within fetish communities, words don't necessarily have the same meaning as they do outside. Words like "collar", "slave", "owner/owned", "property", "master/mistress", they have connotations that differ from the every day usage of the word.

no, she's not. Once again, you're applying terms incorrectly. "a slave" in the bdsm sense does not mean "slave" in the traditional definition of the word. It denotes a certain role in the relationship, and a part of the identity of self within that relationship.

Remember that whole "don't tell us how our relationships work" thing? You're doing it again.

I am telling her what the article she showed me says.

"As it pertains to BDSM, slavery refers to a Dominant person owning a submissive person as their property."

"A slave who has satisfied the duration of the negotiated time of service is expected to be released, unless a new duration of service is negotiated."

-Article

And "held against my will" occurs where in there?

Yes, because anyone living a BDSM lifestyle is a poser.

Of course not everyone who lives a BDSM livestyle is a poser. I'm not. Poli isn't. Neesika isn't. The gal who was just posting doesn't seem to be.

People however who write describing their "relationship" like they're cut and pasting out of s&m stories from literotica on the other hand usually are.

I'll repeat what I just said, for the same effect:

It seems to me that "owner" and "property" are terms used for make-believe.

And "held against my will" occurs where in there?

If you are a piece of property, you are held against your will--but you are not really a piece of property, you are just role-playing one.

I am telling her what the article she showed me says.

Here's a thought, radical though it may be. If you're interested, ACTUALLY INTERESTED in learning what the term means, from someone who professes to be one, why don't you..ya know...ask her what it means to her?

If you are a piece of property, you are held against your will--but you are not really a piece of property, you are just role-playing one.

That doesn't follow at all.

Since you brought up dogs, let's go back to mine. My dog belongs to me; legally speaking, she is my property. There is no fence around my yard. She can come and go as she pleases, and yet, she chooses to stay here with me. How is she "held against her will"?

Everyone should feel the graceful touch of my heel.

Here's a thought, radical though it may be. If you're interested, ACTUALLY INTERESTED in learning what the term means, from someone who professes to be one, why don't you..ya know...ask her what it means to her?

She linked me to an article.

It seems to me that "owner" and "property" are terms used for make-believe.

That's nice. It seems to me that anyone who likes eating oysters is simply doing so as a way to repress their deep-seated desire to have sex with a large burly man named Sven. I shall now inform any oyster-eaters that they know much less about why they are eating oysters than I do, because my perceptions obviously define reality, no?

That doesn't follow at all.

Since you brought up dogs, let's go back to mine. My dog belongs to me; legally speaking, she is my property. There is no fence around my yard. She can come and go as she pleases, and yet, she chooses to stay here with me. How is she "held against her will"?

The dog can be held by you against her will, if you so choose.

That's nice. It seems to me that anyone who likes eating oysters is simply doing so as a way to repress their deep-seated desire to have sex with a large burly man named Sven. I shall now inform any oyster-eaters that they know much less about why they are eating oysters than I do, because my perceptions obviously define reality, no?

This word is obviously not used in its true sense: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/property

It seems to me that "owner" and "property" are terms used for make-believe.

No more than 'husband' or 'wife', or 'man' and 'woman'.

You can draw what you want out of those words, and you can pile layer after layer of significance on them - but the only way you're ever going to actually KNOW what they mean to someone, is to ask them.

You seem to be implying that there must be a level of fakeness about it, because the 'slave' is 'free' to leave at any time.

In many cultures that have had slavery, the slave has been 'free' to leave at any time - it has been the punishment that the action would earn, that has inhibited it.

In the case of a BDSM relationship where one partner is a slave, the slave may break contract, or opt out, at any point - but they might not do it, because they wouldn't want to disappoint their master/mistress... or they might not want to live outside of that dynamic.

Is one a 'slave' if one doesn't WANT to leave and DOES want to serve?

This word is obviously not used in its true sense: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/property

"... the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing..."

No?

"... the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing..."

No?

No.

The dog can be held by you against her will, if you so choose.

Thank you for admitting that non-consensuality is in no way inherent in the definition of "property." Would you care to take back your statement that I'm pretending to be held against my will now?

No more than 'husband' or 'wife', or 'man' and 'woman'.

Oh, yes. If I call myself a woman when I am not, then it is make-believe.

You can draw what you want out of those words, and you can pile layer after layer of significance on them - but the only way you're ever going to actually KNOW what they mean to someone, is to ask them.

You seem to be implying that there must be a level of fakeness about it, because the 'slave' is 'free' to leave at any time.

