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hello my fellow partners. I am wondering what you guys think about marrijuanna legalization please respond. this is an ongoing debate between my people.

*laughs* Oh this is going to be fun.

First a question, who is "your people"? As for your questions, honestly I don't care what people put in their bodies. However, I do think they should deal with the consequences for taking drugs and doing anything while under the influence of said drug.

my fellow tokas. i agree watever ppl do while under the influence is their prob but really would u allow yourself to smoke mary jane

my fellow tokas. i agree watever ppl do while under the influence is their prob but really would u allow yourself to smoke mary jane

Nah, I already smoke cigarettes and cigars. I doubt my body can handle mary janes.

Also, get Firefox, it has a spell checker.

Nah, I already smoke cigarettes and cigars. I doubt my body can handle mary janes.

Also, get Firefox, it has a spell checker.

Most pot smokers I know smoke both...

ya i smoke cigs too bro i need to quit lol HAHAHAHA

Most pot smokers I know smoke both...

Well I doubt most people bodies were Jerry Rigged because something got screwed up in embryonic development.

Hmm, when did hospitals start making it a policy to not exposed preggers to X-Rays?

ya i smoke cigs too bro i need to quit lol HAHAHAHA

I don't get it...

I don't get it...

He's high, and he's very annoying. What's to get?

1996. well we're all in pain so we smoke the grass and find that inner tranquility

Damn, I could do with some weed right now.

Thanks for the info obviously high poster.

ya me too i wish i was blazin ;)

Am I the only one who is feeling high, just from being in this thread?

haha u really feelin buzzed fuk i wish i was.....:)

You mean you're not?

wilgrove shutup :0

Am I the only one who is feeling high, just from being in this thread?

internet contact high!

nah im sober :(

wilgrove shutup :0

Never!

internet contact high!

The best kind!

internet high haha kool beans LOL ;)

nah im sober :(

Well you seem high, your thread is making me high. You must be doing something drug related, and transmitting it through the intertubes!

Nah, I already smoke cigarettes and cigars. I doubt my body can handle mary janes.

Also, get Firefox, it has a spell checker.

Never!

wilgrove ur a fag:mad:

my fellow tokas. i agree watever ppl do while under the influence is their prob but really would u allow yourself to smoke mary jane

If by 'fellow tokas' you mean the people in your fake nation, you can drop that here in General, we don't do that whole role playing thing here. Hell, a lot of us forget there is even a game involved until someone comes along and tries to role play in the wrong place.

If by 'fellow tokas' you mean people who also smoke weed...please don't? Look, I don't want to compare pot smokers to actual oppressed minorities or social groups or anything like that, but I'm kinda gonna anyway...we've come a long way in image from Specoli tumbling out of a VW Bus and smacking his head with his shoe saying, "That's my brain, man!" The stereotypical "Yeah, Brah" mush mouth that strings together half heard hippie spiritualism that was half formed when it was fully heard and Rastafarianism gleaned from pop Reggae lyrics sets us back. A lot. Every group has different groups within them, and hey -- if that's how you want to get down, party on. And I'll still smoke out with you types because you have good weed and you make me laugh, even if sometimes it's not necessarily with you.

But when you guys step into the image of stoners in general, it's a problem. When you want to talk about legalization with your 'Brahs', use your belabored slang and type like you're doing it on a phone. But if you want to come to a debate forum and bring it up in mixed company, we'd appreciate it if you'd put the clean shirt on, type like you know how, and take the debate seriously as it involves billions of dollars wasted and millions of lives.

Sorry to be harsh, I just wanted to be clear.

haha i was fuked up earlier hydesland haha

Should be legalized. It's less harmful than cigarettes at least. The only problem I can think of would be public smoking with Marijuana. While it might provide to make an amusing spectacle, it's hardly recommendable, perhaps should be banned if it is ever legalized.

If by 'fellow tokas' you mean the people in your fake nation, you can drop that here in General, we don't do that whole role playing thing here. Hell, a lot of us forget there is even a game involved until someone comes along and tries to role play in the wrong place.

