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Disney has, finally, created an African-American princess. But someone (there's always someone) has decided that isn't good enough - apparently her prince is the wrong color, so the relationship is inter-racial. So what's the problem, a white boy isn't good enough for her?

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2009/03/19/disneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince/?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackvoices.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F03%2F19%2Fdisneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince%2F

Death to the Disney Princess range!

That is all.

and if he had been black groups would have been bitching about does this mean black men are frogs.

He at least looks Spanish in origin...soo that could count as a compromise?

I just checked this article and there is a pool whether this is right or wrong , I say there is nothing wrong with that , in fact the results of the pool show most people are happy with that.There always be controversy behind issues of this sort, I think we should move on , we should put all differences behind , black , white , yellow , dont matter , thats what disney should be saying .

I think its braver of them to show an interracial relationship than making both the prince and princess black.

Very strange. I just don't understand. Only in America.

Very strange. I just don't understand. Only in America.

In America, we don't want our brown people mixing in with our pure Aryans. The prince looks brown, but not too brown. *nods* :p

So they are mad that the African girl is in love with a the Middle Eastern prince? Just shows the ignorance that abounds. It's no coincidence that the only racial remarks that I have dealt with in my life being white married to a real African woman came from Black Americans.

Actually, he was meant to be from the middle east.

I think people scan through the Internet looking for things to get annoyed with. Beside the prince has always looked like that. So make him black then who really cares.

Black, white, martian, purple, green does it matter it is Disney?

In America, we don't want our brown people mixing in with our pure Aryans. The prince looks brown, but not too brown. *nods* :p

Strangely, the only white people who object are pretty marginal. The only mainstream people who object are black - at least that's my perception. I used to date an African-American man, when white people objected it was because he was twenty years younger than me, when black people objected, it was because I'm white. What's worse, ageist or racist?

It's almost like some people have a need to cling to the idea that everything is racist. Maybe somehow it's their comfort zone. Maybe they're racist themselves and are projecting. Who knows?

Either way it's gratifying to see that the poll on the site indicates people are voting 4-1 against it being offensive.

Stupid.

I think people scan through the Internet looking for things to get annoyed with. Beside the prince has always looked like that. So make him black then who really cares.
we should care , truly blessed. imagine the kids growing up thinking sticking with their own ethnic group is what they should do. but in real life its not like that , in real life you live in diverse society , interracial relationships shouldnt be some kind of a social taboo.

I'm pretty sure I saw this story before on The Fresh Prince...

Anyhoo, I couldn't tell from the article what the writer saw as bad. Were they saying that a black princess having a white prince is bad, or that Disney haven't the cojones to have all-black leading roles? The former is obviously a bunch of pish, but the latter merits discussion.

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.

What kind of moron wrote that article anyway? The fact that interracial couples are so uncommon is a sign of racial alienation. This country is damned cocked-up.

I am from the Committee for Being Offended at Everything, and I declare this thread offensive to my race, culture, religion, nationality, blood type and shoe size. I'll see you all in court!

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.

There will be complaints that they are of different religions.

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.

lol

I am from the Committee for Being Offended at Everything, and I declare this thread offensive to my race, culture, religion, nationality, blood type and shoe size. I'll see you all in court!

And I am of the Ultimate Superior Party. We are racist against all humans and thus advise total annihilation of our species.

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.

w00t! I'm there.:D

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.
Or a movie where aristocrats aren't the main characters.

I am from the Committee for Being Offended at Everything, and I declare this thread offensive to my race, culture, religion, nationality, blood type and shoe size. I'll see you all in court!

LOL thats a good one hahahahah your shoe size ! ;) you have a small shoe size have you? you know what else small you have then ,dont you? LOL :D

Or a movie where aristocrats aren't the main characters.

touche

Or a movie where aristocrats aren't the main characters.

The Rescuers
Pinnochio
Beauty and the Beast (Belle wasn't an aristocrat)
Aladdin (Aladdin wasn't an aristocrat)
Bambi
Dumbo
The Jungle Book
Hercules (Gods and demi-gods aren't aristocrats, are they?)

Need I go on? :p

Or a movie where aristocrats aren't the main characters.

Hunchback of Notre Dame

*sigh* when will these people learn?!

adults arent allowed to be offended by disney coz disney isnt aimed at them...its aimed at the little people....and do you see any of THEM complaining?!?!

one day someones gunna wake up and think "OMG what have we been doing?! We're trying to destroy a DISNEY movie ffs!!

The Rescuers
Pinnochio
Beauty and the Beast (Belle wasn't an aristocrat)
Aladdin (Aladdin wasn't an aristocrat)
Bambi
Dumbo
The Jungle Book
Hercules (Gods and demi-gods aren't aristocrats, are they?)

Need I go on? :p

Maybe he needed to make the point of human characters. So all of the non aristocrats are animals or made of wood (lower lifeforms).

Gods would be considered Aristocrats and so would Aladdin because he eventually got into that life style.

Maybe he needed to make the point of human characters. So all of the non aristocrats are animals or made of wood (lower lifeforms).

Gods would be considered Aristocrats and so would Aladdin because he eventually got into that life style.

