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This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.

Oh dear, where to start?
The above are good points, but you would probably also need to sort out your labour laws, education system, prison conditions, and environmental laws, I guess.

I'm not an expert, though, so those are just guesses.

lets start with labor laws (would we have to adopt UK spelling ?!?!). What changes there ?

Move to Europe.

Oh wait, no, Turkey proved that that's not a prerequisite.

A land bridge?

Move to Europe.

Oh wait, no, Turkey proved that that's not a prerequisite.

Well in their defense, they do have some land in Europe.

Hmm... Maybe Andorra is for sale. ;)

Move to Europe.

Oh wait, no, Turkey proved that that's not a prerequisite.

My understanding is they allowed cultural ties even if the place was not in Europe.

lets start with labor laws (would we have to adopt UK spelling ?!?!). What changes there ?

As I said, I'm no expert, but I have read reports that the health and safety regulations regarding some jobs in the US are fairly sub-standard. But I'm not even 100% sure if the EU requires standards in that area in order to consider membership.

Well in their defense, they do have some land in Europe.

Hmm... Maybe Andorra is for sale. ;)

It's not, but the Canary Isles are going cheap

*promises not to make another bad pun in his life*

My understanding is they allowed cultural ties even if the place was not in Europe.

Which would be fine, if Turkey was even culturally European.

Which would be fine, if Turkey was even culturally European.

It is, though.

As I said, I'm no expert, but I have read reports that the health and safety regulations regarding some jobs in the US are fairly sub-standard. But I'm not even 100% sure if the EU requires standards in that area in order to consider membership.

So we will depend on other NSGers to bring in facts on that. Or i will go read into the differences between US and EU health and safety regs later.


Moving on to education. what reforms would you expect to see there?

It is, though.

In the sense that Russia is culturally European.

It is, though.

Nah they're not. And even if they are, land mostly in Asia and population mostly in Asia. Best two out of three Turkey loses.

Well in their defense, they do have some land in Europe.

Hmm... Maybe Andorra is for sale. ;)
we do? oh you mean bases. we have those all over the world. i don't know if we would. maybe at the end of the world we would, because of the one world governement, but not before.

Nah they're not. And even if they are, land mostly in Asia and population mostly in Asia. Best two out of three Turkey loses.

Have you ever been there? Or have you ever lived in the EU?
Or are you, as usual, basing your assumption on "they've got the wrong skin colour and I don't like their churches"?

So we will depend on other NSGers to bring in facts on that. Or i will go read into the differences between US and EU health and safety regs later.


Moving on to education. what reforms would you expect to see there?

Again, it was a guess. I know that secondary education inside most EU countries is free, and I know that a good deal of EU funds goes towards insuring that it remains so.

But I think you might be best of just checking the EU web page... they must have the criteria for membership on there somewhere.

Again, it was a guess. I know that secondary education inside most EU countries is free, and I know that a good deal of EU funds goes towards insuring that it remains so.

But I think you might be best of just checking the EU web page... they must have the criteria for membership on there somewhere.

Secondary education meaning high school ? That's free and compulsory here as well.

In the sense that Russia is culturally European.

If Russian isn't European, neither is Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, or any other of those countries.

Cabra's right here, you guys would have to abandon the death penalty and change some labour and environmental laws (I suspect). Also, submitting to the ICC (possibly) and ECoHR, stuff like that.

Moreover, you'd have to make a convincing case that you should be a part of an European Union.

Which would be fine, if Turkey was even culturally European.
If Turkey's not 'culturally European' (by which I take you to mean 'Islamic'), then neither are a large swathe of the Balkans, currently happy and eager members of the EU.

The Cyprus issue and human rights abuses are valid arguments against Turkey's membership; 'culture' isn't.

Secondary education meaning high school ? That's free and compulsory here as well.

No, I was referring to college/university education.

My understanding is they allowed cultural ties even if the place was not in Europe.There are neither territorial, nor cultural requirements to join the EU. Apart from a whole lot of laws and regulations one has to be compliant with, it's just a matter of 'Yay or nay'.

There's nothing that'd principally stop, say, Papua New Guinea from joining the EU, really.

'European' is the appropriate nomer for the EU because it was started by european countries, and at this point, still consists exclusively of european countries. But there's absolutely nothign whatsoever that says it has to remain that way. Hell, Morocco applied to the EU (Well, EEC, back then) decades ago. They got ignored, but not principally rejected.

There are neither territorial, nor cultural requirements to join the EU.
Technically yes, but you'd get a lot of opposition from inside the EU if, say, PNG was mooted to join.

No, I was referring to college/university education.

I normally refer to that as Tertiary education.

I don't know if we could give up our current system. We do have means to help those who can't afford college with interest free loans.

No, I was referring to college/university education.

It's generally referred to teritiary education I believe. Actually a lot of countries the universities aren't free, but they are publically funded and with government supported bursaries/loans to ensure that finances should not be an overly large factor in which university to attended (for example, in the UK it costs the same to go to University of Oxford as it does to go to the Northumbria University - the deciding factor is academic ability). But to be honest, I don't think that's a requirement of membership.

Adopting the Euro, and thus getting financial regulations compatible with it currently is for all new members - old ones still have cop-out clauses. As is compliance with Schengen agreement - but I'm not certain on that one.

Edit: apparently states have to fulfill the Copenhagen Criteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria)

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.
I'm from the US, but I'll take a stab at this, probably outlawing the death penalty, the EU would probably want gay marriage leaglization in all states, and US acceptance of the euro as the currency....

I'm from the US, but I'll take a stab at this, probably outlawing the death penalty, the EU would probably want gay marriage leaglization in all states, and US acceptance of the euro as the currency....With the exception of death-penalty abolishment, none of these are a given in all EU countries, so I think it's a safe bet to say that no, wont be required.

I'm from the US, but I'll take a stab at this, probably outlawing the death penalty, the EU would probably want gay marriage leaglization in all states, and US acceptance of the euro as the currency....

Why would the EU want gay marriage recognised?
Not all member recognise it as it is... can you imagine the outrage this would cause in Poland, a country that can barely accept a Christopher Street Day parade in its capital?
Also, the new members don't immediately join the common currency. They need to reach a certain stability in their economy first, as far as I know...

Why would the EU want gay marriage recognised?
Not all member recognise it as it is... can you imagine the outrage this would cause in Poland, a country that can barely accept a Christopher Street Day parade in its capital?
Also, the new members don't immediately join the common currency. They need to reach a certain stability in their economy first, as far as I know...ITT: Americans learning that the EU is not the liberal paradise/ sinful circle of hell/ communist plot it's commonly believed to be.

EDIT: Also, delusional Europeans learning the same thing, too.

No, I was referring to college/university education.
Given the fact that university access isn't free in all German states, I'd think that this wouldn't be a criteria.

I'm from the US, but I'll take a stab at this, probably outlawing the death penalty,

Indeed. Under Protocol 13 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights) the death penalty is abolished.

the EU would probably want gay marriage leaglization in all states, and US acceptance of the euro as the currency....

No and no. Even all EU states at present don't have that.

The United States would never seek, nor receive admission into the European Union.

It's ridiculous to even suggest the idea as a hypothetical.

The United States would never seek, nor receive admission into the European Union.

It's ridiculous to even suggest the idea as a hypothetical.

Well, they are in a really bad way economically right now, but once they've got that sorted, and work on their human rights' record, I don't see why the EU would reject them?

