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Under a new policy announced today, women in the New York National Guard serving on a state active duty task force will no longer be required to take mandatory pregnancy tests or face dismissal from the force if they become pregnant. Instead, they will be treated the same as men who become injured or disabled during a state active duty mission. The change occurred in response to objections raised by the American Civil Liberties Union and the New York Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU's New York State affiliate.

Soldiers in the New York National Guard had alerted the ACLU about a discriminatory policy requiring women in active duty positions to take periodic pregnancy tests and to periodically sign a form agreeing that becoming pregnant would end their assignments and cancel all associated health benefits, including health benefits for their families. In contrast, male National Guard soldiers on state active duty whose spouses became pregnant were not fired and their families retained health benefits.

http://www.aclu.org/womensrights/employ/38946prs20090306.html

Thoughts?

http://www.aclu.org/womensrights/employ/38946prs20090306.html

Thoughts?

I would've thought to keep the testing... after all, the sooner they get re-assigned (not effectively getting fired and ending benefits) the safer it would be for both would be mother and child.

kudos tho, for not ending their benefits.

I would've thought to keep the testing... after all, the sooner they get re-assigned (not effectively getting fired and ending benefits) the safer it would be for both would be mother and child.

kudos tho, for not ending their benefits.

this.

it seems a bit iffy that there is a pregnancy test when you get the same results during drugs tests which should be...er regular and stuff duude

Under the new policy, being pregnant no longer automatically disqualifies soldiers from state active duty service

please tell me this doesn't mean what I think it means

The New York National Guard's lawyers blow ass. Requiring pregnancy tests is a gross violation of HIPAA. How such a requirement could even pass the smell test is beyond me.

please tell me this doesn't mean what I think it means

I think State Active Duty is things like assisting with natural disasters and such.

The New York National Guard's lawyers blow ass. Requiring pregnancy tests is a gross violation of HIPAA. How such a requirement could even pass the smell test is beyond me.

how would it be in violation of HIPAA? are they disclosing the results of each tested?

I can see requiring the test because some events, like 9/11, created an environment that could threaten the health of both the mother and child. so knowing that a National Guardsperson is pregnant could get her re-assigned to a logistical posisition where she could still provide aid but in a safer environment.

how would it be in violation of HIPAA? are they disclosing the results of each tested?

I can see requiring the test because some events, like 9/11, created an environment that could threaten the health of both the mother and child. so knowing that a National Guardsperson is pregnant could get her re-assigned to a logistical posisition where she could still provide aid but in a safer environment.

I guess it was an assumption of mine that the old policy would be used to identify who was pregnant for the purposes of removing pregnant women from active duty.

The New York National Guard's lawyers blow ass. Requiring pregnancy tests is a gross violation of HIPAA. How such a requirement could even pass the smell test is beyond me.

they also yell at me and just the other day made me play outside in the cold :(

I say you should march right up to those big wigs and tell them that its just inhumane!

I think State Active Duty is things like assisting with natural disasters and such.

they should be on the American equivalent of light duties

Remember those old clichés about soldiers wanting to discharge themselves out of a hellhole by injuring themselves deliberately?

:D :D :D

Remember those old clichés about soldiers wanting to discharge themselves out of a hellhole by injuring themselves deliberately?

:D :D :D

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What an interesting line of thought you have there.

they should be on the American equivalent of light dutiesThey Should. which is why I like the change.

Remember those old clichés about soldiers wanting to discharge themselves out of a hellhole by injuring themselves deliberately?

:D :D :D

"Honestly sir, I was just holding it and it went off."
"I didn't know it was loaded and primed for firing."

They Should. which is why I like the change.

but the change is bad then due to this part:

No alternative assignments, like desk jobs, are available.

pregnant women can make me some bloody tea and clean the ablutions

"Honestly sir, I was just holding it and it went off."
"I didn't know it was loaded and primed for firing."

"it came off in my hand Ma'am" :(

but the change is bad then due to this part: full quote.

However, under the new policy, pregnant soldiers will be dismissed from state active duty when their pregnancy advances to the point that they cannot physically perform the mission. No alternative assignments, like desk jobs, are available.

now I am no lawyer, but that doesn't sound like removal from the guard, but from state active duty only when their pregnancy advances to the point that they cannot physically perform their MISSION. so that is rather advanced in Pregnancy and at a time where any 'injury' to the woman can threaten both her and the child.

pregnant women can make me some bloody tea and clean the ablutions well, first of all... what's an Ablution? :tongue:

seriously tho. ever tried cleaning one during advanced pregnancy?

according to my sister-in-laws... their hubbies had to do that...

"it came off in my hand Ma'am" :(
"... that's some grip you got there soldier." :eek:

Preggers soldiers har har! What is the army coming to? This is ridiculous. Part of me wonders why we even have female soldiers. Why would we want pregnant female soldiers?

Preggers soldiers har har! What is the army coming to? This is ridiculous. Part of me wonders why we even have female soldiers. Why would we want pregnant female soldiers?

Give them protective vests and you can call them Armored Personnel Carriers. Get a whole platoon of flak-vested pregnant women organized, drop them behind enemy lines, and they deploy the hidden troops to commence operations.

now I am no lawyer, but that doesn't sound like removal from the guard, but from state active duty only when their pregnancy advances to the point that they cannot physically perform their MISSION. so that is rather advanced in Pregnancy and at a time where any 'injury' to the woman can threaten both her and the child.

No alternative assignments, like desk jobs, are available.

if a woman is too sick to be fit for active duties she can do stuff she is medically capable of doing

seriously tho. ever tried cleaning one during advanced pregnancy?

I figure they might be good at drilling in some discipline and a nice dose of clairvoyance with it

"... that's some grip you got there soldier." :eek:

"your all guilty of negligent discharge"

Why would we want pregnant female soldiers?

would you fuck with a pregnant woman?

would you fuck with a pregnant woman?

How pregnant?

Give them protective vests and you can call them Armored Personnel Carriers. Get a whole platoon of flak-vested pregnant women organized, drop them behind enemy lines, and they deploy the hidden troops to commence operations.
hmmm... however, due to their unpredictableness... they would be too risky.
if a woman is too sick to be fit for active duties she can do stuff she is medically capable of doing and what makes you think a desk job would always be available for every mission?

"your all guilty of negligent discharge" "however, you did keep your weapon polished..."

Give them protective vests and you can call them Armored Personnel Carriers. Get a whole platoon of flak-vested pregnant women organized, drop them behind enemy lines, and they deploy the hidden troops to commence operations.

HAR! Dangle them from copters stateside and use the whole "water breaking phenomenon" to help put out the fires.

How pregnant?

I can see your logic here but dying from a bear hug is never fun no matter how big the boobs are

*sigh* NS is good at making me 15

and what makes you think a desk job would always be available for every mission?

step into a pay clerks office and say you have nothing better to do :wink:

*draws red lines in all the blank boxes on 100+ pay sheets >.<*

"however, you did keep your weapon polished..."

okay I want to see that :tongue:

I can see your logic here but dying from a bear hug is never fun no matter how big the boobs are

*sigh* NS is good at making me 15

You're welcome. I do my best.

okay I want to see that :tongue:
hmmm.... how to take this... how to take this...

so... when's the next time you're swinging by the Islands? :p

so... when's the next time you're swinging by the Islands? :p

well I'd pay to see you apply boot polish to a rifle at any rate :p

well I'd pay to see you apply boot polish to a rifle at any rate :p

ah... a visual humor lover... great! :D