Aristocats. Animals can be "upper class" as well :p

The Rescuers
Miss Bianca's rather posh.

Beauty and the Beast (Belle wasn't an aristocrat)
Aladdin (Aladdin wasn't an aristocrat)
Other main characters were, and both Aladdin and Belle became aristocrats, or, at least, 'rose up' from their humble origins.

Bambi
The Jungle Book
Hercules (Gods and demi-gods aren't aristocrats, are they?)
There's clear hierarchy in the above films; King of the jungle, the glorious stag, and all that.

Dumbo
Fair nuff.

Hunchback of Notre Dame
Same here.

Still, Disney does have a predilection for Princesses, and a tendency to 'lift' their characters up to grand heights. Though, maybe this is just the tendency of fairy tales, rather than Disney.

Don Bluth pictures always seemed more egalitarian. :P

why the fuck isnt the prince black too?

its not racist its ..... well wouldnt the little black girl want a black prince doll to go with her black princess doll?

wouldnt all the other non-white girls like a black prince to join all their other dolly admirers?

It's New Orleans. NO is (or maybe WAS) a rather diverse city. Why SHOULD they be the same color?

Finally, It's been far to long since Disney screwed something up (supposedly) and gets yelled at by everyone.

>.>

I would do her.

*Runs*

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.

I think I've seen that movie. Wasn't a disney film tho'.

It offends me more that the princess looks so sweet and innocent and the prince looks like a total dick. He looks almost like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast... only more poorly drawn. The quality of Disney animation has surely gone down the shitter.

Honestly, why their race is even an issue is beyond me. If no one had said anything, I don't think I would have noticed it -as- an issue.

I'm bored with racism and the reverse racism. Can we all stop now?

I think I've seen that movie. Wasn't a disney film tho'.

No that company just sounds like disney so they can trick little kids into watching porn.

Originally, the black princess was named Maddy, a maid working for a white family set in 1920s New Orleans.

Both the name (which sounds eerily close to Mammy) and position made many take pause, so Maddy became Tiana, a more African American name.
I don't see the connection between "Maddy" and "mammy." And isn't the "african-american" name moving TOWARD a stereotype? I understand the complaint about the early script stating that she was a maid, but isn't that a potentially historically accurate portrayal? Maybe not PC, but reality isn't always PC.

That toothless firefly that sounds like a slave (see video) isn't likely to convert many fans either.
WTF??? The firefly talks like a slave? That could just as easily have been trailer trash hillbilly redneck speech as "slave" speech. Someone needs to get a life.

wait... the prince is too light?

the prince is GREEN fer gods sake. he's a FRIKKEN FROG!!!

http://bp2.blogger.com/_FD_yDjkRGeI/R03i8pPlpOI/AAAAAAAAAKI/JBK3JUxIZZE/s400/kermit.jpg

It's New Orleans. NO is (or maybe WAS) a rather diverse city. Why SHOULD they be the same color?

Straight from Nagin's mouth:

We ask black people: it's time. It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild a New Orleans, the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans. And I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day.

Straight from Nagin's mouth:

ah, but did he mean Milk Chocolate or Dark Chocolate?

and with or without Nuts?

This seems pretty silly to me. Maybe I'd understand their gripe better if I were black, but as a white person, it seems to me that it would be more offensive to think that a black princess intrinsically OUGHT to be with a black prince.

ah, but did he mean Milk Chocolate or Dark Chocolate?

and with or without Nuts?

lol, I'm sure nuts were a given.

It offends me more that the princess looks so sweet and innocent and the prince looks like a total dick. He looks almost like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast... only more poorly drawn.

"No one slips like Gaston, no one trips like Gaston,
No one falls down a bottomless pit like Gaston!"

"No one slips like Gaston, no one trips like Gaston,
No one falls down a bottomless pit like Gaston!"

:p "no one has a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston!"

Even with a Interracial Man in the White House, Black Voices still cant accept an Interracial Couple...:rolleyes:

This seems pretty silly to me. Maybe I'd understand their gripe better if I were black, but as a white person, it seems to me that it would be more offensive to think that a black princess intrinsically OUGHT to be with a black prince.

I concur; the true racist is the writer of that article.

Other main characters were, and both Aladdin and Belle became aristocrats, or, at least, 'rose up' from their humble origins.

What's wrong with a movie where a beggar becomes a prince? I like to see a little upward social mobility in my Disney films, and as a man who's dated women with small children, I've seen my share. Better than a movie where a prince becomes a beggar.

wouldnt all the other non-white girls like a black prince to join all their other dolly admirers?

You never know, he might run off with Barbie.

Call me when they make a movie with two princesses who fall in love.As long as they're not interracial.

What bothers me about children's dolls (since clearly Disney exists to market badly made outfits and toys) is that although in the last few years you've seen an explosion of the variation of skin tones (finally!), the dolls have actually gotten sluttier. Exhibit A, Brats. Yes, it's nice you can get dolls of ambiguous race, but do they all have to be complete tarts?

