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This "Uhuru Movement" is holding a vigil for the guy who shot and killed 4 cops while being out on parole.

http://cbs13.com/local/vigil.shooting.suspect.2.968035.html

I think it's kind of disgusting, and I can't decide if cheering that people got murdered should be covered under the First Amendment. Thoughts?

It is Oakland what do you expect?

As repulsive as I find the criminal and these people in general, yes, it should be protected as a first amendment right. They have the right to speak out in support of someone - regardless of how disgusting he is.

This man killed four cops. He died in the process of doing so. That is not a death to be mourned, but a death to be scorned.

That is all.

As repulsive as I find the criminal and these people in general, yes, it should be protected as a first amendment right. They have the right to speak out in support of someone - regardless of how disgusting he is.

^ This.

If there's one thing we excel at as a nation, it's the art of the publicity stunt.

It is Oakland what do you expect?

You don't live here. Stereotype your own home; I'm sure you can find a lot to say about Texans.

It's moronic and disgusting, but these people are in the minority. The turnout for the officers' memorial was tremendous, and the majority of people in Oakland are condemning this act and supporting the police.

It's unfortunate that this comes on the heels of the BART shooting--it's been used as an excuse to delay the start of trial against the officer involved in that killing, and that's not bound to make anyone feel too trusting or safe.

You don't live here. Stereotype your own home; I'm sure you can find a lot to say about Texans.

I was born in Oakland and lived in (or maybe I should say on) Alameda (for a very short time. My half-sister and half-brother still live in the area so I'm pretty familiar with it.

I'm not surprised. I would be surprised if my sister weren't involved somehow.

And yes, it's pretty disgusting.

As repulsive as I find the criminal and these people in general, yes, it should be protected as a first amendment right. They have the right to speak out in support of someone - regardless of how disgusting he is.

This man killed four cops. He died in the process of doing so. That is not a death to be mourned, but a death to be scorned.

That is all.

The more I think about it, the more I realize I asked a stupid question. If the First Amendment covers Neo-Nazis, then of course it would cover these people. I retract my dumb question, but wish there was a way to keep stuff like this from happening.

The more I think about it, the more I realize I asked a stupid question. If the First Amendment covers Neo-Nazis, then of course it would cover these people. I retract my dumb question, but wish there was a way to keep stuff like this from happening.

Train the police force to set a good example and hope the community respects them.

The more I think about it, the more I realize I asked a stupid question.

There is no such thing as a "stupid question," just stupid answers. ;)

I was born in Oakland and lived in (or maybe I should say on) Alameda (for a very short time. My half-sister and half-brother still live in the area so I'm pretty familiar with it.

I'm not surprised. I would be surprised if my sister weren't involved somehow.

And yes, it's pretty disgusting.

You'd be surprised if your sister WASN'T in support of a murderer? I'm not sure what to say to that. I'd be quite shocked if any of my friends held that view.

I think this is fucking great. You've probably never heard of Carl Drega, patriot and hero. Long live his memory and let his actions be an example for us all.

I'm not familiar with the case in the OP but I'm sure the guy had a reason.

International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement - Pan-African nationalist group with chapters throughout the US.

So basically, blacks defending a black man for the sake of it.

You'd be surprised if your sister WASN'T in support of a murderer? I'm not sure what to say to that. I'd be quite shocked if any of my friends held that view.

My sister, for all she has an ABD in American Literature from Berkeley and is, on paper at least, quite intelligent, for all she spent thirty years teaching at a parochial school in the area, has been infected with the worst kind of unthinking liberalism the kind that has a knee-jerk reaction to anything connected with the government, the military or the police. In the sixties, if her husband had not reined her in, she would have been a Hashbury Hippie and stoned out of her mind. In the seventies and eighties she converted to Wicca and ignored anything about it that smacked of intelligence and went straight for the magical thinking. Everything she did and still does is a knee-jerk, mindless reaction to white male authority. (And yet, strangely, she's fifteen years older than I am). So, I'd be shocked if she didn't hold that view.

We're not close.

This "Uhuru Movement" is holding a vigil for the guy who shot and killed 4 cops while being out on parole.

http://cbs13.com/local/vigil.shooting.suspect.2.968035.html

I think it's kind of disgusting, and I can't decide if cheering that people got murdered should be covered under the First Amendment. Thoughts?

I must point out that as far as the article shows, none of these people have gone so far as to actually be "cheering that people got murdered." While its quite possible some of them are glad he shot the cops, I can easily understand mourning someone without approving of their acts. Actually, aren't some of them quoted as saying they do not approve of his acts? Its possible they're full of shit, but unless you're a mind reader, how do you know?

In short, don't allow emotion at something you find distasteful to provoke you into making baseless accusations.

This "Uhuru Movement" is holding a vigil for the guy who shot and killed 4 cops while being out on parole.

http://cbs13.com/local/vigil.shooting.suspect.2.968035.html


Those Trekkies should just move out of their parents basement.

Those Trekkies should just move out of their parents basement.

Damn you beat me to it. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovelle_Mixon
On Friday, the day before Mixon murdered the police officers, Oakland police learned that Mixon was linked by DNA to the February 2009 rape of a 12-year-old girl who was dragged off the street at gunpoint in the East Oakland neighborhood where Mixon's sister lived. Investigators said that he may have committed as many as five other rapes in the same neighborhood during recent months.

Yeah, I'm not a fan.

Looking at the wiki article it seems the vast majority of people in the neighbourhood have rejected what the Uhuru Movement are doing.

