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Former President George W. Bush, making his first public speech since leaving office in January, says he wants President Barack Obama to succeed and that it's "essential" to support the new leader. Bush declined to critique the Obama administration in Tuesday's speech, saying the new president has enough critics and that he "deserves my silence."

Bush spoke in Calgary, Canada on March 17, 2009. The invitation-only event titled a "Conversation with George W. Bush" attracted close to 2,000 guests who paid $3,100 per table. Bush received two standing ovations from the predominantly business crowd. link (http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/i/1101/03-18-2009/20090318005010_03.html)

I can't find a transcript of the speech, but here are some excerpts from the press coverage:

Former President George W. Bush said that if President Obama wants help, “he can pick up the phone and call.” Otherwise, Bush said: “He deserves my silence.”

“There's plenty of critics in the arena,” Bush told a crowd in Calgary, Canada. “I think it's time for the ex-president to tap dance off the stage and let the current president have a go at solving the world's problems. If he wants my help and I agree with him, I'll give it.”

....

Early in his remarks, Bush made his point about his successor.

“I want to say something about Barack Obama. Now, he was not my first choice for president. But when he won, I thought it was good for the United States of America. I was deeply touched and deeply moved when I saw African-Americans weeping on TV saying, ‘I never thought it was possible.’ I want the president to succeed. I love my country a lot more than I love politics. I think it is essential that he be helped in the office. …

“My staff did a fabulous job. I had a great chief of staff named Josh Bolten who walked in in the summer of '08, and he said: ‘Whoever wins, we're going to help them on the transition.’ And it's important that Obama had the support from us. And now he's in the Oval. And there's no way to describe what it means, the sense of responsibility that comes. And I can't help him any more than this: I'm not going to spend my time criticizing him.”

linky (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20160.html)

This attitude slightly improves my dismal view of Bush. Now if only his followers would take the hint.

Awww... and our favorite Bushevik was just 24ed too. The paradox might have made for a spectacular Head Asplode.

But seriously, I think he's just saying what he likes because he's no longer The Decider and it's Obama's job to clean up the 8 Year Frat Party he threw at the nation's expense. Of course he wants Obama to succeed, he's obcessed with his own "legacy" and he doesn't want it to be "Turned the United States into a Second or Third World Nation".

They won't, because Bush is no longer running for office, which means he doesn't have to parrot the GOP Soundbites.

I think that Bush genuinely wants to do what's best for America. I see him more as a misguided fool, than as a malevolent bastard.

It still doesn't erase the damage he did though.

Isn't it an unwritten rule that former U.S. Presidents don't criticize sitting U.S. Presidents anyway?

I think that Bush genuinely wants to do what's best for America. I see him more as a misguided fool, than as a malevolent bastard.

It still doesn't erase the damage he did though.


I agree. I believe that Dick Cheney and his cronies only showed him positive sides of issues which mortified the rest of the country, and thus made us loath him. He probably is sitting on his Texas ranch thinking, "What the FUCK?! Why does everyone hate me?!"

Like you said: he was seriously, severely, and totally misguided. Because he's a naive fool I might add.

I agree. I believe that Dick Cheney and his cronies only showed him positive sides of issues which mortified the rest of the country, and thus made us loath him. He probably is sitting on his Texas ranch thinking, "What the FUCK?! Why does everyone hate me?!"

Like you said: he was seriously, severely, and totally misguided. Because he's a naive fool I might add.

"It's because I didn't fly down to Nawlins when Katrina hit, isn't it?"

"It's because I didn't fly down to Nawlins when Katrina hit, isn't it?"

lol funny story behind that...I'm from Florida, and he drove through my town waving and taking pictures with his wife in my hometown, which had been devestated by three consecutive hurricane strikes. His personal helicopter came and landed in a field a few miles away from my condominium, and he flew by at low level waving at all the people. What I don't think he noticed was that we weren't waving back, about five hundred people were flipping him the bird. :D

That speech took class. Too bad that after-the-fact he is appearing to be a uniter by calling on all Americans to back Obama.

It helps to support my contention that Bush is a genuinely nice person, just a piss-poor leader.

Former President George W. Bush, making his first public speech since leaving office in January, says he wants President Barack Obama to succeed and that it's "essential" to support the new leader. Bush declined to critique the Obama administration in Tuesday's speech, saying the new president has enough critics and that he "deserves my silence."

Bush spoke in Calgary, Canada on March 17, 2009. The invitation-only event titled a "Conversation with George W. Bush" attracted close to 2,000 guests who paid $3,100 per table. Bush received two standing ovations from the predominantly business crowd. link (http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/i/1101/03-18-2009/20090318005010_03.html)

“I want to say something about Barack Obama. Now, he was not my first choice for president. But when he won, I thought it was good for the United States of America. I was deeply touched and deeply moved when I saw African-Americans weeping on TV saying, ‘I never thought it was possible.’ I want the president to succeed. I love my country a lot more than I love politics. I think it is essential that he be helped in the office. …

I believe I said something more or less the same, when Obama won. to some fellow posters here on NSG.

KoL was there, if I recall correctly.

Btw, I would have loved to have been at that Calgary event. :)

I want NM to read this.

I want NM to read this.

I don't think he's off of his 24 yet.:(

That speech took class.

No, it took nothing at all. He had everything to gain, in terms of public perception, and nothing whatsoever to lose.

I don't think he's off of his 24 yet.:(

Im in no hurry.

No, it took nothing at all. He had everything to gain, in terms of public perception, and nothing whatsoever to lose.

He still had plenty to lose. He was by no means at the bottom of the pecking chain. Besides, he would have been rabble rouser with his speech. After all, he was visiting what Ontario considers to be 'redneck' Canada.

He still had plenty to lose. He was by no means at the bottom of the pecking chain. Besides, he would have been rabble rouser with his speech. After all, he was visiting what Ontario considers to be 'redneck' Canada.

There's a redneck Canada?

There's a redneck Canada?

There are rednecks in every country.