If by 'fellow tokas' you mean people who also smoke weed...please don't? Look, I don't want to compare pot smokers to actual oppressed minorities or social groups or anything like that, but I'm kinda gonna anyway...we've come a long way in image from Specoli tumbling out of a VW Bus and smacking his head with his shoe saying, "That's my brain, man!" The stereotypical "Yeah, Brah" mush mouth that strings together half heard hippie spiritualism that was half formed when it was fully heard and Rastafarianism gleaned from pop Reggae lyrics sets us back. A lot. Every group has different groups within them, and hey -- if that's how you want to get down, party on. And I'll still smoke out with you types because you have good weed and you make me laugh, even if sometimes it's not necessarily with you.

But when you guys step into the image of stoners in general, it's a problem. When you want to talk about legalization with your 'Brahs', use your belabored slang and type like you're doing it on a phone. But if you want to come to a debate forum and bring it up in mixed company, we'd appreciate it if you'd put the clean shirt on, type like you know how, and take the debate seriously as it involves billions of dollars wasted and millions of lives.

Sorry to be harsh, I just wanted to be clear.

This post just made me sober again. :(

Should be legalized. It's less harmful than cigarettes at least. The only problem I can think of would be public smoking with Marijuana. While it might provide to make an amusing spectacle, it's hardly recommendable, perhaps should be banned if it is ever legalized.

true just stay home and smoke haha :)

hydesland i so agree this fag had to roll up and bitch at us well fuck him :)

hydesland i so agree this fag had to roll up and bitch at us well fuck him :)

Cool it. Go look at some fractals or something.:cool:

Should be legalized. It's less harmful than cigarettes at least. The only problem I can think of would be public smoking with Marijuana. While it might provide to make an amusing spectacle, it's hardly recommendable, perhaps should be banned if it is ever legalized.

I don't imagine it would be any different than legal intoxication. Like alcohol I don't see why it would be legal to do it in public, like alcohol I would imagine that public intoxication would be an offense.

I don't really see any problem with Amsterdam's model except that they're the only one's doing it so people like me flood the place trying to make the most of their short time there.

ight man well do u smoke often? {hydesland}

wilgrove ur a fag:mad:

hydesland i so agree this fag had to roll up and bitch at us well fuck him :)

aaaaaand boom goes the dynamite...


Hint: flaming (ie calling someone a fag) will get you banned pretty quickly.

ight man well do u smoke often? {hydesland}

Not very often, but from time to time.

I don't imagine it would be any different than legal intoxication. Like alcohol I don't see why it would be legal to do it in public, like alcohol I would imagine that public intoxication would be an offense.

I don't really see any problem with Amsterdam's model except that they're the only one's doing it so people like me flood the place trying to make the most of their short time there.

ya we all go there and flood in and leave the place broke as a joke and they come out rich as shit

Not very often, but from time to time.

ya koolbeans :tongue:

aaaaaand boom goes the dynamite...


Hint: flaming (ie calling someone a fag) will get you banned pretty quickly.

ight mann my bad bro :hail:

be bak in a min gatta go smoke me a cig

Troll....

I don't imagine it would be any different than legal intoxication. Like alcohol I don't see why it would be legal to do it in public, like alcohol I would imagine that public intoxication would be an offense.


I'm thinking something akin to second hand smoke, except... Well, you know, with Marijuana.

Troll....

Yeah, pretty much. There was only a few posts when I wrote what I wrote so there was still some doubt, but after that, yeah, all signs point to yes. Annoying.

I'm thinking something akin to second hand smoke, except... Well, you know, with Marijuana.

Well thats a plus then.:p

I'm thinking something akin to second hand smoke, except... Well, you know, with Marijuana.

You can't drink alcohol in public, and there is no fear of the contact high. Frustrating the coffee shops in Amsterdam they now have a separate room that you have to go into to smoke (part of the EU's thing about second hand cigarette smoke). There's a cigar shop here in San Francisco I can smoke cigars inside at, it would be handled largely the same way. There are designated shops that are as regulated as a bar would be or a cigar club where you can smoke or you do it at home. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that we just be allowed to puff away as we walk down a crowded street just like I don't want the guy on the bus next to me slamming Everclear.

