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Can we?

Not NSG by itself ( that would probably cause more trouble) but people. Earth doesn't need saving, its coped without us, it can cope with us and it will cope long after humanity is gone.

However, the world we live in, is different. We all play our part in it even though most of us are just pawns. We hear the contant dangers of global warming, wars, disasters, financial meltdowns etc. My question is will humanity ever deal with such problems once and for all so there is no more war, disaster etc or will we have to deal with such things far into the future? Will we save the world we live in or will it always have its problems?

as long as one person isn't happy, then no.

as long as one person isn't happy, then no.

So if I choose to be unhappy, I can undo the efforts of the entire human race to save the world. Wow, nice to know I have that much power. :D

So long as there's money tied to specific actions (money being made in "green" technology), then no.

Why?

Because the people who are making money want to make it as long as possible, and would most likely prevent further developments for as long as possible.

All we can hope to do is get off this dirtball and spread out to fuck up the rest of the universe before we kill ourselves off.

Those in power fear change. Convince them to take an ego trip to space, bribe one of the astronauts to talk to him about how the future isn't on Earth... Few generations later, humanity has FTL and a colony in the Centauri system.

make me dictator of the world and i will save it.

there will always be problems. all we can do is work on the one we have now.

Humans can't save themselves; they are self-destructive in nature. The best case scenario is to create AI that can then make the Matrix a reality and save humans from themselves, IMO.

It's gonna be renewed anyway. From what I've read. *made a new*


I hope so .. with the earth the seas and all wild creatures and plants * my words played on.

Humans can't save themselves; they are self-destructive in nature.
What would you base such an assertion on?

For it certainly appears that all but a few humans are self-destructive, indeed, that most humans will go to extraordinary lengths to protect themselves.

What would you base such an assertion on?

For it certainly appears that all but a few humans are self-destructive, indeed, that most humans will go to extraordinary lengths to protect themselves.

Short term non-destructive, yes Chumbly, my arch nemesis of human tendencies. But not in the long term destructive sense, when it goes beyond the scope of immediate here and now. They'll all dance on the edge of oblivion, shying away from the small things, but always sure that the big one will never hit.

I was going to post a thread with the exact same premise, except it was going to be a poll asking which crisis needs fixing first.


I'm very optimistic about civilization. Even if we screw up, we'll only go up after hitting rock bottom. This is based on nothing at all.

I was going to post a thread with the exact same premise, except it was going to be a poll asking which crisis needs fixing first.


I'm very optimistic about civilization. Even if we screw up, we'll only go up after hitting rock bottom. This is based on nothing at all.

Rock bottom is extinction. Its rather hard to come up from that.;)

Can we?

Not NSG by itself ( that would probably cause more trouble) but people. Earth doesn't need saving, its coped without us, it can cope with us and it will cope long after humanity is gone.

However, the world we live in, is different. We all play our part in it even though most of us are just pawns. We hear the contant dangers of global warming, wars, disasters, financial meltdowns etc. My question is will humanity ever deal with such problems once and for all so there is no more war, disaster etc or will we have to deal with such things far into the future? Will we save the world we live in or will it always have its problems?

We can save the world, but it will always have its problems. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Frankly, though, we need to not only stop acting so much for the benefit of just ourselves or our region, nation, religion, or ethnic group, but also move beyond the notion of acting simply on a global scale if we want to save either ourselves or the world. Earth is a planet some thousands of miles across in a Universe billions of light years across. It is vulnerable to a variety of potential cataclysms and has finite resources. The notion that we can save this world by ignoring solutions that look beyond this one planet is rather foolish.

We also need to stop thinking in terms of mere years or decades, and start planning on the scale of milenia or greater.

Of course, if we look at things in the truely universal sense, then we can't save the world, because the Sun will ultimately die.

There's one thing we can never save ourselves from: Humanities inate greed.

In the end, it's what will destroy us as a species.

There's one thing we can never save ourselves from: Humanities inate greed.

In the end, it's what will destroy us as a species.

we just got to learn to use it to benefit the species overall.

we just got to learn to use it to benefit the species overall.

I don't think thats going to happen, we are too greedy to let anything like that benefit the masses.

I don't think thats going to happen, we are too greedy to let anything like that benefit the masses.

I call it capitalism.

Can we?


ALT, F, S.

Also: REALITY.SYS is missing or corrupted. Reboot universe.

Anuwau, the world, as planet, has almost no problems. Humanity and life have problems, created by humanity. So yea, it's up to us.

There's one thing we can never save ourselves from: Humanities inate greed.

Greed may be a useful survival mechanism for an animal in the wild. However, like other primitive instincts that can be harmful in excess, it can be controlled or limited, at least partially. Their's no reason why our greed need destroy us, any more than our desire for sex means we have to go out and rape people. Not every human is so self-interested at the expense of others, and for those who are, that's why we have courts and police and prisons, isn't it?

In the end, it's what will destroy us as a species.

Not nessissarily. And really, what does defeatism accomplish?

Not nessissarily. And really, what does defeatism accomplish?

It motivates people to live out their life in excess, rather than caring for the future generations. Who cares about global warming, it ain't gunna happen within my lifetime! :gundge: (did I use this emoticon correctly?)

It motivates people to live out their life in excess, rather than caring for the future generations. Who cares about global warming, it ain't gunna happen within my lifetime! :gundge: (did I use this emoticon correctly?)

Ah, so it works to ensure its own negative predictions?

Though I wouldn't call "its not going to happen in my lifetime" defeatism when it comes to Global Warming. In fact, I would call it undue optimism.