In many cultures that have had slavery, the slave has been 'free' to leave at any time - it has been the punishment that the action would earn, that has inhibited it.

In the case of a BDSM relationship where one partner is a slave, the slave may break contract, or opt out, at any point - but they might not do it, because they wouldn't want to disappoint their master/mistress... or they might not want to live outside of that dynamic.

By your definition slavery is an extremely broad term. My fencing lessons are slavery, because I would not want to disappoint my coach by leaving.

Is one a 'slave' if one doesn't WANT to leave and DOES want to serve?

If the "slave" has a choice, then it is not slavery.

Thank you for admitting that non-consensuality is in no way inherent in the definition of "property." Would you care to take back your statement that I'm pretending to be held against my will now?

You are calling yourself property; property can be held against its will; you cannot be held against your will.

No.

You highlighted 'disposed', and then typed 'no'.

I assume you think those two are somehow connected?

In what way do I, as a Master in a monogamous D/s relationship, not have the sole right to dispose of my pet?

You are calling yourself property; property can be held against its will; you cannot be held against your will.

TPE if you are unwilling to listen to the people who live the lifestyle, why don't you just leave the thread.

No.

For someone who's so hung up on dictionary definitions, you seem to do a lot of making things up willy-nilly. First "property" necessarily implies "against your will" and now "dispose of" apparently necessarily implies "destroy" or something along those lines. Again, my dog is my property. I am not legally permitted to beat her to death. I AM legally permitted to decide at any point that I no longer wish to own her. Are you seriously going to try to argue that, by virtue of owning me, my boyfriend cannot decide at any point that he no longer wishes to own me?

You are calling yourself property; property can be held against its will; you cannot be held against your will.

That's nonsensical.

My calculator, my toaster, my microwave - not a one of them has ever expressed a wish to be 'free'.

Oh, yes. If I call myself a woman when I am not, then it is make-believe.


And, if the slave was calling herself the Mistress, you'd have a point.


By your definition slavery is an extremely broad term.


Yes. It is.

You are now up to speed.


If the "slave" has a choice, then it is not slavery.

If a taxi driver has a beret, it is no longer taxi-driving?

That's nonsensical.

My calculator, my toaster, my microwave - not a one of them has ever expressed a wish to be 'free'.

When referring to property I am talking about slaves and pets, which can express that desire.

Is one a 'slave' if one doesn't WANT to leave and DOES want to serve?

One can be a slave to his/hers own infatuation.

For someone who's so hung up on dictionary definitions, you seem to do a lot of making things up willy-nilly. First "property" necessarily implies "against your will" and now "dispose of" apparently necessarily implies "destroy" or something along those lines. Again, my dog is my property. I am not legally permitted to beat her to death. I AM legally permitted to decide at any point that I no longer wish to own her. Are you seriously going to try to argue that, by virtue of owning me, my boyfriend cannot decide at any point that he no longer wishes to own me?

You have the legal right to take her to the vet and have her put down. You have the legal right to sell her to another person.

TPE if you are unwilling to listen to the people who live the lifestyle, why don't you just leave the thread.

I am quibbling over their use of "no play about it", as I am pretty sure there is. They may be using their words with different definitions then are in the dictionary, but then they should not try to convince me they are not.

I think that is incorrect usage.

I quoted a Wiki article a while back....

When I was building computers as my job, I used the word 'bus' entirely differently to the people at the Bus Stop downstairs from my work.

I also talked about 'flops', 'enablers', 'macs', 'ram', 'back-up', 'chips', cards'... and even 'UPS', etc in terms that would have made no sense to someone NOT 'talking the same language'.

That is what you are doing here.

We are talking about a computer, and you are telling ME (the tech-support guy) that there are no chips in your computer, because there are no 'potato based products, no matter how thinly sliced' in the box.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be deliberately obstructive? Or if you really WANT to understand - but ARGUING the terminology isn't going to help... which is it?

When I was building computers as my job, I used the word 'bus' entirely differently to the people at the Bus Stop downstairs from my work.

I also talked about 'flops', 'enablers', 'macs', 'ram', 'back-up', 'chips', cards'... and even 'UPS', etc in terms that would have made no sense to someone NOT 'talking the same language'.

That is what you are doing here.

We are talking about a computer, and you are telling ME (the tech-support guy) that there are no chips in your computer, because there are no 'potato based products, no matter how thinly sliced' in the box.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be deliberately obstructive? Or if you really WANT to understand - but ARGUING the terminology isn't going to help... which is it?

According to this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/

You did not use a single one of those words incorrectly.