You can't drink alcohol in public, and there is no fear of the contact high. Frustrating the coffee shops in Amsterdam they now have a separate room that you have to go into to smoke (part of the EU's thing about second hand cigarette smoke). There's a cigar shop here in San Francisco I can smoke cigars inside at, it would be handled largely the same way. There are designated shops that are as regulated as a bar would be or a cigar club where you can smoke or you do it at home. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that we just be allowed to puff away as we walk down a crowded street just like I don't want the guy on the bus next to me slamming Everclear.

I'm saying that sort of thing should not be allowed on the streets. Inside buildings... That's different. But walking down the street, I'm thinking it should probably be banned.

I'm saying that sort of thing should not be allowed on the streets. Inside buildings... That's different. But walking down the street, I'm thinking it should probably be banned.

That's what I'm saying. There's no reason to believe that it would be that much different than alcohol when legalized. Legalized doesn't necessarily mean, "No holds bared."

I do not care if marijuana becomes legal, but it would be nice if we could start using hemp for more things, i.e. fabrics, construction, and foods (google uses for hemp and it should be the third one down). Should marijuana become legal, it would be nice so that we can free up space for other more serious criminals.

That's what I'm saying. There's no reason to believe that it would be that much different than alcohol when legalized. Legalized doesn't necessarily mean, "No holds bared."

I know, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's best not to treat it the same way as we have done to cigarettes.

hydesland i so agree this fag had to roll up and bitch at us well fuck him :)

How old are you?

All references are made towards the United States, not any other country.




This is terrible, so much of this was kicked in the face by worthless posts about 'yehman koolbeans smoke onn!'

Gives marijuana supporters a bad image,

I have been smoking pot for two years now on a moderated basis, I am completely functional, I do not allow it to interfere with my life, but that's just me.
I believe that marijuana should DEFINITELY be legalized, however regulated, very similar to alcohol, where you are NOT to smoke marijuana in a public place, but in private with friends or something of the like. Any intoxicating substance should be handled in that very manner.

The legalization of marijuana is not only beneficial towards the public, but to prisons and police who waste their time hunting down marijuana users. FAR too much money is spent a year keeping our overpopulated prisons up, hunting down pot smokers, dealers, and cultivators, and in the end, or at this point, the 'war' on marijuana has got us nowhere, it is still grown, still sold, and still used, FAR more than it was when it was first criminalized.

Clearly this method has not served us in the past, and it has continued to do so, so perhaps it's time for a change, maybe it is time for us to wise up and finally make USE out of this 'drug', it can become a life saver, the economy of the United States, wrecked as it is, can flourish.

Completely understanding that detecting the THC level in a driver under the influence of marijuana will be difficult to pick up, there will be a time when this can happen, I'm sure, if we decide to focus on such a thing. The technology is not out of our hands.

Moving onto the many other uses of the hemp plant, such as creating paper, which will allow us to not have to cut down trees that take ages to grow, and use the hemp plant which will take FAR less time to grow and it's use is exactly the same for paper. Also, hemp oil, can be applied to skin and actually treats many types of cancers, why would this be illegal? Because it's bad for you? No. Fearful businesses back in the 1930's, this isn't a history lesson, obviously, but regardless.

Hemp is by far one very useful plant that we seem to refuse to use for whatever reason, so with legalization will come a far better society.

How old are you?

Dude, after the first two posts, okay. I mean, I took it at face value, too. But now? C'mon, take the fish hook out of your mouth.

Dude, after the first two posts, okay. I mean, I took it at face value, too. But now? C'mon, take the fish hook out of your mouth.

At least he gave me some sort of temporary high somehow. :p But seriously, this actually happens to me from time to time, it's not very intense at all, but NSG can make me feel a little spaced out at times. It's mainly due to being very tired (I'm tired as fuck right now) and being seconds from dropping off to sleep, so you're at that between stages where you're only half awake. When you mix this stage with bizarre thoughts from bizarre NSG conversations (I remember some deep ones about property rights producing this), it has this affect.

Meh, Im personally of the opinion that, in the US, the Alcohol laws should apply to all drugs...

the Regulatory system for drugs is already in place, it just needs to be implemented...

