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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509735,00.html

Isn't this like, the third time something like this has happened and made it into the news?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509735,00.html

Isn't this like, the third time something like this has happened and made it into the news?

Cold Weather in North Pole shocker!

Oh wait...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509735,00.html

Isn't this like, the third time something like this has happened and made it into the news?

It's still winter in the northern hemisphere. Bad weather at the north pole is not exactly unprecedented in winter. Also global warming not only heats the air, but adds energy. Added energy=more frequent and stronger storms.

Irony is not delicious, it has a metallic taste.

Irony is not delicious, it has a metallic taste.

Like a penny on the tongue yes.

It's nowhere near as bad as the GOP boy wonder article.

Technically it's still winter here for another day or two...

It's still winter in the northern hemisphere. Bad weather at the north pole is not exactly unprecedented in winter. Also global warming not only heats the air, but adds energy. Added energy=more frequent and stronger storms.

Actually, weather is created by the difference in temperature between the poles and the tropics: warm air is less dense than cold, so cold air moves from the poles to the tropics to equalize pressure which creates wind and air currents. Because it is less dense, warm air is also lighter, so when the cold air moves into areas of warm air it pushes the warm air up, which causes it to cool, making the moisture condense. The now-cooling air also moves back towards the poles to fill the space created by the cold air circulating towards the poles.

More and worse weather is caused by decreasing chaos (the increasing differences in air temperatures - increasing order). Thermodynamics and so on about moving away from order and towards chaos, which is what causes weather.

Global warming causes the poles to warm more than the tropics, slowly decreasing the difference between them. This increases chaos, decreases order, and according to every law of physics and meteorology known to man, should decrease the intensity of weather.

An experiment to do at home: Connect two buckets with a tube at the bottom. Put them at the same height, block the tube, and fill one to the top and the other almost to the top with water (the water represents energy). Unstop the tube and watch as almost nothing happens. A small amount of water will move from the full one to the almost full one, and it will move slowly. The buckets are too similar: there is too much chaos, not enough order, despite there being a lot of water (energy).
Now do the same thing, except leave the other bucket completely empty. Unstop the tube and watch water rush as quickly as possible through the tube and into the empty bucket, spraying or even arching depending on the angle and height of the tube. Less water (energy) over all, but a bigger reaction because there is more order (all the water is on one side) and there needs to be more chaos.


Also, heating the air and adding energy are the same thing.

its cold in the arctic and wet in the ocean yeah ?

With bad weather hampering supply flights, the team is was down to half-rations, battling desperate sub-zero temperatures and unable to proceed, the AFP reported.

*mode class="new mitanni"* See? See? No global warming whatsoever, you liberal Gorist liars! */mode*

:rolleyes:

*mode class="new mitanni"* See? See? No global warming whatsoever, you liberal Gorist liars! */mode*

:rolleyes:
"Gorist".

Gotta love that term. :p Arouses a whole lotta meanings.

So I suppose the fact that our winter this year has been especially mild here in Colorado is to be ignored?

I mean, March is supposed to be our snowiest month, and we've seen maybe one snowfall. Most of the month has been record high temperatures.

So I suppose the fact that our winter this year has been especially mild here in Colorado is to be ignored?

I mean, March is supposed to be our snowiest month, and we've seen maybe one snowfall. Most of the month has been record high temperatures.

on the other hand, Massachusetts had a particularly brutal winter. Single isolated cases one way or the other don't prove much.

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...
A blizzard is weather, weather and climate are different things.

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...

It's there, of course; everyone is just sensitive to the, "See stupid scientists say the globe is burning up but they are very cold now so stupid scientists must be wrong." nonsense.

*sigh* Sometimes when I read things like this, I lose hope. Can people still be this...clueless?

on the other hand, Massachusetts had a particularly brutal winter. Single isolated cases one way or the other don't prove much.

True. I just thought I'd point it out.

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...

Eh, it's worth a chuckle if you either ignore what global warming really is, or if you're completely ignorant of what global warming really is, but other than that it's only really funny with an axe to grind.

*sigh* Sometimes when I read things like this, I lose hope. Can people still be this...clueless?

Its better to lose all your hope. That way you'll never be disappointed. Let it die in one burst rather than by inches.

Eh, it's worth a chuckle if you either ignore what global warming really is, or if you're completely ignorant of what global warming really is, but other than that it's only really funny with an axe to grind.

I never said "funny", I said "irony". Plenty of things are ironic but not funny, and vice versa.

A blizzard is weather, weather and climate are different things.

Really!?

Really!?

You may say this sarcastically, but far too many confuse the two regularly. Meteorology and climatology are not exactly subjects regularly taught in high school.

I never said "funny", I said "irony". Plenty of things are ironic but not funny, and vice versa.

Alright. It's mildly ironic if you are purposefully ignorant about basic climatology.

Alright. It's mildly ironic if you are purposefully ignorant about basic climatology.

Willful suspension of disbelief. Because irony is worth it.

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...
no. its kinda scary, isnt it?

no. its kinda scary, isnt it?

So is the possibility of being killed by being hit by an ambulance. Doesn't make it any less ironic.

You may say this sarcastically, but far too many confuse the two regularly. Meteorology and climatology are not exactly subjects regularly taught in high school.

It's actually taught in elementary school.

*mode class="new mitanni"* See? See? No global warming whatsoever, you liberal Gorist liars! */mode*

:rolleyes:

>.>

<.<

*Makes some calls*

*Watches as a bull named Al shows up.*

*Watches as Al Gores Risottia*

on the other hand, Massachusetts had a particularly brutal winter. Single isolated cases one way or the other don't prove much.

North Carolina also had a brutal winter. Three major snow storms swept by here. Usually we just get like one a year, and the past few years before this one, we didn't get any snow at all.