What bothers me about children's dolls (since clearly Disney exists to market badly made outfits and toys) is that although in the last few years you've seen an explosion of the variation of skin tones (finally!), the dolls have actually gotten sluttier. Exhibit A, Brats. Yes, it's nice you can get dolls of ambiguous race, but do they all have to be complete tarts?
do you let your girls have bratz dolls? my neice wont let her girls have them.

why the fuck isnt the prince black too?

its not racist its ..... well wouldnt the little black girl want a black prince doll to go with her black princess doll?

wouldnt all the other non-white girls like a black prince to join all their other dolly admirers?

If you look closely, the prince isn't exactly white. He's either Spanish, or Middle Eastern.

I didn't read the article, I just saw the picture and gave a big meh.

do you let your girls have bratz dolls? my neice wont let her girls have them.

Honestly, I side with your nieces. Bratz dolls are the worse toys I've ever seen in my life.

do you let your girls have bratz dolls? my neice wont let her girls have them.

My girls aren't allowed to have them, it doesn't stop my mother in law from buying them as presents each Christmas though. :mad:

Anyone want some still in the package Bratz? I have a closet full of them. Even bootlegs.

do you let your girls have bratz dolls? my neice wont let her girls have them. I would never buy them these things, but they get them as presents. Am I going to throw away their presents? Hellz no. I'm not that mean. However, my girls are more the arts and crafts type. Any Bratz dolls they have are tied up, hair shorn, and hanging from bed posts. My daughters may grow up to be dominatrixes...they tie a mean knot!

My girls aren't allowed to have them, it doesn't stop my mother in law from buying them as presents each Christmas though. :mad:

Anyone want some still in the package Bratz? I have a closet full of them. Even bootlegs.

most stores will take em in for exchanges. also there's always E-Bay! :p

My girls aren't allowed to have them, it doesn't stop my mother in law from buying them as presents each Christmas though. :mad:

Anyone want some still in the package Bratz? I have a closet full of them. Even bootlegs.

Perhaps with them, some otc weight loss pills, some size 0 jeans and a blowtorch you can make art.

He at least looks Spanish in origin...soo that could count as a compromise?

Wait do you mean Spanish as in from Spain, or Spanish as in Hispanic? Because the guy looks fairly pale to me.

You know Disney may have just chosen a bad story to tell; as it looks like they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I say Disney should ignore the objectors. Or maybe feed them to Pluto.

Very strange. I just don't understand. Only in America.

there is some issue with race in the US. A week a go I was discussing my paper on Brazilian emancipation and how it tied in with Brazilian banking with some colleagues of mine at a restaurant. An African American slavery eating at the table next to us, stopped talking and stared at us like we were the devil.

Or a movie where aristocrats aren't the main characters.


Pinocchio
Fantasia
Dumbo
Bambi
Saludos Amigos
The Three Caballeros
Make Mine Music
Fun and Fancy Free
Melody Time
Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan
Lady and the Tramp
One Hundred and One Dalmatians
The Jungle Book
Robin Hood
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
The Fox and the Hound
Oliver & Company
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hercules
Mulan (included in the Disney Princess group, but not from an aristocratic family, and never marries)
Fantasia 2000
Dinosaur
Lilo & Stitch
Treasure Planet
Brother Bear
Home on the Range
Chicken Little
Meet the Robinsons
Bolt

*snip*

Look, dont let little nit-picks like "facts" get in the way of a good jibe at disney, lol...

hmmmm....
Fantasia (not applicable, since it does not have main characters.)
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (wasn't Mr. Toad an Aristocrat?)
Alice in Wonderland (Alice's heiratage was not defined, but she did have a nanny/tutor in an age where those were reserved for the upper class.)
Robin Hood (Maid Marion had a 'Lady in Waiting' so a noble of sorts)
The Rescuers (Miss Bianca could be considered an Aristocrat)
The Black Cauldron (Eilonwy was a Princess)
The Great Mouse Detective (wasn't the runaway a lost princess of sorts?)
The Rescuers Down Under (again Miss Bianca)
Hercules (would God's be considered Aristocrats?)
Mulan (included in the Disney Princess group, but not from an aristocratic family, and never marries) (Ah, but I believe her Father was a minor lord.)
Tarzan (Tarzan is LORD Graystroke)

hmmmm....

You had to respond in the quote, didn't you?:p

for the fantasias, he said disney films. Those are part of the disney canon.
I left in some I wasn't sure about (havent seen or don't remember well) expecting corrections, so I'll fix those.

Alice was likely wealthy, but a) it was never defined and b) it played no role in the story really.
I don't really remember the disney version of Robin Hood...I recall Marion usually being a smaller character, but I'm not entirely sure.
I don't count Gods as aristocrats, though some may choose to.
Fa Zhou was likely wealthy (given the size of his property), but he was not nobility. Again, the family wealth played little role in the actual story (aside from the fact that she could steal a horse and armor)

You had to respond in the quote, didn't you?:p

for the fantasias, he said disney films. Those are part of the disney canon.
I left in some I wasn't sure about (havent seen or don't remember well) expecting corrections, so I'll fix those.

