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But only if you are Native American living on a reservation.

I met this gentleman from the Pomo nation. The Pomo's are Native Americans from California. And he has actually has two wives. His friend, a Yokut, had 5 wives.
I've been told by feminists that polygamy automatically means female enslavement and inequality. But among the Pomo, the men and the women do exactly the same kind of work. Men and women both serve on the Tribal Council and have the same rights and authority.

How long do you think it will be before the State of California sends the National Guard to invade the reservations in the name of mainstream Christianity? BTW, the Pomos are not Christians, they still follow the original Pomo polythiestic faith. Though the state has tried in the past to force them to give up their religion.

Do you think that Cali will follow Texas lead, and raid the reservations to abduct the children at gunpoint to force modern secular values on them?

Without a source or something, I dont believe you.

Its not that Ive found you to be totally untrustworthy or anything...

Oh wait, thats exactly it.

Regardless if this is true or not. Who would want the headache?

Sweet chocolate jesus!!

When are you going to learn enough Indian Law not to embarass yourself?

Sweet chocolate jesus!!

When are you going to learn enough Indian Law not to embarass yourself?

I'm going with....not any time soon.

California would only go in if it had reason, as did Texas, that there was abuse of minors, and that minors were being denied their basic human rights. Otherwise, I doubt the state would get involved. With no mention of abuse of children and no article or anything otherwise to verify the legitimacy of this, I would say that there is no true reason to act. The FLDS would have never dealt with the state if there wasn't potential abuse being reported.

UnitedStatesOfAmerica - Cite please,

and especially for this one-

Do you think that Cali will follow Texas lead, and raid the reservations to abduct the children at gunpoint to force modern secular values on them?

Asd I am a native Texan and don't remember any such news.

If you are talking about the raids on Warren Jeffs polygamous sect - they are NOT Native Americans and they do not live on reservations! - get your facts straight!

Sweet chocolate jesus!!

When are you going to learn enough Indian Law not to embarass yourself?Indian Law? You do know that not all nations have the same laws. Which laws are you referring to?

Sweet chocolate jesus!!

mmmmm....chocolate...

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What is wrong with Polygamy anyway?

http://www.learncalifornia.org/doc.asp?id=1897

"While most California Indians were monogamous, the chief was often polygamous, allowing him to enhance his power by establishing multiple marriage alliances with other families while his multiple wives further enriched him with their collective labors."

Wait. That was a Chief I was talking to.

I'm told that my great-great grandfather was an honorary chief. He certainly missed an opportunity there...

Indian Law? You do know that not all nations have the same laws. Which laws are you referring to?

American Indian Law, a subject which we have discussed before (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14336883&postcount=215), which refers to that body of law dealing with the status of Indian tribes, their special relationship to the federal government, and internal regulations--with all the attendant consequences for the tribes and their members, the states and their citizens, and the U.S. federal government.

What is wrong with Polygamy anyway?

Nothing as long as the adults are consenting. I think it should be legal right a long with a whole host of things including but not limited to Marijuana.

I'm told that my great-great grandfather was an honorary chief. He certainly missed an opportunity there...

Opportunity? He probably dodged a bullet.

Edit:

Marriage is difficult as it is with one spouse for the most part. I couldn't imagine having to deal with multiple. It just sounds absurd to me. If one really wants another woman just get a mistress, booty call or what have you. To be fair this works for both husbands and wives.

http://www.learncalifornia.org/doc.asp?id=1897

"While most California Indians were monogamous, the chief was often polygamous, allowing him to enhance his power by establishing multiple marriage alliances with other families while his multiple wives further enriched him with their collective labors."

Wait. That was a Chief I was talking to.

Your link has nothing to do with the modern laws of any tribe or their relationship with state laws.

Fail.

Your link has nothing to do with the modern laws of any tribe or their relationship with state laws.

Fail.
do you think that his wives are recognized as wives off the res? are they all on his tax returns?

But only if you are Native American living on a reservation.


Ethnical discrimination against non-Native Americans or even Native Americans living outside reservations!

Btw, aren't there in America some christian groups who practice polygamy?

Ethnical discrimination against non-Native Americans or even Native Americans living outside reservations!

Btw, aren't there in America some christian groups who practice polygamy?
yes but its not legal here.

every now and then they go after polygamous towns for whatever violations they can get them on.

Families are made up of a husband, wife, and their children. This is the most basic family unit of the Southern Valley Yokuts. They use totem symbols to indicate “patrilineal totemic lineage”. Totemic symbols are normally an animal which is not to be eaten and is praised and looked up to. The mother’s totem is never passed to her children, but she still prays to the one her father passed on to her and her siblings. Most often the paternal moiety is passed on, but if there was a large family the husband sometimes “gave” his wife one or two children who accepted the responsibilities of the mother.