There are rednecks in every country.

Why doesn't anyone tell me these things????

There's a NON-redneck Canada?

Fixed.:D

(And kidding)

Why doesn't anyone tell me these things????

Well, for example, the UK has the Welsh. ;)

There's a redneck Canada?

Eastern Canada typically perceives Alberta as being the redneck province; Alberta considers Eastern Canada to be a bunch of spoiled liberal hippies, so it balances out for the most part. You sound surprised that there is a 'redneck' part to Canada. But you shouldn't be surprised. Every country has its 'redneck' area. Some are just not as obvious as others.

Eastern Canada typically perceives Alberta as being the redneck province; Alberta considers Eastern Canada to be a bunch of spoiled liberal hippies, so it balances out for the most part. You sound surprised that there is a 'redneck' part to Canada. But you shouldn't be surprised. Every country has its 'redneck' area. Some are just not as obvious as others.

See the Welsh;)

Who is this 'Bush' fellow, anyway?

Get back to me when someone important, like Rush Limbaugh, says something.

There are rednecks in every country.

Eastern Canada typically perceives Alberta as being the redneck province; Alberta considers Eastern Canada to be a bunch of spoiled liberal hippies, so it balances out for the most part. You sound surprised that there is a 'redneck' part to Canada. But you shouldn't be surprised. Every country has its 'redneck' area. Some are just not as obvious as others.

Maybe my definition of redneck is just off. I picture this:

http://southchild.com/images/redneck_horseshoes.jpg

Eastern Canada typically perceives Alberta as being the redneck province; Alberta considers Eastern Canada to be a bunch of spoiled liberal hippies, so it balances out for the most part. You sound surprised that there is a 'redneck' part to Canada. But you shouldn't be surprised. Every country has its 'redneck' area. Some are just not as obvious as others.

we do??? oh man I really need to learn these things. I mean i guess I'd call the "prarie provinces" more conservative but redneck? . . . .i dunno

It helps to support my contention that Bush is a genuinely nice person, just a piss-poor leader.

Genuinely nice people don't authorize torture or illegal detention.

Genuinely nice people don't authorize torture or illegal detention.

Well if you are going to split hairs.....

I would love to say this vindicates a small pet theory I had on Dubya.

Remember that hoopla when The Attack of the Clones came out and all of a sudden we had pundits on both sides howling about how Lucas was comparing Bush to Darth Vader?

I objected to that analogy, not only because it was an insult to Darth Vader, but it was way off the mark.

I argued that Lucas was comparing George W. Bush to Jar-Jar Binks.

They're both floppy eared galoots with speech impediments.

They were both unlikely to get into political office, yet they both made it in.

They both allowed the True Evil to achieve power.

Isn't it an unwritten rule that former U.S. Presidents don't criticize sitting U.S. Presidents anyway?

All except Jimmy Carter. =\

All except Jimmy Carter. =\

But everyone knows Jimmy Carter is the most irrelevant and disastrous President in history, worse than Buchanan, Grant, Harding, Nixon and Bush II combined.

It's true, I heard it on NSG.

Genuinely nice people don't authorize torture or illegal detention.

On a personal level, with people he knows. Also, we don't know how much of that was a result of being not "nice" and how much of it was being genuinely misguided, unimaginative, mislead by his advisors - remember Presidents really don't know anything that their advisors don't want them to know unless they actively pursue it - and I doubt that he actively pursued information.

But everyone knows Jimmy Carter is the most irrelevant and disastrous President in history, worse than Buchanan, Grant, Harding, Nixon and Bush II combined.

It's true, I heard it on NSG.

He's history's greatest monster.

It's true, I heard it on The Simpsons.

I would love to say this vindicates a small pet theory I had on Dubya.

Remember that hoopla when The Attack of the Clones came out and all of a sudden we had pundits on both sides howling about how Lucas was comparing Bush to Darth Vader?

I objected to that analogy, not only because it was an insult to Darth Vader, but it was way off the mark.

I argued that Lucas was comparing George W. Bush to Jar-Jar Binks.

They're both floppy eared galoots with speech impediments.

They were both unlikely to get into political office, yet they both made it in.

They both allowed the True Evil to achieve power.
Wow, you mean Lucas had the power back in '77 to predict Bush's rise to power and subsequent fall in the public eye?

Get THAT man into politics. He can save the world, and save Star Wars fans from piss-poor attempts to regain the "glory days" of the franchise at the same time!

Wow, you mean Lucas had the power back in '77 to predict Bush's rise to power and subsequent fall in the public eye?

Get THAT man into politics. He can save the world, and save Star Wars fans from piss-poor attempts to regain the "glory days" of the franchise at the same time!

Lucas never had glory days he days that he didn't have an overinflated ego and veto power.

This increases my opinion of Bush, ever so slightly.

There's a redneck Canada?

I believe in America you call them "Liberals".

I believe in America you call them "Liberals".


You have that reversed.

Well, for example, the UK has the Welsh. ;)

I suspect certain rural areas of Norfolk and the West Country are far, far worse.

Well done Bush anyway; hardly a difficult task, but at least he is attempting to retire to his fireside and leave well alone, as opposed to the jug eared twat Blair.

This attitude slightly improves my dismal view of Bush. Now if only his followers would take the hint.

I didn't vote for Obama... and I'm not a fan of his economic tomfoolery... but I really agree with Bush on this. Obama is our elected leader, and $800,000,000,000 pork chops isn't enough to, say impeach him, or make any other such legal move against him.

He deserves our (that is to say everyone's) respect as our leader until he does something catastrophic on some kind of moral ground. Like I said, I'm not his biggest fan... but I'm sure hoping he does a good job, now would be a good time for it, and I'm glad Bush can step aside gracefully, and not criticize... in fact, this 'endorsement' by Bush is probably the most harmful thing he could've done to Obama! :tongue:

Sorry... this is a bit weird... my wording isn't flowing to the jive, or some such, at the moment.