Alice was likely wealthy, but a) it was never defined and b) it played no role in the story really.
I don't really remember the disney version of Robin Hood...I recall Marion usually being a smaller character, but I'm not entirely sure.
I don't count Gods as aristocrats, though some may choose to.
Fa Zhou was likely wealthy (given the size of his property), but he was not nobility. Again, the family wealth played little role in the actual story (aside from the fact that she could steal a horse and armor)
Except the complaint wasn't using aristocrats to further the story, but having an aristocrat as a main character.

In Robin Hood, Maid Marion (fox) had her Lady in Waiting (a hen) the hen spoke the line "as your Lady in Waiting, I'm Waiting." and she was Robin's main interest and the story revolved around both of them, thus a main character. Which is why I didn't include the Indian Princess in Peter Pan.

In china back then, being rich practically made you an aristocrat... but I'll concede that like Gods, it depends on one's point of view.

hmmm.... Bambi's father was the 'Prince of the forest' so wouldn't that make Bambi a prince? :p

My girls aren't allowed to have them, it doesn't stop my mother in law from buying them as presents each Christmas though. :mad:

Anyone want some still in the package Bratz? I have a closet full of them. Even bootlegs.

Give them to The Salvation Army?

I am from the Committee for Being Offended at Everything, and I declare this thread offensive to my race, culture, religion, nationality, blood type and shoe size. I'll see you all in court!

Can I sig that? :D

Give them to The Salvation Army?

Send em to North Korea. :)

Send em to North Korea. :)

No, Saudi Arabia. *runs*

Strangely, the only white people who object are pretty marginal. The only mainstream people who object are black - at least that's my perception. I used to date an African-American man, when white people objected it was because he was twenty years younger than me, when black people objected, it was because I'm white. What's worse, ageist or racist?

One of my sisters seemed to have a similar problem. She was dating a black guy and my parents didn't seem to care either way, but when it became obvious that it was serious (i.e. they'd been dating for a year) his mother started to get upset about this. Apparently it was ok for him to date a white girl, but not to get serious with one? Although this occurred in Canada and this guy's mother was from the Caribbean...

It's not like Disney went out of their way to avoid having a black princess. The vast majority of Disney tales came out of Europe, so there obviously wouldn't be any blacks in those stories.

It's not like Disney went out of their way to avoid having a black princess. The vast majority of Disney tales came out of Europe, so there obviously wouldn't be any blacks in those stories.

Further proving that Europeans are all racists.....











J/k

Didn't Dumbo have black crows in it? They were essentially black face true, but it does count, doesn't it?

Yea, you should not take me seriously in this thread. :D

Didn't Dumbo have black crows in it? They were essentially black face true, but it does count, doesn't it?

Hekyll and Jekyll. They were Disney's version of the minstrel show.

http://chud.com/nextraimages/0706d04.jpg

Speaking of, whenever someone mentions minstrel shows, it reminds of Bamboozled. That, and the blackface bit from Holiday Inn.

Didn't Dumbo have black crows in it? They were essentially black face true, but it does count, doesn't it?

Yea, you should not take me seriously in this thread. :D

Disney has actually done some pretty racist stuff, but not having a black hero or heroine isn't one of them.

just what we need another princess from them

*SNIP*

And this is why there will never be equality. People just can't get over racial boundaries.

and if he had been black groups would have been bitching about does this mean black men are frogs.

Exactly what I was thinking. Besides, most people voted no in the following poll asking: "Is it offensive that Princess Tiana's prince isn't black?".

Can I sig that? :D
I guess so.
No, Saudi Arabia. *runs*
bwahahahahaha!
It's not like Disney went out of their way to avoid having a black princess. The vast majority of Disney tales came out of Europe, so there obviously wouldn't be any blacks in those stories.
Clearly, we need to resurrect the Brothers Grimm and every other tale weaver of the European Continent to stand in court and face charges of RACISM!!! It's not like the EU is doing anything important right now. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=586945) Which NSG lawyers should we hire as prosecutors?

I really want to beat that sickening grin out of the Prince's face.

Disney has, finally, created an African-American princess. But someone (there's always someone) has decided that isn't good enough - apparently her prince is the wrong color, so the relationship is inter-racial. So what's the problem, a white boy isn't good enough for her?

It is the wrong way around; the white girl is supposed to be going out with the black guy. Just before anyone calls me a troll, I meant that tongue in cheek.

To be honest, I don't give a hoot about what Disney does - for a long time I have been convinced that they have a left wing agenda, and while this isn't part of that and isn't something I object to at all, I just don't care.

Maybe he needed to make the point of human characters. So all of the non aristocrats are animals or made of wood (lower lifeforms).

Gods would be considered Aristocrats and so would Aladdin because he eventually got into that life style.
Ratatouille.
The Incredibles.
Pete's Dragon
Mulan

Wait do you mean Spanish as in from Spain, or Spanish as in Hispanic? Because the guy looks fairly pale to me.

You know Disney may have just chosen a bad story to tell; as it looks like they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
So? Spaniards, Hispanics and Latin Americans come in all shades.

It's almost like some people have a need to cling to the idea that everything is racist.

Well, Disney's images have a history of being so--racist, sexist, reflective of the ingrained prejudices of the dominant culture that are magnified as they pertain to our children.

