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Obama, a one-term president

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Eistee
20-03-2009, 10:51
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.
Querinos
20-03-2009, 10:58
Doubtful
Risottia
20-03-2009, 10:59
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.

Nope.

1.Too early to judge.
2.People like when the State gives money to them. And if such money is covered by futures, bonds, raising taxes to high incomes, lowering military expenses, cutting parliamentary benefits, hitting on CEOs' bonuses, cutting welfare programs... well, they don't care very much as long as money comes to them.
Barringtonia
20-03-2009, 10:59
Maybe, but then the Republicans would need to put up a candidate who isn't batshit insane and I don't see that happening at the moment.

Anything said is 'at the moment' so much of this discussion will be full of claims as baseless as mine.
Risottia
20-03-2009, 11:10
Maybe, but then the Republicans would need to put up a candidate who isn't batshit insane and I don't see that happening at the moment.

With a slight adjustment of the US Constitution...

Ahnold! THE PRESIDENTOR!

:D
Vault 10
20-03-2009, 11:18
2.People like when the State gives money to them. And if such money is covered by futures, bonds,
To be paid by their children.

raising taxes
On them.
Cannot think of a name
20-03-2009, 11:22
God, I don't have the energy for these anymore...
Risottia
20-03-2009, 11:26
On them.
That's not exactly what I've written.
The_pantless_hero
20-03-2009, 11:53
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.
1) Ultra fiscal conservatism hasn't helped South Carolina
2) You are probably right but only because people are retarded and think that. If the government stopped spending like the banks stopped lending, everyone would be fucked. Only the federal government has the ability to spend money to keep everything from just grinding to a halt.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 11:57
Way to early to see. Midterms elections will be your best point to make a guess.
the Democrats will lose seats, as many of them got into office on the coattails effect.
The key to knowing will be if the the division becomes close to even.
Mystic Skeptic
20-03-2009, 13:46
It saddens me that people care who the president is when it is Congress who is really shitting on America. Congress has been for decades yet everyone wants to blame Bush/Obama/Clinton/Regan/Carter/etc. for the stink.
Jello Biafra
20-03-2009, 13:49
Way to early to see. Midterms elections will be your best point to make a guess.
the Democrats will lose seats, as many of them got into office on the coattails effect.
The key to knowing will be if the the division becomes close to even.I don't know about that. Especially if the Republicans still have Rush Limbaugh as their spokesperson.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 13:51
Way to early to make any kind of claim, can people please just drop it now?
Milks Empire
20-03-2009, 13:58
I don't know about that. Especially if the Republicans still have Rush Limbaugh as their spokesperson.

I have a question for Rush: "¿Porqué no te callas?"
greed and death
20-03-2009, 13:59
I don't know about that. Especially if the Republicans still have Rush Limbaugh as their spokesperson.

It is pretty historical precedent. The few exceptions normally involve war, presidents winning by slim margins ( or not winning the popular vote at all).
In this case it is likely not a question of if the republicans will get seats back, but how many will they gain back. If they get only a few seats back, say 2-3 in the Senate and 6-8 in the House. Obama will win, and likely get those seats back during the presidential election.

however if the loss in the Senate is over 8 Seats and the Lose over 20 in the house, the chance of Obama winning is slim.
Wuldani
20-03-2009, 14:07
Way to early to make any kind of claim, can people please just drop it now?

If you don't like the discussion, you're not being forced to post here. Now stop trying to censor debate about something that a lot of us care about - namely some newb in office who is destroying our country.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:12
I think that Obama is really good at making a speech when using a teleprompter, or when he's in "campaign mode". It's the actual leadership thing (especially where some of this subordinates are concerned) that seems really rough around the edges.

I'm sure, for example, that while high minded, this won't be a very popular program:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Attorney General Eric Holder said some detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may end up being released in the U.S. as the Obama administration works with foreign allies to resettle some of the prisoners.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 14:14
I think that Obama is really good at making a speech when using a teleprompter, or when he's in "campaign mode". It's the actual leadership thing (especially where some of this subordinates are concerned) that seems really rough around the edges.

I'm sure, for example, that while high minded, this won't be a very popular program:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Popular? likely not.
right ? probably.
We ruined their lives we should provide them the chance to make a new life here.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 14:14
namely some newb in office who is destroying our country.

You're eight years too slow.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 14:16
We ruined their lives we should provide them the chance to make a new life here.

Look innocent or not before, they hate America now. Lets just shoot them and forget about these people.

http://www.wiibitgeeky.com/wp-content/uploads/your-head-asplode.jpg
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:16
Popular? likely not.
right ? probably.
We ruined their lives we should provide them the chance to make a new life here.

Yeah, the 9/11 conspirators in there - we sure ruined their lives. :rolleyes:
greed and death
20-03-2009, 14:17
Yeah, the 9/11 conspirators in there - we sure ruined their lives. :rolleyes:

the ones we are talking about releasing here are the ones with no connection to terrorism.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:18
the ones we are talking about releasing here are the ones with no connection to terrorism.

so sure are we!

We've released some already who had "no connection" and they went and become senior leaders or suicide bombers.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 14:19
Snip

I think you should know by now sometimes I am joking and sometimes I am being serious.
Though we can fulfill both views at once by releasing them in the deep south openly and publicly.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 14:20
so sure are we!

We've released some already who had "no connection" and they went and become senior leaders or suicide bombers.

Tell you what. I'm going to put you in a box for seven years of your life. I'll make your life a living hell, and I'll justify it on my say so and not one scrap of evidence. And if and when I release you, you won't ever think of getting even with me, right? Because if you do, I'll have no choice but to shoot you.

Like a dog.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:21
Tell you what. I'm going to put you in a box for seven years of your life. I'll make your life a living hell, and I'll justify it on my say so and not one scrap of evidence. And if and when I release you, you won't ever think of getting even with me, right? Because if you do, I'll have no choice but to shoot you.

Like a dog.

War is hell, or so my dad says.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 14:30
War is hell, or so my dad says.

So you're perfectly fine with being shot like a dog on my say so? Excellent. I'm sure your dad would agree too. War being hell and all that. And if he doesn't, that makes him an enemy combatant too, which means we'll probably have to shoot him too. Better slaughter your entire family and all your friends too, just to be on the safe side. Enemy combatants don't have any rights.
Bottle
20-03-2009, 14:31
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Given that Dubya, who dug us deeper into the debt hole than every single other president in US history combined, got re-elected, I'd say you're being profoundly silly.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 14:36
God, I don't have the energy for these anymore...

Have a taco. You need to keep up your strength. *hands you a taco* :)
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:36
So you're perfectly fine with being shot like a dog on my say so? Excellent. I'm sure your dad would agree too. War being hell and all that. And if he doesn't, that makes him an enemy combatant too, which means we'll probably have to shoot him too. Better slaughter your entire family and all your friends too, just to be on the safe side. Enemy combatants don't have any rights.

That's why it pays to be on the winning side. Losers usually get treated like dogs.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 14:37
If you don't like the discussion, you're not being forced to post here. Now stop trying to censor debate about something that a lot of us care about - namely some newb in office who is destroying our country.

I'm trying to point out that this has been killed, and buried, and dug up, and killed again, then cremated, recombobulated, cannibalized, shit out, and shot; but people STILL talk about it. This in only a couple of months.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 14:40
I'm trying to point out that this has been killed, and buried, and dug up, and killed again, then cremated, recombobulated, cannibalized, shit out, and shot; but people STILL talk about it. This in only a couple of months.

The only solution to make you happy is to impeach Obama isn't it ?
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 14:49
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.
in order for mr obama to be a one term president the republicans have to get their heads out of their asses and start making reasonable policy proposals. they also have to find a candidate with enough personality to make the public vote against their own best interest.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 14:52
I'm trying to point out that this has been killed, and buried, and dug up, and killed again, then cremated, recombobulated, cannibalized, shit out, and shot; but people STILL talk about it. This in only a couple of months.

Maybe just for a little variety we should crochet it into a blanket and smother an infant with it.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:52
in order for mr obama to be a one term president the republicans have to get their heads out of their asses and start making reasonable policy proposals. they also have to find a candidate with enough personality to make the public vote against their own best interest.

or, the democrats mess up the economy so bad that people will be willing to elect Ron Paul.
The Parkus Empire
20-03-2009, 14:53
I will not vote for him, unless he makes a virtual turn-around.
Wuldani
20-03-2009, 14:53
in order for mr obama to be a one term president the republicans have to get their heads out of their asses and start making reasonable policy proposals. they also have to find a candidate with enough personality to make the public vote against their own best interest.


It can't be that hard, the Democrats did it with BHO.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:53
I will not vote for him, unless he makes a virtual turn-around.

Did you vote for him in the last election?
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 14:56
or, the democrats mess up the economy so bad that people will be willing to elect Ron Paul.

Wow. I think if things get that bad, I'm voting for Mad Max. :)
greed and death
20-03-2009, 14:57
Wow. I think if things get that bad, I'm voting for Mad Max. :)

Fuck that vote for Lord Humungus
The Parkus Empire
20-03-2009, 14:58
Did you vote for him in the last election?