Former President George W. Bush, making his first public speech since leaving office in January, says he wants President Barack Obama to succeed and that it's "essential" to support the new leader. Bush declined to critique the Obama administration in Tuesday's speech, saying the new president has enough critics and that he "deserves my silence."


It's unfortunate that there were two past Presidents that didn't share that sentiment during the GWB years. I think we could have done quite well without Mr Carter and Mr Clinton trying so hard to give advice.

It's unfortunate that there were two past Presidents that didn't share that sentiment during the GWB years. I think we could have done quite well without Mr Carter and Mr Clinton trying so hard to give advice.

Judging by the last eight years, Dubya would have been well advised to at least listen to Clinton.

Judging by the last eight years, Dubya would have been well advised to at least listen to Clinton.
He might'a had better poll numbers, but that's about it. Clinton didn't know what it meant to stick with anything.

I'll stand by GWB with regard to two things -- the big across-the-board tax cuts and the long view on fighting terrorists.

I'll stand by GWB with regard to two things -- the big across-the-board tax cuts and the long view on fighting terrorists.

He did real well on both those.

Those tax cuts for the rich really helped the economy:rolleyes:


And he had a real long view on fighting terrorists, what with the whole ignoring "Bin Laden to strike within US" memo Clinton left him.:rolleyes:

Its almost like you dont remember recent history.

It helps to support my contention that Bush is a genuinely nice person, just a piss-poor leader.

Aye, I am sure he is one fun guy to party with. At least back in the day. Funny though I always say my ex-wife was a good person just a shitty wife.

It's unfortunate that there were two past Presidents that didn't share that sentiment during the GWB years. I think we could have done quite well without Mr Carter and Mr Clinton trying so hard to give advice.

Perhaps I just don't remember, but, once President Bush was elected, did former President Carter or former President Clinton criticize GWB during the first 60 days of his administration?

He did real well on both those.

Those tax cuts for the rich really helped the economy:rolleyes:

The tax cuts generated plenty of revenue -- far more that CBO estimated. But neither party could restrain themselves when it came to spending. There's two parts to the budget, don't forget that.


And he had a real long view on fighting terrorists, what with the whole ignoring "Bin Laden to strike within US" memo Clinton left him.:rolleyes:

Its almost like you dont remember recent history.
If we want to trade Bin Laden stories, how 'bout the time Clinton had Bin Laden offered up on a plate, but the same guy that stuffed all sorts of classified files into his underwear and socks said, that he didn't want to bring him into the justice system.

Don't even start on how Clinton did a better job on fighting terror. It's a battle you can't win.

The tax cuts generated plenty of revenue -- far more that CBO estimated. But neither party could restrain themselves when it came to spending. There's two parts to the budget, don't forget that.

Oh yeah, the minority democrats were to blame.

The democrats had no say till 2006. By then the damage was done.

Perhaps I just don't remember, but, once President Bush was elected, did former President Carter or former President Clinton criticize GWB during the first 60 days of his administration?
I don't recall putting a bound on my wish. Whether or not they remained silent during the first 60, or even 100 days, they certainly had no reservations about criticizing him during the remaining 7+ years of his term.

Oh yeah, the minority democrats were to blame.

The democrats had no say till 2006. By then the damage was done.
You don't really get it, do you? I don't particularly care who was to blame. Congress screwed us by spending too much. Period.


I see you've dropped the terrorism stuff. Thanks for the concession.

I believe in America you call them "Liberals".

Again I hear your voice in my mind as a semi-squeaky authoritative one.

I don't recall putting a bound on my wish. Whether or not they remained silent during the first 60, or even 100 days, they certainly had no reservations about criticizing him during the remaining 7+ years of his term.

Before or after Enron, War of Choice, Katrina, and so on, and so forth?

I don't recall putting a bound on my wish. Whether or not they remained silent during the first 60, or even 100 days, they certainly had no reservations about criticizing him during the remaining 7+ years of his term.

1. Well, we'll see if Bush actually remains silent for the next 8 years. I'll stick to minor praise for his one speech and not hold my breath.

2. Dick Cheney has already rolled out the attack-machine.

Dick Cheney has already rolled out the attack-machine.

Do provide the links, I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little tonight.

1. Well, we'll see if Bush actually remains silent for the next 8 years. I'll stick to minor praise for his one speech and not hold my breath.

2. Dick Cheney has already rolled out the attack-machine.
Not sure what Cheney's agenda is except that he's been asked questions and given answers. How would it look if he were just to refuse any interviews?

Do provide the links, I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little tonight.
He was on CNN this last weekend. Basically, he said he wouldn't do things the way Obama has. Who'd a guessed that?

Do provide the links, I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little tonight.

Cheney says Obama's policies 'raise the risk' of U.S. terror attack (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/15/cheney.interview/index.html)

Transcript (http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2009/03/15/transcript-dick-cheney-interview-with-cnns-john-king-cheney-says-obama-choices-create-risk/)

Not sure what Cheney's agenda is except that he's been asked questions and given answers. How would it look if he were just to refuse any interviews?

:rolleyes:

Poor Dick was forced to bash Obama? Really? :headbang:

If we want to trade Bin Laden stories, how 'bout the time Clinton had Bin Laden offered up on a plate, but the same guy that stuffed all sorts of classified files into his underwear and socks said, that he didn't want to bring him into the justice system.

Don't even start on how Clinton did a better job on fighting terror. It's a battle you can't win.

Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html)

Nice attempt at Whig History, though.

Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html)

Nice attempt at Whig History, though.
Answer: Probably not. That sure is categorical.

One can only wonder what was on the documents that Berger stuffed into his shorts.

