NationStates Jolt Archive

To undermine the US. :D
It's most likely wrong, as I'm not up to speed with any of the legislation on things like this, and I'm just writing this as it comes to me. Also, please ignore any personal bias based on country and/or patriotism. I'm not trying to flame, just asking a civil question.
/history lesson
The US was formed from what was once Native American land belonging to lots of seperate tribes. Once the European settelers got there, they eventually bought the land from the tribes or just took it over.
/history lesson
And I was wondering, couldn't someone do that today? Couldn't a group of people set up shop in a plot of land that was forcibly taken from the natives back when the US was first starting, and declare it a soverign state? If they were to draught a democratic constitution and some laws, I don't think America would be able to touch them militarily without the UNs blessing without bringing their own soverignity into question, as this is what the US essentially did for some of their territory.

I'm wrong, aren't I?
Thoughts, opinions, corrections?

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I guess they could give it a shot...But, itd fail miserably, no one would recognize it...

and if they tried to be real serious and do it forcibly, well, we may not be that good at putting countries back together, but, I hear we're highly efficient at taking them apart, lol...

It would never work. The government would ignore you until you became troublesome, then the police will 'invade' your 'sovereign state' and arrest you. Probably.

If it came down to a choice between allowing a break away state to form on US turf or telling the UN to go fuck itself for the 2,417th time, guess which way the US would go?

EDIT: And that's assuming you somehow gained sovereign recognition. Taiwan still isn't on the UN's books.

If the land was purchased from the US government, then yes. If the land was stolen, then the US has the right to try to get it back.

It isn't as if the native tribes didn't try to get their land back...they just lost. If the US agreed to give up the land, then yeah, they could declare themselves sovereign. If they seceded, they would have to defend themselves.

Good luck: Isn't this what Randy Weaver tried at Ruby Ridge?

Damn, there goes my plan
True, true, to all the responses. Although, I still think it would work given the right circumstances. Very unlikely circumstances, but circumstances nonethless.

Damn, there goes my plan
True, true, to all the responses. Although, I still think it would work given the right circumstances. Very unlikely circumstances, but circumstances nonethless.

Maybe if you managed to secure Russian or Chinese backing to supply you with Men and Materiel...But I find this unlikely at best, lol...

Good luck: Isn't this what Randy Weaver tried at Ruby Ridge?
As far as I can work out from Wikipedia, having never heard of this incident before, it seems that he didn't declare his place a nation. So, it's quite close but not exactly on the money. Still...*checks outside for snipers*

Good luck: Isn't this what Randy Weaver tried at Ruby Ridge?
Holy crap, that's disgraceful! And that sniper walked away scot free.

If you look outside they'll have a shot on your head......

Theoretically you can pull this move anywhere, you can claim to be soveign all you want, but if noone recognizes you, it doesnt matter, See Micronations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation)...

And as far as the reason for setting up shop, you could pull the same move in, say, England or Scotland claiming Pict or Celtic rights, and get the same response, lol...

Family Guy Episode, anyone?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/FGEPeterbusUnum.png/220px-FGEPeterbusUnum.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Peterbus_Unum)

The problem being that no one recognizes the idea that another, superior, race can go into another country and set up shop anymore. The age of empires is more or less over.

The problem being that no one recognizes the idea that another, superior, race can go into another country and set up shop anymore. The age of empires is more or less over.

Yes, sadly, Ensemble Studios was closed down :(

To undermine the US. :D
It's most likely wrong, as I'm not up to speed with any of the legislation on things like this, and I'm just writing this as it comes to me. Also, please ignore any personal bias based on country and/or patriotism. I'm not trying to flame, just asking a civil question.
/history lesson
The US was formed from what was once Native American land belonging to lots of seperate tribes. Once the European settelers got there, they eventually bought the land from the tribes or just took it over.
/history lesson
And I was wondering, couldn't someone do that today? Couldn't a group of people set up shop in a plot of land that was forcibly taken from the natives back when the US was first starting, and declare it a soverign state? If they were to draught a democratic constitution and some laws, I don't think America would be able to touch them militarily without the UNs blessing without bringing their own soverignity into question, as this is what the US essentially did for some of their territory.

I'm wrong, aren't I?
Thoughts, opinions, corrections?

This post brought to you by whatever is inside it.
no.

if they set up shop inside this country they would not be recognized.

the government would leave them alone as long as they didnt try to actively enforce their borders or stopped paying taxes.

should it be necessary to squish them like the stupid bugs they would be, it would not be an international problem, it would be an internal legal problem that the police would deal with.