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At least according to the reigning miss universe. I thought this was an April Fool's joke, but a lot of different sources have it, and some of them from the 31st March... confusion reigns supreme!

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25273581-5005961,00.html

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/2306414/Miss-Universe-Guantanamo-bay-calm-relaxing

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511879,00.html

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/miss-universe-calls-guantanamo-bay-relaxing-calm-and-beautiful.

Please tell me this is a joke...

A beauty pageant winner says something stupid, and this is news? :p

A beauty pageant winner says something stupid, and this is news? :p

She said something coherent, I felt it was newsworthy :p

Hey would miss Universe lie ?? No torture going on here. Move a long look at Miss Universe's cleavage not at that man with water being dumped on him.

Hey would miss Universe lie ?? No torture going on here. Move a long look at Miss Universe's cleavage not at that man with water being dumped on him.

He's just having his raging erection cooled down by the water. That's all. Seriously.

I'm sure Gitmo is fun and relaxing...for the U.S. servicemen stationed there. They have several restaurants, a bowling alley, and all sorts of other recreational facilities to enjoy.

I'm sure Gitmo is fun and relaxing...for the U.S. servicemen stationed there. They have several restaurants, a bowling alley, and all sorts of other recreational facilities to enjoy.

And then this big chested latin girl shows up and they get to hang out with her all day.

maybe they have time for arts and crafts now that they dont have to spend all those hours hanging from the ceiling?

And then this big chested latin girl shows up and they get to hang out with her all day.

Well, if a big-chested Latin girl showed up at my place, I wouldn't complain. :p

Well, if a big-chested Latin girl showed up at my place, I wouldn't complain. :p

Oh nor would I.

Oh nor would I.

I would if she was stealing my telly. But not if she was stealing my telly topless.

Isn't there a 5 star resort "next to" the torture facility?

Isn't there a 5 star resort "next to" the torture facility?

Wouldn't surprise me.

Wouldn't surprise me.

The tourism from Camp Delta would be spectacularly good for business...

Ahh, the other side of the "abolish guantanamo" campaign

There's a clarification on her blog now, so this looks like it is probably real.

There's a clarification on her blog now, so this looks like it is probably real.

Huh. Well whaddaya know. Crazy girl.

Put her in charge of Venezuela, I like the way she thinks.

Put her in charge of Venezuela, I like the way she thinks.

Hell, let's give her the keys to the NWO.

I'm sure Gitmo is fun and relaxing...for the U.S. servicemen stationed there. They have several restaurants, a bowling alley, and all sorts of other recreational facilities to enjoy.

And they get spit on, have other bodily fluids tossed on them, and are assaulted on a regular basis...no I can't provide links; I had some friends who were stationed there.

Paradise found.

And they get spit on, have other bodily fluids tossed on them, and are assaulted on a regular basis...no I can't provide links; I had some friends who were stationed there.

Paradise found.

By whom ? the mine field between the base and Cuba is out of tossing and spitting distance.

By the prisoners.

By the prisoners.

Yeah, go figure. When you torture people, they start to not like you!.

By the prisoners.

That's normal prisoner behavior really.

That's normal prisoner behavior really.

Im not very sympathetic to a bunch of war criminals if a prisoner spits on them.

That's normal prisoner behavior really.

No doubt, I was responding to the poster complaining about the dining facilities and recreational facilities the military members have there. Nothing more.

Im not very sympathetic to a bunch of war criminals if a prisoner spits on them.

Really? The men and women guarding the prisoners are in fact war criminals? Wow, examples please.

Yeah, go figure. When you torture people, they start to not like you!.

I, for one, am shocked.

Really? The men and women guarding the prisoners are in fact war criminals? Wow, examples please.

Considering that many of them partook in torture, or at the very least stood by while it happened. I am not sympathic to those who violate human rights, nor am I sympathetic to the apathetic.

Considering that many of them partook in torture, or at the very least stood by while it happened. I am not sympathic to those who violate human rights, nor am I sympathetic to the apathetic.


You are just going to have to show me some evidence of this. Some UN investigative evidence, some Amnesty International evidence, Red Cross, hell CNN or CNBC; some evidence please.

You are just going to have to show me some evidence of this. Some UN investigative evidence, some Amnesty International evidence, Red Cross, hell CNN or CNBC; some evidence please.


