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Christian salt seller hopes to shake up market

Nice pun there media..

Retired barber Joe Godlewski says he was inspired by television chefs who repeatedly recommended kosher salt in recipes.

"I said, 'What the heck's the matter with Christian salt?'" Godlewski said, sipping a beer in the living room of his home in unincorporated Cresaptown, a western Maryland mountain community.

A question we've all asked after 12 cans of beer slumped over watching some celebrity chef.

It's sea salt that's been blessed by an Episcopal priest, ICA President Damon S. Arney said Wednesday. He said the company also hopes to market the salt through Christian bookstores and as a fundraising tool for religious groups.

Okaay...

Rabbi Sholem Fishbane, kosher administrator for the Chicago Rabbinical Council, said marketing Christian salt as an alternative to kosher salt reflects, at best, ignorance about Jewish dietary laws. He said all salt is inherently kosher because it occurs naturally and requires little or no processing....

...Rabbi Fishbane said he doesn't blame Godlewski for seizing a business opportunity, even one that plays on public misconceptions about kosher products.

However, "if it comes from a lack of knowledge on his end or, even worse, anti-Semitism, then I have an issue with that," Fishbane said. "I can't see anything good coming out of something like that."

...and for the finale...!

Godlewski makes his aim clear: "There's no anti-Semitism. I love Jesus Christ and he was a Jew."

...and my best friend is black, now back to my slave plantation.

What foods best lend themselves to being blessed?

There has always been a healthy thriving market for the packaging, distribution and sales of bullshit. It's a growth industry. :)

At least nobody has suggested 'Nazi Salt'.

There has always been a healthy thriving market for the packaging, distribution and sales of bullshit. It's a growth industry. :)

I understand blessing people... but does it make any difference to bless an inanimate object? Except of course, to effect it's market value?

Question: if you poor Holy Salt into tap water, does the new salinated water become Holy too? It's like pseudo-transubstantiation.

...in unincorporated Cresaptown, a western...

I wonder when they added the 'es' to the town name?

Macaroni.

At least nobody has suggested 'Nazi Salt'.

You've never heard of Volkssalz? :tongue:

Macaroni.

Yes, holy macaroni, that old Scottish saying.

"And Atma said, 'Let there be pizza!'. And there was pizza, and he said it was good." -- me, a few times when I went off to make pizzas.

Thus I declare all cheese and pepperoni pizzas made by tombstone and digiorno's blessed in my name. :p

This gives the best idea EVAR! Basically I could just just package ANYTHING as "Christian" and people would buy it. I could probably even make it a bit more expensive and say that justifies the higher price...First, Christian bottled water.

Anybody find any flaws with that? Is it legal?

This gives the best idea EVAR! Basically I could just just package ANYTHING as "Christian" and people would buy it. I could probably even make it a bit more expensive and say that justifies the higher price...First, Christian bottled water.

Anybody find any flaws with that? Is it legal?

Of course, historically, the most profitable exercise is to re-package Christianity itself.

1. Announce God spoke to you, it helps if you have some stones or golden tablets or something but don't worry, you can say you broke/lost them but, honest, you did have them
2. Although it's best to not have a record as a complete charlatan/alcoholic/failure but if it works for the presidency, it'll likely work for being a messiah - actually, one of the best things about Christianity is that it's almost better to be a complete crook who 'found God' as opposed to an honest person but it might not work for all religions
3. Profit???
4. Ensure your religion means you need to sleep with everyone's wife/daughter/farmyard animals as an extra bonus.

Voila, the Church of New Manvirism.

What exactly is Kosher salt?

This might be a dumb question, but isn't kosher salt supposed to make meat kosher by removing the blood due to the extra absorbence from the large salt crystals? Its not as though Jews can't use table salt because its somehow 'not kosher'.

What exactly is Kosher salt?

This might be a dumb question, but isn't kosher salt supposed to make meat kosher by removing the blood due to the extra absorbence from the large salt crystals? Its not as though Jews can't use table salt because its somehow 'not kosher'.