Well, they are in a really bad way economically right now, but once they've got that sorted, and work on their human rights' record, I don't see why the EU would reject them?I'm pretty sure assorted already-admitted eastern european countries' economies were in a worse shape than the US economy is now when they were admitted.

So, not really a problem.

Human rights, well... The death penalty would've to go, but the rest... Quite honestly, no worse than what Eu countries do. Somewhat larger scale (The US being larger scale, this is pretty much an automatism), and considerably greater media coverage, but quite honestly... If the poles can beat up gay pride parades, Italian farmers can happily engage in what amounts to seasonal slavery (Lets not get started on the Berlusconi-democracy in general)...

... I don't really see how the US human rights record is particularly abysmal, compared to what the EU has to offer.

I'm pretty sure assorted already-admitted eastern european countries' economies were in a worse shape than the US economy is now when they were admitted.

So, not really a problem.

Human rights, well... The death penalty would've to go, but the rest... Quite honestly, no worse than what Eu countries do. Somewhat larger scale (The US being larger scale, this is pretty much an automatism), and considerably greater media coverage, but quite honestly... If the poles can beat up gay pride parades, Italian farmers can happily engage in what amounts to seasonal slavery (Lets not get started on the Berlusconi-democracy in general)...

... I don't really see how the US human rights record is particularly abysmal, compared to what the EU has to offer.

Regarding the first point you are of course quite right. However, when the Eastern European countries joined, their economies, while bad, could be judged and evaluated. I think the biggest problem with the US economy at this time is that nobody really knows how much went wrong yet, and how much more might go wrong in the next 3 or 4 years. It's very hard to get an estimate of where they're at, or where they're going.

As for the human rights issues, I think the death penalty is most certainly the biggest issue. It's quite simply unacceptable.

Another issue that might come up might well be their firearms laws... if border controls between the US and EU were to be dropped, I would imagine the EU would see an unprecedented increase in firearms on the black market (something similar happened when Communist Europe opened its borders). I can't see European nations being too happy about that on the whole.

It is, though.

Really?

The United States would never seek, nor receive admission into the European Union.

It's ridiculous to even suggest the idea as a hypothetical.

If you ain't got nothing to say.....

Shush, the US already has a large european colony -- it's called "Great Britain" :p

Seriously, however, we have no land in europe (unless you count the various landbases). There are, however, countries that are only partially in europe...

* The eastern edge of europe is generally considered the Ural mountains, so Russia is something like 30% europe and 70% asia.
* Turkey is mostly asian, but a small bit is west of the sea of the bosphorus (and therefore asian).
* The UK has many islands in the pacific.
* France still has a nice chunk of south america.
* Spain retained a couple of cities in what became morrocco. Naturally, it's a very small anount of landmass, but they ahvearound 70,000 people each.
* Denamark, of coruse, has an even smaller percentage european than Turkey! Greenland is, however, msotly solid ice.
* A bit of westernmost kazakhstan is in europe.
* Georgia is around two-thirds european.
* Azerbaijan is around half european.

Keep in mind, however, that Morocco's application to the EU was turned down, and Israel has to settle for beign an honorary member. On the other hand, Cyprus -- which is fully asian -- is a current member!

Mhm. Well, there's the Atlantic in the way, so just moving them in a car's trunk will be difficult. I do agree that firearms would be a big issue, though - this said, the I <3 Guns lobby in Europe isn't that weak. The issue should be surmountable, and I can see it leading to somewhat more liberal firearms legislation in Europe.

If Russian isn't European, neither is Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, or any other of those countries.

I'd like to explore this a bit further. How, exactly is someone living in Vladivostok more culturally European than someone living in Istanbul?

US becoming a part of EU makes as much sense as Britain becoming a part of Poland.

* Denamark, of coruse, has an even smaller percentage european than Turkey! Greenland is, however, msotly solid ice.Nitpick - AFAIK, polititogeographically (Is this a word? No matter, it should bring its meaning across), Greenland is considered a part of Europe (Unlike, say, French Guayana). Geologically, it makes no sense, of course, but geologically, Europe is just the western tip of Asia, too - in both cases, the geologically-silly split is made due to political realities.

* The UK has many islands in the pacific.


None of which are actually in the EU because of how our overseas territories work. In fact the channel islands and the Isle of Mann aren't either because they are independently governed

* France still has a nice chunk of south america.

Which are in the EU because of how France works it's colonies

* Spain retained a couple of cities in what became morrocco. Naturally, it's a very small anount of landmass, but they ahvearound 70,000 people each.
* Denamark, of coruse, has an even smaller percentage european than Turkey! Greenland is, however, msotly solid ice.

Greenland is also autonomous from Denmark and not in the EU since they voted to leave it after gaining home rule

* A bit of westernmost kazakhstan is in europe.
* Georgia is around two-thirds european.
* Azerbaijan is around half european.

which although having expressed interest are not even formal applicants yet.

Keep in mind, however, that Morocco's application to the EU was turned down, and Israel has to settle for beign an honorary member. On the other hand, Cyprus -- which is fully asian -- is a current member!

Geography is iffy on this - I believe the argument with Cyprus is that it is very much European in culture - much more so than, say, Turkey. Turkey remains iffy but has enough of a cultural and geographic link to be arguable, as do the Southern Caucas nations (eventually). European is a nebulous concept but there are certainly some you can distinctly say aren't it and some you can distinctly say are - others are in that grey area.

US becoming a part of EU makes as much sense as Britain becoming a part of Poland.Was this intentional, or did you accidentally pick the country that - according to quite a number of brits - has more of its people in Britain than in its own borders? <.<

I think that some of the major problems would be:
importance within the US law system of the laws issued by the european parliament
US debt (I don't think the US meet the Maastricht standards)
judiciary system (death penalty, right to appeal, prison inmate conditions)
tarifs
productive process in both industry and agriculture: safety checks, environmental sustainability, use of pesticides
labour regulations
standardisation: road signs, metric system, electric current voltage
healthcare


Anyway, the US joining the EU doesn't make any sense at all. While, on the other hand, Quebec...

If you ain't got nothing to say.....

I *do* have something to say, and that's related to the relevance of this particular subject as a topic of discussion.

Unless I'm mistaken, NS forum roles don't prohibit me from expressing my opinion on the relevance of a subject being discussed.

Mhm. Well, there's the Atlantic in the way, so just moving them in a car's trunk will be difficult. I do agree that firearms would be a big issue, though - this said, the I <3 Guns lobby in Europe isn't that weak. The issue should be surmountable, and I can see it leading to somewhat more liberal firearms legislation in Europe.

Yes, I think that would be a necessary consequence of opening borders in that direction.
More armed criminals, making it eventually necessary to arm the police, more accidental and intended killings... not a nice scenario indeed.

I'd like to explore this a bit further. How, exactly is someone living in Vladivostok more culturally European than someone living in Istanbul?

Who cares? Vladivostok is tiny. The vast majority of the Russian people live in the European west, and adhere to a culture that isn't dissimilar to Ukraine and Poland.

I think that some of the major problems would be:
importance within the US law system of the laws issued by the european parliament
US debt (I don't think the US meet the Maastricht standards)
judiciary system (death penalty, right to appeal, prison inmate conditions)
tarifs
productive process in both industry and agriculture: safety checks, environmental sustainability, use of pesticides
labour regulations
standardisation: road signs, metric system, electric current voltage
healthcare


Anyway, the US joining the EU doesn't make any sense at all. While, on the other hand, Quebec...

The metric system hadn't even occured to me yet...

The US will have a long way to go before they could become a full member indeed.