It's actually taught in elementary school.

It...what?

It...what?

Well, the difference between weather and climate is. In both science and geography actually.

Cold Weather in North Pole shocker!

Oh wait...

This.

Well, the difference between weather and climate is. In both science and geography actually.

I don't remember that being taught in fourth grade.

I don't remember that being taught in fourth grade.

That's because you're an old man now.:p

Irony is not delicious, it has a metallic taste.
Iron is delicious and it is a metal.

Alright. It's mildly ironic if you are purposefully ignorant about basic climatology.

I would say that it's mildly ironic even if you acknowledge the difference between weather and climate. Although the touch of irony is rather overshadowed by the depressing fact that significant numbers of people are likely to consider it proof that 'global warming is a lie!!1!'.

What caught my attention in the news article was this:

http://www.foxnews.com/i/new/fn-header.jpg

If you have to tell people you're "fair and balanced" you're admitting you've got a credibility problem.

I love it how by the Fox News logo they have "fair and balanced", lulz!

And beaten by four minutes, haha. The curse of quick reply on the first page.

I don't remember that being taught in fourth grade.
I don't remember being taught anything in the 4th grade.
twas so long ago.

They have a fairly balanced mix of truth and lies?

i think saying that if its global warming there wouldnt be snow is in line with if we evolved from chimps how come they still exist its a little stupid

They have a fairly balanced mix of truth and lies?

Thanks for the belly laugh. :)

i think saying that if its global warming there wouldnt be snow is in line with if we evolved from chimps how come they still exist its a little stupid

Gesundheit.

on the other hand, Massachusetts had a particularly brutal winter. Single isolated cases one way or the other don't prove much.

It does if the incident is in an unusual place. Spokane seems to be getting the snow that was destined for the Sierra Nevadas. The south dries up, the moisture moves north, and suddenly the Inland Northwest needs to invest far more in plows.

Thanks for the belly laugh. :)

My pleasure.

What caught my attention in the news article was this:

http://www.foxnews.com/i/new/fn-header.jpg

If you have to tell people you're "fair and balanced" you're admitting you've got a credibility problem.

I almost didn't notice the threadjack there. Smooth.

I almost didn't notice the threadjack there. Smooth.

I don't know. Your OP merely invited me to look at the web page. Your thread title is "The irony is delicious". You didn't discuss the content of the article. You may have been referring to the logo. ;)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509735,00.html

Isn't this like, the third time something like this has happened and made it into the news?

Asininity tastes like pie.

Asininity tastes like pie.

Who the hell do you think I am!?

I don't know. Your OP merely invited me to look at the web page. Your thread title is "The irony is delicious". You didn't discuss the content of the article. You may have been referring to the logo. ;)

I did, in fact, discuss the content by asking if I'm right in believing that this has happened several times before. Seeing as how a logo doesn't "happen", it's a long shot justifying believing the OP could possibly be about the logo.

here's a thought:

if you take an ice cube and stir it into a drink

(preferably Grey Goose)

the drink gets colder!

at least that's the idea.

so, if you make lots of giant ice cubes by breaking of glacier bits (a result of warming) the immediate effect is to cool things off.

i suspect this would make for cooler summers along North America's Atlantic coast for awhile

until the ice is all gone

and then...woe is us, warm vodka!

I did, in fact, discuss the content by asking if I'm right in believing that this has happened several times before. Seeing as how a logo doesn't "happen", it's a long shot justifying believing the OP could possibly be about the logo.

I am wrong. You are right. :eek2:

Like a penny on the tongue yes.Or swishing a little sangre around after a good smack in the kisser.

"Gorist".
Arouses a whole lotta.Fixed.
Our local station 100.5 The Fox has mention of something from his litany of inventions nearly every single working day, varied and illustrative.

>.>

<.<

*Makes some calls*

*Watches as a bull named Al shows up.*

*Watches as Al Gores Risottia*

Damn bovines... It's them and their methane-filled farts the real problem with the environment!

Save the globe! Eat beef!

:D

I am wrong. You are right. :eek2:

I'm ever wrong?

here's a thought:

if you take an ice cube and stir it into a drink

(preferably Grey Goose)

the drink gets colder!

at least that's the idea.

so, if you make lots of giant ice cubes by breaking of glacier bits (a result of warming) the immediate effect is to cool things off.

i suspect this would make for cooler summers along North America's Atlantic coast for awhile

until the ice is all gone

and then...woe is us, warm vodka!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyTm_0D0uS8

So is the possibility of being killed by being hit by an ambulance. Doesn't make it any less ironic.

Getting killed by being hit by an ambulance isn't ironic.

Global warming causes the poles to warm more than the tropics, slowly decreasing the difference between them.
This is the exact opposite of truth. Most of the warming occurs in the equatorial Pacific, increasing the temperature gradient from tropics to pole.

Getting killed by being hit by an ambulance isn't ironic.

You're ironic.

Getting killed by being hit by an ambulance isn't ironic.

Nor is it a tragedy.

It is however, darkly amusing.

I think this calls from an Educational Quote from our lovable Robot, Bender...

The use of words expressing something other than their
literal intention. Now that IS irony!

—Bender

They have a fairly balanced mix of truth and lies?
I think they are blonde and have a set of scales.

I think this calls from an Educational Quote from our lovable Robot, Bender...

Coincidentally, that's verbal irony, specifically.

So you all are saying there is no irony - pointed, humourous, or otherwise - in a group of scientists studying global warming being stuck in a blizzard...

Anyone dumb enough to not research the weather report before undertaking an expedition to such a hostile place...

dumb enough not to use vapor barriers in their sleeping bags...

It's ironic, largely because for climate experts, they seem to know zilch about weather.