I think the general public that view obama as some sort of god and bush as some sort of demon is the exact reason why most other developed countries call us the 'most unintelligent developed country'. most idiots would take the drug deluded theory of oliver stone ('w') as the truth, just as they would take what obama says as the truth. the real truth is that almost no one knows what the fuck they are talking about. All these big companies that are misusing the money that we already don't have that they are being given to save their asses? obama approved. the 800 billion dollar road and job repair plan? only 5% goes to road and job repair. obama approved. he is only paying back all the campaign contributors and is no different that bush or nixon or even hitler for that matter. just a charismatic guy who wants to be president for his own glory and lied about everything to get his shot. And by the way, he is doing more damage than good for the african american community. as badly as he is already fucking up, it will be another 200 years before the american public votes in another black guy.
fuck obama

You don't really get it, do you? I don't particularly care who was to blame. Congress screwed us by spending too much. Period.


I see you've dropped the terrorism stuff. Thanks for the concession.
Nah, no concession. I just can only deal with right wing historical revisionism for so long before I stop caring.
I think the general public that view obama as some sort of god and bush as some sort of demon is the exact reason why most other developed countries call us the 'most unintelligent developed country'. most idiots would take the drug deluded theory of oliver stone ('w') as the truth, just as they would take what obama says as the truth. the real truth is that almost no one knows what the fuck they are talking about. All these big companies that are misusing the money that we already don't have that they are being given to save their asses? obama approved. the 800 billion dollar road and job repair plan? only 5% goes to road and job repair. obama approved. he is only paying back all the campaign contributors and is no different that bush or nixon or even hitler for that matter. just a charismatic guy who wants to be president for his own glory and lied about everything to get his shot. And by the way, he is doing more damage than good for the african american community. as badly as he is already fucking up, it will be another 200 years before the american public votes in another black guy.
fuck obama
lulz. You were one of those "Ron Paul 2008" kids werent you?

I think the general public that view obama as some sort of god and bush as some sort of demon is the exact reason why most other developed countries call us the 'most unintelligent developed country'. most idiots would take the drug deluded theory of oliver stone ('w') as the truth, just as they would take what obama says as the truth. the real truth is that almost no one knows what the fuck they are talking about. All these big companies that are misusing the money that we already don't have that they are being given to save their asses? obama approved. the 800 billion dollar road and job repair plan? only 5% goes to road and job repair. obama approved. he is only paying back all the campaign contributors and is no different that bush or nixon or even hitler for that matter. just a charismatic guy who wants to be president for his own glory and lied about everything to get his shot. And by the way, he is doing more damage than good for the african american community. as badly as he is already fucking up, it will be another 200 years before the american public votes in another black guy.
fuck obama

Two bucks say he doesn't go above 20 posts.

and btw, i sat through katrina. not a damn part of it was bush's fault; the authorities tried to help; thug gangsters and psychos fucked up the rest of the state and shot at rescue workers so they could continue to rape their houses full of people and have anarchy. kanye west is a fucking dumb idiot and so is everyone else that thinks they know what they were talking about but weren't there. i was. most of what the news says is utter bullshit. most of what went wrong was the idiots that live in louisiana taking a 'loot' holiday at the nations and bushes expense.

Answer: Probably not. That sure is categorical.

One can only wonder what was on the documents that Berger stuffed into his shorts.

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/35-81/35-81924-F.jpg

Oh look, it can be shifted!

Nice of you to conveniently ignore the important parts of the link:

The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer

Ultimately, however, it doesn’t matter. What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.

When confronted with the fact that your "Slick Willy Let Bin Laden Get Away!!!!!111111" story is bunk, instead you switch into Conspiracy Mode and try to get that Goalpost drifting with "Sandy Berger STOLE the papers that proves it all!!!!!11111"

Niiiiiice.

:rolleyes:

and btw, i sat through katrina. not a damn part of it was bush's fault; the authorities tried to help; thug gangsters and psychos fucked up the rest of the state and shot at rescue workers so they could continue to rape their houses full of people and have anarchy. kanye west is a fucking dumb idiot and so is everyone else that thinks they know what they were talking about but weren't there. i was. most of what the news says is utter bullshit. most of what went wrong was the idiots that live in louisiana taking a 'loot' holiday at the nations and bushes expense.

Funny, Belldandy, the goddess I'm currently having sex with, says you were nowhere near Louisiana.

See how easy it is to make unproven statements?

When confronted with the fact that your "Slick Willy Let Bin Laden Get Away!!!!!111111" story is bunk, instead you switch into Conspiracy Mode and try to get that Goalpost drifting with "Sandy Berger STOLE the papers that proves it all!!!!!11111"

Niiiiiice.

:rolleyes:

only in the minds of the most deluded and delusional does "there's no proof" become proof in and of itself.

Funny, Belldandy, the goddess I'm currently having sex with, says you were nowhere near Louisiana.

See how easy it is to make unproven statements?

is it Bilquis?

Careful, that bitch is crazy.

is it Bilquis?

Careful, that bitch is crazy.

Belldandy:

http://www.geocities.com/johnnyfighter/Belldandy.jpg

and btw, i sat through katrina. not a damn part of it was bush's fault; the authorities tried to help; thug gangsters and psychos fucked up the rest of the state and shot at rescue workers so they could continue to rape their houses full of people and have anarchy. kanye west is a fucking dumb idiot and so is everyone else that thinks they know what they were talking about but weren't there. i was. most of what the news says is utter bullshit. most of what went wrong was the idiots that live in louisiana taking a 'loot' holiday at the nations and bushes expense.

No, Bush pretty much fucked up. I have family there.

No, Bush pretty much fucked up. I have family there.