I am quibbling over their use of "no play about it", as I am pretty sure there is. They may be using their words with different definitions then are in the dictionary, but then they should not try to convince me they are not.

You are choosing to stick to incredibly tight definitions that don't always apply even in everyday parlance.

The historical Spartan slave has little in common with 'wage-slaves', which share a small amount of overlap with the BDSM 'slave' designations... and NONE of them has a very close overlap with the word 'slave' in a computer hardware sense.

You're quibbling jargon.

According to this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/

You did not use a single one of those words incorrectly.

WHich is why you might find a book of electronics, hardware data, etc on a computer tech's desk... and maybe NOT a M-W dictionary.

From the anture of your response, however, I deduce that you actually don't WANT to know anything, you're just trying to be deliberately confrontational.

That's fine. You've saved me having to waste any more time on you.

What's the point of that, TPE? I mean especially since -immediately- before you interrupted this thread was you know, people talking and learning. since you came in here pretending to be inquisitive, but really just trolling... what was the point?

What's the point of that, TPE? I mean especially since -immediately- before you interrupted this thread was you know, people talking and learning. since you came in here pretending to be inquisitive, but really just trolling... what was the point?

Trolling? I swear I never attempted that. If I recall, I was posting on this thread before you were.

Gilfig almighty, GnI, when was the last time you encountered someone on NSG seeking to learn something? This whole forum is just an intellectual pissing contest and sex joke receptacle.

Yes Parkus, some people do actually want to learn something. I can understand you disagree with the whole Dom-sub thing, but don't close yourself off to the subject. Really.

Yes Parkus, some people do actually want to learn something. I can understand you disagree with the whole Dom-sub thing, but don't close yourself off to the subject. Really.

Or, if you must close yourself off - do it somewhere else.

Or, if you must close yourself off - do it somewhere else.

That too. It seems as though just because I told him stop analyzing me and my relation he's lashing at the thread.

Gilfig almighty, GnI, when was the last time you encountered someone on NSG seeking to learn something? This whole forum is just an intellectual pissing contest and sex joke receptacle.

That may or may not be true, we could debate it. :wink:

But you are being offensive, seemingly deliberately, by trying to tell people who they are and how they live as if you knew better than them.

You also seem to be admitting that you aren't interested in learning about their lifestyle. Your intellectual pissing seems to be aimed and malevolent.

EDIT: If I remember correctly, you have admitted to and/or demonstrated a lack of knowledge and/or extreme views regarding love and sex in general, so your comments seem all the more inappropriate.

+1 vote for "This was an interesting and informative thread before it got hijacked by narrow-minded semantic prescriptivism, and can you please take your "intellectual pissing contests and sex jokes" somewhere else". I am one of those apparently non-existent people who come here to find interesting stuff (among other reasons, such as boggling at the vast range of human intellectual capability). You are apparently trying to turn this thread into a proposal for using words in extremely narrow definitions, which is not what I clicked on this thread to read about. Please take the discussion of semantic prescriptivism to a new thread, and stop hijacking this one!

+1 vote for "This was an interesting and informative thread before it got hijacked by narrow-minded semantic prescriptivism, and can you please take your "intellectual pissing contests and sex jokes" somewhere else". I am one of those apparently non-existent people who come here to find interesting stuff (among other reasons, such as boggling at the vast range of human intellectual capability). You are apparently trying to turn this thread into a proposal for using words in extremely narrow definitions, which is not what I clicked on this thread to read about. Please take the discussion of semantic prescriptivism to a new thread, and stop hijacking this one!

Yeah. :)

What's the point of that, TPE? I mean especially since -immediately- before you interrupted this thread was you know, people talking and learning. since you came in here pretending to be inquisitive, but really just trolling... what was the point?

JORDI!!!!!!!!!!

:fluffle:

How are you!!??

What's the point of that, TPE?

Wow, you can tell my mindset when I read this as "total power exchange" and got confused

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/43474970_43a4b639f8_o.jpg

et voila.

it's not pretty in the conventional sense, but I like the fact that it's not huge and clunky, it's just a smooth metal circle. it gets the point across that it's not a simple piece of jewelry without giving me neck pain. :P Like i said, I feel it's elegant.
Kinda plain. Does it come with the Allen wrench?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery_(BDSM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_power_exchange
Youl, Jordaxia and Neo Art have done quite a lot to help me understand more about the D/s dynamic. However, the second wiki article kind of reinforces my earlier statement that this kind of relationship requires a degree and type of interpersonal involvement that I can't quite understand. The people in the relationship seem to have to revolve around each other (as in the earth revolves around the sun; as in deep absorption in each other) in a way I simply could never keep up for more than, maybe, an hour. At most. I guess I'll never really get it.

