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The story about the piece of crap in Alabama that shot ten people before killing himself kind of fell through the NSG cracks a little bit.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/12/alabama.shooting/index.html

The man who killed 10 people, then himself, in a shooting rampage in southern Alabama had failed in his dreams both to become a U.S. Marine and a police officer, and was depressed and unhappy with his life, investigators said Thursday.

"McLendon made statements of being depressed and was dissatisfied with his present position in life," Murphy said. "His dream was to become a Marine, and later a police officer. Both those dreams were unfulfilled."

Oh, that poor poor man. His life didn't turn out as planned....

No shit! Nobody's life turns out as planned! Do you think I always wanted to be a clown? No! I wanted to be a Nobel Prize winning Physicist! And before that, I wanted to be a writer/actor. Of course, everybody else knew I was gonna be a clown, but that's not really my point.

The point is that the reason why this happened is because nobody had the balls to tell this guy he was a piece of crap before he tried to join the Marines and the Police who didn't exactly go as easy on his feelings as everybody else apparently did. Maybe if he were given a more realistic evaluation of his worth, he could have either put some energy into improving it or settled into a nice happy life as a bowling alley janitor. But nooo... Now people are dead.

Let this be a lesson to all of you; tell your friends and family that they suck so they won't kill you later.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2017w9FY4Do/RoK7dPaC2NI/AAAAAAAAAG8/YucV0DXuQ7c/s400/The_More_You_Know.jpg

;)

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

No shit! Nobody's life turns out as planned! Do you think I always wanted to be a clown? No! I wanted to be a Nobel Prize winning Physicist! And before that, I wanted to be a writer/actor. Of course, everybody else knew I was gonna be a clown, but that's not really my point.


Aren't you? :eek: I cited seven of your threads in my thesis!

No shit! Nobody's life turns out as planned! Do you think I always wanted to be a clown? No! I wanted to be a Nobel Prize winning Physicist! And before that, I wanted to be a writer/actor. Of course, everybody else knew I was gonna be a clown, but that's not really my point.


Aren't you? :eek: I cited seven of your threads in my thesis!

Shh... You'll blow the experiment....

<.<

>.>

You suck LG.

Now stop pointing that splurge gun at me.

I said stop it, get away from me!

You suck LG.

Now stop pointing that splurge gun at me.

I said stop it, get away from me!

*opens fire*

See? The only damage is to pride and clothing.

*fires some more*

I tell people they suck all the time! :D

I actually saw references to it in the German school shootings thread. But I guess nobody cared enough to post it between then and now.

Also, presumably the problem wasn't that his life didn't turn out as planned, but that he had severe psychological issues. Most people's lives don't turn out as planned, yet I don't see them jumping off bridges after chopping strangers up with hatchets or something. Presumably he required therapy or medication or something, which he didn't receive, or which wasn't effective, for whatever reason.

And I always thought you'd go for the physicist angle myself, LG. Surprised as all hell when you got that job as a clown. I always thought you were such a serious, thoughtful, perhaps even a little humorless type, and you always dressed so impeccably well too. :(

*opens fire*

See? The only damage is to pride and clothing.

*fires some more*

Mmm, custard flavour.

I tell people they suck all the time! :D

Thank you for doing your part. :)

I actually saw references to it in the German school shootings thread. But I guess nobody cared enough to post it between then and now.

Also, presumably the problem wasn't that his life didn't turn out as planned, but that he had severe psychological issues. Most people's lives don't turn out as planned, yet I don't see them jumping off bridges after chopping strangers up with hatchets or something. Presumably he required therapy or medication or something, which he didn't receive, or which wasn't effective, for whatever reason.

And I always thought you'd go for the physicist angle myself, LG. Surprised as all hell when you got that job as a clown. I always thought you were such a serious, thoughtful, perhaps even a little humorless type, and you always dressed so impeccably well too. :(

That wasn't me. I was they kid holding him off the ground by the back of his underpants. *nod*

That wasn't me. I was they kid holding him off the ground by the back of his underpants. *nod*

Oh right, that makes more sense.... You were the Janitor's Nightmare. The one who once got detention for the Unfortunate Incident in Mrs. Parker's class. To this day I've never figured out how you managed to get mud-covered footprints on the ceiling.