I think this is fucking great. You've probably never heard of Carl Drega, patriot and hero. Long live his memory and let his actions be an example for us all.

I'm not familiar with the case in the OP but I'm sure the guy had a reason.
As far as the media has reported, his motive was to avoid reincarceration. Not sure how sympathetic a motive that may be.

International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement - Pan-African nationalist group with chapters throughout the US.

So basically, blacks defending a black man for the sake of it.

Awww look. It still thinks it has a clue.

Awww look. It still thinks it has a clue.

Prove me wrong. It's a black interests group defending a black man who killed four cops and has been accused of six rapes. Would this group come out and say this if it was a white man, or a hispanic man, or an Asian man?

Awww look. It still thinks it has a clue.

Haven't you gotten into trouble before for referring to another poster as "it"?

Just went to the Uhuru movement website. They seem pretty angry. I can understand feeling racial discrimination from police officers, seems to be not so very uncommon in America. But is the black community really "under siege" from the Oakland Police? I have absolutely no knowledge of Oakland.

I think this is fucking great. You've probably never heard of Carl Drega, patriot and hero. Long live his memory and let his actions be an example for us all.

I'm not familiar with the case in the OP but I'm sure the guy had a reason.

I'm thinking that the words patriot and hero have different meanings in your reality than they do in normal reality. He killed 2 officers over a minor traffic stop, then hunted down his other victims and ruthlessly murdered them (shooting one of them in the back).

I must point out that as far as the article shows, none of these people have gone so far as to actually be "cheering that people got murdered." While its quite possible some of them are glad he shot the cops, I can easily understand mourning someone without approving of their acts. Actually, aren't some of them quoted as saying they do not approve of his acts? Its possible they're full of shit, but unless you're a mind reader, how do you know?

In short, don't allow emotion at something you find distasteful to provoke you into making baseless accusations.

The man has been in jail multiple times, and was found to be linked to the rape of a child. There is nothing to mourn in the man unless you agree with his actions.

Awww look. It still thinks it has a clue.

Do you not have anything better than ad hominem trolling attacks to offer?

If Oakland doesn't like/support the police, let them go without for any for a while. I'm kinda hoping for a surprise ending!

The man has been in jail multiple times, and was found to be linked to the rape of a child. There is nothing to mourn in the man unless you agree with his actions.

People do not stop being people even when they commit horrendous crimes.

If Oakland doesn't like/support the police, let them go without for any for a while. I'm kinda hoping for a surprise ending!

Good idea! That'll show a dissident minority of the the city population! And if a couple people want to protest the war, let's take away the U.S. Army for a few weeks, too! Got a problem with prices at the grocery store, anyone? No produce for you!

People do not stop being people even when they commit horrendous crimes.



They don't stop being a person but they stop being worth caring about.

I'm thinking that the words patriot and hero have different meanings in your reality than they do in normal reality. He killed 2 officers over a minor traffic stop, then hunted down his other victims and ruthlessly murdered them (shooting one of them in the back).
The man was victimized by the state. They stopped him from performing home improvements because he lacked the paperwork and time. When he tried repair errosion damage the state accused him of changing the course of the river his property sat on. They were unapologetically and callously pushing a man over the edge. He fought the law and the law won in the end but it got a bloody nose in the process.

The man was victimized by the state. They stopped him from performing home improvements because he lacked the paperwork and time. When he tried repair errosion damage the state accused him of changing the course of the river his property sat on. They were unapologetically and callously pushing a man over the edge. He fought the law and the law won in the end but it got a bloody nose in the process.

I'm pretty sure GM was speaking about the man in Oakland who murdered four officers because he didn't want to go to jail for parole violation.

They don't stop being a person but they stop being worth caring about.

I guess that's a matter of opinion. I try to find compassion inside myself for everyone. Sometimes the people who are the most difficult to feel for are the most in need of compassion. The way I treat others says something about who I am, not who they are.

Good for them. Lovell Mixon was born into generational poverty and oppression. It's no surprise that when you treat someone like a criminal, they act like a criminal. It's no surprise that when you criminalize and pathologize African blood, it rebels by acting like your worst imagination.

Lovell bravely faced poverty, a decaying community imposed by the white over-class to provide cheap labor and to provide a target for white rage, poor educational opportunities, a court system that treats black men like dogs, and a dehumanizing prison system that forces men and women into a life of crime and despair.

No matter how many people he killed, he could never do more harm than the system has done to him and his brothers. He could never hope to outdo the evils of colonialism and the continuing heritage of slavery acted out against the African people. Just how many black boys get killed by police in a year? Just how many innocent black boys get thrown in prison, their lives destroyed? Just how many black boys aren't given the education and opportunities they deserve? How many black children do we infect with HIV, do we get addicted to crack cocaine?

Lovell was a victim, and his violence---even if it was not morally good in itself---constituted a heroic and shocking act of defiance against an immoral system. He's a new John Brown. We should not take this as an opportunity to hate black people, but should take the opportunity given by these killings to come together and finally address the underlying grievances of black people and minorities everywhere.

If I were in Oakland, I'd be marching alongside Uhuru.

I should also mention that the allegations of rape is just an old, white supremacist propaganda technique for stirring up fear. Whenever they want to stir up hate against black men, they use this image of the black male as sexually uncontrollable, raping white women, a sexual, sub-human beast. Whether the allegations are actually true is irrelevant (and I doubt it). In light of 200+ years of lynchings of black men on the basis of a sexual caricature, to even raise the issue is inherently racist and inexcusable. Just open your eyes and watch what they are doing.