No, I voted third-party. I still had a decent opinion of Obama though, and I would have chosen him over McCain.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 14:58
Wow. I think if things get that bad, I'm voting for Mad Max. :)

I'll wear some white body armor, and carry a bow.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:01
The only solution to make you happy is to impeach Obama isn't it ?

No, but maybe we should impeach anyone who makes an Obama thread for a month or so.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:02
or, the democrats mess up the economy so bad that people will be willing to elect Ron Paul.
no. the republicans have already messed up the economy. the democrats only have to keep that fact spinning their way.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 15:03
No, but maybe we should impeach anyone who makes an Obama thread for a month or so.

Silence freedom of speech? You fascist pig.
Why do you hate Obama and America ???
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:05
no. the republicans have already messed up the economy. the democrats only have to keep that fact spinning their way.

Bush was wanting to regular Fannie and Freddie, and the Democrats weren't having that - that doesn't sound like Republicans messing up the economy.

The overall deregulation was a joint effort, largely pursued during the Clinton Administration and continued during the Bush Administration. As long as the bubble kept going, neither administatrion had any incentive to stop it.

By the Pew and Rasmussen polls, no Republicans and fewer independents are believing the "spin".

Give it time, and no one will believe it.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 15:06
no. the republicans have already messed up the economy. the democrats only have to keep that fact spinning their way.

From the Jimmy Carter Play book.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:07
It can't be that hard, the Democrats did it with BHO.
it is far too early to tell. the "leaders" of today have zero chance but there are millions of republicans who could come to the fore in the next 3 years.

the other problem with finding a good republican is the same reason that they chose john mccain in '08 but didnt support him. they have an unsatisfiable base that rules the nomination process. it is very hard to imagine a reasonable candidate making it through the nomination process then being able to swing hard to the middle for the general election. john mccain had to keep on the extreme conservative side in the general election in order to keep his (idiot) base from rebelling against him (thanks in part to the conservative radio talk show hosts that gave him an extremely hard time)
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:07
From the Jimmy Carter Play book.

That didn't work for long.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:07
Silence freedom of speech? You fascist pig.
Why do you hate Obama and America ???

Because this is the internet and I can freely hate everything and anything. NS taught me that.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:08
Bush was wanting to regular Fannie and Freddie, and the Democrats weren't having that - that doesn't sound like Republicans messing up the economy.

The overall deregulation was a joint effort, largely pursued during the Clinton Administration and continued during the Bush Administration. As long as the bubble kept going, neither administatrion had any incentive to stop it.

By the Pew and Rasmussen polls, no Republicans and fewer independents are believing the "spin".

Give it time, and no one will believe it.
you cant rewrite recent history. if george bush had wanted to do anything different with the economy he had 6 unimpeded years to do so.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 15:08
Because this is the internet and I can freely hate everything and anything. NS taught me that.

But not freely take away my free speech!!! And my right to love the Obama presidency!!
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:09
But not freely take away my free speech!!! And my right to love the Obama presidency!!

I didn't do it freely, I payed my internet bill.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:09
you cant rewrite recent history. if george bush had wanted to do anything different with the economy he had 6 unimpeded years to do so.

He was quite impeded by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd on the subject of subprime loans and Fannie/Freddie.

You can't rewrite the videos on Youtube.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:09
From the Jimmy Carter Play book.
well if ronald reagan runs again i guess obama is doomed.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:10
He was quite impeded by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd on the subject of subprime loans and Fannie/Freddie.

You can't rewrite the videos on Youtube.
geee i would have thought that the republican majority in congress would have given him anything he wanted...oh wait, it did.
Soviestan
20-03-2009, 15:12
Well of course he'll be a one term President. The world is going to end the 21st of December, 2012. And with that President-elect Palin will fall a month short of riding her snow machine to the white house. You betcha.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:13
geee i would have thought that the republican majority in congress would have given him anything he wanted...oh wait, it did.

Not large enough a majority to fight the Democratic friends of Fannie and Freddie.

It's all on video.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 15:13
He was quite impeded by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd on the subject of subprime loans and Fannie/Freddie.

You can't rewrite the videos on Youtube.

I don't suppose you can provide a reliable source to this, can you?
East Canuck
20-03-2009, 15:13
so sure are we!

We've released some already who had "no connection" and they went and become senior leaders or suicide bombers.

Bush was wanting to regular Fannie and Freddie, and the Democrats weren't having that - that doesn't sound like Republicans messing up the economy.

The overall deregulation was a joint effort, largely pursued during the Clinton Administration and continued during the Bush Administration. As long as the bubble kept going, neither administatrion had any incentive to stop it.

By the Pew and Rasmussen polls, no Republicans and fewer independents are believing the "spin".

Give it time, and no one will believe it.

He was quite impeded by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd on the subject of subprime loans and Fannie/Freddie.

You can't rewrite the videos on Youtube.

Obvious pundit is obvious.

and wrong.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:14
I don't suppose you can provide a reliable source to this, can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

East Tofu, not trying to be rude here when I say that You Tube is not a reliable source.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:15
Not large enough a majority to fight the Democratic friends of Fannie and Freddie.

It's all on video.
yeah. if its on youtube it has to be true.

and the full story on what went wrong with the economy.

its all in the spin. the dems have to keep controlling the spin.

and, of course, the economy does have to improve by '12. if it doesnt it IS mr obama's fault.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:17
yeah. if its on youtube it has to be true.

and the full story on what went wrong with the economy.

its all in the spin. the dems have to keep controlling the spin.

and, of course, the economy does have to improve by '12. if it doesnt it IS mr obama's fault.

No the economy had to improve yesterday or its Mr. Obama's fault.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:17
yeah. if its on youtube it has to be true.

and the full story on what went wrong with the economy.

its all in the spin. the dems have to keep controlling the spin.

and, of course, the economy does have to improve by '12. if it doesnt it IS mr obama's fault.

So obviously, to you, a copy of video from CNN, etc., is all fake...
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:18
East Tofu, not trying to be rude here when I say that You Tube is not a reliable source.

Oh right - I forgot. It's only reliable when it makes the Democratic Party look good.
SaintB
20-03-2009, 15:19
Oh right - I forgot. It's only reliable when it makes the Democratic Party look good.

Apparently someone is trying to be rude.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
that video is from '04. republicans controlled congress. if they had wanted reform, they would have gotten reform. one hearing where some democrats speak against the idea that something needs to be done does not mean anything about whether or not it could be done.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 15:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

So that would be a 'No' then?

P.S.: I want those 8 minutes of my life back. :(
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:29
Apparently someone is trying to be rude.

How is that rude?

I guess this is rude, too.

Any similarities between the Most Money given by Fannie and Freddie to politicians, and the Most Money given by AIG to politicians?

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000123

Gosh, looks like AIG really, really likes Democrats (and John McCain, to be fair).

Look at who likes Senator Dodd - the list of donors sounds familiar, eh?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000581&cycle=Career

And for Barack? Gosh, Goldman Sachs, ...

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

But I guess this isn't a reliable source...
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:30
So that would be a 'No' then?

P.S.: I want those 8 minutes of my life back. :(

Prove it's unreliable. There are text sources (news sources) that say the same thing.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:37
How is that rude?

I guess this is rude, too.

Any similarities between the Most Money given by Fannie and Freddie to politicians, and the Most Money given by AIG to politicians?

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000123

Gosh, looks like AIG really, really likes Democrats (and John McCain, to be fair).

Look at who likes Senator Dodd - the list of donors sounds familiar, eh?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000581&cycle=Career

And for Barack? Gosh, Goldman Sachs, ...

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

But I guess this isn't a reliable source...
those might be interesting. and perhaps worth keeping in mind. but they have nothing to do with the tanking of the economy.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:38
those might be interesting. and perhaps worth keeping in mind. but they have nothing to do with the tanking of the economy.

Yeah, most of the donors had nothing to do with the tanking, right.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:40
Yeah, most of the donors had nothing to do with the tanking, right.
giving money to political campaigns have nothing to do with tanking the economy.

anymore than having a treasury secretary who used to be CEO of goldman sachs was the reason it tanked under bush.
Vetalia
20-03-2009, 15:44
Damn, Obama's approval ratings are plunging fast...he'll be lower than 2001 Bush if this keeps up.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:44
giving money to political campaigns have nothing to do with tanking the economy.

anymore than having a treasury secretary who used to be CEO of goldman sachs was the reason it tanked under bush.

Like I said, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Morgan Stanley, etc., had nothing to do with the tanking, right. And the fact that the lion's share of their money went to the likes of Obama and Dodd doesn't mean anything...

So I suppose you don't think that has anything to do with why Dodd put language in the recent stimulus bill to protect the AIG bonuses, why the Obama Administration was aware of this language (and by extension, the bonuses), and why only at this time are they "shocked" and want to reneg on the bonuses.

No serious conflict of interest, nope. No "pay for results", nope. :rolleyes:
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 15:45
Prove it's unreliable. There are text sources (news sources) that say the same thing.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkT7A3jegBc
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:46
Like I said, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Morgan Stanley, etc., had nothing to do with the tanking, right. And the fact that the lion's share of their money went to the likes of Obama and Dodd doesn't mean anything...

