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I've met a fair few metal fans, and one thing they have in common is that they usually disagree on what kind of metal is actually good. Metal is probably one of the most diverse genre groupings, and I wanted to see what the metal heads of NSG liked.

Personally, I'm partial to folk, symphonic and power/epic metal, although I am gaining an appreciation for tech and prog.

Post and Doom/Drone.

Ahh, drone. Isn't that what SunO))))) are into?

Duck Metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoV3GT_hcN8

I'm quite partial to a great variety of metal. I especially like the early stuff (pre-metal) as well as NWOBHM. Motorhead is a favourite of mine. From there it just kinda goes with how metal has evolved. Thrash bands like Exodus, Megadeth and Slayer rate high on my list. Of the more modern bands I think I only really listen to Children of Bodom with any interest. And 3 Inches of Blood as well. I guess it's not so much the genre's I enjoy, but actual bands, regardless of their style.

I ticked all of the boxes.

My favourite is post-pre-pre-post heavy doom thrash folk dark black gothic speed power hardcore metal.

As far as bands go, I listen to a lot of Korpiklaani and Dream Evil. Also, Nightwish and Rammstein (don't even think about it; only a total metal nerd would say that Rammstein isn't metal).

As far as bands go, I listen to a lot of Korpiklaani and Dream Evil. Also, Nightwish and Rammstein (don't even think about it; only a total metal nerd would say that Rammstein isn't metal).

Cool. I was all like :confused:but then I listened to The Book of Heavy Metal and I was all like :eek2:.

And I won't say Rammstein isn't metal but the only people I've come across that actually listen to them were the kids in German class way back in high school. :p

Viking. Bathory is about the only metal band whose songs I consistently enjoy.

"Poison" . . . I see what you did there ;) But then you left "hair" off the poll?

No, as an old hand (too feckin old) at determining false metal from True Metal, I say that Rammstein are indeed Metal.

I like most of them :)

The list of my bands is way too long, I may upload a picture if people are interested.

But seriously, Viking and folk metal is one of my favourites. It's what metal is all about for me, going to a small venue, or even a pub, not beating around the bush and just saying "fuck you we are vikings" and making as much noise as possible using medieval melodies (most metal uses those kind of harmonies anyway).

My favourite is post-pre-pre-post heavy doom thrash folk dark black gothic speed power hardcore metal.

Epic neo-progressive power dark folk metal, epic power war metal, symphonic death epic grindcore thrash metal and majestic funeral doom metal. I mean, these are some of the branches I've listened to recently (or not so) and care to name. I like majority of metal genres, and venture into the lands of rock quite casually.

a fair bit, but mostly thrash, grindcore and the like. i'm not sure what you'd class bands like Lamb of God and Pantera as. my all time favourite bands include those two, as well as Testament, Bolt Thrower, Exodus, Sepultura, Slipknot, Machine Head, Iced Earth, Demons & Wizards, Crowbar, In Flames, Napalm Death, Pitchshifter, etc. i like a lot more, obviously, but most of those have been favourites for a long time. i've been wanting to get a Testament tattoo for a long time, too


And I won't say Rammstein isn't metal but the only people I've come across that actually listen to them were the kids in German class way back in high school. :p

we all used to listen to Rammstein, and i still do occasionally. i like the mix of industrial and metal... makes for a very powerful sound. (same kind of way i like Pitchshifter's mix of drum n bass, thrash and punk)

Black. Black fucking metal.

I like a lot of old school heavy metal too, like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dio, Mercyful Fate, and King Diamond. And a lot of proto-black metal, like Celtic Frost.

I like bands from all genres, but if I had to pick, its either heavy or black.

As far as bands go, I listen to a lot of Korpiklaani and Dream Evil. Also, Nightwish and Rammstein (don't even think about it; only a total metal nerd would say that Rammstein isn't metal).

Rammstein isn't metal.

I just said it to be named a "total metal nerd". I like it.

Black. Black fucking metal.

