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So Madonna wants to adopt another kid from Malawi

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7966255.stm

Good opportunity for the child or vacuous popstar treating a child as a fashion accessory?

Is she naming it "Tinkerbell"?

Eh, I figure if she actually gives the kid the chance to succeed it can't be all bad. Better than spending the money on something useless like carbon offsets or Bling water.

A shallow publicity stunt, and nothing more.

Eh, I figure if she actually gives the kid the chance to succeed it can't be all bad. Better than spending the money on something useless like carbon offsets or Bling water.

Seems like it must be a terrible culture shock to a child to be taken from poverty in Malawi to life with an extremely rich American.

Sarcasm : you're doin' it rong

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand

*crickets*

As much as I hate to defend Madonna: as long as she gives the kid a good home what is the problem here? It's nice that a celebrity's doing good. And maybe she'll have her hands to full to make music.

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand

You do realise that she has had two biological children?

And I would totally hit that.

And I would totally hit that.

*crickets stop chirping*

A shallow publicity stunt, and nothing more.

^^ This

And I would totally hit that.

Why?

....



Why?

Because I find her sexually attractive.

Why?

Someone has to. *shrug*

*crickets*

mental images hurrah

You do realise that she has had two biological children?

well yeah (I thought it was one:confused:) but she could really get a child in a much less Micheal Jackson way

also as its coming up yeah I would do her and tell all my friends about it

Because I find her sexually attractive.

Whatever floats your boat man.

Whatever floats your boat man.

haven't you got some small breasted tomboys to fap over :p

...wait how about this. (http://triton.imageshack.us/Himg201/scaled.php?server=201&filename=6a00e54fb7301c883400e55.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480)

What?
SHe is helping to make it easy for people from other countries to adopt orphaned children from one of the world's least developed countries. She is doing good in the world. It doesn't matter if she is getting publicity out of it if ultimately it saves or improves a child's life.

What?
SHe is helping to make it easy for people from other countries to adopt orphaned children from one of the world's least developed countries. She is doing good in the world. It doesn't matter if she is getting publicity out of it if ultimately it saves or improves a child's life.

Well the last child she adopted wasn't an orphan his father was still alive just very poor. How exactly is taking a child away from their parent and their culture doing good in the world? Was taking native American children or the children of Australian aborigines away from their parents and sending them to schools to learn western culture doing good in the world?

SNIP

I don't know the whole rich people exploiting desperately poor communities for children seems a bit off to me

hence why she had to fight uphill to adopt that black kid

So Madonna wants to adopt another kid from Malawi

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7966255.stm

Good opportunity for the child or vacuous popstar treating a child as a fashion accessory?

I'd be offended, but to be honest, being the fashion accessory of a pop star is not a bad life.

Well the last child she adopted wasn't an orphan his father was still alive just very poor. How exactly is taking a child away from their parent and their culture doing good in the world? Was taking native American children or the children of Australian aborigines away from their parents and sending them to schools to learn western culture doing good in the world?

The father wanted it that way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15429329

I'd be offended, but to be honest, being the fashion accessory of a pop star is not a bad life.

Ever seen Mommie Dearest?

Well the last child she adopted wasn't an orphan his father was still alive just very poor. How exactly is taking a child away from their parent and their culture doing good in the world? Was taking native American children or the children of Australian aborigines away from their parents and sending them to schools to learn western culture doing good in the world?

Well, it's a better life. I admit, the child deserves much better than Madonna. Children deserve Smunkee. But she can't adopt us all. :(

Ever seen Mommie Dearest?

Once when upset, I called my mom that.

Don't do that.

haven't you got some small breasted tomboys to fap over :p

small breast tom boys or small breast goth girls. Either one will work for me.

Once when upset, I called my mom that.

Don't do that.

It's a film about Joan Crawford.

Well the last child she adopted wasn't an orphan his father was still alive just very poor. How exactly is taking a child away from their parent and their culture doing good in the world? Was taking native American children or the children of Australian aborigines away from their parents and sending them to schools to learn western culture doing good in the world?

The child gets good food, healthcare and a proper education and hopefully a decent chance at a childhood. Then, if they want they can go back to their country to put their talents to work. It would be better if the entire family was financed like this, of course, but the likely truth is that many of these children would have died from preventable diseases if they weren't adopted.