So I suppose you don't think that has anything to do with why Dodd put language in the recent stimulus bill to protect the AIG bonuses, why the Obama Administration was aware of this language (and by extension, the bonuses), and why only at this time are they "shocked" and want to reneg on the bonuses.

No serious conflict of interest, nope. No "pay for results", nope. :rolleyes:
i think that $165 million isnt going to affect the economy either way.

and that there were other reasons than "aig gave me money" that had them keep the bonuses in.

under both administrations.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:46
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkT7A3jegBc

That's hardly an argument.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:47
i think that $165 million isnt going to affect the economy either way.

and that there were other reasons than "aig gave me money" that had them keep the bonuses in.

under both administrations.

So you're ok with Obama and Dodd making sure the AIG bonuses were secured by language in the stimulus bill?

Good to know, because I believe that anyone in favor of those bonuses should have their tax money taken to pay for them.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:50
So you're ok with Obama and Dodd making sure the AIG bonuses were secured by language in the stimulus bill?

Good to know, because I believe that anyone in favor of those bonuses should have their tax money taken to pay for them.
i find it a useless distraction that has become a focus for the (understandable) anger of the public.

we dont pay enough taxes to pay for this bailout.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:52
i find it a useless distraction that has become a focus for the (understandable) anger of the public.

we dont pay enough taxes to pay for this bailout.

The Chinese are loaning us the money and our taxes will, over time, pay the Chinese for the bailout. And our children, and our childrens' children...

Or we default at some point, and laugh at the Chinese.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:53
The Chinese are loaning us the money and our taxes will, over time, pay the Chinese for the bailout. And our children, and our childrens' children...

Or we default at some point, and laugh at the Chinese.
we will never default and there is some chance that the various banks and financial institutions will be able to pay the bailout money back.

supposedly that is what happened in the savings and loan bailout.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 15:53
That's hardly an argument.

On the contrary, I think I made my point quite nicely. :)
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:53
i find it a useless distraction that has become a focus for the (understandable) anger of the public.

we dont pay enough taxes to pay for this bailout.

That guarantee wasn't put in the stimulus bill by Republicans. Republicans don't have the power to do anything on the Hill.

So, how do you spin that bonus guarantee in the stimulus bill as an act solely perpetrated by Republicans, and not by the true actors, Obama, Geithner, and Dodd?
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:54
On the contrary, I think I made my point quite nicely. :)

Only if you're being completely silly. Is that your reputation?
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 15:54
Only if you're being completely silly. Is that your reputation?

Yep. :cool:
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 15:55
Yep. :cool:

*lifts skirt and shows buttcheeks*

Yeah, I can be silly, too.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:56
That guarantee wasn't put in the stimulus bill by Republicans. Republicans don't have the power to do anything on the Hill.

So, how do you spin that bonus guarantee in the stimulus bill as an act solely perpetrated by Republicans, and not by the true actors, Obama, Geithner, and Dodd?
i didnt say solely.

aig has been bailed out 3 times. 2 times by the bush administration and once by the obama administration. the bonuses werent restricted any of those times.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 15:57
On the contrary, I think I made my point quite nicely. :)
it convinced me.
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:00
Damn, Obama's approval ratings are plunging fast...he'll be lower than 2001 Bush if this keeps up.

he already is
East Canuck
20-03-2009, 16:00
That guarantee wasn't put in the stimulus bill by Republicans. Republicans don't have the power to do anything on the Hill.

So, how do you spin that bonus guarantee in the stimulus bill as an act solely perpetrated by Republicans, and not by the true actors, Obama, Geithner, and Dodd?

That's a nice strawman you got there....
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:00
i didnt say solely.

aig has been bailed out 3 times. 2 times by the bush administration and once by the obama administration. the bonuses werent restricted any of those times.

so it's ok if Bush did it?
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:01
That's a nice strawman you got there....

The bonus guarantee was authored by Dodd, asked for by Geithner, known about by Obama.

How is that a strawman? Along with Dodd and Obama being the recipients of the Most Largesse from AIG?
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 16:03
so it's ok if Bush did it?
its more a symptom of who gets those jobs in washington (the treasury kind of jobs) than it is of the huge problems that face the country economically. people who have come from those companies and have made that kind of money are more....understanding...of how those contracts get written and why than we who have to live in the "bonus is for succeeding" world do.

in not saying its OK. im saying that there are far worse things that we should be focusing our anger on.
East Canuck
20-03-2009, 16:06
The bonus guarantee was authored by Dodd, asked for by Geithner, known about by Obama.

How is that a strawman? Along with Dodd and Obama being the recipients of the Most Largesse from AIG?

The part where you ask us to:

So, how do you spin that bonus guarantee in the stimulus bill as an act solely perpetrated by Republicans, and not by the true actors, Obama, Geithner, and Dodd?

is the biggest strawman in a long list of strawman you posted in this thread.

Hint: nobody talked about spinning the bailout solely on the republican.

Pundit.
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:09
Damn, Obama's approval ratings are plunging fast...he'll be lower than 2001 Bush if this keeps up.

that's actually completely untrue.

In the last month, according to Gallup polling, Obama's approval rating has consistently stayed within 63% to 61%
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:09
It is pretty historical precedent. The few exceptions normally involve war, presidents winning by slim margins ( or not winning the popular vote at all).
In this case it is likely not a question of if the republicans will get seats back, but how many will they gain back. If they get only a few seats back, say 2-3 in the Senate and 6-8 in the House. Obama will win, and likely get those seats back during the presidential election.

however if the loss in the Senate is over 8 Seats and the Lose over 20 in the house, the chance of Obama winning is slim.

exactly which senate seats do you think are in danger for the dems? unless the world explodes, from where i'm sitting the dems look very likely to make it to 60+ in the midterms, what with all the republican seats being left vacant. hell, specter may switch parties sooner given that he'll either lose the next primary or lose the next election without a miracle happening.
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:10
he already is

no, he's not. Obama is at 62%, Bush was at 58%.
Zicrious
20-03-2009, 16:11
if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:11
Hint: nobody talked about spinning the bailout solely on the republican.


Ashmoria said that's all Democrats need to continue to do. You must have missed it.

And the hits keep coming...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...president-ob-15.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/president-ob-15.html)

President Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler: 'It's Like the Special Olympics'

March 19, 2009 8:56 PM

The first appearance by a sitting president on "The Tonight Show" may well end up being the last.

President Obama, in his taping with Jay Leno Thursday afternoon, attempted to yuk it up with the funnyman, and ended up insulting the disabled.

Towards the end of his approximately 40-minute appearance, the president talked about how he's gotten better at bowling and has been practicing in the White House bowling alley.

He bowled a 129, the president said.

"That's very good, Mr. President," Leno said sarcastically.

It's "like the Special Olympics or something," the president said.

When asked about the remark, the White House said the president did not intend to offend.

"The president made an off-hand remark making fun of his own bowling that was in no way intended to disparage the Special Olympics," White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton said. "He thinks the Special Olympics is a wonderful program that gives an opportunity for people with disabilities from around the world."
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:12
there is proof that obama was born in kenya

No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 16:12
Ashmoria said that's all Democrats need to continue to do. You must have missed it.

And the hits keep coming...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...president-ob-15.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/president-ob-15.html)
oh do you find that shocking?
Zicrious
20-03-2009, 16:12
With a slight adjustment of the US Constitution...

Ahnold! THE PRESIDENTOR!

:D

that's actually completely untrue.

In the last month, according to Gallup polling, Obama's approval rating has consistently stayed within 63% to 61%

you ppl are only getting your info from one source...multiple sources say his popularity plunged to 40% and downward.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 16:12
if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..

I like you. You're silly. :)
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 16:13
if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..
mr obama has an hawaiian birth certificate. mr schwartzenegger has naturalization papers.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:13
oh do you find that shocking?

Yes. A guy who spent his political career in victim politics shouldn't make a mistake like that.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 16:13
No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?

No. They all work for AIG. ;)
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 16:13
you ppl are only getting your info from one source...multiple sources say his popularity plunged to 40% and downward.
link?
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:14
No. They all work for AIG. ;)

They talked you into keeping them afloat.

Feel stupid yet?
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:14
you ppl are only getting your info from one source...multiple sources say his popularity plunged to 40% and downward.

No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:20
that's actually completely untrue.

nah, bush ended 2001 at around 80-odd%

In the last month, according to Gallup polling, Obama's approval rating has consistently stayed within 63% to 61%

he has declined a bit (see pollster for favorability (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44Fav.xml&choices=Favorable,Unfavorable&phone=&ivr=&internet=&mail=&smoothing=&from_date=2009-01-10&to_date=2009-03-20&min_pct=10&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=) and approval (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44JobApproval.xml&choices=&phone=&ivr=&internet=&mail=&smoothing=&from_date=2009-01-01&to_date=2009-03-25&min_pct=5&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=)) , but that's to be expected. can't stay in the stratosphere while actually trying to get contentious shit done.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:21
can't stay in the stratosphere while actually trying to get contentious shit done.

And with such a bad joke writer, either...