I like a lot of old school heavy metal too, like Iron Maiden

...as if your avatar wasn't already a bit of a dead giveaway! ;)

"gotta get airborne before it's too late!"

Rammstein isn't metal.

I just said it to be named a "total metal nerd". I like it.

You're a total metal nerd.

But to people who don't think Rammstein should be classed as metal, what does it need to posses, in order to be classed as such?

Ahh, drone. Isn't that what SunO))))) are into?
Yeah, them, Gravetemple, that sort of thing.

you're a total metal nerd.
yay!

I've ticked a few boxes as well, Other was one of them. That category holds a lot of different subgenres, such as doom, industrial metal, post rock/metal (Pelican, Isis, Cult Of Luna, Neurosis etc.) and acts that just can't be properly described, such as Thought Industry and OLD.

And when all the metal legions fail, there's still grindcore. You can hardly go wrong with grindcore.

And when all the metal legions fail, there's still grindcore. You can hardly go wrong with grindcore.

Yeah, see, Im going to have to disagree. I think if youre listening to grindcore, something has definitally gone wrong:p

Symphonic, prog, black, and epic/power metal on there. Also, though: melodic death metal, nu-metal (yes it is metal), alternative metal, and metalcore.

Within Temptation and Lacuna Coil do it for me. Also Tristania and Tarja Trounen Nightwish era.

Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Metallica, Megadeth, System of a Down

Definitely a Prog fan, Tool, Chevelle, Deftones, etc...Favorites...

ACDC, Deep Purple, Guns and Roses


Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots yeah, yeah I know but I think they are loud enough to put them in the same bracket.

ACDC, Deep Purple, Guns and Roses


Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots yeah, yeah I know but I think they are loud enough to put them in the same bracket.

Not to be the typical metal nerd or anything, but the last four there are grunge, metal's little brother.:p

Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots yeah, yeah I know but I think they are loud enough to put them in the same bracket.

Not to be the typical metal nerd or anything, but the last four there are grunge, metal's little brother.:p

Yeah, Grunge is my primary poison, lol...

Metal's little brother, and Punk's retarded cousin, lol...

Metal's little brother, and Punk's retarded cousin, lol...

This is a really good metaphor.

As far as bands go, I listen to a lot of Korpiklaani and Dream Evil. Also, Nightwish and Rammstein (don't even think about it; only a total metal nerd would say that Rammstein isn't metal).

You wish!

Rammstein are industrial.

You wish!

Rammstein are industrial.

In all fairness, and I say this as a metal elitest...Rammstein is industrial metal-lite.

Just like Slipknot is still metal. Its just not good metal or "pure".

In all fairness, and I say this as a metal elitest...Rammstein is industrial metal-lite.

Just like Slipknot is still metal. Its just not good metal or "pure".

Pure-Metal......

That makes me cringe....like a Christian Rock band...*shudders*

In all fairness, and I say this as a metal elitest...Rammstein is industrial metal-lite.

Just like Slipknot is still metal. Its just not good metal or "pure".

In all fairness, and I say this as an elitist, Rammstein is Industrial just because us industrial-ites wanted them. :) We took Einsturzende Neubauten when all you metalheads didn't want them. We took Laibach when you metalheads didn't want them. You want Rammstein? Get your own - we worked long and hard for this.

:D

(And - what's wrong with Slipknot? Their first album, at least.)

In all fairness, and I say this as an elitist, Rammstein is Industrial just because us industrial-ites wanted them. :) We took Einsturzende Neubauten when all you metalheads didn't want them. We took Laibach when you metalheads didn't want them. You want Rammstein? Get your own - we worked long and hard for this.

Oh, all right man, if you want em, take em. Ill be happy to give em up:p

(And - what's wrong with Slipknot? Their first album, at least.)


Ugh. What happened? I thought you were cool;)

Oh, all right man, if you want em, take em. Ill be happy to give em up:p

Ugh. What happened? I thought you were cool;)

Ugh! When did I ever claim (or want!) to be cool?