WTF? This is people just looking to be outraged by something
"We've never had a black princess!" rabble rabble rabble

"The Black Princess isn't marrying a Black Prince?!" rabble rabble rabble

"The Prince is black but he's a frog? Does that mean all Black men are Frogs?" rabble rabble rabble

How about everybody knows that the only Black Prince changed his name to some weird symbol or other a long time ago and any other Black prince out there is a Nigerian scam artist. There is nothing more to see here, please disperse now.

its a fairy tale not a gang rape so of course the prince is gonna be white

its a fairy tale not a gang rape so of course the prince is gonna be white

Sir just back away from this thread.

its a fairy tale not a gang rape so of course the prince is gonna be white
thats pretty mean. i think its okay for them to show race mixing in cartoons it will make it more acceptable in real life. thats good since we should all mix up to acheive the perfect year round tan.

It's not like Disney went out of their way to avoid having a black princess. The vast majority of Disney tales came out of Europe, so there obviously wouldn't be any blacks in those stories.

See: Aladdin. He is most definitely the whitest white-boy in all of whiteville. Jasmine is a little less obvious, but barely breaks the point of confusing between European and not.

The villain, however, is most assuredly middle-eastern(Stereotypical middle-eastern at least).

Being as how Aladdin is most definitely not a European story in origin, your point is moot.

However, I find a story about interracial couples far less racist, especially considering that the prince is no blonde-haired blue-eyed prince that was the norm not to many years back.

I have to wonder, though, if they did go with a black prince, would people get into an uproar still? I can see an argument: A frog, disgusting animal, and "staying" in your race being the message. Really, I don't see why this is so aggravating. Disney has done far worse roles for black people, both intentionally and unintentionally.

See: Aladdin. He is most definitely the whitest white-boy in all of whiteville. Jasmine is a little less obvious, but barely breaks the point of confusing between European and not.

The villain, however, is most assuredly middle-eastern(Stereotypical middle-eastern at least).

Being as how Aladdin is most definitely not a European story in origin, your point is moot.

However, I find a story about interracial couples far less racist, especially considering that the prince is no blonde-haired blue-eyed prince that was the norm not to many years back.

I have to wonder, though, if they did go with a black prince, would people get into an uproar still? I can see an argument: A frog, disgusting animal, and "staying" in your race being the message. Really, I don't see why this is so aggravating. Disney has done far worse roles for black people, both intentionally and unintentionally.

Jordanians
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Aladdin
http://blog.jinni.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/aladdin.jpg

Seems about the same skin tone to me. Blue eyes are common in parts of the mideast.

See: Aladdin. He is most definitely the whitest white-boy in all of whiteville. Jasmine is a little less obvious, but barely breaks the point of confusing between European and not.

The villain, however, is most assuredly middle-eastern(Stereotypical middle-eastern at least).

Being as how Aladdin is most definitely not a European story in origin, your point is moot.
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http://www.icantbelieveitsme.com/images/bookc/DisneyAladdin.JPG

Um...What? Seems quite brown to me, or did he not act Stereotypical enough to look Middle Eastern to you? They did mention Allah several times...

Well, Disney's images have a history of being so--racist, sexist, reflective of the ingrained prejudices of the dominant culture that are magnified as they pertain to our children.
Whaaaaaat?!

How so!?

http://www.icantbelieveitsme.com/images/bookc/DisneyAladdin.JPG

Um...What? Seems quite brown to me, or did he not act Stereotypical enough to look Middle Eastern to you? They did mention Allah several times...

Olive, at best. Maybe just a 15 minute tan. Note, though, the speech patterns, especially. Aladdin definitely has the "White boy" air about him, whereas the villain has "stereotypical evil middle eastern" voice.

Jordanians
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Aladdin
http://blog.jinni.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/aladdin.jpg

Seems about the same skin tone to me. Blue eyes are common in parts of the mideast.

... Perhaps I should have elaborated more on the linguistic part of the argument? The skin tone wasn't the main point. :P

... Perhaps I should have elaborated more on the linguistic part of the argument? The skin tone wasn't the main point. :P

He is the main character and the movie is for American kids. He had to speak in a way that American kids could relate to, and their parents would approve of.

Olive, at best. Maybe just a 15 minute tan. Note, though, the speech patterns, especially. Aladdin definitely has the "White boy" air about him, whereas the villain has "stereotypical evil middle eastern" voice.

Ill give you that...But, Jasmine and the Sultan also spolke with Middle Eastern accents, if not as pronounced as Jafar's, as well, the Sultan is constantly muttering about "Allah"...

He is the main character and the movie is for American kids. He had to speak in a way that American kids could relate to, and their parents would approve of.

This. Seriously people, lighten up. It's a movie for kids.

This. Seriously people, lighten up. It's a movie for kids.

It is not like they remade song of the South.

It is not liek they remade song of the South.

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Why does it bother me that I dont know what that is? :$

:confused:

Why does it bother me that I dont know what that is? :$

there is a clip or two you will find on youtube.
It portrays Plantation life with all the slaves having the " we sure are happy" mentality.

Disney has, finally, created an African-American princess. But someone (there's always someone) has decided that isn't good enough - apparently her prince is the wrong color, so the relationship is inter-racial. So what's the problem, a white boy isn't good enough for her?