Obama responds to the Special Olympics controversy: "You know, I didn't mess with those people's chromosomes. This administration has inherited these genetic anomalies."
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:23
nah, bush ended 2001 at around 80-odd%

Oh, I was taking it as "at the same point in his presidency".

Yeah if you're looking at ALL of 2001, then sure Obama is lower than Bush's approval rating. He started lower. Bush's post 9/11 approval rating was one of the highest, ever.



he has declined a bit (see pollster for favorability (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44Fav.xml&choices=Favorable,Unfavorable&phone=&ivr=&internet=&mail=&smoothing=&from_date=2009-01-10&to_date=2009-03-20&min_pct=10&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=) and approval (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php?xml=/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44JobApproval.xml&choices=&phone=&ivr=&internet=&mail=&smoothing=&from_date=2009-01-01&to_date=2009-03-25&min_pct=5&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=)) , but that's to be expected. can't stay in the stratosphere while actually trying to get contentious shit done.

Sure, he declined off his high, but that's mostly due to a few independents switching. Obama is in a pretty gritty reality right now, and not everything he will do will resound with everyone.

That being said, he's STILL more popular than Bush OR Clinton was, at the same point in their presidencies.
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:24
And with such a bad joke writer, either...

man, i love when conservatives pretend to be indignant about shit that they don't care about.
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:24
Obama responds to the Special Olympics controversy: "You know, I didn't mess with those people's chromosomes. This administration has inherited these genetic anomalies."

No, he did not.
The Parkus Empire
20-03-2009, 16:25
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/xrpwgramtuk2hrx66nttna.gif

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116845/Obama-Approval-Equal-Better-Bush-Clinton.aspx
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:27
man, i love when conservatives pretend to be indignant about shit that they don't care about.

don't care about? Hell, I think making fun of retarded people would be a passtime for some of them
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:28
man, i love when conservatives pretend to be indignant about shit that they don't care about.

Care to prove that I don't care about it? Or are you finished with your strawman?
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 16:30
Care to prove that I don't care about it? Or are you finished with your strawman?
you can try to deny it but no one will believe that you find it offensive to refer to leno's "thats pretty good" as a special olympics kind of praise.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 16:31
Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?

Probably not. The Limbaugh drones pretty much sent the ones with brains into obscurity, identity changes and denial of being a right winger.
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:31
don't care about? Hell, I think making fun of retarded people would be a passtime for some of them

it's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.


the best i've seen was a commentator on a left-ish blog loudly complaining about the hypocrisy of the left on this issue. small problem. the blog post they left the comment on was calling obama out.
The Parkus Empire
20-03-2009, 16:40
man, i love when conservatives pretend to be indignant about shit that they don't care about.

That is an absurd generalization.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:41
it's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.


the best i've seen was a commentator on a left-ish blog loudly complaining about the hypocrisy of the left on this issue. small problem. the blog post they left the comment on was calling obama out.

Like I said, it's ok if Obama does it. Not ok if a Republican does it.

After all, I think we all remember where we were when we found out JFK had gone on the Tonight Show and mocked the developmentally disabled. As FDR said: "The only thing we have to fear is... one of those people trying to hug us."
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:42
Like I said, it's ok if Obama does it. Not ok if a Republican does it.

After all, I think we all remember where we were when we found out JFK had gone on the Tonight Show and mocked the developmentally disabled. As FDR said: "The only thing we have to fear is... one of those people trying to hug us."
stop stealing other people's material. It wasn't funny the first time. Bad enough when you plagiarize.
East Tofu
20-03-2009, 16:43
stop stealing other people's material. It wasn't funny the first time. Bad enough when you plagiarize.

Bad enough when you make sweeping strawman assertions about conservatives...
East Canuck
20-03-2009, 16:45
Bad enough when you make sweeping strawman assertions about conservatives...

Pot, meet kettle.
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:45
Hey guys, you know, I admit to not being all that familiar with far east cuisine, but isn't kimchi sometimes made with tofu?

Just sayin'
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:48
the best i've seen was a commentator on a left-ish blog loudly complaining about the hypocrisy of the left on this issue. small problem. the blog post they left the comment on was calling obama out.
Like I said, it's ok if Obama does it. Not ok if a Republican does it.

as i was saying...
Gift-of-god
20-03-2009, 16:48
Hey guys, you know, I admit to not being all that familiar with far east cuisine, but isn't kimchi sometimes made with tofu?

Just sayin'

Deep Kimchi and East Tofu have different writing styles. If I were to care, I would bet that she's his daughter.
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 16:49
That is an absurd generalization.

you are right, sometimes i do find it tedious, and thus do not always love it.
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 16:50
Deep Kimchi and East Tofu have different writing styles. If I were to care, I would bet that she's his daughter.

and one just so happens to appear right when the other exited stage left.

And DK never pretended to be a woman before, nope nope, not ever.
Psychotic Mongooses
20-03-2009, 16:52
and one just so happens to appear right when the other exited stage left.

And DK never pretended to be a woman before, nope nope, not ever.

Nah, the sig is different too. He always kept the same style. But..... meh, you could be right.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 17:01
Hey guys, you know, I admit to not being all that familiar with far east cuisine, but isn't kimchi sometimes made with tofu?

Just sayin'

It's possible, but there were one or two recent ones who also had the same sort of smells before. Could be there's some squid multi-limb ingredients here, but it's a bit too tenuous to be sure... hang on a moment.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14619156#post14619156

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14618754#post14618754

This looks familiar. Reeeeaaallly familiar.
Heikoku 2
20-03-2009, 17:05
It's possible, but there were one or two recent ones who also had the same sort of smells before. Could be there's some squid multi-limb ingredients here, but it's a bit too tenuous to be sure... hang on a moment.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14619156#post14619156

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14618754#post14618754

This looks familiar. Reeeeaaallly familiar.

Same BS DK Right-wing talking points, yes. And trying to rile me up by mentioning Rio in another thread. I'm still wondering if that's flamebaiting, I would love to see East Tofu being screwed for it.
The Parkus Empire
20-03-2009, 17:07
It seems any vehement conservative or libertarian is considered a flame-baiter.
Heikoku 2
20-03-2009, 17:09
It seems any vehement conservative or libertarian is considered a flame-baiter.

Not really. Our pet stalinist was also considered a troll, remember? It IS about posting style and beyond-the-pale.
Non Aligned States
20-03-2009, 17:14
It seems any vehement conservative or libertarian is considered a flame-baiter.

Any vehement *insert political leaning here* with a penchant for deliberately putting out posts with the direct intention of provoking the other people on the board into hostility is generally considered a flame baiter. It's not just conservatives or libertarians.

Remember Andaras? Crazy Stalinist dude who inundated every second post with "bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie" in between bouts of historical revisionism, calling for the death of everyone not like him while living the high life in capitalist society? He was considered a flame-baiter too. Or just utterly deluded. Didn't matter in the end since he got banned.

DK just has a bigger pool of steam to run on than Andaras.
Gauthier
20-03-2009, 17:24
No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?

On NSG? You're asking for way too much.
Gauthier
20-03-2009, 17:26
Deep Kimchi and East Tofu have different writing styles. If I were to care, I would bet that she's his daughter.

I'll believe that when I read something to the effect of "Daddy said brown people who pray to Allah are all evil and it feels good in the pants to kill them".
Newer Burmecia
20-03-2009, 17:32
Lord in heaven! Are we seriously going to start the next Presidential campaign now?
Gauthier
20-03-2009, 17:40
Lord in heaven! Are we seriously going to start the next Presidential campaign now?

"Destroy the One Ring: Palin/Jindal 2012!!!"
The ant1p0p
20-03-2009, 17:54
To be paid by their children.


On them.

yeah under Obama's plan the only chance of him pawning off the debt on your children with higher taxes is if they're fucking loaded under which case i couldn't really give a shit because if they're making that much than they're doing just fine
Newer Burmecia
20-03-2009, 17:54
"Destroy the One Ring: Palin/Jindal 2012!!!"
That ticket is offensive enough to be sent to Moderation.:tongue:
Risottia
20-03-2009, 18:03
That's why it pays to be on the winning side. Losers usually get treated like dogs.

Cowards, gotta love them. Always switching to the winning side and who cares what would be the right thing to do.
Jello Biafra
20-03-2009, 18:08
It is pretty historical precedent. The few exceptions normally involve war, presidents winning by slim margins ( or not winning the popular vote at all).
In this case it is likely not a question of if the republicans will get seats back, but how many will they gain back. If they get only a few seats back, say 2-3 in the Senate and 6-8 in the House. Obama will win, and likely get those seats back during the presidential election.

however if the loss in the Senate is over 8 Seats and the Lose over 20 in the house, the chance of Obama winning is slim.It's true that precendent says so, but at the moment the Republicans are looking incredibly incompetent right now, even more so than usual. Also, as Ashmoria said:

in order for mr obama to be a one term president the republicans have to get their heads out of their asses and start making reasonable policy proposals. they also have to find a candidate with enough personality to make the public vote against their own best interest.

It can't be that hard, the Democrats did it with BHO.This is debatable - Obama's proposals are too moderate to really be in the public's interest, so you do have a point here.

He was quite impeded by Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd on the subject of subprime loans and Fannie/Freddie.