And indeed, between one round of "fun" and another, Bell-chan told me you do. :D

my passion for my country doesn't mean arguing for as long as possible. it means telling the truth, so that 'dems' or 'gops' don't mean shit. who was right? who was wrong? i don't have all the answers, and the truth is you don't either, mr. '20 posts'. i don't feel the need to post more than twenty times so you lose a bet no one will keep up anyway. i'm just stating how i feel, with facts i acquired through several mediums. i didn't just watch an obama commercial and feel like i know what is going on, nor did i just watch a mccain commercial and feel like it. i watched both, then looked up their particular voting histories in the senate, and so on and so forth. mccain said the truth about most things, and almost all of obama's votes in the senate reflect the opposite of what he promised us, and that is showing now, with the way the economy is still falling. we're not dead yet, the damage is not all done. if you believe that kill yourself now, because its all down hill from here. and no, i didn't vote for ron paul. fuck ron paul. i voted for mccain, because it would have been slow progress, but at least progress. obama is only holding the edge of the sinking ship screaming 'i have no experience but i swear to god i can save us!! listen to me!!! worship me!! i am the one, and i will reverse time, cure cancer, and make cars run effectively on water!! i am the reincarnate of jesus'.
have a sense of humor. i prefer the truth, not some sort of agenda. i want my country to heal. if obama does it, great. but his history, lack of experience, inability to answer questions without a teleprompter, and proven lies dont speak well for us.

my passion for my country doesn't mean arguing for as long as possible. it means telling the truth, so that 'dems' or 'gops' don't mean shit. who was right? who was wrong? i don't have all the answers, and the truth is you don't either, mr. '20 posts'. i don't feel the need to post more than twenty times so you lose a bet no one will keep up anyway. i'm just stating how i feel, with facts i acquired through several mediums. i didn't just watch an obama commercial and feel like i know what is going on, nor did i just watch a mccain commercial and feel like it. i watched both, then looked up their particular voting histories in the senate, and so on and so forth. mccain said the truth about most things, and almost all of obama's votes in the senate reflect the opposite of what he promised us, and that is showing now, with the way the economy is still falling. we're not dead yet, the damage is not all done. if you believe that kill yourself now, because its all down hill from here. and no, i didn't vote for ron paul. fuck ron paul. i voted for mccain, because it would have been slow progress, but at least progress. obama is only holding the edge of the sinking ship screaming 'i have no experience but i swear to god i can save us!! listen to me!!! worship me!! i am the one, and i will reverse time, cure cancer, and make cars run effectively on water!! i am the reincarnate of jesus'.
have a sense of humor. i prefer the truth, not some sort of agenda. i want my country to heal. if obama does it, great. but his history, lack of experience, inability to answer questions without a teleprompter, and proven lies dont speak well for us.

1. Capitalization.
2. The fact that you voted McCain is not suprising.
3. This post is short on facts and heavy on right wing talking points.

my passion for my country doesn't mean arguing for as long as possible. it means telling the truth, so that 'dems' or 'gops' don't mean shit. who was right? who was wrong? i don't have all the answers, and the truth is you don't either, mr. '20 posts'. i don't feel the need to post more than twenty times so you lose a bet no one will keep up anyway. i'm just stating how i feel, with facts i acquired through several mediums. i didn't just watch an obama commercial and feel like i know what is going on, nor did i just watch a mccain commercial and feel like it. i watched both, then looked up their particular voting histories in the senate, and so on and so forth. mccain said the truth about most things, and almost all of obama's votes in the senate reflect the opposite of what he promised us, and that is showing now, with the way the economy is still falling. we're not dead yet, the damage is not all done. if you believe that kill yourself now, because its all down hill from here. and no, i didn't vote for ron paul. fuck ron paul. i voted for mccain, because it would have been slow progress, but at least progress. obama is only holding the edge of the sinking ship screaming 'i have no experience but i swear to god i can save us!! listen to me!!! worship me!! i am the one, and i will reverse time, cure cancer, and make cars run effectively on water!! i am the reincarnate of jesus'.
have a sense of humor. i prefer the truth, not some sort of agenda. i want my country to heal. if obama does it, great. but his history, lack of experience, inability to answer questions without a teleprompter, and proven lies dont speak well for us.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011h.gif

and my entire family lives there too. no one here can prove any of their statements, so whatever, heik. i attended the university of lousiana at lafayette, on the corner of johnson street, right across from burger king, taco bell, and the foreign students housing unit. lick balls.

i attended the university of lousiana at lafayette

Your lack of capital letters does not give me confidence in their standards.

and most of your posts are short on facts and high on obama fumes. left wing douchebaggery, i would call it. i'm not a republican as a matter of fact, i go both ways, like boy george. . .:) and the typical college student 'i read poetry and am so unique' snotty punk ass dispellation of what other people say because you know it all doesn't surprize me, nor does it bother me. i am actually studying politics and public relations now. . .so wait 15 years then vote for me, asshole.
and by the way, screaming 'im different and politically informed' is the norm now. get over it.

i attended the university of lousiana at lafayette *snip irrelevance* lick balls.

I think he's trying to tell us what he did at the University of Louisiana. Unless of course, he's referring to the non-existent university of lousiana, which is probably some cheap tenement in the slums.

i do agree with one thing, though:
bush was a poor misguided idiot, and cheney is the antichrist. i think he's giving his title to obama, though. oh, and joe biden has the i.q. of a fence post and is a raving lunatic to boot.

and most of your posts are short on facts and high on obama fumes. left wing douchebaggery, i would call it.
Riiiiight.
and the typical college student 'i read poetry and am so unique' snotty punk ass dispellation of what other people say because you know it all doesn't surprize me, nor does it bother me.
Maow?
i am actually studying politics and public relations now. . .so wait 15 years then vote for me, asshole.
Provided you are more articulate when you run...
and by the way, screaming 'im different andM politically informed' is the norm now. get over it.
What?

and by the way, screaming 'im different and politically informed' is the norm now.

Unfortunately for you, doesn't actually make it true. And when it comes time to voting for someone, I think I'll go for the guy who went to a school that takes something SLIGHTLY less than 70% of people who apply.

oh, clever. . .put one part of my post and clip out the rest to your effect. you should work for cnn

oh, and joe biden has the i.q. of a fence post and is a raving lunatic to boot.

The right keeps saying this, but doesnt really have any examples or facts to back this accusation up.

Did he shoot someone in the face? No? Then stfu.

I think he's trying to tell us what he did at the University of Louisiana. Unless of course, he's referring to the non-existent university of lousiana, which is probably some cheap tenement in the slums.

hey, it's entirely unfair and not at all humorous to make fun of someone JUST BECAUSE he doesn't know the name of the place he goes to school.