It's a film about Joan Crawford.

Yes, I know.

No Wire Hangers!!!

It's a film about Joan Crawford.

Didn't Madonna dress up as Joan Crawford in some of her videos?

Yes, I know.

Oh, sorry.

Didn't Madonna dress up as Joan Crawford in some of her videos?

I don't know.

if she gets to adopt this child it will be in violation of malawi policy that doesnt allow adopting out children to single mothers, divorced women, or women of loose morals.

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand

Is not the population large enough as it is?

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand
I'd do it for money. How much is getting this Malawi kid gonna cost her? Probably a lot more than $500, and that's my price for fathering offspring (not that anyone has taken me up on the offer, but you can't make a sale if you don't at least enter the showroom).
Is not the population large enough as it is?
All life is disgusting, but what are you going to do? As long as we're alive, we're losing, and when everyone dies, no one wins.

All life is disgusting, but what are you going to do? As long as we're alive, we're losing, and when everyone dies, no one wins.

I do not think you understand my point: The world is overpopulated, there is starvation, there is pollution. Many children do not have parents. Every time a child is born he adds to the mess, and every time a child is adopted things are fixed ever so slightly.

Save the Children Charity are asking her to reconsider her adoption now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7969416.stm

"For the most part so-called orphans in poor countries tend to have family still available to them, if not actually a parent still living.

"It is vital, we say, that children should not be taken abroad to be looked after but should be cared for in their own environment by their own community, ideally by their own family, particularly their extended family."

Option 2.

Wait, when you're a celebrity its suddenly a publicity stunt to do something decent like adopt a child? Or is their something I'm missing here?

Wait, when you're a celebrity its suddenly a publicity stunt to do something decent like adopt a child? Or is their something I'm missing here?

Aren't there plenty of orphans in the US?

Aren't there plenty of orphans in the US?

Of course - but life as an orphan in the US tends to be much better than life as an orphan in a third world country.

Of course - but life as an orphan in the US tends to be much better than life as an orphan in a third world country.

Isn't it better to be an orphan in your own country rather than whisked off to a completely different culture away from all your relatives?

Aren't there plenty of orphans in the US?

So, petty tribalism (or racism) that says "fuck the third World children?" That's your reason?

So, petty tribalism (or racism) that says "fuck the third World children?" That's your reason?

How the hell do you get that from what I am posting? Different continents and cultures is petty tribalism?

Isn't it better to be an orphan in your own country rather than whisked off to a completely different culture away from all your relatives?

Depends. Is living in poverty with a high chance of fatal diseases and being forced to perform manual labour 18 hours/day when you are 9 years old in your own country better or worse than enjoying the results of that labour in comfort in another ?

Somewhere the balance just tips over.

Depends. Is living in poverty with a high chance of fatal diseases and being forced to perform manual labour 18 hours/day when you are 9 years old in your own country better or worse than enjoying the results of that labour in comfort in another ?

Somewhere the balance just tips over.

Well couldn't she adopt a US child and put money into charity work in Malawi? Or is it that she sees some kudos in adopting an African baby - is she just trying to keep up with Angelina?

How the hell do you get that from what I am posting? Different continents and cultures is petty tribalism?

I'm sorry if I missunderstood, but it seemed to me like you were saying that it was wrong not to put American children's needs first.

I'm sorry if I missunderstood, but it seemed to me like you were saying that it was wrong not to put American children's needs first.

I am saying it is wrong not to put the needs of the child first.

I am saying it is wrong not to put the needs of the child first.

In that case, would it not depend on the individual circumstances of the child in question? If they have a decent family to take care of them, then I'd think taking them here would be nothing short of kidnapping. But if they've got no one, should we leave them in some genocidal, AIDS-ridden shit hole because they happened to be born and raised their?

Poor kid. Having to put up with her annoying fake British accent.

In that case, would it not depend on the individual circumstances of the child in question? If they have a decent family to take care of them, then I'd think taking them here would be nothing short of kidnapping. But if they've got no one, should we leave them in some genocidal, AIDS-ridden shit hole because they happened to be born and raised their?