You can't rewrite the videos on Youtube.How did two Congressmen impede the process? Doesn't it take 218 in the House and 51 in the Senate?
Behaved
20-03-2009, 18:27
No, I voted third-party. I still had a decent opinion of Obama though, and I would have chosen him over McCain.
i agree with you on McCain. i was so happy when i found out he lost. for me "obama won" meant in part that. obama has good points, but i have some reservations. if nothing awful happens in my world by the 100 day mark, i will have a decent opinion of him. i voted for the constitution party, but i had to write it in. the other minor candidates showed on my ballot, so don't think i had an a, b (the main candidates) or c (write-in) choice.
Vetalia
20-03-2009, 18:30
that's actually completely untrue.

In the last month, according to Gallup polling, Obama's approval rating has consistently stayed within 63% to 61%

Pew's saying he hit 59% in the most recent poll. Considering he came in with an approval rating in the 80's, that's a hell of a lot of erosion in such a short span of time. More concerning for him is the fact that his disapproval rating is going up rapidly; while it's still pretty damn small, it's growing quickly and he'll need to turn things around to prevent further declines. He's really being dragged down by gaffes more than anything, so if he can avoid any more major ones, he should see things recover.
Behaved
20-03-2009, 18:38
Well of course he'll be a one term President. The world is going to end the 21st of December, 2012. And with that President-elect Palin will fall a month short of riding her snow machine to the white house. You betcha.
Palin would have to have a surge in intelligence for that to happen. she's the reason the old fart (McMethane aka McCain) lost. that ditz from alaska should go to the supreme court because she is more suited for that. the world will end december 31 2012 at 11:59:59.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999. obama may not survive that long. some people say he will be shot.
Gauthier
20-03-2009, 18:42
obama may not survive that long. some people say he will be shot.

Not if he beats everyone to the punch and points the gun at his own head.

"HOLD IT!! The next man makes a move, the ****** gets it!!"
Behaved
20-03-2009, 18:46
*lifts skirt and shows buttcheeks*

Yeah, I can be silly, too.
let me guess. you're a girl and you like tofu
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 18:46
Pew's saying he hit 59% in the most recent poll. Considering he came in with an approval rating in the 80's, that's a hell of a lot of erosion in such a short span of time.

and this is why cherry-picking data points isn't a good methodology. at the same time he was posting 80s, he was also being put in the 60s by some polls (even the 50s, if we want to trust zobgy's internet poll, which we don't).

More concerning for him is the fact that his disapproval rating is going up rapidly; while it's still pretty damn small, it's growing quickly and he'll need to turn things around to prevent further declines. He's really being dragged down by gaffes more than anything, so if he can avoid any more major ones, he should see things recover.

what is your evidence that it is caused by his 'gaffes'? because it looks to me more like republicans and conservative 'independents' stopped being undecided and started following orders. see:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-reps.php
and
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-inds.php
Behaved
20-03-2009, 18:52
if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..
what proof? do you believe gossipy magazines, like nation enquirer? i don't. Oh, that's right. if he was born in Hawaii he'd have nothing to hide.
greed and death
20-03-2009, 18:56
Pew's saying he hit 59% in the most recent poll. Considering he came in with an approval rating in the 80's, that's a hell of a lot of erosion in such a short span of time. More concerning for him is the fact that his disapproval rating is going up rapidly; while it's still pretty damn small, it's growing quickly and he'll need to turn things around to prevent further declines. He's really being dragged down by gaffes more than anything, so if he can avoid any more major ones, he should see things recover.

it is best to stick with one poll they are going to have different methodologies.
Gallup has Obama as ranked above Clinton and Bush.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116845/Obama-Approval-Equal-Better-Bush-Clinton.aspx
Indecline
20-03-2009, 19:06
A country that re-elected Dubya, largely with the mindset of "let him finish what he started" will most likely re-elect the president who was elected to clean up his mess- unless he starts making sensible policy decisions.
Free Soviets
20-03-2009, 19:34
It is pretty historical precedent. The few exceptions normally involve war, presidents winning by slim margins ( or not winning the popular vote at all).
In this case it is likely not a question of if the republicans will get seats back, but how many will they gain back. If they get only a few seats back, say 2-3 in the Senate and 6-8 in the House. Obama will win, and likely get those seats back during the presidential election.

however if the loss in the Senate is over 8 Seats and the Lose over 20 in the house, the chance of Obama winning is slim.
exactly which senate seats do you think are in danger for the dems? unless the world explodes, from where i'm sitting the dems look very likely to make it to 60+ in the midterms, what with all the republican seats being left vacant. hell, specter may switch parties sooner given that he'll either lose the next primary or lose the next election without a miracle happening.

just wanted to unbury this

relevant stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010#Predictions
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/senate-rankings-march-2009-edition.html
Neo Art
20-03-2009, 19:46
Considering he came in with an approval rating in the 80's,

That is a lie. (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/04/debunked-obamas-approval-rating-plunges-15-points/) Obama's approval rating, on the day he was inaugurated, was 68%. Not "in the 80s". he had about an 80% approval of how he was handling the transition, which is a radically different thing.

The lowest polls have Obama somewhere around 60%. Which means he's dropped a whole...8 points. Nowhere near the 20+ points you're talking about.

So, I'll repeat again, the above quoted post...is a lie.
Hebalobia
20-03-2009, 19:51
Jesus H. Christ at least give the guy 90 days in office before writing his obituary.

If Obama manages to restore the economy and accomplish half the stuff he's trying to get done it's more likely there will be a movement to repeal the 22nd Amendment and make him eligible for more than two terms.

The fact of the matter is most people live for today and let tomorrow worry about itself.

On the other hand, if his policies fail to turn the economy around and only result in an enormous amount of additional debt, then he'll be out on his ear and rightly so.

But I think I'll give him at least a year or two to clean up the mess created in 8 years of Bush misrule before I decide.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 20:17
Jesus H. Christ at least give the guy 90 days in office before writing his obituary.



its tradition to give him 100 days before the claws come out.

but with so much stuff being passed i can see why they couldnt wait.
Heikoku 2
20-03-2009, 20:25
its tradition to give him 100 days before the claws come out.

but with so much stuff being passed i can see why they couldnt wait.

I don't think it's so much about the stuff being passed as it is about a simple-minded hatred for the man in the case of neocons. He did unseat their stupid, stupid leader.
United Dependencies
20-03-2009, 20:34
Nope.

1.Too early to judge.
2.People like when the State gives money to them. And if such money is covered by futures, bonds, raising taxes to high incomes, lowering military expenses, cutting parliamentary benefits, hitting on CEOs' bonuses, cutting welfare programs... well, they don't care very much as long as money comes to them.

too bad most of what you said won't happen because congress thinks we do care if that stuff gets cut.
Yootopia
20-03-2009, 20:36
People are fickle and we have ages left.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 20:41
I don't think it's so much about the stuff being passed as it is about a simple-minded hatred for the man in the case of neocons. He did unseat their stupid, stupid leader.
he did not unseat their stupid leader. he was on his way out anyway.

those who listen to conservative talk radio and foxnews are treated to a constant stream of vitriol that is hard to look past if you are already inclined to not like the president's politics. its very ugly and looks to me more like "we dont have anything that we can get him on so we'll make up terrible lies instead"
Kryozerkia
20-03-2009, 20:50
No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?

Neo, I expect a lot more from you than this, and I expect you to know better. Yellow-carded.
Heikoku 2
20-03-2009, 20:50
he did not unseat their stupid leader. he was on his way out anyway.

those who listen to conservative talk radio and foxnews are treated to a constant stream of vitriol that is hard to look past if you are already inclined to not like the president's politics. its very ugly and looks to me more like "we dont have anything that we can get him on so we'll make up terrible lies instead"

Heck, morons still believe he's Kenyan.
Skallvia
20-03-2009, 21:35
Good Luck with that...Look up how many Presidents had only one term, and then look up their popularity levels...

The numbers add up to an Obama 2nd Term...

*nods*
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 21:41
Heck, morons still believe he's Kenyan.

That's easy enough to prove. We put him in a marathon. If he wins, he's Kenyan. :D
Galloism
20-03-2009, 21:42
That's easy enough to prove. We put him in a marathon. If he wins, he's Kenyan. :D

Bet he can win the special olympics version. :p
Skallvia
20-03-2009, 21:46
That's easy enough to prove. We put him in a marathon. If he wins, he's Kenyan. :D

Unless we gave the other Kenyans PowerThirst, thereby creating a paradoxing reality warp...
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 21:47
Bet he can win the special olympics version. :p

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The kid with no feet is pretty damn fast! *nod*
Lunatic Goofballs
20-03-2009, 21:49
Unless we gave the other Kenyans PowerThirst, thereby creating a paradoxing reality warp...