Mhm. Well, there's the Atlantic in the way, so just moving them in a car's trunk will be difficult. I do agree that firearms would be a big issue, though - this said, the I <3 Guns lobby in Europe isn't that weak. The issue should be surmountable, and I can see it leading to somewhat more liberal firearms legislation in Europe.

The European gun lobby though is a very very different beast to the US one - I don't think anyone in Europe either considered gun ownership a fundamental right or wishes for it to be unregulated. The level of gun ownership does vary across the countries, but in most places were it does exist it's generally either for hunting or sport, I don't think there is a view that guns are necessary or acceptable for self-defence.

In other words, there would be very little popular support for relaxing the gun laws to in any way near those in the US and still does not get around the issue of blackmarket guns.

Was this intentional, or did you accidentally pick the country that - according to quite a number of brits - has more of its people in Britain than in its own borders? <.<
Just like EU. US is a result of European colonists splitting off from their masters, gaining independence. And in time, this splinter colony has surpassed Europe in pretty much everything.

If it's ever to come to a reunion, it will be EU joining the US.

The European gun lobby though is a very very different beast to the US one - I don't think anyone in Europe either considered gun ownership a fundamental right or wishes for it to be unregulated. The level of gun ownership does vary across the countries, but in most places were it does exist it's generally either for hunting or sport, I don't think there is a view that guns are necessary or acceptable for self-defence.

In other words, there would be very little popular support for relaxing the gun laws to in any way near those in the US and still does not get around the issue of blackmarket guns.True, but there'd be plenty of support for relaxing them somewhat. As for the black market... To even take a guess at what the effects could be, I'd have to know more than I do about US firearms legislation. And I know nothing of it.

True, but there'd be plenty of support for relaxing them somewhat.

Depends on where - the UK had probably the strictest firearm legislation but there are many other countries in the EU were it is much more relaxed (but no where near the US). However, even this relaxation is very much in relation to rifles and gun clubs - pretty certain throughout the EU handguns are very well regulated as opposed to the US where they are very common. But someone with more information on US gunlaw would have to fill you in on this as I admit my knowledge is relatively cursory.

The level of gun ownership does vary across the countries, but in most places were it does exist it's generally either for hunting or sport, I don't think there is a view that guns are necessary or acceptable for self-defence.


Here in Italy, firearms aren't seen as necessary for self-defence, but they're acceptable (you have to prove that you need a firearm for self-defence to get a permit to carry a loaded pistol, though. Generally such permits are issued to bodyguards, couriers transporting precious items...)

The USA would have to meet the Copenhagen criteria

The USA would have to meet the Copenhagen criteria

Ssshhh, we'll just conquer a random european country and use that. :p

Just like EU. US is a result of European colonists splitting off from their masters, gaining independence. And in time, this splinter colony has surpassed Europe in pretty much everything.

If it's ever to come to a reunion, it will be EU joining the US.

I'm reasonably sure that economically the EU is now bigger than the US.

I'm reasonably sure that economically the EU is now bigger than the US.

It is according to the IMF and the CIA, but not according to the World Bank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

I'm reasonably sure that economically the EU is now bigger than the US.

Yup on both PPP and Nominal - if you only use Eurozone it's just below it, but that's cutting out the second largest economy in the EU (the UK) so it's not all that surprising.

don't be silly the very foundation of the EU is based on being snooty to the Americans (hence why Britain had a hard time getting membership) the only way the US could join where if France was obliterated off the face of the Earth and Germany got bored


US debt (I don't think the US meet the Maastricht standards)
productive process in both industry and agriculture: safety checks, environmental sustainability, use of pesticides
labour regulations
standardisation: road signs, metric system, electric current voltage
healthcare

O_o

It is according to the IMF and the CIA, but not according to the World Bank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

As mentioned world bank is just looking at Eurozone not all EU.

don't be silly the very foundation of the EU is based on being snooty to the Americans

This is true.

don't be silly the very foundation of the EU is based on being snooty to the Americans

I always thought the whole foundation of the US was based on being arrogant and rude to Europeans?

I always thought the whole foundation of the US was based on being arrogant and rude to Europeans?

This is also true.

I always thought the whole foundation of the US was based on being arrogant and rude to Europeans?

no your thinking of Britain

don't be silly the very foundation of the EU is based on being snooty to the Americans

Well.. to Bush actually. But since he is no longer president, we can now do that together.

Secondary education meaning high school ? That's free and compulsory here as well.

So, you have free high school? Man, we don't have that.

Indeed. Under Protocol 13 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights) the death penalty is abolished.



No and no. Even all EU states at present don't have that.
Intersting to know, the EU may not require it, but would definitely want the US to accept gay marriage, and encoruage the US to do so before entering the EU, if such a scenario actually occured

Well.. to Bush actually. But since he is no longer president, we can now do that together.

I love that attitude. "Look! Bush is gone! We can forget that anything ever happened! No, there was no war in Iraq! Yes, the US is still a respected world leader among nations!".

So, you have free high school? Man, we don't have that.

I heard once that the only things to do in Finland is to shoot things and drink.

Intersting to know, the EU may not require it, but would definitely want the US to accept gay marriage, and encoruage the US to do so before entering the EU, if such a scenario actually occured

Why ? Of all the EU countries, only Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain have same-sex marriages. Only 3 of 27.

Of course, it may require that the USA *recognises* same sex marriages performed in those countries.

Intersting to know, the EU may not require it, but would definitely want the US to accept gay marriage, and encoruage the US to do so before entering the EU, if such a scenario actually occured

Probably not as already said a very small number of EU states actually have gay marriage though a much higher proportion have everythingbutname gay marriage (civil unions, civil partnership etc). I imagine that the US would be required to recognise gay marriages/partnerships performed in other member states though.

On the otherhand I believe the US would have to allow gay servicemen/women to serve openly as it was a case in the EU Court of Human Rights which got the regulations changed in the UK.

I heard once that the only things to do in Finland is to shoot things and drink.

Oh yes, Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, barely had time to create it.

Intersting to know, the EU may not require it, but would definitely want the US to accept gay marriage, and encoruage the US to do so before entering the EU, if such a scenario actually occured

What, do you Americans just make stuff up now so that you can maintain your mental image of this ridiculously hedonistic and amoral Europe?

Poland would leave the EU before it recognised gay marriage. Poland is so conservative that if they hadn't been brutalised in WWII, I'd pick them to be a hotbed of Neo-Nazism; but considering how successful the Nazis have been in Russia, I still wouldn't be surprised.

I love that attitude. "Look! Bush is gone! We can forget that anything ever happened! No, there was no war in Iraq! Yes, the US is still a respected world leader among nations!".

Let us be fair here - the period known as the "cold war" was one of the longest eras of peace on the European mainland. Europe has war-rich history, a fair amount involving genocide. And some of that history is far too recent to dismiss as "the distant past".

Oh yes, Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, barely had time to create it.

See? THAT'S how bored he was, he made Linux.

Torvalds doesn't sounds like a Finnish name...

See? THAT'S how bored he was, he made Linux.

Torvalds doesn't sounds like a Finnish name...

He's Finnish Swedish.

Let us be fair here - the period known as the "cold war" was one of the longest eras of peace on the European mainland. Europe has war-rich history, a fair amount involving genocide. And some of that history is far too recent to dismiss as "the distant past".

Well, that was back when war was a dignified and honourable undertaking. You Americans ruined that with your damned Treaty of Versailles.

He's Finnish Swedish.