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2009/03/19/disneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince/?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackvoices.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F03%2F19%2Fdisneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince%2F

I have to say I'm more concerned about what the Disney princesses are teaching my daughter about gender roles than I am about their diversity.

I have to say I'm more concerned about what the Disney princesses are teaching my daughter about gender roles than I am about their diversity.

Im more worried about all that Bestiality Bell was into....

*shudders* lol...

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Why does it bother me that I dont know what that is? :$

It was a movie based on the Uncle Remus folk stories that hasn't been released in the US in decades because while at the time it was remarkably inclusive of black history and stories it could be seen as racially insensitive today. It's really a shame that so few people have no ability to set their personal perspective back in time a bit. It's the same argument used to try to ban books like 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' and 'The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn' among others.

It was a movie based on the Uncle Remus folk stories that hasn't been released in the US in decades because while at the time it was remarkably inclusive of black history and stories it could be seen as racially insensitive today. It's really a shame that so few people have no ability to set their personal perspective back in time a bit. It's the same argument used to try to ban books like 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' and 'The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn' among others.

well a lot of it was the manner it was presented.

They lightened his teeth and eye balls on the film to make his skin look darker.
They could have kept all the short stories with out the we are happy being slaves setting.

well a lot of it was the manner it was presented.

They lightened his teeth and eye balls on the film to make his skin look darker.
They could have kept all the short stories with out the we are happy being slaves setting.

Yeah, I can definitely see the racism...

However, its also incessantly catchy...damn you both for getting it stuck in my head, lol...

This is all I know from "Song of the South" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ)

The idiocy of some people makes me laugh. Controversy over something as trivial as a Disney film having a black princess in love with a Arab-like prince? Don't people have better things to debate about?

Seriously, soon enough some group will be sparking a row over no Disney film featuring ten homosexual princes and twenty-seven lesbian gangmembers shipped straight out of Grand Theft Auto: More Gangs, More Pimps, More Brothels..., with a talking frog who shots tropical forests into the mouths of Stalinist Catholics. :p

The idiocy of some people makes me laugh. Controversy over something as trivial as a Disney film having a black princess in love with a Arab-like prince? Don't people have better things to debate about?

Seriously, soon enough some group will be sparking a row over no Disney film featuring ten homosexual princes and twenty-seven lesbian gangmembers shipped straight out of Grand Theft Auto: More Gangs, More Pimps, More Brothels..., with a talking frog who shots tropical forests into the mouths of Stalinist Catholics. :p

I thought I told you to Stop Stalking me! :mad:

I thought I told you to Stop Stalking me! :mad:

Hmm? Are you being serious or am I being gullible, as usual? Oh wells...:(

Hmm? Are you being serious or am I being gullible, as usual? Oh wells...:(

your HOTWIFE

Confused man is confused. :P And confused man must become one with internet speak. :P

Confused man is confused. :P And confused man must become one with internet speak. :P

we know who you are and a mod will be sent forth to ban you soon enough!!!

What? Mate, I am not a stalker. I have just joined this site to play as the Kingdom of Sultya in II and discuss stuff in General. I am not a stalker. Please do not think that, I just wrote a joke about the topic of this thread, not to stalk somebody.

What? Mate, I am not a stalker. I have just joined this site to play as the Kingdom of Sultya in II and discuss stuff in General. I am not a stalker. Please do not think that, I just wrote a joke about the topic of this thread, not to stalk somebody.

Then why are you outside my office window in Hotpants?....Creepy, lol....

Then why are you outside my office window in Hotpants?....Creepy, lol....

no he is deep kimchi/hotwife.

I am not stalking anybody. I'm not sure whether you are messing with me or being serious, but I have just joined this site to roleplay and discuss things. Please, do not think that.

It's New Orleans. NO is (or maybe WAS) a rather diverse city. Why SHOULD they be the same color?'The Frog Prince' is a [western] European story, why SHOULD it be relocated to New Orleans? ;)

'The Frog Prince' is a [western] European story, why SHOULD it be relocated to New Orleans? ;)

I was wondering why Id never heard of a New Orleans version, theyre relocating it....odd, lol...


I thought Id heard all the New Orleans folk tales, lol...

hmmmm....
Alice was midle-class: the RL 'Alice', for whom Lewis Carroll originally created the stories, was the daughter of a middle-rank Anglican clergyman... and in those days having servants was usual for the middle classes (at least in Britain) as well as for the aristocracy.
Mr Toad would probably count as 'landed gentry', and so as upper-class, but wasn't actually an aristocrat either. (Would you define George Washington as having been an 'aristocrat'? Similar status to Mr Toad, I'd say...)

I guess so.

Sigged. :D

(Would you define George Washington as having been an 'aristocrat'? Similar status to Mr Toad, I'd say...)

He married into the Aristocracy of Virginia...the Custises were very prominent...

He married into the Aristocracy of Virginia...the Custises were very prominent...'Aristocracy' are titled, not just landed & influential...

'Aristocracy' are titled, not just landed & influential...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy_(class)

The aristocracy are people considered to be in the highest class in society, who traditionally have a lot of land, money, and power. They are usually below the leaders of the country in the hierarchy of status within the aristocracy form of government.