Well, we'd have to make sure he's the only possible Kenyan.
Galloism
20-03-2009, 21:50
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The kid with no feet is pretty damn fast! *nod*

Gotta love the dedication to eat that much so he can roll his way through the marathon.
Ashmoria
20-03-2009, 21:57
That's easy enough to prove. We put him in a marathon. If he wins, he's Kenyan. :D
he is tall and thin and not gay. if that doesnt make him kenyan what would?
greed and death
20-03-2009, 23:48
he is tall and thin and not gay. if that doesnt make him kenyan what would?

being HIV positive ?
Ardchoille
21-03-2009, 00:14
That ticket is offensive enough to be sent to Moderation.:tongue:


Addressed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14618449&postcount=11).:tongue:

BTW: /Kenyan riff. ---> Topic.
Ledgersia
21-03-2009, 01:03
That's easy enough to prove. We put him in a marathon. If he wins, he's Kenyan. :D

Or Ethiopian. ;)
Solarlandus
21-03-2009, 01:11
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.


Oh come now! How can you possibly say a thing like that? O_O

After all, his current approval ratings are similar to those that Jimmy"National Malaise" Carter enjoyed 8 weeks into *his* first term and we all know how well Jimmy "Attempts to fight rabbits and loses" Carter's attempt to be elected a second time worked out. ^_~
Ashmoria
21-03-2009, 01:19
Oh come now! How can you possibly say a thing like that? O_O

After all, his current approval ratings are similar to those that Jimmy"National Malaise" Carter enjoyed 8 weeks into *his* first term and we all know how well Jimmy "Attempts to fight rabbits and loses" Carter's attempt to be elected a second time worked out. ^_~
they are also similar to bill clinton's at the same point. and we know how THAT turned out.
Solarlandus
21-03-2009, 01:28
Heh. Indeed. Let's hope that Nancy Pelosi likes being voted out of office the way Jim Wright was. :)
Ashmoria
21-03-2009, 01:36
Heh. Indeed. Let's hope that Nancy Pelosi likes being voted out of office the way Jim Wright was. :)
whatever that means.
Wilgrove
21-03-2009, 01:42
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkT7A3jegBc

Dammit...I never should've told LG about my weakness for kittens or cats!

if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..

Ehh actually....

http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg

No, there isn't.

Can we for once actually get a right winger with some fucking brains?

You want ones with brains, or one fucking brains?

Unless we gave the other Kenyans PowerThirst, thereby creating a paradoxing reality warp...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk

:D
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 01:52
Ehh actually....

http://obama2.com/wp-content/uploads/Barack-Obama-Birth-Certificate-small.jpg

Forget it, Wil. If God Himself descends on Earth and shows not only the papers but also the entire history of Obama and legislation making him an US-born citizen, it won't be enough for neocons to accept that a black is their legitimate president.
Ledgersia
21-03-2009, 01:57
Forget it, Wil. If God Himself descends on Earth and shows not only the papers but also the entire history of Obama and legislation making him an US-born citizen, it won't be enough for neocons to accept that a black is their legitimate president.

They'd accept a black neocon. *runs*
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 01:59
They'd accept a black neocon. *runs*

*Chases*
Ledgersia
21-03-2009, 02:00
*Chases*

*tosses naked woman as a distraction, escapes*
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 02:02
*tosses naked woman as a distraction, escapes*

*Ogles*
Unkerlantum
21-03-2009, 02:02
I don't know about that. Especially if the Republicans still have Rush Limbaugh as their spokesperson.

Yea the dems are still failing to actually make him the republican spokesperson...to the avg joe rush is like bill o reilly or Keith olbermann.

No one pays him THAT much attention, except for the ultra conservatives which doesn't really matter, since they are going to vote conservative even if jesus christ himself was running for the left.

More people pay attention to things like the Treasury department/ current majority party and administration adding/approving a clause in the bailout bill that let AIG get away with giving out millions of dollars in bonuses, which came from tax dollars.
Wuldani
21-03-2009, 02:04
Forget it, Wil. If God Himself descends on Earth and shows not only the papers but also the entire history of Obama and legislation making him an US-born citizen, it won't be enough for neocons to accept that a black is their legitimate president.

It has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with him being a Democrat. It's very difficult for some of my compatriots on the conservative side to accept that a Democrat was elected, so the birth certificate thing was admittedly a desperate attempt on their part to try to prevent a Democrat from gaining power.

I always felt it was highly unlikely that there is an issue with Obama's citizen status, and that we could just wait 4 years and undo the damage, but now I'm not sure. Some of the policies put in place would have negative effects for decades to come, if society continues to exist that long.

Heh, the original reason I stated this post was to state that I voted for Alan Keyes - most definitely not Caucasian, but conservative. For me at least, and I suspect most voters, it's politics and not skin color.
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 02:05
Yea the dems are still failing to actually make him the republican spokesperson...to the avg joe rush is like bill o reilly or Keith olbermann.

No one pays him THAT much attention, except for the ultra conservatives which doesn't really matter, since they are going to vote conservative even if jesus christ himself was running for the left.

Is that why the Republicans had to fellate Limbaugh after he, quite literally, made them their bitch by moaning about the Republican Party leader calling Limbaugh an entertainer (AKA a spade a shovel)?
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 02:07
I always felt it was highly unlikely that there is an issue with Obama's citizen status, and that we could just wait 4 years and undo the damage, but now I'm not sure. Some of the policies put in place would have negative effects for decades to come, if society continues to exist that long.

Obama is undoing the damage Bush did. He'll last about 8 years. By that time, the GOP will fade into insignificance, and the Democrats and a further-left party will become mainstream. Gay marriage will soon after become a reality in most of the US. So will a decent heath-care.

Simple as that. And enjoyable too.
Wilgrove
21-03-2009, 02:17
Obama is undoing the damage Bush did. He'll last about 8 years. By that time, the GOP will fade into insignificance, and the Democrats and a further-left party will become mainstream. Gay marriage will soon after become a reality in most of the US. So will a decent heath-care.

Simple as that. And enjoyable too.

Five bucks says none of that happens.
Krytenia
21-03-2009, 02:37
Call me when it's 2010. Then I might actually formulate an opinion.

Till then, I'm filing this thread under "Wild-Ass Speculation".

- Krytenia: Friendly Neighbourhood UK Conservative
Wuldani
21-03-2009, 02:45
The U.S. will become neither a theocracy nor a liberal paradise. More likely, the economic crisis will worsen until the country is a shell of its former self, and the reins of our country will be handed over to to a charismatic world leader who has a plan to solve all the world's pains and hates every religion (since eventually this world leader will claim to BE God)

This saddens me greatly and I hope it doesn't come true in my lifetime, but it is what has been predicted in the past and speculated recently.
Heikoku 2
21-03-2009, 02:48
The U.S. will become neither a theocracy nor a liberal paradise. More likely, the economic crisis will worsen until the country is a shell of its former self, and the reins of our country will be handed over to to a charismatic world leader who has a plan to solve all the world's pains and hates every religion (since eventually this world leader will claim to BE God)

This saddens me greatly and I hope it doesn't come true in my lifetime, but it is what has been predicted in the past and speculated recently.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hey, guys! Found a guy who actually believes Left Behind!:D
Krytenia
21-03-2009, 02:58
The U.S. will become neither a theocracy nor a liberal paradise. More likely, the economic crisis will worsen until the country is a shell of its former self, and the reins of our country will be handed over to to a charismatic world leader who has a plan to solve all the world's pains and hates every religion (since eventually this world leader will claim to BE God)

This saddens me greatly and I hope it doesn't come true in my lifetime, but it is what has been predicted in the past and speculated recently.

I stand corrected.

That's wild-ass speculation.
Wuldani
21-03-2009, 03:12
I stand corrected.

That's wild-ass speculation.

Thought you might say something like that ;)
CthulhuFhtagn
21-03-2009, 03:43
they are also similar to bill clinton's at the same point. and we know how THAT turned out.

He murdered a bunch of people, lost the electoral vote to Bob Dole, and then horribly murdered Dole while the liberal media was silent. Just like Obama's doing now.
Gauthier
21-03-2009, 04:16
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hey, guys! Found a guy who actually believes Left Behind!:D

A guy? You know, there's a scary number of people out there who buy the books and believe that stuff. And they're the ones who think Caribou Barbie and her Indian sidekick Jindal have a shot at destroying Sauron's Ebil Mozlem Reign.
Skallvia
21-03-2009, 04:52
They'd accept a black neocon. *runs*

Apparently not...

Allow me to introduce you to this man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Steele

it didnt take long for this:

On March 10, 2009, it was reported that Katon Dawson, who placed second in the election for RNC Chairman, "is said to be" organizing a no confidence vote to remove Steele and "is getting the support of several state party chairmen". It is expected that the vote will occur after the March 31 special election to fill a seat in New York's 20th congressional district.[64] Dawson has denied these reports, stating "I support Michael Steele. Our Committee elected him knowing that he can lead us during this critical time for our Party. The people behind this anonymous rumor are clearly intent on dividing the Republican National Committee and our Party at a time when we need to be united."[65]

On March 12, 2009, GQ published an interview in which Steele said abortion is "absolutely... an individual choice", to be decided at the state level.[66] Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, the Christian Coalition,[67] and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council issued statements criticizing Steele's remarks.
Knights of Liberty
21-03-2009, 08:38
:rolleyes:

Thought you might say something like that ;)

Im glad to see you can predict being called on the bullshit you spew.
Krytenia
21-03-2009, 12:57
Im glad to see you can predict being called on the bullshit you spew.