I tell people they suck all the time! :D
difference is, no-one listens to you! :p

Oh right, that makes more sense.... You were the Janitor's Nightmare. The one who once got detention for the Unfortunate Incident in Mrs. Parker's class. To this day I've never figured out how you managed to get mud-covered footprints on the ceiling.

That's where the physics background came in. ;)

I have a theory that everyone is the opposite of what they are inside.

For example, the funniest people are always the most depressed.

Tough guys are always really the most afraid.

Economists always know the least about money.

None of this applies to me, of course.

That's where the physics background came in. ;)

Spider-pig, spider-pig,
Doing whatever, a spider-pig does.

I have a theory that everyone is the opposite of what they are inside.

For example, the funniest people are always the most depressed.

Tough guys are always really the most afraid.

Economists always know the least about money.

None of this applies to me, of course.

And yet...You seem to know so much about me :(

difference is, no-one listens to you! :p

and yet, you reply to my post, even quoted me. Hmmm

I have a theory that everyone is the opposite of what they are inside.

For example, the funniest people are always the most depressed.

Tough guys are always really the most afraid.

Economists always know the least about money.

None of this applies to me, of course.

So what, I really want to be a people person? lol

*looks away before he tears up* :tongue:

Spider-pig, spider-pig,
Doing whatever, a spider-pig does.

It's harder than it looks. :)

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

They actually have standards - like literacy, being a high school graduate, not having a criminal record, knowing which end of the gun points away from them.

They actually have standards - like literacy, being a high school graduate, not having a criminal record, knowing which end of the gun points away from them.

yeah i took the asvab. and served 6 years. anyone with a 4th grade education can pass that.

They actually have standards - like literacy, being a high school graduate, not having a criminal record, knowing which end of the gun points away from them.

Well that's just fucking PC bullshit. Put 80lbs of baggage on a man and see if he can cross 1.5 miles of rough terrain in under ten minutes. That should be the test.

The rest can be beaten into him.

This is not nuclear physics.

yeah i took the asvab. and served 6 years. anyone with a 4th grade education can pass that.

Passing it can get you a job as a swabbie, but how about as a nuke or a techie? ... and nukes and techies are what they want. Even the Army and the Marines want more than grunts - they want people who understand how thing work not just how to use them. So, did you serve six years as a grunt or were you something more?

Passing it can get you a job as a swabbie, but how about as a nuke or a techie? ... and nukes and techies are what they want. Even the Army and the Marines want more than grunts - they want people who understand how thing work not just how to use them. So, did you serve six years as a grunt or were you something more?

They have that test where you can guess which polygon comes next. If you can pass it you are clearly suitable for more technical training.

Passing it can get you a job as a swabbie, but how about as a nuke or a techie? ... and nukes and techies are what they want. Even the Army and the Marines want more than grunts - they want people who understand how thing work not just how to use them. So, did you serve six years as a grunt or were you something more?

Satellite communications GT score requirement 125, electronics 130(max)
as far as the army is concerned its the highest score requirement MOS they have. The only argument more are some of the linguist positions because they got to take a language aptitude test(or something).
but we were talking this guy. he jsut wanted to be a marine. So why should he care if he was a grunt.

Satellite communications GT score requirement 125, electronics 130(max)
as far as the army is concerned its the highest score requirement MOS they have. The only argument more are some of the linguist positions because they got to take a language aptitude test(or something).
but we were talking this guy. he jsut wanted to be a marine. So why should he care if he was a grunt.

They kicked him out for 'fraudulent enlistment' which means he got caught in a big fat lie. And a pretty good one too. Maybe he told them he wasn't a psychopath. ;)

They kicked him out for 'fraudulent enlistment' which means he got caught in a big fat lie. And a pretty good one too. Maybe he told them he wasn't a psychopath. ;)
I would have thought that would be one of the requirements for the army...

I would have thought that would be one of the requirements for the army...

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it....


...I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_7C0QGkiVo

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

Insufficient fitness, insuffcient education, pre-existing physical disability, failing the psych test - any of these is a "we don't want you." Given what this guy ended up doing, probably the last.

Edit:Fraudulent Enlistment? Given what the Marines are prepared to overlook, this guy must have been a complete idiot.

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

By being a homicidal sociopath a bit too much even for their standards, clearly.

Pies not guns, because blueberry is better than blood. Worst case you need a shower and a change of clothes.