I like Korn, too. Well, when they're good. So - mainly their first and latest releases, I think.

I was never much of a metalhead, though - I'll take Mushroomhead over Maiden, any day. (WHich is how I know Rammstein aren't metal, see?)

I do quite like Kamelot, though... I hear they're metal.

Metallica is always going to be my favorite metal band. Although Motorhead is right up there with them. I'm also a sucker for the old-school hair metal like Motley Crue or Poison or GnR.

Voted for 'em all...

\../_

I listen to all kinds of stuff and I really don;t give two shits about how people categorize it, so I clicked some poll options.

I like the kind where, after listening to it, I say to myself "hey, that was pretty good." The subgenres aren't really helpful.

Hahaha, just got The Great Kat's album "Beethoven on Speed". Comic gold.

So are you all lazy but creative people with low self-esteem as described in this article or is it the simplistic pop science I think it is?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm

So are you all lazy but creative people with low self-esteem as described in this article or is it the simplistic pop science I think it is?

The latter.

As I mentioned earlier, Im a huge black metal fan, but as far as the 'scene' goes, Im far more partial to the thrash and death metal scene. The comradery you find at shows there is awesome, random people buying you beers, stuff like that. You find that at some black metal shows, but not enough.

The main problem with the black metal scene is that it is infected/dominated by homophobes, racists, Nazis and other neo-fascist assholes. I tend to shy away from the musicians who are like that (I can seperate the music from the artist, problem is most NSBM - National Socialist Black Metal - is awful musically anyway), but the scene is still crawling with 'em. And then there are people like Natterfrost (Carpathian Forest), who while a great musician, is just...eck.

So are you all lazy but creative people with low self-esteem as described in this article or is it the simplistic pop science I think it is?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7598549.stm

I'm rather the opposite actually.

Hey Nanatsu checked that she liked black metal. I didnt know that.

Hey Nanatsu checked that she liked black metal. I didnt know that.

Oh, but I do. As I have said in more than one occasion, my musical tastes cover a wide range or genres.

So are you all lazy but creative people with low self-esteem

i am, pretty much.

Low self-esteem: check (better than it used to be though)
creative: check
not hard-working: nope, but i would be if i could
not outgoing: check
gentle: check, apart from when i'm a big, clumsy ogre
at ease: with what? gonna say nope.

"The general public has held a stereotype of heavy metal fans being suicidally depressed and of being a danger to themselves and society in general. But they are quite delicate things."

when i was at uni, and into my metal more than i am today, i was indeed suicidally depressed. but people who know me well probably know i'm a sensitive, delicate little flower :p

it might be utter bunk, but, for me, as i have become less depressed i've become a fan of a much wider range of music

Yeah, see, Im going to have to disagree. I think if youre listening to grindcore, something has definitally gone wrong :p

Oh? In that case I just don't want to be right!

Favourite is easily doom metal - bands like Electric Wizard, Candlemass, St Vitus, early Sabbath, Solitude Aeturnus, Cathedral, etc.

Overclassification can get silly but I also like bands characterised as stoner metal, drone, post-metal, industrial metal and some black metal (although as already mentioned the scene is rife with racists...favourite here is probably Emperor) Also a fan of Bathory and I like some thrash. I'm open to most metal really...

Emperor and Bathory are also present in my music collection, which means that I've got it on cd. People who claim to be ardent music lovers but only have a computer with mp3's shouldn't expect any respect from me.

For people who want to know the ugly truth about black metal, I recommend reading Lords Of Chaos by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Søderlind. I got it for my birthday, it proved to be a compelling read.

Hey, it's suspiciously silent over here! Well, I guess I should replace "Babyteeth" by Therapy? with a fresh cd.

Epic/power and symphonic are the types I really like. Of course, I listen to a bit of progressive/technical, more out of curiosity than anything else.

Blind Guardian remains as my only "favourite" metal band. Favourite in the sense that I would say I like most of their work, and that I listen to them consistently. The "Nightfall in Middle Earth" album is one of the few CDs I can listen from beginning to end without interrumptions.