Funny how they don't mention the polygamy (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/yokuts.html).

Wait i am 1/128th Native American. Time to hit the reservation. I wonder how much would i have to donate to get adopted.

But only if you are Native American living on a reservation.


Or living in one of those isolated Mormon splinter communities.

Or living in one of those isolated Mormon splinter communities.

we call those reservations too.

Wait i am 1/128th Native American. Time to hit the reservation. I wonder how much would i have to donate to get adopted.

:rolleyes:

Thank you, Cat-Tribes, for removing the need for me to dispense some bitch slappings.

yes but its not legal here.

every now and then they go after polygamous towns for whatever violations they can get them on.

Correct me if I'm wrong... But I'm pretty sure some of the ones out West have some kind of special exemption because of religious grounds or something like that.

Correct me if I'm wrong... But I'm pretty sure some of the ones out West have some kind of special exemption because of religious grounds or something like that.
no they dont.

but they skirt the law the same way the texas polygamists did. they have one "real" wife (married with a state issue marriage certificate) and a dozen "spiritual" wives (married only in the church).

and most people these days dont much care. given the state of monogamy these days, its hard to get all worked up about polygamy.

except where they are forcing underaged girls to "marry" old men and are forcing teen boys out of the community altogether.

Correct me if I'm wrong... But I'm pretty sure some of the ones out West have some kind of special exemption because of religious grounds or something like that.

State Authorities tend not to enforce because it would generate a large number of wards of the state.

Or eh what about most of Salt Lake City and all that.

Or eh what about most of Salt Lake City and all that.
the church of jesus christ of latter day saints renounced polygamy before utah became a state.

mormon polygamists have their own sects that are mostly not located near salt lake city.

Marriage is difficult as it is with one spouse for the most part. I couldn't imagine having to deal with multiple. It just sounds absurd to me. If one really wants another woman just get a mistress, booty call or what have you. To be fair this works for both husbands and wives.

Having a wife and a mistress is easier than having 2 wives in what way?

Having a wife and a mistress is easier than having 2 wives in what way?
mistress lives in a seperate home and does not interact with wife. (in most relationships)

What was the name of that movie about this kind of thing starring the guy who played the dad in Diff'rent Strokes?

Be careful of what you mean by "legal."

Does any wife other than the first wife have any legal protection in a U.S. court such as community property? Does the husband have any legal custodial rights in a U.S. court to the offspring of wives other than the first wife?

I could be wrong but I suspect that you will find that the answer is no and that legally the husband has one recognized legal wife and what amounts to a mistress or mistresses occupying the position of subsequent wives.

Be careful of what you mean by "legal."

Does any wife other than the first wife have any legal protection in a U.S. court such as community property? Does the husband have any legal custodial rights in a U.S. court to the offspring of wives other than the first wife?

I could be wrong but I suspect that you will find that the answer is no and that legally the husband has one recognized legal wife and what amounts to a mistress or mistresses occupying the position of subsequent wives.
i think that those particular issues are decided by the particular indian nation they are members of.

its the off reservation rules that i wonder about. if mrs #2 moves to san diego can she still have legal claim on her husbands property?

You people are completely forgetting that the Warren Jeffs/yearning for Zion fiasco was a CPS matter. Most of the "brides" these guys were taking were in the 12-14 year range. (future Mothr-in-law works for CPS, and we're only about 3 hours away)

Consenting adults-fine. Underage-NO

mistress lives in a seperate home and does not interact with wife. (in most relationships)

True, though there is hiding the fact that one has a mistress from the wife, making sure the mistress doesn't want more, doesn't reveal the secret to the wife, and especially that she doesn't get pregant.

i think that those particular issues are decided by the particular indian nation they are members of.

its the off reservation rules that i wonder about. if mrs #2 moves to san diego can she still have legal claim on her husbands property?

I'm under the opinion that the OP is lying, or that the Native Americans he spoke to were pulling his or her leg. I have yet to find any internet source even suggesting that polygyny, or any form of ploygamy, was or is practised by the Pomo or Yokut peoples.

I'm under the opinion that the OP is lying, or that the Native Americans he spoke to were pulling his or her leg. I have yet to find any internet source even suggesting that polygyny, or any form of ploygamy, was or is practised by the Pomo or Yokut peoples.
its hard to say. the polygamy thing might be unofficial or it might be so rarely done that no one wants to mention it on webpages that might tend to put them in a bad light.

or it might have been a total lie. no way to know unless you know some pomos or yokuts.