Yes, that seems about right.

Well, that was back when war was a dignified and honourable undertaking. You Americans ruined that with your damned Treaty of Versailles.

I fear that I am very much a citizen of the EU ;)

I fear that I am very much a citizen of the EU ;)

Good news; if you're British or French, you're just as much at fault.

Well.. to Bush actually. But since he is no longer president, we can now do that together.

don't be silly we cannot afford to throw away our most precious of European arts
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBlev8r_iCo&feature=related)

Good news; if you're British or French, you're just as much at fault.

Hell if you're British, French or Spanish you can probably take ultimate responsibility for pretty much all the shit happening in the world due to the joys of colonialism.

Actually scrap that, we can probably ultimately trace it all back to us British.

Wouldn't the U.S. have to sign up to the Schengen Treaty? I can see that going down like a ton of bricks...

Hell if you're British, French or Spanish you can probably take ultimate responsibility for pretty much all the shit happening in the world due to the joys of colonialism.

Don't forget the Dutchies with their East India Trading Company. The worlds first stock issuing multinational. The whole current financial crisis is their fault - without stocks it would never have happened !

The genocide committed in the name of profit for that company are of course a mere sideissue. As are the genocides in the former colonies, the involvement in the international slavetrade, the... you get the idea.

Wouldn't the U.S. have to sign up to the Schengen Treaty? I can see that going down like a ton of bricks...

Nay, it's not a pre-requisite. Britian and Ireland didn't sign.

Wouldn't the U.S. have to sign up to the Schengen Treaty? I can see that going down like a ton of bricks...

you already have free movement over US states :tongue:

Wouldn't the U.S. have to sign up to the Schengen Treaty? I can see that going down like a ton of bricks...

Not necessarily. The UK and Ireland opted out of the border controls provisions; I'm sure the US could theoretically do the same.

The whole death penalty thing would have to become illegal.

/dnrthread

Not necessarily. The UK and Ireland opted out of the border controls provisions; I'm sure the US could theoretically do the same.

Yeah, but the older countries get opt outs on all sorts of things that prospective countries have to adhere to.

So, you have free high school? Man, we don't have that.

You don't? the Wiki says you do.

Though Japan and Korea does not have free public education for high school.

I'll rue the day if that were ever to happen.:mad:


:p

I'll rue the day if that were ever to happen.:mad:


:p

If we did I doubt they would ever have voting tied to % of population.

If we did I doubt they would ever have voting tied to % of population.

And you'll make it more complicated, more so than it already is. :wink:

You don't? the Wiki says you do.

Though Japan and Korea does not have free public education for high school.

Could you give me a link? Yes, I should google it but I'm lazy.

Well.. to Bush actually. But since he is no longer president, we can now do that together.

Being snooty to Europeans started long before Bush. Remember your damned tea?

Could you give me a link? Yes, I should google it but I'm lazy.

which one Japan or Finland ?
japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_Japan

Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland

like i said just the Wiki's.
Though Korea I know for certain public HS cost money

My understanding is they allowed cultural ties even if the place was not in Europe.

Cyprus isn't considered part of the continent of Europe either, yet it's part of the EU on the grounds of cultural ties.

which one Japan or Finland ?
japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_Japan

Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland

like i said just the Wiki's.
Though Korea I know for certain public HS cost money

Hm, now I'm not sure. You might have meant yläaste, or ''upper comprehensive school'' as the wiki translates it. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

EDIT: Yup, I was wrong.

Cyprus isn't considered part of the continent of Europe either, yet it's part of the EU on the grounds of cultural ties.

So could we get the same ruling for the US?

Hm, now I'm not sure. You might have meant yläaste, or ''upper comprehensive school'' as the wiki translates it. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

EDIT: Yup, I was wrong.

I just think you thought I was talking about something different.

You don't? the Wiki says you do.

Primary and secondary education SHOULD be free in EU countries, but in general is not. If only because the governments sofar neglected to pick up the book tab.

And you'll make it more complicated, more so than it already is. :wink:

Yeah the US joinging the EU and getting voting rights based on % population could go bad.

US and Eastern European members could out vote Western Europe.

Primary and secondary education SHOULD be free in EU countries, but in general is not. If only because the governments sofar neglected to pick up the book tab.

your countries don't pay for books ?!?!! How barbaric.

Who cares? Vladivostok is tiny. The vast majority of the Russian people live in the European west, and adhere to a culture that isn't dissimilar to Ukraine and Poland.
Seeing as Islam is, according to Russian law (http://books.google.com/books?id=EPP3ti4hysUC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=respecting+christianity+islam+buddhism+judaism+and+other&source=web&ots=pppIldMuS1&sig=KikE3NJkzMEdWt4rU9EoeN03-6o), "an inseparable part of the historical heritage of Russia's peoples", and you think Russian culture fits fine into the EU, why would you perceive Turkey's Islamic culture as being unacceptable?

Would you perceive the Balkan EU member-states with large Muslim populations as being unacceptable?



Intersting to know, the EU may not require it, but would definitely want the US to accept gay marriage...
Why?

Yeah the US joinging the EU and getting voting rights based on % population could go bad.

US and Eastern European members could out vote Western Europe.

Indeed.

Yeah the US joinging the EU and getting voting rights based on % population could go bad.

US and Eastern European members could out vote Western Europe.

Wouldn't the US have like a 40% vote in the EU?

Wouldn't the US have like a 40% vote in the EU?

Perhaps, if one is to consider population percentage and land mass. Not that it matters, you ain't joining!

Perhaps, if one is to consider population percentage and land mass. Not that it matters, you ain't joining!

We wanna. We're gonna team up with Poland and Russia and try to bring the death penalty back to your countries. :p

We wanna. We're gonna team up with Poland and Russia and try to bring the death penalty back to your countries. :p

Don't you have some helmet maintenance to take care of?

Wouldn't the US have like a 40% vote in the EU?
US won't settle for any less than 51%.

Don't you have some helmet maintenance to take care of?

Right after I find the muppet ambassador.

US won't settle for any less than 51%.

I meant measuring strictly by population.

Right after I find the muppet ambassador.

And the toxic torture with Miss Piggy's awesome singing voice?:wink:

Wouldn't the US have like a 40% vote in the EU?

That's why the US would need eastern Europe , hey Poland Latvia etc some aid money if you vote to repeal the statute against the death penalty with us, saw something similar play out within NATO in the run up to the Iraq war.

Basically US + a handful of countries.

thats why the US would need eastern Europe ( hey Poland Latvia etc some aid money if you vote to repeal the statute against the death penalty with us).

Basically US + a handful of countries.

Something that would bring chaos to the union. *nod*

Something that would bring chaos to the union. *nod*

You say Chaos I say FIX.

You say Chaos I say FIX.

You fail!

You fail!

Then the US and eastern Europe vote to make US style gun ownership a right within the EU.

That's why the US would need eastern Europe , hey Poland Latvia etc some aid money if you vote to repeal the statute against the death penalty with us, saw something similar play out within NATO in the run up to the Iraq war.

Basically US + a handful of countries.

We're good at bribery and extortion, you know. We can dominate the EU.
Something that would bring chaos to the union. *nod*

No, it would bring order.

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/191/reviews/932730_20060711_screen001.jpg

No, it would bring order.

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/191/reviews/932730_20060711_screen001.jpg

Your idea of order gives me the hibbie-jibbies.:eek:

Your idea of order gives me the hibbie-jibbies.:eek:

Peace through superior firepower. :p

Your idea of order gives me the hibbie-jibbies.:eek:

And once we join the EU half of those weapons are privately owned.