The term "aristocracy" is derived from the Greek language aristokratia, meaning 'the rule of the best'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy_(class)Okay, so when that term originated in Ancient Greece the people involved weren't necessarlly 'titled' (although even then some cities, such as Corinth, did group the families that possessed hereditary privileges together under some specific designation) but modern usage today in Britain and Europe -- as even the wikipedia article that you're using as your source of a definition agrees -- does generally confine the term's applicability to the actual nobility & some of their descendants...

Okay, so when that term originated in Ancient Greece the people involved weren't necessarlly 'titled' (although even then some cities, such as Corinth, did group the families that possessed hereditary privileges together under some specific designation) but modern usage today in Britain and Europe -- as even the wikipedia article that you're using as your source of a definition agrees -- does generally confine the term's applicability to the actual nobility & some of their descendants...

Yeah, but in the context of George Washington the Modern Usage doesnt apply...

He was part of the Aristocracy of Virginia...

I just have to laugh if I think of the lyrics for Arabian Nights:

Oh I come from a land, from a faraway place
Where the caravan camels roam
Where they cut off your ear
If they dont like your face
It's barbaric, but hey, it's home

When the wind's from the east
And the sun's from the west
And the sand in the glass is right
Come on down
Stop on by
Hop a carpet and fly
To another Arabian night

Arabian nights
Like Arabian days
More often than not
Are hotter than hot
In a lot of good ways

Yeah, but in the context of George Washington the Modern Usage doesnt apply...

He was part of the Aristocracy of Virginia...And do you think that that "Aristocracy" was recognised as such anywhere outside of America? Was it even recognised in the more northerly colonies/states, the ones that didn't have plantation-based agriculture?

And do you think that that "Aristocracy" was recognised as such anywhere outside of America? Was it even recognised in the more northerly colonies/states, the ones that didn't have plantation-based agriculture?

Um, Yeah, the Virginia Aristocracy was recognized throughout, just look at the number of Presidents that were elected early on just by virtue of being famous Virginians...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Dynasty

Um, Yeah, the Virginia Aristocracy was recognized throughout, just look at the number of Presidents that were elected early on just by virtue of being famous Virginians...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Dynasty... or by virtue of their involvement in the rebellion against Britain, and then in Washington's own government?

... or by virtue of their involvement in the rebellion against Britain, and then in Washington's own government?

Which was born largely out of the Virginia Aristocracy...

Its the Circle of Life in the words of Walt Disney Pictures...

The prince is just telling the negro that she is a princess because he feels bad that his family forced her entire family into slavery.

Ah, reparations.

The prince is just telling the negro that she is a princess because he feels bad that his family forced her entire family into slavery.

Ah, reparations.

Look, I already gave up Mah Mule...Now you want me to make her Royalty....

Sheesh, I aint made o Money you know, lol...

Sigged. :D

One minor correction - I am not Ron Paul.

Wait, since when has there been royalty in Nawlins?

Wait, since when has there been royalty in Nawlins?

Several of the governors of French and Spanish NO were nobility.
So Disney is only exaggerating a little.

Olive, at best. Maybe just a 15 minute tan. Note, though, the speech patterns, especially. Aladdin definitely has the "White boy" air about him, whereas the villain has "stereotypical evil middle eastern" voice.

Well, if you're going with voices, then I see your Aladdin and raise you a Lion King.

Wait, since when has there been royalty in Nawlins?

The King and Queen of Comus and the King and Queen of Rex. Pretty much since Carnival began.

I would never buy them these things, but they get them as presents. Am I going to throw away their presents? Hellz no. I'm not that mean. However, my girls are more the arts and crafts type. Any Bratz dolls they have are tied up, hair shorn, and hanging from bed posts. My daughters may grow up to be dominatrixes...they tie a mean knot!

That's what we used to do to our barbies! Aw, that takes me back.

The King and Queen of Comus and the King and Queen of Rex. Pretty much since Carnival began.

they have such a short time to conceive a child while still king and queen.

That's what we used to do to our barbies! Aw, that takes me back.

Really, kind of cute. My daughter's Barbie (singular - after my mother-in-law saw what my daughter did with her Barbie, she stopped giving her dolls) wore tinfoil armor and wielded a sword or else she fought off marauding rebels single handed (literally). As I recall Barbie had a scar drawn across her face in indelible red ink and was missing her left arm.

Isn't there some African folk tale they can use?
How do they make this Princess of New Orleans thing work?

Isn't there some African folk tale they can use?
How do they make this Princess of New Orleans thing work?

It's the whole frog prince thing, but with a black princess and in New Orleans for some reason.

Isn't there some African folk tale they can use?
How do they make this Princess of New Orleans thing work?

They would have to hire writers who actually knew about this sort of thing. which would mean writers from a diverse background. Disney prefers their writers to look like country club members.

its a fairy tale not a gang rape so of course the prince is gonna be white

lol, thread win

I don't think I've ever cared about anything less and when I don't care about something, I try not to post such a worthless thing as, "I don't care" but I don't care about this SO much that I felt I must post my feelings on the matter. Does not caring too much lead to caring? Do I now care about this issue? I don't know... I don't care... Oh, God - I don't care....