They taught me that at Yail

a school that takes something SLIGHTLY less than 70% of people who apply.
Is that true?

Awesome.

Is that true?

Awesome.

Fall 2007 Acceptance rate: 70.2 % (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/2031)

Unfortunately for you, doesn't actually make it true.

sentence fragment. . .so i guess you aren't typing perfect either? i guess you forgot to spell check your post before you clicked 'send' in your aggravation. too bad i was busy making a valid point instead of making infantile remarks about insignificant misspellings or puntuation errors. i'm not writing a term paper, dipshit. i'm posting something on a forum.
just like you hippie liberals: when the facts are not at your fingertips, resort to saying
'na na na na na!'
stick to political discussion in the forum, you'll look smarter. your hedged quotations and comments are about as funny as david spade without chris farley.

hey, it's entirely unfair and not at all humorous to make fun of someone JUST BECAUSE he doesn't know the name of the place he goes to school.

They taught me that at Yail

And the Paladin wins the thread!

hey, it's entirely unfair and not at all humorous to make fun of someone JUST BECAUSE he doesn't know the name of the place he goes to school.

They taught me that at Yail

Are you sure it wasn't Fail? I'm certain that's where this joker was taught. :p

It helps to support my contention that Bush is a genuinely nice person, just a piss-poor leader.

Genuinely nice people don't authorize torture or illegal detention.

On a personal level, with people he knows.

No, they don't do it at all. Misguided is when your tax preparer says "No, you don't have to declare that as income." and then , oops, it turns out you did. Ordering torture and illegal detention is flat out criminal and deliberately so.

sentence fragment. . .so i guess you aren't typing perfect either? i guess you forgot to spell check your post before you clicked 'send' in your aggravation.
One mistake is excusable and expected.

Your entire post being one big mistake is not.
too bad i was busy making a valid point instead of making infantile remarks about insignificant misspellings or puntuation errors. i'm not writing a term paper, dipshit. i'm posting something on a forum.
just like you hippie liberals: when the facts are not at your fingertips, resort to saying
'na na na na na!'
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that youre actually making points.
stick to political discussion in the forum, you'll look smarter. your hedged quotations and comments are about as funny as david spade without chris farley.
Look, it thinks its funny.

and i'm going to bed now. this doesn't mean you've won, it means i'm tired. i'll be back. have fun flipping between posts and free porn tours while you wait to make friends.

and i'm going to bed now. this doesn't mean you've won, it means i'm tired. i'll be back. have fun flipping between posts and free porn tours while you wait to make friends.

I dont need to flip between the two. I just have two windows up. Julia Bond is hot.

Isn't it cute how he thinks he's making an argument? This must be what they teach at the *checks*....370th best college in the country.

and if one mistake is excusable, then by your standards your lord obama is not. and more of you crap only proves me right.
me: reply and political discussion
you: name calling and retardation

Do provide the links, I feel like throwing up in my mouth a little tonight.

Wouldn't drinking vast quantities of booze be a more pleasant way of doing that?

and i'm going to bed now. this doesn't mean you've won, it means i'm tired. i'll be back. have fun flipping between posts and free porn tours while you wait to make friends.

Okay, we'll be here.

*Changes tabs to an Asian porn website and faps*

me: reply and political discussion

*chuckles*

are you even going to college, neo? let me guess, harvard, right? open minded, tolerant guy that you are, it would make sense. . .wait, why is everyone laughing?

too bad i was busy making a valid point instead of making infantile remarks

just like you hippie liberals: when the facts are not at your fingertips, resort to saying
'na na na na na!'

I think this speaks for itself. :p

me: reply and political discussion
You really think youre making points and discussing things, dont you? This isnt 4chan. We kinda have standards.
you: name calling and retardation
Do you really not see why the above is hilarious?

are you even going to college, neo?

am I GOING to college? No. Mainly because I'm not 19.

let me guess, harvard, right?

Only for lawschool.

are you even going to college, neo? let me guess, harvard, right? open minded, tolerant guy that you are, it would make sense. . .wait, why is everyone laughing?

Thats actually really funny, because Neo is a Harvard grad.

and i'm going to bed now.

and if one mistake is excusable, then by your standards your lord obama is not. and more of you crap only proves me right.
me: reply and political discussion
you: name calling and retardation

Well KoL, you were wrong, he came back. Just to fling poo like a monkey. Must be that "lousiana edjumacation". :p

Well KoL, you were wrong
I kind of want to sig this, because I have a twiste sense of humor.
Just to fling poo like a monkey. Must be that "lousiana edjumacation". :p
I lol'd.

Thats actually really fun, because Neo is a Harvard grad.

Careful KoL. I may have spent a few years in the hallowed halls of Harvard Law, but that's only because my first choice didn't take me.

So do not say I am a "Harvard grad". I am, in my heart, a Yale man. And NEVER insinuate a Yalie went to Harvard.

So do not say I am a "Harvard grad". I am, in my heart, a Yale man. And NEVER insinuate a Yalie went to Harvard.

Understood.:p

me: reply and political discussion
you: name calling and retardation

just like you hippie liberals

left wing douchebaggery

dipshit

asshole

You're cute. :tongue:

Careful KoL. I may have spent a few years in the hallowed halls of Harvard Law, but that's only because my first choice didn't take me.

So do not say I am a "Harvard grad". I am, in my heart, a Yale man. And NEVER insinuate a Yalie went to Harvard.

Which is better again?

You're cute. :tongue:

*Pulls the cord again* :tongue:

Which is better again?

As someone who went to neither, I can say as an unbiased third party that theyre basically equal.

Which is better again?

Depends on whether you ask someone from Harvard or Yale. :p

In reality, though, they're widely considered to be the two best major universities in the country, so which is #1 and which is #2 doesn't really matter a great deal.