It would not be worth it for America. At all.

In terms of political alignment, the best thing the U.S. could do would be try to enhance the economic, social, political and militaristic bonds between the Anglo countries.....UK, US, Canda, AUS, NZ . . . and maybe 20 years ago South Africa, maybe.

US should work on increasing economic freedom, trade and relations between those areas, creating an Anglo-economic zone. It would work because, although we vary in our extremes, all of these countries are liberal democracies and share core values.

I think that, while Bush made this idea unappealing to alot of non-Americans, eventually once the stains of the Bush era fade (as opposed to the stains of Clinton era which don't ever fade :D ) this idea will grow in favor. The UK should look towards the Anglo Alliance and away from Europe, as it knows it should. That's where it's future is.

Negotiations will have to be made, but the alliance will focus on a more limited government, a sense of private entrepreneurship, lower taxes, high pripority of efficient market economics and free-trade. Perhaps also free movement throughout the Anglo zone or something like that. Who knows.

Could also me modeled off of the Commonwealth of Independent States that formed after the Soviet Union was defeated:

"The CIS has developed as a forum by which the member-states can co-operate in economics, defense and foreign policy."

Wouldn't be a bad idea.

Would look something like this, minor the light blue countries plus any south and central american countries:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Anglospeak.svg/800px-Anglospeak.svg.png

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/191/reviews/932730_20060711_screen001.jpg

ooo, whats that from?

Peace through superior firepower. :p

I'm going now.

ooo, whats that from?

Google. :D

I'm going now.

you mean acknowledging the US now dominate role within the EU?

I'm going now.

Aww....

Anyone still here and on topic?

Anyone still here and on topic?

What's the topic?

I think for the OP post has been answered. What Europe would want the US would not be willing to deliver. Though I wonder how much the EU would compromise for the US?

What's the topic?

There was a topic?

Ah, the US joining the EU?

No good points there, just plenty of bad, such as..

First of all our sovereignty would be down the shitter, our constitution null and void, and our bill of rights torn up and gone. Citizens would lose their rights of free speech and the right to bear arms, Which could and would lead to tyranny as the citizens couldn't speak out, protest, or overthrow the tyrannical government which controls them.

Citizens would lose other important amendments to the constitution such as the 4th, which guarantees people security in their homes from search and seizure without a warrant. the 9th, which gives us protection of our rights, and more important ones such as the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th.

The United States joining the EU would be a major blow to our (I'm talking about US Citizens) freedoms and our culture, but also our sovereign rights.

By the way, I'm a Libertarian in case you didn't know.

The United States joining the EU would be a major blow to our (I'm talking about US Citizens) freedoms and our culture, but also our sovereign rights.

Nope. EU membership doesn't require anyone to give up their constitutions.

It does not? I assumed it would, as that's what would happen with NAU.

Oh well, my bad for assuming.

First of all our sovereignty would be down the shitter, our constitution null and void, and our bill of rights torn up and gone. Citizens would lose their rights of free speech and the right to bear arms, Which could and would lead to tyranny as the citizens couldn't speak out, protest, or overthrow the tyrannical government which controls them.

Citizens would lose other important amendments to the constitution such as the 4th, which guarantees people security in their homes from search and seizure without a warrant. the 9th, which gives us protection of our rights, and more important ones such as the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th.
I can confidently state that none of the above is true.

What sort of organisation do you think the EU is? And why do you think it would ban/limit trials by jury, free speech and the like?

Some education is in order.

Read above, I stated i thought thats what would happen, as that is what would happen with the NAU.

Unions are never good, it's just one step closer to Globalization.

Ah, the US joining the EU?

No good points there, just plenty of bad, such as..

First of all our sovereignty would be down the shitter, our constitution null and void, and our bill of rights torn up and gone. Citizens would lose their rights of free speech and the right to bear arms, Which could and would lead to tyranny as the citizens couldn't speak out, protest, or overthrow the tyrannical government which controls them.

Citizens would lose other important amendments to the constitution such as the 4th, which guarantees people security in their homes from search and seizure without a warrant. the 9th, which gives us protection of our rights, and more important ones such as the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th.

The United States joining the EU would be a major blow to our (I'm talking about US Citizens) freedoms and our culture, but also our sovereign rights.

By the way, I'm a Libertarian in case you didn't know.

What are you jabbering about?

Care to offer the slightest evidence or argument for your assertions?

What are you jabbering about?

Care to offer the slightest evidence or argument for your assertions?

He* has already withdrawn his assertions:

It does not? I assumed it would, as that's what would happen with NAU.

Oh well, my bad for assuming.

It's probably rude to keep on attacking him. hmmm?

*I assume he's male beacuse I am lazy.

Aww....

Darth Elmo being cute?!:eek:

Darth Elmo being cute?!:eek:

I don't want you to leave. I know you love how the helmet is so big. Two references, there.

I don't want you to leave. I know you love how the helmet is so big. Two references, there.

Can I rub it's shinny, black top?

Can I rub it's shinny, black top?

Err, um...

Err, um...

Of the helmet, dirty minded Sith. <_<

This is such a stupid thread.

Back on topic: TAI It looks to me like you want to rebuild the British Empire, with the US as the lead nation. Not that that would be a bad thing mind you, but you will find little support on NSG. In the real world, maybe.

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.

How about first moving the country onto the European continent? :tongue:

Psh, this thread is out of date...

We're annexing the former British Empire....the EU will be obsolete, lol...

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.

you'd have to become a bunch of whiny, pansy, communists...like France...

That's right Europe, I went there. What are you gonna do about it?


:p

If some part of North America is going to be admitted to the EU, I fucking well hope it's going to be Canada...

Seeing as Islam is, according to Russian law (http://books.google.com/books?id=EPP3ti4hysUC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=respecting+christianity+islam+buddhism+judaism+and+other&source=web&ots=pppIldMuS1&sig=KikE3NJkzMEdWt4rU9EoeN03-6o), "an inseparable part of the historical heritage of Russia's peoples", and you think Russian culture fits fine into the EU, why would you perceive Turkey's Islamic culture as being unacceptable?

Russian law also allows Putin to run the country from the shadows through his puppet President. Great law that is.

Would you perceive the Balkan EU member-states with large Muslim populations as being unacceptable?

Which Balkan EU members? Romania, where Islam is a tiny minority? Bulgaria, where the % of Muslims is about the same as in France? Greece, where Muslims comprise about 1.2% of the population?

The only majority Muslim nation in Europe is Albania, and thanks to communism (I never thought I'd say that), it's become very diluted.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.
That and becoming a part of the European continental plate.

That and becoming a part of the European continental plate.

As mentioned earlier we could get around that with cultural ties, and for this conversation we should at least assume that is the case.

That and becoming a part of the European continental plate.

I think we have enough Nukes to accomplish this task ;)

That and becoming a part of the European continental plate.

Beat ya to it. And it seems a few people beat me to it also.

As mentioned earlier we could get around that with cultural ties.
That's fuckin BS.

That's fuckin BS.

But as long as we can get both sides to agree on it being BS, then we will have created a tie, lol



Id argue the UK and US have some cultural ties....Maybe Germany...the rest...

Not so much...

But as long as we can get both sides to agree on it being BS, then we will have created a tie, lol



Id argue the UK and US have some cultural ties....Maybe Germany...the rest...

Not so much...

Democracy, ummm ummm
guns well no.
health care well no
bilingualism well no.
surely we can build on our differences?