Fraudulent enlistment, eh? Makes sense. What I've been hearing about this scumbag makes me think he was probably paranoid. I don't mean the peevish "why me" bullshit. I mean the kind of paranoid that thinks the neighbor is slipping ground glass in to the water lines into his house. People like that tend to make up big stories about themselves, to feed their delusional egos and/or mislead their imagined enemies. This guy doesn't sound like he was just bummed about not achieving his goals. He sounds like he believed other people had deliberately ruined his chances at things.

Paranoids are the scariest psychotics, imo, because they hide it the best -- until they snap. And when they snap, people often die.

Gomer Pyle comes to mindin FMJ.

Don't f'ning tell me you can't do one f'ning chin up.

Fraudulent enlistment, eh? Makes sense. What I've been hearing about this scumbag makes me think he was probably paranoid. I don't mean the peevish "why me" bullshit. I mean the kind of paranoid that thinks the neighbor is slipping ground glass in to the water lines into his house. People like that tend to make up big stories about themselves, to feed their delusional egos and/or mislead their imagined enemies. This guy doesn't sound like he was just bummed about not achieving his goals. He sounds like he believed other people had deliberately ruined his chances at things.

Paranoids are the scariest psychotics, imo, because they hide it the best -- until they snap. And when they snap, people often die.

Fradulent enlistment basically means that someone lied about something they already knew about at enlistment, and doesn't really mean much other than that. There are plenty who get that slapped on their record when they're separated from a branch of the armed forces who may have simply lied about having ADD or somesuch.

(I, incidentally, got erroneous enlistment, which means I had an issue that was UNKNOWN that cropped up as a result of joining the military. (I think. In my case it was more that I had emotional/psychological issues I didn't fully understand, but that's beside the point.)

But yeah, this kid clearly needed help, and it's sad that he didn't get it, especially since other people suffered because of it. It's another bit of evidence supporting a much greater need for mental health care in our society, not only expanding its overall service, but how seriously it is taken. We need to stop dismissing things and saying people should "man up" and start taking things like this far more seriously. Sure, sometimes people should just grow up, but oftentimes, such as in this case, it's not that simple.

The point is that the reason why this happened is because nobody had the balls to tell this guy he was a piece of crap before he tried to join the Marines and the Police who didn't exactly go as easy on his feelings as everybody else apparently did. Maybe if he were given a more realistic evaluation of his worth, he could have either put some energy into improving it or settled into a nice happy life as a bowling alley janitor. But nooo... Now people are dead.

I know youre probably joking, but telling a clearly emotionally unstable person that theyre worthless and will never achieve their dreams is not a good idea.

-snipforconcisivity-
;)

I created a word.

It's also important to not take anything about life too seriously, since, in the long run it's all ridiculous.

Fradulent enlistment basically means that someone lied about something they already knew about at enlistment, and doesn't really mean much other than that. There are plenty who get that slapped on their record when they're separated from a branch of the armed forces who may have simply lied about having ADD or somesuch.
Obviously, neither of us knows what he lied about, but clearly we can take it as a given that he lied.

(I, incidentally, got erroneous enlistment, which means I had an issue that was UNKNOWN that cropped up as a result of joining the military. (I think. In my case it was more that I had emotional/psychological issues I didn't fully understand, but that's beside the point.)

But yeah, this kid clearly needed help, and it's sad that he didn't get it, especially since other people suffered because of it. It's another bit of evidence supporting a much greater need for mental health care in our society, not only expanding its overall service, but how seriously it is taken. We need to stop dismissing things and saying people should "man up" and start taking things like this far more seriously. Sure, sometimes people should just grow up, but oftentimes, such as in this case, it's not that simple.
The reason I mentioned paranoia is that on CNN and MSNBC, two different psychologists were brought in to talk about the case, and both suggested that this person showed some signs of paranoid delusion.

While I agree wholeheartedly that, nationally, we need a better attitude towards treating mental illness -- in fact, I think the lack of care for serious mental illness is a disgrace -- but one of the problems with paranoid disorders is that they often slip under the radar of even good mental health systems. Paranoids don't hear voices or see hallucinations. They don't develop physical symptoms, like tics or spasms. They can be perfectly functional and appear completely healthy, and all the while be absolutely convinced that people, or just one randomly picked person, is trying to harm them. Often times, the disorder will be revealed when the sufferer refuses to eat or drink, claiming that their food has been poisoned, or confronts and accuses the random person from wherever who they think has been sabotaging them. But often the disorder shows no sign until a breakdown occurs, and the sufferer does something extreme, like attacking people.