Which is better again?

ehh, it really depends on opinion and perspective. The "ivy league trifecta" of Yale/Harvard/Princeton shift in the ratings back and forth.

Of course, the year I went to Yale undergrad, Harvard was ranked #1 and Yale #2, and the year I went to Harvard Law, Yale law was #1 and Harvard #2. I'm doomed to being #2 I guess....

Though Yale has a SERIOUS inferiority complex when it comes to Harvard (though of course most Yalies will say Harvard as a serious superiority complex when it comes to Yale).

Hell our fight song, which is, mind you, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, basically says "we're going to beat you, Harvard"

Which is better again?
Oxford?

Two bucks say he doesn't go above 20 posts.

<slaps down my imaginary internet two bucks>

http://www.bowhunting.net/Hunts/Deer/2004/Images/Lease/December/Dec13-2BucksOnHill.jpg

<slaps down my imaginary internet two bucks>

http://www.bowhunting.net/Hunts/Deer/2004/Images/Lease/December/Dec13-2BucksOnHill.jpg

I got two bucks too, however they are stuck together.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg114/whitetail0403/ATT00149-1-1.jpg

Hell our fight song, which is, mind you, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, basically says "we're going to beat you, Harvard"

Speaking of inferiority in song...

The Portuguese Anthem has some lines like: "Heroes of the sea, noble people, immortal, valiant nation, raise back again today Portugal's splendor."

Portugal is very aware of what it once was...

Edit: Wikied the anthem. Heck, it's even MORE focused on the past than I thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Portuguesa

Portuguese lyrics Approximate translation
First stanza

Heróis do mar, nobre povo,
Nação valente, imortal,
Levantai hoje de novo
O esplendor de Portugal!
Entre as brumas da memória,
Ó Pátria, sente-se a voz
Dos teus egrégios avós,
Que há-de guiar-te à vitória!


Heroes of the sea, noble people,
Brave and immortal nation,
Now is the time to raise again
The splendor of Portugal!
Amidst the mists of memory,
Oh Fatherland, we hear the voice
Of your noble forefathers,
That shall lead you to victory!
Chorus

Às armas, às armas!
Sobre a terra, sobre o mar,
Às armas, às armas!
Pela Pátria lutar!
Contra os canhões,marchar, marchar!


To arms, to arms!
Over the land, over the sea,
To arms, to arms!
To fight for our Fatherland!
Against the cannons, march, march!
Second stanza

Desfralda a invicta Bandeira,
À luz viva do teu céu!
Brade a Europa à terra inteira:
Portugal não pereceu
Beija o solo teu jucundo
O Oceano, a rugir d'amor,
E teu braço vencedor
Deu mundos novos ao Mundo!


Hoist the unconquerable Flag,
In the living light of your sky!
Cry to Europe and to the world:
Portugal has not perished
Kiss your sacred ground
The Ocean, roaring with love,
And your conquering arm
Gave new worlds to the World!
Chorus
Third stanza

Saudai o Sol que desponta
Sobre um ridente porvir;
Seja o eco de uma afronta
O sinal do ressurgir.
Raios dessa aurora forte
São como beijos de mãe,
Que nos guardam, nos sustêm,
Contra as injúrias da sorte.


Salute the Sun that rises
Over a smiling future;
Let the echo of an offense
Be the sign for your resurrection.
Rays of the strong dawn
Are like a mother's kisses,
That keep us, sustain us,
Against the injuries of fate.
Chorus

Portugal is very aware of what it once was...

A place with nice chicken? :P

ehh, it really depends on opinion and perspective. The "ivy league trifecta" of Yale/Harvard/Princeton shift in the ratings back and forth.

Of course, the year I went to Yale undergrad, Harvard was ranked #1 and Yale #2, and the year I went to Harvard Law, Yale law was #1 and Harvard #2. I'm doomed to being #2 I guess....

Though Yale has a SERIOUS inferiority complex when it comes to Harvard (though of course most Yalies will say Harvard as a serious superiority complex when it comes to Yale).
At least you didn't go to Brown. The underachieving little brother of Harvard and Yale that no-one takes seriously.

I like our new guest. I hope he last longer than 20 posts. he's soooooo cute!

Unfortunately for you, doesn't actually make it true. And when it comes time to voting for someone, I think I'll go for the guy who went to a school that takes something SLIGHTLY less than 70% of people who apply.

What? So you will vote for someone depending where they got the undergrad degree from?

A place with nice chicken? :P

An empire that was, at their time, bigger than America, Russia, Mongolia or Rome could ever claim to be.

ehh, it really depends on opinion and perspective. The "ivy league trifecta" of Yale/Harvard/Princeton shift in the ratings back and forth.

Of course, the year I went to Yale undergrad, Harvard was ranked #1 and Yale #2, and the year I went to Harvard Law, Yale law was #1 and Harvard #2. I'm doomed to being #2 I guess....

Though Yale has a SERIOUS inferiority complex when it comes to Harvard (though of course most Yalies will say Harvard as a serious superiority complex when it comes to Yale).

Hell our fight song, which is, mind you, A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, basically says "we're going to beat you, Harvard"

It seems Neo that you were the student holding each of of the universities back. :p

It seems Neo that you were the student holding each of of the universities back. :p

nah.

I was the one they brought in to up their average :p

and my entire family lives there too. no one here can prove any of their statements, so whatever, heik. i attended the university of lousiana at lafayette, on the corner of johnson street, right across from burger king, taco bell, and the foreign students housing unit. lick balls.

Knock it off. We don't need to know about your hobbies.

Knock it off. We don't need to know about your hobbies.

While I just laughed my ass off, isnt your comment kind of a flame too?

While I just laughed my ass off, isnt your comment kind of a flame too?

Kind of the same thing as how police follow the law all the time while driving now isnt it?

We don't need to know about your hobbies.