KoL, I think you missed the point of that post entirely. He was "speculating" that I said that...in a humorous, postcognition type way.
Alexandrian Ptolemais
21-03-2009, 13:11
I think Obama will only last one term, because once people realize that digging deeper into the debt hole won't help us, they won't see him as their 'hero' anymore.

Discuss.

There is absolutely no reason why it couldn't happen. Let us not forget that back in the 1970s, the Republicans had a very negative image associated with them - you had the Watergate scandal and so on. Carter won in 1976 mostly because people were sick of the Republicans. Four years later, after bungling the presidency, he lost to Reagan.

Obama could quite easily end up like Carter; Carter made appearances on national television in jerseys, Obama has argued that tyres should be kept inflated.
Behaved
21-03-2009, 13:44
Heh. Indeed. Let's hope that Nancy Pelosi likes being voted out of office the way Jim Wright was. :)
do you live in new york state, solarlandus? i do and so does milks empire. in fact, the area jim wright was senator of is within a few miles of my house. i live near the county line and his senate district is in the next county.
Behaved
21-03-2009, 14:17
[QUOTE=Wilgrove;14620464]Dammit...I never should've told LG about my weakness for kittens or cats! well if you like kittens, then i suppose you like my kitten in a sweater avatar. i did a google image search on cute kittens so i could have a girlie avatar and found it. had to make it a little smaller on paint (computer drawing, photo editing program), though.
SaintB
21-03-2009, 14:22
Dammit...I never should've told LG about my weakness for kittens or cats! well if you like kittens, then i suppose you like my kitten in a sweater avatar. i did a google image search on cute kittens so i could have a girlie avatar and found it. had to make it a little smaller on paint (computer drawing, photo editing program), though.

Ok I have to say it now because at this point its burning and painful not to. I took it at face value when you first clarified that you were female but sometimes you seem to go so far out of your way to prove it that occasionally I actually have to wonder.
Behaved
21-03-2009, 14:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuldani
The U.S. will become neither a theocracy nor a liberal paradise. More likely, the economic crisis will worsen until the country is a shell of its former self, and the reins of our country will be handed over to to a charismatic world leader who has a plan to solve all the world's pains and hates every religion (since eventually this world leader will claim to BE God)

This saddens me greatly and I hope it doesn't come true in my lifetime, but it is what has been predicted in the past and speculated recently.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hey, guys! Found a guy who actually believes Left Behind!:D
the world will end? how long will it be? you think the recent wall street rally was a dead cat bounce? nice to know i'm not the only christian here lol.
and obama is not a theocrat. i saw in a magazine a religion scale of 1 (secularist) to 10 (theocract). BHO scored 8 hahaha.
Behaved
21-03-2009, 14:36
:pOk I have to say it now because at this point its burning and painful not to. I took it at face value when you first clarified that you were female but sometimes you seem to go so far out of your way to prove it that occasionally I actually have to wonder.
i was just telling wilgrove why i have my kitten avatar in case he wondered about it kitten lover that he says he is . i'm an evagelical christian so i am not as a rule a liar. can't you understand that? this is a bad time of the month for me lol.
East Tofu
21-03-2009, 16:20
In answer to those who posted in this thread that conservatives don't care about children with special needs:

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?swf=http%3A//s.ytimg.com/yt/swf/cps-vfl84386.swf&video_id=izn63SHXPMw&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i2.ytimg.com/vi/izn63SHXPMw/hqdefault.jpg&sk=za_LMmPmJUafHIeDTDHc4yCg0v7YUu83C&cr=US&avg_rating=4.75&length_seconds=187&allow_ratings=1&title=Governor%20Palin%27s%20Address%20To%20The%202009%20Special%20Ol...#038;hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x5d1 719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1
Neo Art
21-03-2009, 17:34
In answer to those who posted in this thread that conservatives don't care about children with special needs:

Yup, definitely DK.
Poliwanacraca
21-03-2009, 18:08
Obama could quite easily end up like Carter; Carter made appearances on national television in jerseys, Obama has argued that tyres should be kept inflated.

It really scares me that there apparently exist people who actually think these things have anything to do with one's success at running a country.
CthulhuFhtagn
21-03-2009, 18:28
Keeping your tires inflated is actually really fucking good advice.
Skallvia
21-03-2009, 19:12
Keeping your tires inflated is actually really fucking good advice.

That I unfortunately dont follow :$
Ledgersia
21-03-2009, 20:50
yup, definitely dk.

dk?
Muravyets
21-03-2009, 23:38
if obama can be pres so can arnold...there is proof that obama was born in kenya..but oh he gets away with it cus of the colour of his skin...typical..
Troll.

you ppl are only getting your info from one source...multiple sources say his popularity plunged to 40% and downward.
Which you are out looking for links to, right?

Deep Kimchi and East Tofu have different writing styles. If I were to care, I would bet that she's his daughter.
I don't think their styles are that different. The exact same BS content, the exact same bombarding us with declarative statements without the slightest back-up, the exact same failure to address any points brought up in opposition/challenge, the exact same posting of "sources" that don't say what he/she/they think they say. Maybe the new avatar is someone he knows, but I call DK on this one.

dk?
One of our local repeat offenders.
Gauthier
22-03-2009, 00:44
Troll.


Which you are out looking for links to, right?


I don't think their styles are that different. The exact same BS content, the exact same bombarding us with declarative statements without the slightest back-up, the exact same failure to address any points brought up in opposition/challenge, the exact same posting of "sources" that don't say what he/she/they think they say. Maybe the new avatar is someone he knows, but I call DK on this one.


One of our local repeat offenders.

If it is Kimchi, won't be able to resist posting Ebil Mozlem threads or Demotivators for long.
The Fanboyists
22-03-2009, 03:47
This doesn't really contribute to the discussion, but its sort of related to Obama (http://www.lucente.org/blog/media/1/20090313-debtstar5rk3.jpg).
Lunatic Goofballs
22-03-2009, 03:51
If it is Kimchi, won't be able to resist posting Ebil Mozlem threads or Demotivators for long.

He'll also start a 'so much for global warming' thread that makes even global warming skeptics roll their eyes. :p
Non Aligned States
22-03-2009, 09:45
He'll also start a 'so much for global warming' thread that makes even global warming skeptics roll their eyes. :p

That's more NM's shtick rather than DK's.
Gauthier
22-03-2009, 10:21
That's more NM's shtick rather than DK's.

True, although Leeroy seems to be focusing less on that with his new emphasis on fighting the threat of the Lidless Eye Over Washington.
Ardchoille
22-03-2009, 11:53
Topic, topic, who's got the topic?

(That was a subtle modly hint that you've strayed from it. Presidents are fair game, fellow posters aren't.)
greed and death
22-03-2009, 12:46
Topic, topic, who's got the topic?

(That was a subtle modly hint that you've strayed from it. Presidents are fair game, fellow posters aren't.)

what about mods??? are they fair targets ?
East Tofu
22-03-2009, 14:24
On the subject of Obama, something has mystified me.

During the campaign, he appeared to be a great public speaker.

Apparently, it's now a fact that he can't speak without a teleprompter, and if not supplied with one, will gaffe as quickly as Joe Biden.

In interviews, he doesn't come off as the well-spoken, persuasive public speaker he was during his campaign speeches.

It's so different, he seems like someone else entirely.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 14:29
On the subject of Obama, something has mystified me.

During the campaign, he appeared to be a great public speaker.

Apparently, it's now a fact that he can't speak without a teleprompter, and if not supplied with one, will gaffe as quickly as Joe Biden.

In interviews, he doesn't come off as the well-spoken, persuasive public speaker he was during his campaign speeches.

It's so different, he seems like someone else entirely.
i find him charming in interviews.
East Tofu
22-03-2009, 14:42
i find him charming in interviews.

Experts disagree.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2013DE1F-18FE-70B2-A80D5E53217414AB

And he looks so smooth here: http://www.youtube.com/v/jt5dY3vVoZ0&hl=en&fs=1
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 14:50
Experts disagree.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2013DE1F-18FE-70B2-A80D5E53217414AB

And he looks so smooth here: http://www.youtube.com/v/jt5dY3vVoZ0&hl=en&fs=1
the politico thing is about being on message not about being a good speaker or being charming. i think they are expecting far too much from him. he is human after all, not a talking machine.

can you tell me what the youtube video is? it wont come up for me.
East Tofu
22-03-2009, 14:55
the politico thing is about being on message not about being a good speaker or being charming. i think they are expecting far too much from him. he is human after all, not a talking machine.

can you tell me what the youtube video is? it wont come up for me.

It's one of many youtube videos showing him mess up when he gets lost in the teleprompter.

He has a real hard time speaking without one.
Vesland
22-03-2009, 14:57
I'm not very convinced by that stimulus package, neither european plans.
Obama is doing the same mistakes Roosvelt did with his New Deal, that will never work.
In case of crisis, the good solution is not necessarly to spend all the money of tax-payers, it's better to let them spend their money for their own.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 14:59
It's one of many youtube videos showing him mess up when he gets lost in the teleprompter.