It does not? I assumed it would, as that's what would happen with NAU.

Oh well, my bad for assuming.

He's right. Look at the flag, people!

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5782/nau.png

He's right. Look at the flag, people!

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5782/nau.png

I thought it looked like this...

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/flag-NAFTA-flag-logo.jpeg

He's right. Look at the flag, people!

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5782/nau.png

I thought it looked like this...

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/flag-NAFTA-flag-logo.jpeg

Nah, I think we should just use this one

http://www.33ff.com/flags/XL_flags/Canada_flag.gif

Id argue the UK and US have some cultural ties
Like what?

One has a presiedent, the other has a monarch
One has electoral college, the other gives each person an equal vote
One has guns, the other basically doesn't
One has ridiculous healthcare, the other is pseudo-communist
One has 'football', the other has football.

We both like beer and easy TV. But that's about it.

We both like beer and easy TV. But that's about it.

And to be fair, what Americans call "TV" doesn't compare to British TV shows.

Like what?

One has a presiedent, the other has a monarch
One has electoral college, the other gives each person an equal vote
One has guns, the other basically doesn't
One has ridiculous healthcare, the other is pseudo-communist
One has 'football', the other has football.

We both like beer and easy TV. But that's about it.

Those are political, not Cultural...

Cultural is something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_relations#Culture

Culture:
Heritage

Because the 13 states that founded the United States began as colonies of Great Britain, the two nations retain significant shared threads of cultural heritage, many of which are common to all Anglosphere countries.

Language

Because English is the de facto language of both nations, the United States and the United Kingdom share not only the language itself (with some differences), but also the entire heritage of English literature, philosophy, poetry, and theatre. Both peoples are historically Christian, although increasingly secular and diverse in the modern era. Both legal systems are based on the common law.

Film

There is much crossover appeal in the modern entertainment culture of the United States and the United Kingdom. For example, Hollywood movies are popular in the United Kingdom, whilst the James Bond and Harry Potter series of films have attracted continued interest from the United States. Production of films has often been shared between the two countries – whether it be a concentrated use of British and American actors or use of film studios from both nations.

Music

American singers such as Madonna and Britney Spears are popular in the United Kingdom, and British groups such as Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Iron Maiden, Spice Girls, The Who, the Rolling Stones and recently Coldplay, are popular in the United States. More recently, British acts such as Natasha Bedingfield, KT Tunstall and Leona Lewis have experienced widespread success in the States. Undoubtedly, the popular music of both nations has had a strong influence on each other. Whilst Blues music (originating in the United States) had a clear influence on early rock and roll music in the United Kingdom (for example, the early music of Fleetwood Mac), the innovative music of The Beatles evidently changed the landscape of popular music of both countries.

The Celtic music of the United Kingdom has also had a dynamic effect upon American music. In particular, the traditional music of the Southern United States is descended from traditional Celtic music and English folk music of the colonial period, and the musical traditions of the South eventually gave rise to country music and, to a lesser extent, folk.

Literature

Much popular literature also crosses over between the oceans, as evidenced by, for example, the appeal of British authors J. R. R. Tolkien and J.K. Rowling in the United States and American authors such as Stephen King and Michael Crichton in the United Kingdom.

Television

Both countries' TV shows are similar, as many American and British television series are either carried by the other nations' networks, or are re-created for distribution in their own nations. Some popular British television shows that were re-created for the American market are The Office, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?, Steptoe and Son (as Sanford and Son), Whose Line Is It Anyway?, Pop Idol (American Idol), Queer as Folk, and Til Death Us Do Part (All in the Family). Some American shows re-created in the United Kingdom are The Apprentice and The Price Is Right. Popular American shows that are also popular in the United Kingdom include The Simpsons, South Park, Friends, The West Wing, Will & Grace, Scrubs, Family Guy, and the CSI: series. Many British actors appear on American television and vice-versa, for example:

* Lost—Henry Ian Cusick, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Rebecca Mader, Dominic Monaghan, Marsha Thomason, Sonya Walger
* Boston Legal—Tara Summers, Saffron Burrows
* ER—Parminder Nagra, Alex Kingston
* House (TV Series)—Hugh Laurie
* Prison Break—Dominic Purcell, Wentworth Miller
* 24—Sandrine Holt
* Desperate Housewives—Nicollette Sheridan, Dougray Scott
* CSI franchise—Louise Lombard (CSI), Claire Forlani (CSI: NY), Sonya Walger (CSI:NY)
* Law and Order—Linus Roache
* The Wire—Dominic West, Idris Elba
* Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles—Lena Headey, Shirley Manson
* Other—Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace), David McCallum (NCIS), Santiago Cabrera (Heroes), Ashley Jensen (Ugly Betty), John Oliver (The Daily Show with Jon Stewart), Damian Lewis (Life), Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies), Sophia Myles (Moonlight), Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman), Zuleikha Robinson (New Amsterdam).

The BBC airs two television networks in the US, BBC America and BBC World. Also, the BBC and PBS share many collaborations and rebroadcasts, such as Monty Python's Flying Circus, Doctor Who, Nova, and Masterpiece Theatre. The BBC also frequently collaborates with US network HBO, examples including Rome, Band of Brothers, and The Gathering Storm. C-Span, the American government channel, also weekly rebroadcasts Prime Minister's Questions on Sundays.

On some British digital television platforms, it is also possible to watch American channels direct from the United States, such as Fox News, as well as American channels setup for a British audience, such as CNBC Europe, CNN, NASN, ESPN Classic (UK), Paramount Comedy, and FX (UK). The Super Bowl has been aired in the United Kingdom since 1983, and was aired on free television on Five in 2003. London was also the venue for the first competitive NFL game ever to be played outside North America in October 2007.

Newspapers

British Sunday broadsheet newspaper the The Observer includes a condensed copy of The New York Times.[18]

Those are political, not Cultural...

Cultural is something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_relations#Culture
The political is the cultural.

The political is the cultural.

No its not...however, the political would be the primary component of the opposition to the US joining the EU, the two are not one in the same ;)

No its not...
How is the political system, as well as laws etc. not a crucial part of a country's culture?

How is the political system, as well as laws etc. not a crucial part of a country's culture?

A part, but not the same, its like saying that 2x3=6 and 2+4=6 are the same thing, sure they are both math problems, and in this situation come out to the same answer...

They are however different equations...

How is the political system, as well as laws etc. not a crucial part of a country's culture?

that's easily fixed by declaring the queen/king of England is also the queen king of the US.

that's easily fixed by declaring the queen/king of England is also the queen king of the US.

I always knew there was something funny going on there, lol...


Thats what Im saying, I think itd be far more efficient for the US to join the Commonwealth of Nations, problem solved..

you'd have to become a bunch of whiny, pansy, communists...like France...

That's right Europe, I went there. What are you gonna do about it?


:p

Point and laugh at you?

Ah, the US joining the EU?
First of all our sovereignty would be down the shitter, our constitution null and void, and our bill of rights torn up and gone. Citizens would lose their rights of free speech and the right to bear arms, Which could and would lead to tyranny as the citizens couldn't speak out, protest, or overthrow the tyrannical government which controls them.

1.How come the EU countries have their Constitutions, then?
2.Because in Europe people aren't allowed to protest, right?
3.Actually free speech is a tenet of the EU.
4.Right to bear arms: the EU leaves that to individual member countries. It's just more regulated than in the US.