Emperor and Bathory are also present in my music collection, which means that I've got it on cd. People who claim to be ardent music lovers but only have a computer with mp3's shouldn't expect any respect from me.
Well, I don't think that's really fair. I personally prefer to have a physical copy of the music I enjoy. But thinking about that a little more, I have something on the order of 500 CDs...thats probably about $10,000 worth if I think of the price I paid when they were new. Now if I added the time I spent searching for each one of those albums, especially considering a lot of obscure metal is hard to track down and I need to travel quite a bit to get to some decent stores...


Now if i'd instead invested that time and money into playing and creating my own music, i'd be pretty fucking good, and I certainly think my right to consider myself a music lover would be secure, even if my bower-bird tendency to hoard shinies wouldn't be as prominent. So yeah, I can see why people just download it.

Black metal and folk/viking metal. Blackened viking metal kicks ass. :D

Heavy, Thrash, Symphonic, plus a little Epic/Power, Death, Black and Speed.

Metallica, Godsmack, Disturbed, Ozzy/Black Sabbath, Nirvana, linkin park, Korn, A perfect circle, AC/DC, The Smashing Pumpkins, Rush, KISS, Pink Floyd, Guns 'N Roses, Aerosmith. Just to name the few that I could think of right now..

I don't really have a specific sub-genre favourite, but metal-type musics that I've liked recently include...

Between the Buried and Me, Cynic, Estatic Fear, Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Genghis Tron, Hollenthon, Mirrorthrone, Pin-Up Went Down, Sigh, Unexpect.

...to be honest, I now listen to pretty much whatever last.fm tells me to listen to, since it seems to have a fairly good idea of what I'll like. I can tell you what I don't like though - cheesy metal bands from the 70s and 80s.

I don't really have a specific sub-genre favourite, but metal-type musics that I've liked recently include...

Between the Buried and Me, Cynic, Estatic Fear, Eternal Tears of Sorrow, Genghis Tron, Hollenthon, Mirrorthrone, Pin-Up Went Down, Sigh, Unexpect.

...to be honest, I now listen to pretty much whatever last.fm tells me to listen to, since it seems to have a fairly good idea of what I'll like. I can tell you what I don't like though - cheesy metal bands from the 70s and 80s.

Oh my god! I thought DI fell off the planet or something...

Oh my god! I thought DI fell off the planet or something...

Nope. I have not been the victim of any gravitational anomalies. University broke up for the Easter holidays, so I'm back at home, using a computer with a failing hard drive and incredibly slow interweb connection. I'm having to wait over half an hour for it to start up and deal with it freezing for about a quarter of an hour at regular intervals; consequently I've been rationing computer usage for the sake of the last remains of my sanity.

Well, I don't think that's really fair.

Well, the world isn't really fair. Mind you, I'm pretty much into obscure underground releases too. What I tend to do is to buy cd's directly from bands when they perform live, while eBay enabled me to get my hands on quite a few interesting titles for very reasonable prices. Clearance sales have also been instrumental in expanding my collection. When you take the time to look around, you can buy more music for your money.

For people who want to know the ugly truth about black metal, I recommend reading Lords Of Chaos by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Søderlind. I got it for my birthday, it proved to be a compelling read.

Its a good read, but when the various members of the Black Circle all say that its not really accurate (Fenriz has been the most vocal) I dont know if Id say its the truth;)

Fortunately it's not like the Norwegian Black Circle was the final word in all things metal. Much to the dismay of the corpsepainted legions, of course, but their grief never was mine to share.

I've met a fair few metal fans, and one thing they have in common is that they usually disagree on what kind of metal is actually good. Metal is probably one of the most diverse genre groupings, and I wanted to see what the metal heads of NSG liked.

Personally, I'm partial to folk, symphonic and power/epic metal, although I am gaining an appreciation for tech and prog.