Apparently it's just salt, as long as it's untreated, a Rabbi just needs to confirm it's untreated otherwise it's really nothing special.

At least nobody has suggested 'Nazi Salt'.

Stoppen Sie Juden!
führen Sie das Salz:)


received two different translations for that. went with babel fish

What exactly is Kosher salt?

Kosher salt aka Koshering salt is standard NaCl, but larger crystals. It disolves slower, drawing out more liquid (this helps in the koshering process of preserving meat). It is bad in baking (slow to disolve) and using on popcorn (heavy, and so falls off the kernel), but great for cooking (concentrates flavor). The taste is slightly different because of the lack of iodine (added to most table salt).

This reminded me about an Israeli girl I met at a hostel when I was backpacking. She went out of her way to eat non-kosher foods. Her explanation for doing this was due to an incident that happened on a school trip to Europe she was on a few years earlier.
They had stopped off at a cafe. The Rabbi who was with them came out of the toilet, went up to the food counter and handled everything, pulling apart all the sandwiches and inspecting them carefully before declaring them 'fit' to eat, as everything within was kosher.
It was later confirmed by a male student who had been in the toilet at the same time that the Rabbi hadn't washed his hands.

Then again, I suppose you could argue that his pee was kosher...

Kosher salt aka Koshering salt is standard NaCl, but larger crystals. It disolves slower, drawing out more liquid (this helps in the koshering process of preserving meat). It is bad in baking (slow to disolve) and using on popcorn (heavy, and so falls off the kernel), but great for cooking (concentrates flavor). The taste is slightly different because of the lack of iodine (added to most table salt).

Oh, ok well fair enough, I think normal salt will be alright for my type of cooking. Unless I need to drain out the liquids of meat more.

Apparently it's just salt, as long as it's untreated, a Rabbi just needs to confirm it's untreated otherwise it's really nothing special.

The stuff I use doesn't have any approval from a Rabbi. Its also called 'koshering salt' which is probably a better term, because its special puprose is for koshering rather than the fact that its kosher itself.

Oh, ok well fair enough, I think normal salt will be alright for my type of cooking. Unless I need to drain out the liquids of meat more.generally, salt is interchangable unless you try to bake with kosher salt. Kosher salt just stays on the surface more and intensifies flavor more. Unless you're a professional chef, it doesn't much matter. I just personally like the taste it adds more (I don't like how iodinized salt tastes)

The stuff I use doesn't have any approval from a Rabbi. Its also called 'koshering salt' which is probably a better term, because its special puprose is for koshering rather than the fact that its kosher itself.
Koshering salt is the same as kosher salt. Almost all salt is "kosher"....the term kosher salt is just a North American shortening of "Koshering salt"

generally, salt is interchangable unless you try to bake with kosher salt. Kosher salt just stays on the surface more and intensifies flavor more. Unless you're a professional chef, it doesn't much matter. I just personally like the taste it adds more (I don't like how iodinized salt tastes)

Fair enough, I will remember that. I don't think I would be able to find koshering salt that well anyway.

As for iodinized salt, well I never use it, I always buy natural salt.

"And Atma said, 'Let there be pizza!'. And there was pizza, and he said it was good." -- me, a few times when I went off to make pizzas.

Thus I declare all cheese and pepperoni pizzas made by tombstone and digiorno's blessed in my name. :p

Then I confer similar sanctification on California Pizza Kitchen's Margherida and Sicilian Pizzas. Blest frozen pizzas around.

Ah, the way to make money from idiots, repackaging an otherwise ordinary item to emphasis an apparent premium quality (even if said quality is common to most if not all versions of the product).

Hmm, makes me think, I wonder if you could charge more for bottled water by claiming it "Contains the special ingredient H2O - found to increase life expectency, health and well-being!".

Ah, the way to make money from idiots, repackaging an otherwise ordinary item to emphasis an apparent premium quality (even if said quality is common to most if not all versions of the product).