The worst part is that his avatar has made it so that I keep picturing Ronald Reagan saying those things, and that's just disturbing.
I could easily imagine Reagan saying things like that, even before this thread.

:( It took some people years to 'get' mine.

Hey shush, some of us are heathen savages who have only recently learned such terms, okay?

Hey shush, some of us are heathen savages who have only recently learned such terms, okay?

Bah, you can blame 'only just learned', but I pride myself on the 'heathen'... and the 'savage', actually. :)

Bah, you can blame 'only just learned', but I pride myself on the 'heathen'... and the 'savage', actually. :)

dude, wtf is that countdown?

dude, wtf is that countdown?

I think you see what you want to see.

I think you see what you want to see. Stop tripping me out.

Stop tripping me out.

For best effect, you have to imagine it in (Flight of The Conchords) Jemaine's voice.

For best effect, you have to imagine it in (Flight of The Conchords) Jemaine's voice.
*orgasms*

You certainly know what turns my crank.

*orgasms*

You certainly know what turns my crank.

It's those oh-so-chewable lips.

"Bret, You Got It Goin On" is one of my All Time Favourite Things.

You have the legal right to take her to the vet and have her put down. You have the legal right to sell her to another person.

Yes. I have the right to "dispose of" her in any way which it is legally permissible to do to a dog. I, however, am still not a dog, so MY owner has the right to "dispose of" me in any way which it is legally permissible to do to a human person. We also treat toasters differently than dogs, and hazardous waste differently than toasters, despite all of those things potentially being "property." It's almost like we treat different things differently!

Yes. I have the right to "dispose of" her in any way which it is legally permissible to do to a dog. I, however, am still not a dog, so MY owner has the right to "dispose of" me in any way which it is legally permissible to do to a human person. We also treat toasters differently than dogs, and hazardous waste differently than toasters, despite all of those things potentially being "property." It's almost like we treat different things differently!

Well, that's just crazy talk.

Well, that's just crazy talk.

hey I bought them on YOUR reservation

hey I bought them on YOUR reservation

I have never seen those toasters before in my life.

*shuffles saideways*

I think you're mistaking me for someone else.

*waves hand, slowly*

These are not the toasters you are looking for.

Official apology: I think a lot of the posters here got the impression I was trying to tell them what was wrong or right about their relationships, or tell them I knew more about their love-life then they did. If I did this I am truly sorry, I was merely trying to argue the usage of a word, and ended-up hijacking the thread and making the greatest NSG blunder since my thread on the nature of love some time back.

I apologize, and I hope I have not given too many the impression that I am a mindless asshole.

Of course not everyone who lives a BDSM livestyle is a poser. I'm not. Poli isn't. Neesika isn't. The gal who was just posting doesn't seem to be.

People however who write describing their "relationship" like they're cut and pasting out of s&m stories from literotica on the other hand usually are.

Hey, now. Be fair. His post's not got nearly enough spelling and grammar errors to be from literotica.

Jesus Christ that was an abomination of a sentence. Still better grammar than the stuff at literotica though.

JORDI!!!!!!!!!!

:fluffle:

How are you!!??


I'm... overall alright. My Life's -very- complex emotionally. I couldn't let a thread like this go unanswered though, especially since I've had enough time to think about my current experiences and to distil them into something I can coherently talk about, something I tend to have a problem with as most things I am passionate enough to want to talk about it's passionate in the kind of HULK SMASH way, which tends to not really eloquently get my point across.

And how have you been?

i'm... Overall alright. My life's -very- complex emotionally. I couldn't let a thread like this go unanswered though, especially since i've had enough time to think about my current experiences and to distil them into something i can coherently talk about, something i tend to have a problem with as most things i am passionate enough to want to talk about it's passionate in the kind of hulk smash way, which tends to not really eloquently get my point across.

And how have you been?

stop ignoring me jordaxia, you fat wench of a lady :(

stop ignoring me jordaxia, you fat wench of a lady :(

I'm sorry :( but you're on my MSN list, I can say hi to you whenever, this is not a SPECIAL REUNION TIME. Also I am losing weight. I'm just kinda plump now.

And Neo, I KNEW that that stood for something else as I typed it out, but I was totally blanking on it. I suppose it's appropriate that such a crossed-acronym turns up in this particular thread at that particular time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery_(BDSM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_power_exchange

Ha, under a the picture they said,
a domme with pet sub.
I lol'd.
stop ignoring me jordaxia, you fat wench of a lady :(

Awww, now that's just mean.