Never gonna happen, at least not in the States. The gov't makes a killing off of busting people for it (and in many places its becoming decriminalized in small amounts, meaning no jail, just a hefty fine).

It could never be regulated like alcohol because anyone could grow it.

Never gonna happen, at least not in the States. The gov't makes a killing off of busting people for it (and in many places its becoming decriminalized in small amounts, meaning no jail, just a hefty fine).

It could never be regulated like alcohol because anyone could grow it.

Not necessarily, just depends what kind of Alcohol you go for...regulate it like Distilled Spirits, and the Government can make a hefty ransom off taxes...and still go after illegal growers and continue to make a profit there as well...

Its win-freakin-win baby!

Not necessarily, just depends what kind of Alcohol you go for...regulate it like Distilled Spirits, and the Government can make a hefty ransom off taxes...and still go after illegal growers and continue to make a profit there as well...

Its win-freakin-win baby!

This is true, however, I still believe it would be a nightmare to enforce.

Never gonna happen, at least not in the States. The gov't makes a killing off of busting people for it (and in many places its becoming decriminalized in small amounts, meaning no jail, just a hefty fine).

how much faith do you place in that 'never'? and got any numbers on the relative costs vs 'benefits' involved?

seems to me that at some point we'll just do it, since nobody who has thought about it thinks prohibition is a good idea. i'd guess within the next decade or two, personally

It could never be regulated like alcohol because anyone could grow it.
indeed...

*has some homebrew*

This is true, however, I still believe it would be a nightmare to enforce.

And the current system's not?


Thats precisely what makes it such a stable money maker, the market never shrinks, lol...

how much faith do you place in that 'never'? and got any numbers on the relative costs vs 'benefits' involved?

seems to me that at some point we'll just do it, since nobody who has thought about it thinks prohibition is a good idea. i'd guess within the next decade or two, personally

Nothing on hand, but here in Maine its a minimum $200 fine for possession. Sounds like easy money for busting a couple kids rolling a doobie to me.




And the current system's not?


Thats precisely what makes it such a stable money maker, the market never shrinks, lol...

Hah, true story. I saw a special on marijuana, and it showed the "triangle" in CA where its legal to grow- guy a fucking forest of pot plants- made tons of money off it.

But yes, the current system certainly is, but then they'd also have to worry about who is legally growing, who isn't. And where would people buy it legally? Would there be people ensuring legal dealers wouldn't be selling to minors? I don't know, it sounds like a lot of adjustment to make it legal and appropriate for this country- and would the tax they made off of the legal stuff still be... profitable

This thread is so amazing. And to think I was going to go to sleep.

Hah, true story. I saw a special on marijuana, and it showed the "triangle" in CA where its legal to grow- guy a fucking forest of pot plants- made tons of money off it.

But yes, the current system certainly is, but then they'd also have to worry about who is legally growing, who isn't. And where would people buy it legally? Would there be people ensuring legal dealers wouldn't be selling to minors? I don't know, it sounds like a lot of adjustment to make it legal and appropriate for this country- and would the tax they made off of the legal stuff still be... profitable

Well, the primary money-maker would be the fee charged for a License, to grow, sell, etc, which would then need to be renewed on an annual basis of course, thereby ensuring a steady flow of cash.....which in theory would enforce the non-selling to minors, however that is impossible to entirely enforce for anything, as experienced by tobacco and alcohol...and the ones that slip then become targets to fine and make that much more money...

And the current Smokers would be buying from the legal sellers with the licenses, which would have a sales tax on it of course, bringing in more revenue..

I'm all for decriminalization and depenalization, though I wouldn't necessarily allow it to be sold freely. I'd say a similar system that Finland has for strong alcoholic beverages (22vol%), eg. a state-owned and controlled monopoly is the only place allowed to sell (of course, they'd still have to keep the prices reasonable). This would also make it harder for minors to get (when buying alcohol, you're much more likely to be asked for ID in Alko than you are at a supermarket).