Hmm, makes me think, I wonder if you could charge more for bottled water by claiming it "Contains the special ingredient H2O - found to increase life expectency, health and well-being!".
What about 'Jesus Water' the stuff the messiah drunk when he was on Earth!
It's not a lie, as doubtless Jesus did drink water.

Even better tout it as containing water that 'Jesus himself drank!'
Statistically, this is possible. The amount of water on Earth is constant. Jesus would have drunken several hundred gallons in his lifetime. So the possibility of just one molecule of that post-Jesus water now being in any given bottle of water nowadays is, in fact, quite high.

I expect royalties if you run with this idea.

This might be a dumb question, but isn't kosher salt supposed to make meat kosher by removing the blood due to the extra absorbence from the large salt crystals? Its not as though Jews can't use table salt because its somehow 'not kosher'.

That's the original use yes. It's koshering salt, not kosher. They just use it because of the larger crystals I believe.

I think it may be a sin but not against the law. It is not often used anymore but it is called Simony. I think it is okay to say it is Christian salt without having it blessed. Once it is blessed it is Simony.

Columbia Encyclopedia: simony
Since the Council of Trent the sale of indulgences is prohibited in any form, and no blessed article may be sold as blessed.


So don't actually bless the salt or claim it is blessed and you are alright. You could put different Bible verses on the back of the salt packaging.

Same goes for water. Just include Bible verses that have to do with water. There are a bunch of them. Don't claim that the water is blessed and you should be okay.

I think it may be a sin but not against the law. It is not often used anymore but it is called Simony. I think it is okay to say it is Christian salt without having it blessed. Once it is blessed it is Simony.

Columbia Encyclopedia: simony
Since the Council of Trent the sale of indulgences is prohibited in any form, and no blessed article may be sold as blessed.
Doesn't that view apply only to catholicism?

Selling holy water would be highly profitable...Think of the market among cultists!

tombstone and digiorno's
Oh god, that shit is terrible. You're either a dark god, or some sort of partially malevolent trickster.
What about 'Jesus Water' the stuff the messiah drunk when he was on Earth!
Jesus drank water in the Middle East; I wouldn't drink Jesus Water even it had guaranteed health benefits. People bathed, dumped trash, pissed and crapped in that water and it was entirely unfiltered.
There's a reason everyone in that era drank wine.

The potential market share is much bigger than expected:

http://draco.freeshell.org/oppressed.gif

What exactly is Kosher salt?

Salt with a special name.

Dammit, Salt was OUR thing! :( It's supposed to represent the Earth on our Altars...

Damn Christians stealing everything....First Yule, now this....

Yes, I am kidding.

Doesn't that view apply only to catholicism?

Selling holy water would be highly profitable...Think of the market among cultists!

Just because it is a sin doesn't stop anyone. However you may have to deal with fraud issues. If you claim it is "holy" water people might think it cure disease and buy a whole truckload. When they found it was water they might be upset. Selling and Christianity do not really go together. Jesus was pretty clear on this. He didn't even like selling of animals for sacrifice or money changing in the Temple.

If you use Google you can find any number of blessed things for sale.

Jesus drank water in the Middle East; I wouldn't drink Jesus Water even it had guaranteed health benefits. People bathed, dumped trash, pissed and crapped in that water and it was entirely unfiltered.

There's a reason everyone in that era drank wine.

I have long theorised that much of history can be explained by the fact that most people were entirely drunk from breakfast to bedtime story.

Just because it is a sin...

Is selling holy goods really a sin among (most) Christian sects around the world?


Expanding on the idea...founding a sect of Capitalist Xtians would ALSO do well:
- Ye who have money are blessed!
- Ye who can afford to buy our blessed goods are doubly blessed!

No need for specific churches either, because Supermarket is the Church for the Successful! Confessionals available through 1-700-MEGACHURCH, just 5$/minute!

:tongue:

They actually have Holy Water fountains as well. So you could sell it like Coke.

Is selling holy goods really a sin among (most) Christian sects around the world?