He has a real hard time speaking without one.
i dont know how hard it is to cope when the teleprompter goes down. ive never used one.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 15:00
I'm not very convinced by that stimulus package, neither european plans.
Obama is doing the same mistakes Roosvelt did with his New Deal, that will never work.
In case of crisis, the good solution is not necessarly to spend all the money of tax-payers, it's better to let them spend their money for their own.
can you point to a time when that worked?
Infractusterra
22-03-2009, 15:29
Possible. Too early to tell.

If he can actually solve the multiple problems facing the country - stocks, housing, national debt, Iraq occupation, unemployment... he'll probably get back in. But that also depends on who the Republicans throw up, and there may be another Perot-like scenario, given the depths of these problems in three more years. Bloomberg might run. =P The Republicans are going to have to pick someone who isn't moronic and preferrably brings back a more flexible form of conservatism, so no Jindal, no Palin, no Romney, and get away from this evangelical thing. Wealthy business interests and radical Christians should never be in a political organization together.

It'll be interesting.
Free Soviets
22-03-2009, 15:45
The Republicans are going to have to pick someone who isn't moronic and preferrably brings back a more flexible form of conservatism, so no Jindal, no Palin, no Romney, and get away from this evangelical thing.

its difficult to see how they could do such a thing. the only people left are the evil loonies, and they've responded to their staggering losses by upping the crazy to 11. the party bosses would need to do an end-run around their base, which would be more plausible if they weren't just as much part of the nutjob problem themselves at this point.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 15:51
its difficult to see how they could do such a thing. the only people left are the evil loonies, and they've responded to their staggering losses by upping the crazy to 11. the party bosses would need to do an end-run around their base, which would be more plausible if they weren't just as much part of the nutjob problem themselves at this point.
it seems impossible now but there is a huge vaccuum in the sane section of leadership that could well be filled with a good candidate in 3 years.

who thought 3 years ago that barack obama would become president?
Muravyets
22-03-2009, 17:14
Experts disagree.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2013DE1F-18FE-70B2-A80D5E53217414AB

And he looks so smooth here: http://www.youtube.com/v/jt5dY3vVoZ0&hl=en&fs=1
Experts disagree on what Ashmoria finds charming?
Chumblywumbly
22-03-2009, 17:17
who thought 3 years ago that barack obama would become president?
Osama bin Laden.

*nods*
Ledgersia
22-03-2009, 17:24
Osama bin Laden.

*nods*

:confused:
greed and death
22-03-2009, 17:26
Experts disagree on what Ashmoria finds charming?

Yep the society of snooty people have officially declared she has no taste.
Newer Burmecia
22-03-2009, 17:32
:confused:
Perhaps Chumbly was referring to a situation like (http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/11/25/tomo/index.html)this.
Geniasis
22-03-2009, 17:48
Not if he beats everyone to the punch and points the gun at his own head.

"HOLD IT!! The next man makes a move, the ****** gets it!!"

"Hold it, men! I don't think he's bluffing!"

Unless we gave the other Kenyans PowerThirst, thereby creating a paradoxing reality warp...

They’ll run as fast as Kenyans. People will watch them running and think they’re Kenyans. They’ll race as fast as Kenyans, in a race with actual Kenyans, and it’ll be a tie, and they’ll get deported back to Kenya.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hey, guys! Found a guy who actually believes Left Behind!:D

Srsly. Carpathia is the worst fucking antichrist ever.

"Hey guys! What's that? a charming speech for the UN? Klol. I'll just recite the name of every country and its ambassador. Oh, and let me show off that I'm a polyglot too. Yeah, a multilingual enyclopedia. That's charismatic, right?"

Dumbass didn't even try.

There is absolutely no reason why it couldn't happen. Let us not forget that back in the 1970s, the Republicans had a very negative image associated with them - you had the Watergate scandal and so on. Carter won in 1976 mostly because people were sick of the Republicans. Four years later, after bungling the presidency, he lost to Reagan.

Obama could quite easily end up like Carter; Carter made appearances on national television in jerseys, Obama has argued that tyres should be kept inflated.

Except keeping "tyres" inflated really does help.
East Tofu
22-03-2009, 17:53
Except keeping "tyres" inflated really does help.

There's a difference between a technical report, and then having everyone go out and do it.

At this point, demand for oil has dropped so much, it's not worth doing.
United Hindu Charities
22-03-2009, 17:57
it saddens me that people care who the president is when it is congress who is really shitting on america. Congress has been for decades yet everyone wants to blame bush/obama/clinton/regan/carter/etc. For the stink.

thank you!!!!!!!!!1
Jello Biafra
22-03-2009, 19:26
There's a difference between a technical report, and then having everyone go out and do it.Certainly, but in order to ensure people use less gas, you'd have to pass a law mandating it (other than increases in technology).

At this point, demand for oil has dropped so much, it's not worth doing.Decreasing waste is always worth doing, but people are talking about it less because the price of oil has gone down.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 19:30
Yep the society of snooty people have officially declared she has no taste.
that was from back in the 70s when i watched "love boat" on tv.

but it wasnt ME. it was my friend! she was using my tv while i was off at the opera! im innocent i tells ya, innocent!
Intangelon
22-03-2009, 19:33
Exactly how does one tax-cut one's way out of a recession, then? Tried that years ago, didn't work, did it? How's about we allow time to be the judge instead of some two-bit, manure-posting rabble?
Behaved
22-03-2009, 20:13
Can we really judge this after two months? just cause carter, who also had a dem congress talked about his faith was a one-termer, BHO will be too, right? carter was older than 47 when he became president. so there lol.
greed and death
22-03-2009, 21:04
that was from back in the 70s when i watched "love boat" on tv.

but it wasnt ME. it was my friend! she was using my tv while i was off at the opera! im innocent i tells ya, innocent!

The ruling is final... You are tacky.
Socialist Idealists
22-03-2009, 21:09
I think its nonsense to say that Obama will be a one term president because of deficit spending, because that is not the problem. It seems like Obama worked to prevent the ban on executive bonuses in the stimulus bill, and that is a problem. No, the bonuses aren't the main issue, but that position is symbolic of what Obama has been doing all along, serving the elites at the expense of the rest of us. Obama's support for the bailout also proves this fact. It's not simply a question of whether or not Obama has "fixed the economy" yet, of course he hasn't. In a sense, it isn't solely a question of whether Bush destroyed the economy. Liberals rightly opposed Bush as far back as 2000 because he would support the rich, and sure enough, he did. Obama is doing the same thing. It is not about "what works" as Obama said, rather, it is about who Obama's policies are supposed to work for.
greed and death
22-03-2009, 21:34
I think its nonsense to say that Obama will be a one term president because of deficit spending, because that is not the problem. It seems like Obama worked to prevent the ban on executive bonuses in the stimulus bill, and that is a problem. No, the bonuses aren't the main issue, but that position is symbolic of what Obama has been doing all along, serving the elites at the expense of the rest of us. Obama's support for the bailout also proves this fact. It's not simply a question of whether or not Obama has "fixed the economy" yet, of course he hasn't. In a sense, it isn't solely a question of whether Bush destroyed the economy. Liberals rightly opposed Bush as far back as 2000 because he would support the rich, and sure enough, he did. Obama is doing the same thing. It is not about "what works" as Obama said, rather, it is about who Obama's policies are supposed to work for.

not getting into the election business.
But the difference between the deficits before and the deficits now is that the Federal Reserve is buying long term bonds.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/21/BUGF16K7DF.DTL&type=business

Instead of China, as China lost interest in buying them after the Clinton visit.
This also corresponds with the drop in the value of the dollar from 1.25 dollars to a euro to 1.37 dollars to the euro almost over night.
Ashmoria
22-03-2009, 21:53
I think its nonsense to say that Obama will be a one term president because of deficit spending, because that is not the problem. It seems like Obama worked to prevent the ban on executive bonuses in the stimulus bill, and that is a problem. No, the bonuses aren't the main issue, but that position is symbolic of what Obama has been doing all along, serving the elites at the expense of the rest of us. Obama's support for the bailout also proves this fact. It's not simply a question of whether or not Obama has "fixed the economy" yet, of course he hasn't. In a sense, it isn't solely a question of whether Bush destroyed the economy. Liberals rightly opposed Bush as far back as 2000 because he would support the rich, and sure enough, he did. Obama is doing the same thing. It is not about "what works" as Obama said, rather, it is about who Obama's policies are supposed to work for.
yes because really, once everyone realizes that obama wont always punish the financial elite they are going to vote for the populist republicans next time. THEY would never give the rich preferential treatment!
Heikoku 2
22-03-2009, 23:56
Srsly. Carpathia is the worst fucking antichrist ever.

"Hey guys! What's that? a charming speech for the UN? Klol. I'll just recite the name of every country and its ambassador. Oh, and let me show off that I'm a polyglot too. Yeah, a multilingual enyclopedia. That's charismatic, right?"

Dumbass didn't even try.

Ooo, does language knowledge mean you're the devil? Does that mean translators are devils, for having said knowledge, or angels, for making sure some people don't need it? :p
Trostia
23-03-2009, 01:15
Yes, Obama will be a one-term president. But it will be a term that lasts ... FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!