Citizens would lose other important amendments to the constitution such as the 4th, which guarantees people security in their homes from search and seizure without a warrant.
:confused: Example, the Italian constitution:
Art. 13
Personal liberty is inviolable. No form of detention, inspection or personal search is admitted, nor any other restrictions on personal freedom except by warrant which states the reasons from a judicial authority and only in cases and manner provided for by law.
In exceptional cases of necessity and urgency, strictly defined by law, the police authorities may adopt temporary measures which must be communicated within forty-eight hours to the judicial authorities and if they are not ratified by them in the next forty-eight hours, are thereby revoked and become null and void.
All acts of physical or moral violence against individuals subjected in any way to limitations of freedom are punished.The law establishes the maximum period of preventative detention.

Art. 14
The home is inviolable.
Inspections or searches or seizures may not be carried out except in cases and manner prescribed by law in accordance with the guarantees prescribed for safeguarding personal freedom.
Controls and inspections for reasons of public health and safety or for economic and fiscal purposes are regulated by special laws.

Art. 15
The freedom and secrecy of correspondence and of every other form of communication is inviolable.
Restriction thereto may be imposed only by warrant which gives the reasons issued by a judicial authority with the guarantees established by law.



By the way, I'm a Libertarian in case you didn't know.
A pretty misinformed one I might add.

you'd have to become a bunch of whiny, pansy, communists...like France...

That's right Europe, I went there. What are you gonna do about it?


:p

Kitty-sama, prepare to be invaded!:sniper:

So, what is this Union going to be called? Atlantic Union (No dice, Aussieland and Kiwiland)? Federation of the Northern Hemisphere (No Aussies or Kiwis allowed!)? Ameropa (Nope, you still can't get in...)? Eumerica (What is in the South Pacific, stays in the South Pacific)?

So, what is this Union going to be called? Atlantic Union (No dice, Aussieland and Kiwiland)? Federation of the Northern Hemisphere (No Aussies or Kiwis allowed!)? Ameropa (Nope, you still can't get in...)? Eumerica (What is in the South Pacific, stays in the South Pacific)?

the large union.

the large union.But that'd imply that Australia can get in. No fucking way.

But that'd imply that Australia can get in. No fucking way.

The large Union, no criminals allowed?

the large union.

I have a problem with that name you came up with. A serious problem. *nod*

I have a problem with that name you came up with. A serious problem. *nod*

Because it implies you weren't large before the Americans came.

Because it implies you weren't large before the Americans came.

<_<

Since I am a US citizen I have the right the plead the 5th. *nod* I have a "puto" right to remain silence. Read me my rights!:tongue:

<_<

Since I am a US citizen I have the right the plead the 5th. *nod* I have a "puto" right to remain silence. Read me my rights!:tongue:

You have the right to be strip searched. You have the right to have the strip searched webcasted. If you decline these rights greed and death will do them anyways!!

You have the right to be strip searched. You have the right to have the strip searched webcasted. If you decline these rights greed and death will do them anyways!!

Are you the absolute law of the US of A?:eek2:

Are you the absolute law of the US of A?:eek2:

Yep, and I am here to punish you, you have been a naughty girl.

Yep, and I am here to punish you, you have been a naughty girl.

Are? So ka? Watashi, a naughty girl?:eek:

This thread just grossed me out.

*flees*

Are? So ka? Watashi, a naughty girl?:eek:

yeah you will have to be spanked publicly.

yeah you will have to be spanked publicly.

Meh, I'm in a good mood to allow anyone to put a damper on it.:tongue:

*hums "I'm Yours" and sips on some green tea*

Meh, I'm in a good mood to allow anyone to put a damper on it.:tongue:

*hums "I'm Yours" and sips on some green tea*

So your offering yourself to me to save the rest of Europe from US dominance?
How noble of you.

So your offering yourself to me to save the rest of Europe from US dominance?
How noble of you.

Oh, no, I'm not that altruistic. I'm just kindly trying to get back to the OP, which seems to have been answered pages ago. But I think we should try to keep Psychotic Mongooses from commiting online suicide. *nod*

Oh, no, I'm not that altruistic. I'm just kindly trying to get back to the OP, which seems to have been answered pages ago. But I think we should try to keep Psychotic Mongooses from commiting online suicide. *nod*
lol poor mongoose.

Russian law also allows Putin to run the country from the shadows through his puppet President. Great law that is.
However you feel about Putin, Islam is a part of the heritage of a vast amount of people in Russia.

Backpeddling and whining won't get you out of this one.

Which Balkan EU members? Romania, where Islam is a tiny minority? Bulgaria, where the % of Muslims is about the same as in France? Greece, where Muslims comprise about 1.2% of the population?
Spain, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia all have substantial Muslim populations and a rich heritage of Islamic influence in their respective cultures and history. Moreover, many other countries in the EU, including France where around 8-10% of the population is follows the Islamic faith IIRC, show that having an Islamic culture does not preclude one from being (a) a part of Europe, or (b) a member-state of the EU.

As I said, Turkey has issues it needs to resolve before it's eligible to join the EU. It's Islamic heritage is not one of them.

The only majority Muslim nation in Europe is Albania, and thanks to communism (I never thought I'd say that), it's become very diluted.
Good to see you support violent religious persecution.

Kitty-sama, prepare to be invaded!:sniper:

Calling me "Kitty-Sama" implies that I am your superior and therefore you can't invade since I outrank you and have more soldiers under my command.

:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

See. You're outgunned and outmatched.

This thread's just gettin good.....

Ive got Five Ameros on Nanatsu, lol...

i kind of thought the whole reason for having an EU, was so that by their combined strength, the former colonizing powers it was originally made up of, wouldn't have to knuckle under to an american centered world dictatorship, kissing its ass, and acting like america juniors.

However you feel about Putin, Islam is a part of the heritage of a vast amount of people in Russia.

Backpeddling and whining won't get you out of this one.

Six percent of Russians are Muslim. By that logic, Native American tradition is a part of the heritage of a vast amount of people in the US. Aboriginal tradition is a part of the heritage of a vast amount of people in the Australia.

Spain

The Spanish HATE the Muslims, Since when is being invaded a heritage? Poland now has a Nazi heritage, way to go Poland.

Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia all have substantial Muslim populations and a rich heritage of Islamic influence in their respective cultures and history.

None of those are in the EU, bl.

Moreover, many other countries in the EU, including France where around 8-10% of the population is follows the Islamic faith IIRC, show that having an Islamic culture does not preclude one from being (a) a part of Europe, or (b) a member-state of the EU.

What, so you can just flood a population into a country and it suddenly has that culture? I can take millions of Mozambicans to Mongolia, and suddenly Mongolia has a Mozambican heritage?

Good to see you support violent religious persecution.

Enemy of my enemy. If it were almost anybody else, I wouldn't be supporting the commies. If it were almost anybody else.

:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

See. You're outgunned and outmatched.

Stop making phallic references and prepare to be smashed, pussy.... cat!

The Spanish HATE the Muslims, Since when is being invaded a heritage? Poland now has a Nazi heritage, way to go Poland.


Parts of Spain were ruled by Muslims for centuries...
But don't let history get in the way of xenophobic bigotry.

Parts of Spain were ruled by Muslims for centuries...

800+ years to be more specific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Spain

Parts of Spain were ruled by Muslims for centuries...
But don't let history get in the way of xenophobic bigotry.

And they all got along splendidly. Oh wait, no, then they had the Reconquista.