Ill show you mine when you show me yours.
EDIT: Evidence of what by the way? That there is torture going on at Gitmo?

Follow along, its not that hard...

This is going to be fun to watch. *grabs popcorn*

Have at him KoL.

Ill show you mine when you show me yours.
EDIT: Evidence of what by the way? That there is torture going on at Gitmo?

Evidence of how much. My understand was that the water boarding was only used on three people and all before 2003.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119422521756782035.html

A beauty pageant winner says something stupid, and this is news? :p

Hey, Berlusconi some years ago said that the fascist regime sent its oppositors to nice holiday locations.

And it didn't even make into international news.

I lol'd, I seriously lol'd hard.

Hey, Berlusconi some years ago said that the fascist regime sent its oppositors to nice holiday locations.

And it didn't even make into international news.

No offense, but why do Italians keep voting for his party? The guy's a complete douche.

No offense, but why do Italians keep voting for his party? The guy's a complete douche.

No offense taken as I never considered voting for the psychodwarf - I'm a functionary in a very minor opposition party myself.

Bit of a threadjack... Anyway, there are a lot of different interpretation for the appeal Berlusconi has on the italian electors, including the italian being mostly pro-authoritarian if not downright fascist (Giorgio Bocca, journalist and partisan in WW2), or Berlusconi being a genius of communication (many people in Italy are persuaded that the Communist Party ruled Italy for many years and that Berlusconi himself saved Italy from communism :confused:) . Other have pointed out that Berlusconi racks consensus from tax evasors (or people who would like to evade the taxes), and from a strong anti-intellectual sentiment (the intellectuals - like journalists, teachers, researchers - being seen as elitists). Other people maintain that Berlusconi is the only one who can lead stable executives; some suspect that it is the old P2 secret freemason lobby (q.v.) still at work.

You are just going to have to show me some evidence of this. Some UN investigative evidence, some Amnesty International evidence, Red Cross, hell CNN or CNBC; some evidence please.

Perhaps if they let these bodies into the camp and gave them access to the prisioners then there WOULD be evidence.

I've heard most of them have trouble getting access to a decent lawyer

You are just going to have to show me some evidence of this. Some UN investigative evidence, some Amnesty International evidence, Red Cross, hell CNN or CNBC; some evidence please.

There are plenty out there. Here's a nice big collection of links to reports from UN, ICRC, AI, ACLU, other similar organizations, and a broad spectrum of news media: http://www.acontrario.org/gitmo

This is all over the news here. And I used to think that Dayana looked smarter than the average beauty pageant winner when I met her...Not thinking that anymore, even if she clarifies now, the use of words was so retarded that it makes me angry.

Looks like even smart women grow dumb after winning beauty pageants. Thanks God I never won one.

Between this and the invitation from Chávez to Al Bahir to visit Venezuela, I'm not truly proud of our people abroad...

Miss Universe in kinky torture shocker!

This is all over the news here. And I used to think that Dayana looked smarter than the average beauty pageant winner when I met her...Not thinking that anymore, even if she clarifies now, the use of words was so retarded that it makes me angry.

Looks like even smart women grow dumb after winning beauty pageants. Thanks God I never won one.

Between this and the invitation from Chávez to Al Bahir to visit Venezuela, I'm not truly proud of our people abroad...

Of course every beauty pageant winner in smart in person. If you don't sympathize with how mentally challenging a pageant is you have zero chance of getting laid.

To be fair on her, there is more to the place than the prison camp. And when they showed her that part I doubt that it included a tour of the waterboarding facilities with a live demonstration.

Of course every beauty pageant winner in smart in person. If you don't sympathize with how mentally challenging a pageant is you have zero chance of getting laid.

Not, not "every". And I don't sympathize. Yet I have fair chances of getting laid.

To be fair on her, there is more to the place than the prison camp. And when they showed her that part I doubt that it included a tour of the waterboarding facilities with a live demonstration.

Yet she should be aware that there existed said facilities. She should had said something along the lines..."Well, the parts that I visited were comfortable and..."

Not, not "every". And I don't sympathize. Yet I have fair chances of getting laid.





So your saying you have slept with Miss Venezuela before ?

So your saying you have slept with Miss Venezuela before ?

No, I think I misread your post.

And I am not interested in either sleeping, or getting laid with her.

No, I think I misread your post.