Expanding on the idea...founding a sect of Capitalist Xtians would ALSO do well:
- Ye who have money are blessed!
- Ye who can afford to buy our blessed goods are doubly blessed!

No need for specific churches either, because Supermarket is the Church for the Successful! Confessionals available through 1-700-MEGACHURCH, just 5$/minute!

:tongue:

Yeah but so is selling Bibles and whole bunch of other things. The Vatican actually has a gift shop so what do I know. So does just about every church. Supposedly some of the money goes back into the church probably not too much.

Is selling holy goods really a sin among (most) Christian sects around the world?

Yeah but so is selling Bibles and whole bunch of other things.
I will have to ask for a source for this one.

Bible doesn't cut it, because it's interpreted in so many ways across the board.

Source is the Council of Trent however i am trying to find it printed somewhere.

Source is the Council of Trent however i am trying to find it printed somewhere.
I can believe that, however you also have to find a source that says that the Council of Trent applies to majority of Christian denominations around the world.

Wow you almost had me there. source.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14001a.htm

It is thus unlawful to exchange ecclesiastical benefices by private authority, to accept any payment whatever for holy oils, to sell blessed rosaries or crucifixes. Such objects lose, if sold, all the indulgences previously attached to them (S. Cong. Of Indulg., 12 July, 1847). Simony of ecclesiastical law is, of course a variable element, since the prohibitions of the Church may be abrogated or fall into disuse.



Wow this would pretty much funeral homes out of business. From same article.

The poor who cannot be buried at their own expense should receive free burial (no. 393).

I can believe that, however you also have to find a source that says that the Council of Trent applies to majority of Christian denominations around the world.

That I can't say.

The Council of Trent was the 16th century Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church.

I think it may be a sin but not against the law. It is not often used anymore but it is called Simony. I think it is okay to say it is Christian salt without having it blessed. Once it is blessed it is Simony.

Columbia Encyclopedia: simony
Since the Council of Trent the sale of indulgences is prohibited in any form, and no blessed article may be sold as blessed.


So don't actually bless the salt or claim it is blessed and you are alright. You could put different Bible verses on the back of the salt packaging.

Surely the WTO could overturn the Council of Trent as a hindrance to trade.

Surely the WTO could overturn the Council of Trent as a hindrance to trade.

I don't even think they need to it is not against the law you see them all over the Internet. It may be a sin depending on who you ask. Council of Trent applies to Catholics as far as I can tell.

I don't even think they need to it is not against the law you see them all over the Internet. It may be a sin depending on who you ask. Council of Trent applies to Catholics as far as I can tell.

I was being facetious. ;)

Dammit, Salt was OUR thing! :( It's supposed to represent the Earth on our Altars...

Damn Christians stealing everything....First Yule, now this....

Yes, I am kidding.

http://atypicallife.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/sumo-salt.jpg

Your thing, gaijin?

:D

Yeah if I remember correctly it is suppose to protect you from demons and stuff too. As far as I can tell people just get turned into pillars of salt in the bible. I wonder why salt would affect otherworldly creatures?

http://atypicallife.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/sumo-salt.jpg

Your thing, gaijin?

:D

Hey, who are you going to trust, a good ol' American Boy, or those dirty commie Chinese?! :tongue:

Yeah if I remember correctly it is suppose to protect you from demons and stuff too. As far as I can tell people just get turned into pillars of salt in the bible. I wonder why salt would affect otherworldly creatures?

I think that's more Hollywood than anything. There used to be a good web comic strip, "The Many Moon of Astra" but the guy making that strip had to shut it down due to the economy. Damn economy...

Anyways, he drew one strip commenting on Hollywood Paganism vs. Real Paganism, and I can't link it now. :(

I think that's more Hollywood than anything. There used to be a good web comic strip, "The Many Moon of Astra" but the guy making that strip had to shut it down due to the economy. Damn economy...

Anyways, he drew one strip commenting on Hollywood Paganism vs. Real Paganism, and I can't link it now. :(Great story, Wil. Tell it again. :p