Well the first child she adopted had father and other family. I remember seeing once a list of the most stressful things people face, moving house was one of the top ones. I am thinking for a child being taken away from your surviving parent and remaining family, away from you own country and friends, might be just a little bit more traumatic.

Poor kid. Having to put up with her annoying fake British accent.
its probably gone by since shes moved back to the US. now poor rocco will end up with a michigan accent.

its probably gone by since shes moved back to the US. now poor rocco will end up with a michigan accent.

ooow, that's even worse.

OOOPS madonna was denied the chance to adopt by a malawian judge.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/03/madonnas-malawi-adoption-_n_182707.html

this judge seems to have decided that madonna isnt eligible to wave the 18month residency requirement that she was allowed to wave when she adopted her son.

OOOPS madonna was denied the chance to adopt by a malawian judge.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/03/madonnas-malawi-adoption-_n_182707.html

this judge seems to have decided that madonna isnt eligible to wave the 18month residency requirement that she was allowed to wave when she adopted her son.

Well, it was kind of awkward anyway. When she asked the kid if he knew who she was, the kid said "Uh... Angela Lansbury?"

Just saw the result on the BBC, a good decision in my opinion.

Why doesn't she just start an orphanage or in some other way do something to benefit a whole horde of kids instead of being the Hand of Prosperity for just one or three?

Just saw the result on the BBC, a good decision in my opinion.
i suppose there will be an appeal and that madonna will end up leaving the country with the child.

but if she wasnt rich and famous there is no way that malawi would allow a 50 year old single mother of sketchy morals to take a child out of the country to finish an adoption (or to adopt at all).

Why doesn't she just start an orphanage or in some other way do something to benefit a whole horde of kids instead of being the Hand of Prosperity for just one or three?
she is supposedly building a girls school there.

she is supposedly building a girls school there.

Isn't that good enough? I guess not.

The only person who has reason to complain is the kid standing next to the adopted kid at the Malawi Child Store.

Seems like it must be a terrible culture shock to a child to be taken from poverty in Malawi to life with an extremely rich American.I know it. It would be better if Madonna went to poverty and the kids family became extremely rich in turn. Though of course each of Madonna's kids would get a couple million first to be fair to them.

If she looks after the child and gives it a good home, food etc. Then why can't she have an orphan from Malawi>?

If she looks after the child and gives it a good home, food etc. Then why can't she have an orphan from Malawi>?
because she doenst meet the malawian requirements for adoption.

What are the MAlawian requirements for adoption?

What are the MAlawian requirements for adoption?
you have to live in malawi for the 18 month adoption evaluation period.

and i think they dont adopt to single mothers or to women of sketchy morals.

you have to live in malawi for the 18 month adoption evaluation period.
Which, given the conditions of most of Africa, is a silly requirement.

Which, given the conditions of most of Africa, is a silly requirement.
i dont think that malawi is interested in making an industry of adopting out its children.

okay seriously can't this women just have a baby it would save her so much trouble.

if you'd bang Madonna please raise your right hand

* also raises right hand * I can lie back and think about the late 80's right?

So Madonna wants to adopt another kid from Malawi

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7966255.stm

Good opportunity for the child or vacuous popstar treating a child as a fashion accessory?

Why can't it be both?

she is supposedly building a girls school there.

This might sound sexist, but why not just build a school, instead of a girls school? You never see people building girls hospitals or girls wells why girls schools?

This might sound sexist, but why not just build a school, instead of a girls school? You never see people building girls hospitals or girls wells why girls schools?

because in many countries girls get medical treatments and water but only boys learn how to read.

because in many countries girls get medical treatments and water but only boys learn how to read.

Is that because the existing schools are sexist, or because of the morals [or lack thereof] of the country in question? Not trolling, asking seriously.

Is that because the existing schools are sexist, or because of the morals [or lack thereof] of the country in question? Not trolling, asking seriously.
im not familiar with how things work in africa. i had to look malawi up on google earth when madonna adopted the first kid. for all i know madonna is making a girls school because thats what oprah did.

but one of the big problems in all the developing world is the disregard for women and girls. they get less education, less medical care, less food. giving extra help to women and girls is a revolutionary act that helps the whole society.