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Since most of the euro-skeptical objections are about the loss of national sovereignity, I was wondering:

would some of these objections fall if the EuroParliament would have two branches: one representing population (hence bigger countries would elect more MEPs) and one representing countries (same number of seats for each country), like the US parliament?

By this reform, EU laws would pass only with a double majority (population AND countries).

Of course this would require to abolish the Council of Europe (which would become a duplicate).

So, what do you think?

Since most of the euro-skeptical objections are about the loss of national sovereignity, I was wondering:

would some of these objections fall if the EuroParliament would have two branches: one representing population (hence bigger countries would elect more MEPs) and one representing countries (same number of seats for each country), like the US parliament?

By this reform, EU laws would pass only with a double majority (population AND countries).

Of course this would require to abolish the Council of Europe (which would become a duplicate).

So, what do you think?
Not a bad idea. I never saw the point of the Council of Europe, I thought they should merge the 2.

Since most of the euro-skeptical objections are about the loss of national sovereignity, I was wondering:

would some of these objections fall if the EuroParliament would have two branches: one representing population (hence bigger countries would elect more MEPs) and one representing countries (same number of seats for each country), like the US parliament?

By this reform, EU laws would pass only with a double majority (population AND countries).

Of course this would require to abolish the Council of Europe (which would become a duplicate).

So, what do you think?

Why not just petition the US Congress for statehood?

Why not just petition the US Congress for statehood?

Because the combined population of the EU would turn the US further to the left than most people want it.

Since most of the euro-skeptical objections are about the loss of national sovereignity, I was wondering:

would some of these objections fall if the EuroParliament would have two branches: one representing population (hence bigger countries would elect more MEPs) and one representing countries (same number of seats for each country), like the US parliament?

By this reform, EU laws would pass only with a double majority (population AND countries).

Of course this would require to abolish the Council of Europe (which would become a duplicate).

So, what do you think?
The Council of the European Union (also known as the Council of Ministers) already does this, albeit through a system of qualified majority voting and, for some issues, unanimity. The European Commission is direct one state one representative, but that is an executive, rather than a legislative, body.

I'm not a euro-skeptic, but I still think it's a good idea and makes a nice compromise.

Why not just petition the US Congress for statehood?

Because stars are cool but stripes are demodè.
Also because the US congress would be dominated by the european countries (larger population).
Also because the US economy would be dominated by the german, french, british and italian exports.
Also I don't see the european monarchs pledging allegiance to the US.
Naah. No way, too much tensions coming. Better keep the pond the way it is.

The Council of the European Union (also known as the Council of Ministers) already does this, albeit through a system of qualified majority voting and, for some issues, unanimity. The European Commission is direct one state one representative, but that is an executive, rather than a legislative, body.

Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw the OP's proposal.

Im going to claim retarded American on this one, :)


Ive read about the EU, but, it escapes me what the CoE was supposed to do anyway...

I picked for it to disband, for no reason other than they keep theoretically topping us in Wiki Lists, lol...

would some of these objections fall if the EuroParliament would have two branches: one representing population (hence bigger countries would elect more MEPs) and one representing countries (same number of seats for each country), like the US parliament?
By this reform, EU laws would pass only with a double majority (population AND countries).
So, what do you think?
Needless complication without any sensible effect.

Also because the US economy would be dominated by the german, french, british and italian exports.
Not so bad if they turn out cheaper than Chinese and Korean.

(Otherwise, Americans will by the cheaper ones.)

Ive read about the EU, but, it escapes me what the CoE was supposed to do anyway...

It's akin to the "Board of directors" to the "company" of the EU? savvy?

Not so bad if they turn out cheaper than Chinese and Korean.

(Otherwise, Americans will by the cheaper ones.)

Thats what im sittin here saying...Its like, who cares, since Americans arent making it anyway...

Now, if we could just get those Europeans to build the factories here, Id say itd be a good bargain...

It's akin to the "Board of directors" to the "company" of the EU? savvy?

I kinda figured, but, its pointless for me to put up a debate without knowing many specifics...;)