:(

*Puts back the can of whipped cream, pair of handcuffs, poker chips, tube of superglue, condom and live parrot he was gonna use for the show-and-tell*

and my entire family lives there too. no one here can prove any of their statements, so whatever, heik. i attended the university of lousiana at lafayette, on the corner of johnson street, right across from burger king, taco bell, and the foreign students housing unit. lick balls.

and most of your posts are short on facts and high on obama fumes. left wing douchebaggery, i would call it. i'm not a republican as a matter of fact, i go both ways, like boy george. . .:) and the typical college student 'i read poetry and am so unique' snotty punk ass dispellation of what other people say because you know it all doesn't surprize me, nor does it bother me. i am actually studying politics and public relations now. . .so wait 15 years then vote for me, asshole.
and by the way, screaming 'im different and politically informed' is the norm now. get over it.

sentence fragment. . .so i guess you aren't typing perfect either? i guess you forgot to spell check your post before you clicked 'send' in your aggravation. too bad i was busy making a valid point instead of making infantile remarks about insignificant misspellings or puntuation errors. i'm not writing a term paper, dipshit. i'm posting something on a forum.
just like you hippie liberals: when the facts are not at your fingertips, resort to saying
'na na na na na!'
stick to political discussion in the forum, you'll look smarter. your hedged quotations and comments are about as funny as david spade without chris farley.

and i'm going to bed now. this doesn't mean you've won, it means i'm tired. i'll be back. have fun flipping between posts and free porn tours while you wait to make friends.

and if one mistake is excusable, then by your standards your lord obama is not. and more of you crap only proves me right.
me: reply and political discussion
you: name calling and retardation

Your own posts disprove your last comment here.
Have a lovely day off. It appears you need to cool down, and learn the difference between DISCUSSION and NAMECALLING.

and i'm going to bed now. this doesn't mean you've won, it means i'm tired. i'll be back. have fun flipping between posts and free porn tours while you wait to make friends.
Your own posts disprove your last comment here.
Have a lovely day off. It appears you need to cool down, and learn the difference between DISCUSSION and NAMECALLING.

I just wonder HOW did he KNOW. :p

I just wonder HOW did he KNOW. :p
Well, Heikoku, the internet *is* for porn....

See: Avenue Q and World of Warcraft movies.

Well, Heikoku, the internet *is* for porn....

See: Avenue Q and World of Warcraft movies.

*Second-grade Student voice* Thank you, Miss Katganistan!

*Second-grade Student voice* Thank you, Miss Katganistan!

Now it's just creepy.

Now it's just creepy.

And I didn't even get to do show and tell.

and most of your posts are short on facts and high on obama fumes. left wing douchebaggery, i would call it. i'm not a republican as a matter of fact, i go both ways, like boy george. . .:) and the typical college student 'i read poetry and am so unique' snotty punk ass dispellation of what other people say because you know it all doesn't surprize me, nor does it bother me. i am actually studying politics and public relations now. . .so wait 15 years then vote for me, asshole.
and by the way, screaming 'im different and politically informed' is the norm now. get over it.
wait. wait. that bit in red is a flame?
I thought he was telling us that he read poetry and is a snotty punk ass.
and what the hell is 'dispellation'?

methinks he needs to work on his campaign a bit more. "vote for me, asshole", while it's pithy, doesn't exactly engender him to the public.
From his writing abilities, I take it we need to wait 15 years for him to finish college.

wait. wait. that bit in red is a flame?
I thought he was telling us that he read poetry and is a snotty punk ass.
and what the hell is 'dispellation'?

methinks he needs to work on his campaign a bit more. "vote for me, asshole", while it's pithy, doesn't exactly engender him to the public.
From his writing abilities, I take it we need to wait 15 years for him to finish college.

I dunno, let's not forget FDR's 3rd election campaign slogan of "who the fuck else are you gonna vote for? That dickhead over there?"

I dunno, let's not forget FDR's 3rd election campaign slogan of "who the fuck else are you gonna vote for? That dickhead over there?"

And don't forget the timeless classic, "I'm Warren G. Harding, bitch!"

And don't forget the timeless classic, "I'm Warren G. Harding, bitch!"

I still prefer Truman's immortal "suck my cock, Dewey"

I still prefer Truman's immortal "suck my cock, Dewey"

Or Lincoln's "I've got the biggest feet in this debate Douglas, and everyone knows what that means, Chubby."

He might'a had better poll numbers, but that's about it. Clinton didn't know what it meant to stick with anything.

I'll stand by GWB with regard to two things -- the big across-the-board tax cuts and the long view on fighting terrorists.

Agreed. Turning a surplus into a deficit, and costing the lives of thousands of Americans to produce a net output of increased terrorism? Priceless.

I still prefer Truman's immortal "suck my cock, Dewey"

I dunno, if we're going that route, I've always been partial to Jefferson's oft-quoted, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, and that John Adams is a fucking pussy."

Bush snr's attempt: "Vote for him and he'll fuck your mother!"
Clinton's winning slogan: "damn straight. And I'd nail your sister, too."

Agreed. Turning a surplus into a deficit, and costing the lives of thousands of Americans to produce a net output of increased terrorism? Priceless.

He tried to make the War on Terror a viable industry, give him some credit.

:D

He tried to make the War on Terror a viable industry, give him some credit.

:D

"War on Terror" is one of my favourites, seriously. Asymmetrical wars on ideological grounds are such obvious win, it's a wonder it's never been tried before.

He still had plenty to lose. He was by no means at the bottom of the pecking chain.

"Lose" in general, perhaps. Lose from this? No.

Besides, he would have been rabble rouser with his speech.

...which means he gets to look brave. What of it?

When it counted, George Bush was relentlessly dogmatic and partisan. The fact that he acts otherwise when it costs him nothing says nothing substantively positive (or negative) about his character.

Funny, Belldandy, the goddess I'm currently having sex with, says you were nowhere near Louisiana.

See how easy it is to make unproven statements?

Funny... I pictured you more of an Urd-fan...

Funny... I pictured you more of an Urd-fan...

Oh, Urd is good for a fling, but Belldandy is plain marriage material. :D