And I am not interested in either sleeping, or getting laid with her.

I meant getting laid with one of the Miss *country name* girls. If I have that chance I will kiss her ass anyway it needs to be kissed.

I meant getting laid with one of the Miss *country name* girls. If I have that chance I will kiss her ass anyway it needs to be kissed.

From my own experience knowing some of them, (specially venezuelan ones), if you kiss their asses in any way it needs to be kissed, you will lose every chance of getting laid with them. They already have a legion of ass kissers behind them all the time, and most of them are significatively better looking and wealthier than you.

So that is not a good strategy. Actually, we have a saying around here. "A las reinas como putas y a las putas como reinas", that increases your chances. It means "Treat the queens like whores and the whores like queens". It doesn't mean you have to be a complete asshole, just that they such amount of adoration that they do not need any more sycophants.

Evidence of how much. My understand was that the water boarding was only used on three people and all before 2003.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119422521756782035.htmlBut chaining prisoners naked in stress positions with cold temperatures, constant light and music to deprive sleep, etc. was practiced on dozens. The Red Cross (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1130-01.htm) reported on that recently.

Follow along, its not that hard...

I've made two claims. Which do you want proof of? That torture happened at Gitmo, or that the soldiers are also calpable?

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2009/03/17/8776686-sun.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jQFtXD2Y2LUJpdDbYoK3xyIBo82w

If you question the soldiers involvement, who do you think forces them into those situations? Or at the very, very least stands guard while it happens? They're either committing it, compliant, or apathetic. Any of those three are unacceptable.

I've made two claims. Which do you want proof of? That torture happened at Gitmo, or that the soldiers are also calpable?

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2009/03/17/8776686-sun.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jQFtXD2Y2LUJpdDbYoK3xyIBo82w

If you question the soldiers involvement, who do you think forces them into those situations? Or at the very, very least stands guard while it happens? They're either committing it, compliant, or apathetic. Any of those three are unacceptable.

secret/leaked reports are not very reliable news sources are they ?

secret/leaked reports are not very reliable news sources are they ?

Are you asking because you don't know the answer? Leaked reports are quite often used as sources in news stories.

so anyway, give it back to cuba and let them turn it into an international resourt.

No offense taken as I never considered voting for the psychodwarf - I'm a functionary in a very minor opposition party myself.

Bit of a threadjack... Anyway, there are a lot of different interpretation for the appeal Berlusconi has on the italian electors, including the italian being mostly pro-authoritarian if not downright fascist (Giorgio Bocca, journalist and partisan in WW2), or Berlusconi being a genius of communication (many people in Italy are persuaded that the Communist Party ruled Italy for many years and that Berlusconi himself saved Italy from communism :confused:) . Other have pointed out that Berlusconi racks consensus from tax evasors (or people who would like to evade the taxes), and from a strong anti-intellectual sentiment (the intellectuals - like journalists, teachers, researchers - being seen as elitists). Other people maintain that Berlusconi is the only one who can lead stable executives; some suspect that it is the old P2 secret freemason lobby (q.v.) still at work.

Or it could be that he owns most of the media. :p

Are you asking because you don't know the answer? Leaked reports are quite often used as sources in news stories.

But because the red cross refuses to confirm them they have no backing. The Watergate stuff was all confirmed later.

*fills bucket of water*
*binds*
*pours*

"So nice you never wanna leave again?"

Sure thing, baby.

But because the red cross refuses to confirm them they have no backing. The Watergate stuff was all confirmed later.

Thats actually pretty common.

But since you feel like pretending reality isnt reality:
http://www.progressiverealist.org/blogpost/confirmed-torture-guantanamo-bay
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/03/shocking_tortur.html
http://www.inteldaily.com/news/173/ARTICLE/9017/2008-12-17.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/worldviews/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=33714
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/16/AR2009031602615.html
http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/3852-prideful-tormentor-bush-boasts-of-torture.html

You want me to keep going? There are plenty more.

Really, I didnt know people were still pretending that the torture never happened :rolleyes:

Thats actually pretty common.

considering unconfirmed documents to be the truth ???

The fundamentalist will be delighted there bible is now word for word truth by your standard.

considering unconfirmed documents to be the truth ???

No, groups initially denying that they leaked a report.

I notice you ignored all the links I posted.

No, groups initially denying that they leaked a report.