Well, a lot of the metal I like is fairly obscure and some of it is fairly debatable as metal. Mostly Black Sabbath, huge fan of their early work, and I like a lot of proto-metal (a la The Who live, Sir Lord Baltimore, Bloodrock, Deep Purple, even more obscure ones like Blues Creation) Of course there is a lot I like which is more traditionally metal, usually closer to speed metal or NWOBHM (Mercyful Fate, Motorhead, Metallica, Megadeth, Venom, Raven)

thrash metal is the best metal.

Symphonic, epic/power, and heavy are my favorites.

My two favorite metal bands are Within Temptation and Manowar. Metallica, Hammerfall, and Dream Evil also rock.

Symphonic, epic/power, and heavy are my favorites.

My two favorite metal bands are Within Temptation and Manowar. Metallica, Hammerfall, and Dream Evil also rock.

Hells yes! Listening to some right now!

FM2000 and Iron Miaden right now. Just starting to get into metal.

FM2000 and Iron Miaden right now. Just starting to get into metal.

Welcome to the club, prepare to have your eardrums exploded..ed!

Welcome to the club, prepare to have your eardrums exploded..ed!

What? Speak up, I can't hear you! :tongue:

I ticked all of the boxes.This.

Yeah, see, Im going to have to disagree. I think if youre listening to grindcore, something has definitally gone wrong:pYou're right, to a degree, but some grindcore bands are fantastic. Napalm Death is in the top 5 of all metal bands.

(I can seperate the music from the artist,I can't. I'm unwilling to give my money to someone who's going to use it to spread those kinds of viewpoints, and if I'm not willing to pay money for it, it's not worth listening to.

People who claim to be ardent music lovers but only have a computer with mp3's shouldn't expect any respect from me. This.

Bloodrock, Blues Creation*wikis*
*is intrigued*

Fortunately it's not like the Norwegian Black Circle was the final word in all things metal. Much to the dismay of the corpsepainted legions, of course, but their grief never was mine to share.

No, but when a large portion of the book is about them, their opinion on what the truth is holds a lot more water.

thrash metal is the best metal.

yes, yes it is.

Way old school here.

Kinks, Who, Cream, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Steppenwolf , Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple, KISS, Def Leppard, Quiet Riot, Ozzy Osbourne, Van Halen, Scorpions, Mötley Crüe, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden... ya'll get the idea...

yes, yes it is.

Nope. Old school FTW. The rest is a pale imitation...

No, but when a large portion of the book is about them, their opinion on what the truth is holds a lot more water.

You've got a point there, but the concept of 'truth' is a slippery one. The human brain is not the most trustworthy recording device, and other evidence can often be interpreted in several ways. And let's not even start about the psychological conditions of those lads back in the nineties.

You've got a point there, but the concept of 'truth' is a slippery one. The human brain is not the most trustworthy recording device, and other evidence can often be interpreted in several ways. And let's not even start about the psychological conditions of those lads back in the nineties.

Haha, this is fair. To be honest, if anyone but Fenriz had pointed out that the book wasnt entirely accurate, Id have brushed it off (well, maybe Id have listened if it was Ishan or Abbath). But since it came from one of the guys in the Circle who was a relatively normal, functioning human being...:p

A relatively normal, functioning human being, eh? That pretty much describes me. Mind you, I'm of the opinion that Fenriz is a relaxed individual with a healthy sense of humor these days, but back in the early nineties he and his comrades might have been a bit less stable (which is not too uncommon for people in their teenage years and their early twenties, of course).

I picked black metal and thrash, but I'm mostly into grindcore/crust punk/powerviolence/emoviolence/thrashcore sounding stuff.

Nothing wrong with an unhealthy overdose of grind and crust. Napalm Death and Discharge keep finding their way to my cd player. My most recent discovery is the album "Doublewalker" by Furnace, pretty good and intense stuff in the vein of From Ashes Rise, His Hero Is Gone and The Endless Blockade.

Aaaaah Napalm Death.