If some part of North America is going to be admitted to the EU, I fucking well hope it's going to be Canada...
because you are canadian or some country's expat who moved there. i can tell by your location. i am american but not dumb. if there is anything my country could be, but is not a member of, it's the commonwealth of nations. we have the heritage and language, also the ideal tie remains. we do not meet eu requirements because of location, although many of us have euro heritage.

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.


I think its the other way around: what changes would the EU need to make to make it acceptable to we Americans ;)

because you are canadian or some country's expat who moved there. i can tell by your location. i am american but not dumb. if there is anything my country could be, but is not a member of, it's the commonwealth of nations. we have the heritage and language, also the ideal tie remains. we do not meet eu requirements because of location, although many of us have euro heritage.

Joining the Commonwealth of Nations would be insulting to the culture and heritage of the United States.

I always knew there was something funny going on there, lol...


Thats what Im saying, I think itd be far more efficient for the US to join the Commonwealth of Nations, problem solved..
right. we could be eligible to join. here's why. we were a british colony and in many ways are still basically anglo-saxon. we have many commonalities with CoN members and are friendly with some of them. we remember our roots.

right. we could be eligible to join. here's why. we were a british colony and in many ways are still basically anglo-saxon. we have many commonalities with CoN members and are friendly with some of them. we remember our roots.

Issue is, again, how did we leave Britain? By revolution to ESCAPE British rule. Why would we turn around and go back to it? What possible benefit could we gain?

Issue is, again, how did we leave Britain? By revolution to ESCAPE British rule. Why would we turn around and go back to it? What possible benefit could we gain?

Lol, being in the Commonwealth doesn't mean you have to be ruled by the U.K. Anyway, you'd gain new trading partners, as well as the Commonwealth games.

Lol, being in the Commonwealth doesn't mean you have to be ruled by the U.K. Anyway, you'd gain new trading partners, as well as the Commonwealth games.

Commonwealth games. If that's the best there is then forget it.

Commonwealth games. If that's the best there is then forget it.

It pretty much is, actually. I don't really see much point in the Commonwealth existing.

Back on topic: TAI It looks to me like you want to rebuild the British Empire, with the US as the lead nation. Not that that would be a bad thing mind you, but you will find little support on NSG. In the real world, maybe.
Wrong thread, perhaps? :p

Psh, this thread is out of date...

We're annexing the former British Empire....the EU will be obsolete, lol...

:p

It pretty much is, actually. I don't really see much point in the Commonwealth existing.

Well, I figured we'd prettymuch have total control of the thing at that point...

and either we could rot it from the inside out, like the diabolical bunch we are...

Or turn it into some sort of Trading threat to the EU, lol...


But really, I just want more stamps :p...

This wouldn't work. America would have to can the death penalty, implement the metric system, harmonize regulations with the rest of the EU related to such things as cars and agriculture (meaning no more growth hormones in food). Possibly also work on human rights a bit.

While I would like to see harmonization of regulations and standards in products, and the metric system implemented in the US, I don't think the changes could be made without the South and most of the Plains states seceding. Free trade might be a reasonable goal, admission to the EU would not be since it would probably irritate the Americans, while also handing over 40% of the vote to the USA.

And just imagine what would happen if the USA, Poland, Romania and the other conservative countries of the hypotectical EU decided to push their agenda on everyone? It would be a disaster.

Honestly, I could see Belarus or Serbia, even Russia being admitted to the EU before America.

This wouldn't work. America would have to can the death penalty, implement the metric system, harmonize regulations with the rest of the EU related to such things as cars and agriculture (meaning no more growth hormones in food). Possibly also work on human rights a bit.
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And just imagine what would happen if the USA, Poland, Romania and the other conservative countries of the hypotectical EU decided to push their agenda on everyone? It would be a disaster.
And Canada aka the 51st State, also Israel. And maybe even the puppet states of Iraq and Afghanistan; with its vote, US could try pushing them in. That could be enough for the job.

It would be the only reason US would consider joining, to secure itself at least a 51% vote, and proceed to control the EU. They would have to relax gun restrictions, implement US Imperial system, and harmonize regulations with the rest of US.

I'm looking forward to this glorious day that will lead to better future for all of Europe.

implement the metric system

Eh? We don't have to have to use the metric system.

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.
Wouldn't being, I dunno, not in Europe, be a serious obstacle to being in the European Union?

Wouldn't being, I dunno, not in Europe, be a serious obstacle to being in the European Union?

Just means a Name change is in order...Western Union...

Also doubles as a Money Exchange Service, ;)

And the new currency will be named Ameuro.

It will be issued by FRS.


If things went a bit different in 1945, this could be a reality.

And the new currency will be named Ameuro.

It will be issued by FRS.


If things went a bit different in 1945, this could be a reality.
lol


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wsNtPvrGAj4/R2MA8B78TiI/AAAAAAAAD28/NXd9lJptrFE/s400/amero1.jpg

Wouldn't being, I dunno, not in Europe, be a serious obstacle to being in the European Union?

Culture connections are allowed.

Why is everyone on NSG always making new international alliances?

Issue is, again, how did we leave Britain? By revolution to ESCAPE British rule. Why would we turn around and go back to it? What possible benefit could we gain?
i'm not the only one in this thread to mention the us joining the commonwealth. india had a rebellion and joined the commonwealth, i think. theirs was nonviolent, though. we don't have to join. i don't care one way or the other about us joining the commonwealth. it's possible we could, but not probable we would.

Why is everyone on NSG always making new international alliances?

The same reason we do every night Sirmono1, to Try and take over the World!!!

This is more for the European NSGers.
Okay, I'll bite.
But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.
Hehe, tough luck. Don't want'em!
What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?
Stop being the USA? There's so many things that would have to go - and I don't see that happening. Not even hypothetically!
My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.
And much, much more.

right. we could be eligible to join. here's why. we were a british colony and in many ways are still basically anglo-saxon. we have many commonalities with CoN members and are friendly with some of them. we remember our roots.

Actually large chunks of the current US territory were colonies of other countries. Like France (Illinoo-àh, Mississippì, Missourì, Louisianà come to my mind), Spain (Tejas, New Mexico, Arizona, Florìda, California iirc) and Russia (Alaska).

And much, much more.

Like stop being so scared of decent voltages. Go 220 V! Less dissipation!

The same reason we do every night Sirmono1, to Try and take over the World!!!

I sentence you to stare at my username for the next 2000 years.

india had a rebellion

More of a revolution (from one monarchy to two republics) and an independence movement.

I sentence you to stare at my username for the next 2000 years.

Hmmmmmm.......yes, i can see why...You have four "n's" in your name, very close together, interconnecting even...

This is more for the European NSGers.

But lets say the US was to seek entry into the EU.

What changes would the US need to make in order for the EU to accept the US?

My guess off the bat is death penalty, Health care, and currency reform.
Merging the North American and European continents together would also probably be a biggy.

Actually large chunks of the current US territory were colonies of other countries. Like France (Illinoo-àh, Mississippì, Missourì, Louisianà come to my mind), Spain (Tejas, New Mexico, Arizona, Florìda, California iirc) and Russia (Alaska).
i know all that. i was just saying the orginal US was british before becoming the US. i know my history, the louisiana purchase, the mexican war, the gadsden purchase, the alaska purchase or whatever it was called when we bought alaska from russia. i am not dumb, even if you think so.

More of a revolution (from one monarchy to two republics) and an independence movement.
a nonviolent revolution,except for small localized violence, then but a revolution is just a rebellion against government. a have a book that says a revolution is people turning against their government. it's a book about words, especially origins and meanings.