I notice you ignored all the links I posted.

you ninja edited those in.

you ninja edited those in.

I most certianly did not. My edit was to correct spelling.


Theyre there now for sure, yet you didnt comment on them this time either. Care to comment on them now? The evidence of torture is right in front of you. Cheney even admitted it. On national TV.

Your head must be burried pretty far in the sand.

so anyway, give it back to cuba and let them turn it into an international resourt.

Throw in cigars, mojitos, and dancing women, and I'm there! :cool:

Throw in cigars, mojitos, and dancing women, and I'm there! :cool:

Considering all the 'sedition' I talk, I was probably gonna be there anyway!:D

But because the red cross refuses to confirm them they have no backing. The Watergate stuff was all confirmed later.

Again, quite often. Not just one time in the 70s. And if a major news source is confident enough that the report is real to call it a Red Cross report rather than an alleged or purported Red Cross report, they're very sure about it and the reporter very likely got it from a source within the Red Cross.

Even then, I might allow some room for skepticism if this Red Cross report didn't confirm something we already know. But we've had admissions of waterboarding come from the White House itself (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/05/AR2008020502764.html). I really don't see why the focus hasn't shifted more substantially from trying to deny these incidents to trying to defend it.

greed and death, if you are so sure there was no torture, you should have no trouble producing a credible source to debunk Trve. The fact that you haven't suggests that you have no such source.

I most certianly did not. My edit was to correct spelling.


Theyre there now for sure, yet you didnt comment on them this time either. Care to comment on them now? The evidence of torture is right in front of you. Cheney even admitted it. On national TV.

Your head must be burried pretty far in the sand.

First one is a blog.
Second is some form of communist propaganda paper, yes I mean that literally.
third one Cheney does not admit to torture. The editor interpreted his admission to enhanced interrogation techniques to mean torture.
forth one is over the same comment.
fifth one says allegedly, and states need for independent panel.(Which I will support we should investigate)
Sixth one is talking about one of the three times it was used prior to 2003.

third one Cheney does not admit to torture. The editor interpreted his admission to enhanced interrogation techniques to mean torture.

So....torture.

Considering waterboarding has been declared torture...and Cheney admits of waterboarding...

You cant possibly believe what your saying?

First one is a blog.
Second is some form of communist propaganda paper, yes I mean that literally.
third one Cheney does not admit to torture. The editor interpreted his admission to enhanced interrogation techniques to mean torture.
forth one is over the same comment.
fifth one says allegedly, and states need for independent panel.(Which I will support we should investigate)
Sixth one is talking about one of the three times it was used prior to 2003.

"Enhanced interrogation technique" is an Orwellian euphemism for "torture," as Trve has pointed out.

Ah... the beauty queens. Forever vapid creatures wearing heavy crowns.

Ah... the beauty queens. Forever vapid creatures wearing heavy crowns.

One was almost our vice president!:eek:

"Enhanced interrogation technique" is an Orwellian euphemism for "torture," as Trve has pointed out.

to me it seems to me coming as close to the line as possible, and has not really been clearly defined outside of the water boarding incidents.

Give back Guantanmo Bay Cuba to La Habana Cuba. We will turn it into a tourist $ only resort hotel. Perhaps also a retirement and living community for rich $ foreigners as thier actually is one in Cuba right now.

Guantanamo Bay Cuba 45 of Square Miles of mostly land and water area.

to me it seems to me coming as close to the line as possible, and has not really been clearly defined outside of the water boarding incidents.

No, it has been. Pretty much every organization, human rights group, hell even SCOTUS says it is.

No, it has been. Pretty much every organization, human rights group, hell even SCOTUS says it is.

And waterboarding is torture, as anyone who has experienced it firsthand can attest to.

And waterboarding is torture, as anyone who has experienced it firsthand can attest to.

I should have been clear I was meaning outside of the water boarding, which is admitted to and in the open, and used only 3 times, there has not be a clear defined use of torture.

I will conceded they may be using lawyer talk to dance around it. Or they may be using lawyers to come as close as possible to it.

and used only 3 times

This is false.

And then there is that whole Red Cross report that you prefer to burry your head in the sand about.
EDIT: New South Park is on, Ill return later.

This is false.

And then there is that whole Red Cross report that you prefer to burry your head in the sand about.
EDIT: New South Park is on, Ill return later.

Damn, I wish I had cable...