Lamb of God's new album Wrath is most excellent. i can't believe its taken me this long to getting round to listening to it :$

Nope. Old school FTW. The rest is a pale imitation...

well, of course its awesome (i listen to a lot of old school stuff)... but thrash does rule ;)


edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5tl2_K-d-g :D

Lamb of God's new album Wrath is most excellent. i can't believe its taken me this long to getting round to listening to it

Im choking back vomit right now:p

Im choking back vomit right now:p

and just what is wrong with LOG?

and just what is wrong with LOG?

Everything. Them being Metalcore has a lot to do with it.

Everything. Them being Metalcore has a lot to do with it.

meh.

Everything. Them being Metalcore has a lot to do with it.

Please don't everr lump crappy metal like Lamb of God in with Botch, Converge and Shai Hulud. Kthx?

well, of course its awesome (i listen to a lot of old school stuff)... but thrash does rule ;)


edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5tl2_K-d-g :D

:tongue: That rivals American Hair Band for greatest metal anthem!

Please don't everr lump crappy metal like Lamb of God in with Botch, Converge and Shai Hulud. Kthx?

Ick. Ill lump em in with them because theyre just as bad, if not as trendy.

Ick. Ill lump em in with them because theyre just as bad, if not as trendy.

Lol @ Converge being trendy.

Lamb of God is metal for MTV kids, there's lots of similarly bad/trendy metalcore floating around right now. Not all bad metal is metalcore, and not all metalcore is trendy shit.

I love Tool! Are they considered Metal? I also like Opeth. What genre would Opeth be?

Tool's alternative/prog metal, so you're in.

Tool's alternative/prog metal, so you're in.

TOOL isnt metal. And there is no such thing as "alternative metal".

Yes there is...give me a minute to find a site and I can prove it.

TOOL isnt metal. And there is no such thing as "alternative metal".

And proof of Tool being metal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

Proof of alternative metal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal

Yes there is...give me a minute to find a site and I can prove it.

One thing that you always have to keep in mind with discussions such as these is that it's usually not worth the effort responding to such statements. Saying that certain kinds of metal aren't true or some other subjective value is an opinion and nothing more.

That being said, it's now time for me to shock the more orthodox fans of the various metal genres by confessing that I have a soft spot for techno/industrial remixes of death & black metal songs.

Lead.

And proof of Tool being metal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

Proof of alternative metal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal

Wikipedia is wrong. Especially about TOOL being metal.

Finntroll, Korpiklaani, Turisas, Ensiferum, Thyrfing, Tyr, 'nuff said.

Spinal Tap.

Tap rock.

I mean, how much more black could they be? And the answer is: none. None more black.

A little Creeping Death? Especially today.

Finntroll, Korpiklaani, Turisas, Ensiferum, Thyrfing, Tyr, 'nuff said.

That's a nice list of bands you got there. I saw Týr perform live in the Dutch town of Hellendoorn last weekend, together with Adorned Brood, Heidevolk and Alestorm. Not only are they agreeable lads, they also play good music! Their new album is going to feature several tracks that are real catchy.

That's a nice list of bands you got there. I saw Týr perform live in the Dutch town of Hellendoorn last weekend, together with Adorned Brood, Heidevolk and Alestorm. Not only are they agreeable lads, they also play good music! Their new album is going to feature several tracks that are real catchy.

Finntroll and Korpiklaani kick butt.

Blind Guardian remains as my only "favourite" metal band. Favourite in the sense that I would say I like most of their work, and that I listen to them consistently. The "Nightfall in Middle Earth" album is one of the few CDs I can listen from beginning to end without interrumptions.

:fluffle:

That's easily one of my favorite albums of all time, of course, it helps that I'm a Tolkien nut. :)

...I have to mention Dethklok, only because I'm watching the first two seasons of Metalocalypse. Amusingly awesome.

If you like Dethklok, you might also want to check out Zimmer's Hole. Gene Hoglan plays the drums in that band as well, together with the guys from Strapping Young Lad (minus Devin Townsend, that is).