I don't think I've ever cared about anything less and when I don't care about something, I try not to post such a worthless thing as, "I don't care" but I don't care about this SO much that I felt I must post my feelings on the matter. Does not caring too much lead to caring? Do I now care about this issue? I don't know... I don't care... Oh, God - I don't care....

I'd kick you out of the apathy party, but I can't be bothered.

Disney has, finally, created an African-American princess. But someone (there's always someone) has decided that isn't good enough - apparently her prince is the wrong color, so the relationship is inter-racial. So what's the problem, a white boy isn't good enough for her?

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2009/03/19/disneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince/?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackvoices.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F03%2F19%2Fdisneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince%2F

I thought that avoiding images of 'racial mixing' was supposed to be racist....I'm fucking confuddled now....

Isn't there some African folk tale they can use?
How do they make this Princess of New Orleans thing work?
They considered Aida, but determined it to be too preachy for film (a la Pocahontas), and instead staged it for Broadway.
Besides, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Taina isn't a technical "princess".
They would have to hire writers who actually knew about this sort of thing. which would mean writers from a diverse background. Disney prefers their writers to look like country club members.

:rolleyes:

WTF? This is people just looking to be outraged by something
"We've never had a black princess!" rabble rabble rabble

"The Black Princess isn't marrying a Black Prince?!" rabble rabble rabble

"The Prince is black but he's a frog? Does that mean all Black men are Frogs?" rabble rabble rabble

How about everybody knows that the only Black Prince changed his name to some weird symbol or other a long time ago and any other Black prince out there is a Nigerian scam artist. There is nothing more to see here, please disperse now.

No lol? Now Indignation, no combination of both? Maybe I don't have my sense of humor anymore...

It's actually better that there's an interracial couple, isn't it? Then kids won't grow up thinking that black goes with black, white goes with white, purple goes with purple, etc, etc, etc. Mixing it up is GOOD.

Disney has, finally, created an African-American princess. But someone (there's always someone) has decided that isn't good enough - apparently her prince is the wrong color, so the relationship is inter-racial. So what's the problem, a white boy isn't good enough for her?

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2009/03/19/disneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince/?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl5|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackvoices.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F03%2F19%2Fdisneys-first-black-princess-has-a-white-prince%2F

An American princess???? The article seemed to say it was set in New Orleans. Interracial romance being promoted to children???? This is a big pile of fail blended with evil.

Interracial romance being promoted to children???? This is a big pile of fail blended with evil.

And what leads you to that conclusion?

Actually, never mind. There will be more and more interracial couples, and homosexual couples, marrying. This is a good thing, and there's nothing its detractors can do about it.

Actually, never mind. There will be more and more interracial couples, and homosexual couples, marrying. This is a good thing, and there's nothing its detractors can do about it.

Meh it's just a thing. Neither a good thing nor a bad thing. A neutral thing :p

Black, white, martian, purple, green does it matter it is Disney?The Martians are an inferior species and must be EXTERMINATED to preserve the purity of the human race.

The Martians are an inferior species and must be EXTERMINATED to preserve the purity of the human race.

I am reporting you for Brain Scrubbing. Martians are a peaceful loving race.

An American princess???? The article seemed to say it was set in New Orleans. Interracial romance being promoted to children???? This is a big pile of fail blended with evil.

I'm curious what problem you have with interracial romance that you would go so far as to call it "evil".

I'm curious what problem you have with interracial romance that you would go so far as to call it "evil".

"Segregation forever!" :p

I'm curious what problem you have with interracial romance that you would go so far as to call it "evil".

Well, see, if you have a movie that shows two people of different races being in love, then that means you are trying to brainwash innocent white girls to have lots of sex outside of wedlock with black guys. By choosing to show that such relationships exist, you are "promoting" them.

Now, if you show a white prince and white princess being in love, that just means you're encouraging kids to fall in love and settle into lovely G-rated monogamous relationships. You aren't "promoting" whites-only relationships, and you certainly aren't "promoting" sex of any kind.

Similarly, if a children's book depicts a gay couple, that book is INAPPROPRIATE and SEXUAL IN CONTENT, while a book that includes a hetero couple is normal and not sexual and totally appropriate.

Well, see, if you have a movie that shows two people of different races being in love, then that means you are trying to brainwash innocent white girls to have lots of sex outside of wedlock with black guys. By choosing to show that such relationships exist, you are "promoting" them.

Now, if you show a white prince and white princess being in love, that just means you're encouraging kids to fall in love and settle into lovely G-rated monogamous relationships. You aren't "promoting" whites-only relationships, and you certainly aren't "promoting" sex of any kind.

Similarly, if a children's book depicts a gay couple, that book is INAPPROPRIATE and SEXUAL IN CONTENT, while a book that includes a hetero couple is normal and not sexual and totally appropriate.

*Starts trepanating himself so the head won't explode, much like one does when baking a potato.*

The Martians are an inferior species and must be EXTERMINATED to preserve the purity of the human race.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/Emory621/marvin_the_martian.jpg

WTF? The article tries to paint Disney as being racist against blacks but only prves to shpw how racist the author is.