As for consumption, well, I think the Finnish system for alcohol would work too, at least if it was enforced. Here, consumption of alcoholic beverages is not strictly illegal in public, as it's allowed in places like parks as long as it does not cause a disturbance. Then again, alcohol does not have passive smoke... I guess coffee shops and consumption at home would be the only reasonable options.

By the way, here, the fines for possession of small amounts range from 100 to 500 euros. Compared to the cost of the juridical process (incl. the pays of judges, lawyers, prosecutors, etc etc) that's nothing.

And the current Smokers would be buying from the legal sellers with the licenses, which would have a sales tax on it of course, bringing in more revenue..

If I were a regular smoker... why would I buy the high priced legal marijuana if I could buy it illegally or grow my own, like I have been doing since before it was legal?

They (the gov't) seem to have enough of an issue controlling the illegal substance. Just because they make it legal doesn't mean people will buy the legal variety, especially if it is more expensive for similar quality.

If I were a regular smoker... why would I buy the high priced legal marijuana if I could buy it illegally or grow my own, like I have been doing since before it was legal?

They (the gov't) seem to have enough of an issue controlling the illegal substance. Just because they make it legal doesn't mean people will buy the legal variety, especially if it is more expensive for similar quality.

I dont think so, I think that the price would drop dramatically, afterall now the only hassle is buying a License, rather than the process of smuggling, and dealing with a Drug Cartel, and/or Gang...Plus a licensed farmer can now grow ALOT more in one place, as much as say a Tobacco farm...

Which brings up another thought, it would open up jobs on the farms to grow it, and presumably places to process it, further helping the economy...

But, I also think demand would increase so there will be physically more buyers, now that the stygma would be reduced to that of alcohol...being that there is only a stygma if you do too much, lol...



and the majority of the increased users would buy legally because its the only place they know to get it...

Decriminalize: Yes, absolutely.

Full legalization: No, equally absolutely.

Limited legalization: Yes (regulated and well ventilated "Coffee shops", medical use, perhaps limited home use as well with a "green license", if you will).


We don't need another alcohol/cigarette hybrid, especially considering the effects of long term marijuana use or passive use - for growing children and adults - are most likely piss poorly researched.


btw. Can't someone create a single sticky topic for each one of these regular interval issues? :tongue:

Legalize all drugs, and immediately and unconditionally release all non-violent drug offenders.

If by 'fellow tokas' you mean people who also smoke weed...please don't? Look, I don't want to compare pot smokers to actual oppressed minorities or social groups or anything like that, but I'm kinda gonna anyway...we've come a long way in image from Specoli tumbling out of a VW Bus and smacking his head with his shoe saying, "That's my brain, man!" The stereotypical "Yeah, Brah" mush mouth that strings together half heard hippie spiritualism that was half formed when it was fully heard and Rastafarianism gleaned from pop Reggae lyrics sets us back. A lot. Every group has different groups within them, and hey -- if that's how you want to get down, party on. And I'll still smoke out with you types because you have good weed and you make me laugh, even if sometimes it's not necessarily with you.

But when you guys step into the image of stoners in general, it's a problem. When you want to talk about legalization with your 'Brahs', use your belabored slang and type like you're doing it on a phone. But if you want to come to a debate forum and bring it up in mixed company, we'd appreciate it if you'd put the clean shirt on, type like you know how, and take the debate seriously as it involves billions of dollars wasted and millions of lives.

Sorry to be harsh, I just wanted to be clear.

*golf clap*

I'm all for decriminalization and depenalization, though I wouldn't necessarily allow it to be sold freely. I'd say a similar system that Finland has for strong alcoholic beverages (22vol%), eg. a state-owned and controlled monopoly is the only place allowed to sell

This would be my prefered option...I'd hate to see a "marijuana industry" like we see with alcohol and tobacco.

Hell, given how hard those industries have fought against decriminalization, they'd probably be the first in line to be producers if the government would let them. I'd much rather the government cut out the middle man, it would mean all the profit could go to drug treatment and law enforcement, rather than a pithy cut taxed out of some corporate giant.

legalize everything that doesn't involve little green pieces of paper or beating anyone over the head, or otherwise robbing their freedom of thought by demanding their attention.

Legalize it, treat it like alcohol, literally exactly like alcohol.