And even when identified, treating paranoia is extremely difficult. I may be wrong, but I don't know of any medical treatment for it. And of course, paranoids are very likely to refuse treatment, because their paranoia will not let them trust it.

Depression can be helped. Schizophrenia can be helped. A host of psychoses and psychological disorders can be helped. It is an absolute crime that so many people suffer from such conditions and have no access to good treatment. But there is very little that can be done about paranoia. If the Alabama shooter really did suffer from a paranoid delusion, there may have been no way to prevent this.

Obviously, neither of us knows what he lied about, but clearly we can take it as a given that he lied.
He told them he was hetero :D

Perhaps you're right, Muravyets. Still, I would like to think that we'll eventually figure out some way of helping people with paranoia. I don't know what exactly, but some way surely exists.

Pies not guns, because blueberry is better than blood. Worst case you need a shower and a change of clothes.

^^ this.

He told them he was hetero :D

Don't ask; don't tell.

Wow, d'ya think he might have failed the psych requirements for either or both jobs?

Spider-pig, spider-pig,
Doing whatever, a spider-pig does.
Can he swing, from a web? No, he can't: he's a pig.

I know youre probably joking, but telling a clearly emotionally unstable person that theyre worthless and will never achieve their dreams is not a good idea.

Often, when I joke about serious things like this, I try to wrap a serious opinion into a silly one. I may have wrapped this one too tightly. I was trying to suggest that a more critical and accurate appraisal of his achievements(or lack thereof) might have helped him to live up to his dreams. Maybe he wouldn't be emotionally unstable at 28 if he had a more accurate view of his own abilities. He might have even made the most of them.

I know youre probably joking, but telling a clearly emotionally unstable person that theyre worthless and will never achieve their dreams is not a good idea.
But their reactions are funny as hell.

But their reactions are funny as hell.

Obvious troll is obvious.

They kicked him out for 'fraudulent enlistment' which means he got caught in a big fat lie.

just read he was kicked out for being a practicing homosexual during basic.

just read he was kicked out for being a practicing homosexual during basic.

Well, if they didn't ask and he didn't tell then where's the fraud? :confused:

Well, if they didn't ask and he didn't tell then where's the fraud? :confused:

if you get caught in the act they kick you out.

if you get caught in the act they kick you out.

So I've heard. But it isn't 'fraudulent enlistment'.

So I've heard. But it isn't 'fraudulent enlistment'.

if its during Initial Entry Training phase it is. if it is post IET phase it is a medical discharge. just how the army makes sure to avoid paying anything to certain people kicked out early in their time.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Old meme is old. GTFO my internets, kthnxby.

And the complete "Don't ask don't tell" is that if someone asks, they can get in trouble. If you tell, you get discharge. And as for how you can fail, ask all the guys I've either dealt with or went to basic with that couldn't hack it and left.

just read he was kicked out for being a practicing homosexual during basic.

I have not found that anywhere. I have read stories from Alabama local and Alabama in general. All I've learned was he sustained a football injury from high school, he and his mom sued a chicken plant they use to work at (possibly a class action) because of something wrong with their wages. And that Alabama ppl who post on local happenings are really religious.

What a turn the story has taken! If only the armed forces accepted gays!


Obvious troll is obvious.

Hai newfag, NSG is immune to your cancer so srsly gtfo plox.

if its during Initial Entry Training phase it is.
Maybe he was a little confused about what kind of "entry" they were training him to do.

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

They don't take just anyone anymore, haven't in a long time. In 1988 my oldest son wanted to join the Army. I told him not to check asthma on the medical form. He didn't listen to Pops and he didn't get into the Army.

how the fuck do you fail joining the marines, or any branch of the armed forces???

The USMC has standards. They're the one branch that even when recruiting nationwide is down, still rejects enough applicants to be statistically significant. Generally, it runs along lines of psyche evaluations, ASVAB scores, physical fitness standards (which can, in some cases be waivered if it's not a permanent condition), and general job-interviewy stuff. I know several people who were rejected by the Marines (mostly for joint injuries, though one I know blew the Psychological evaluation.)

This kid probably blew both the Psych-eval, and the ASVAB if he didn't have a sports-injury (bad knees, bad ankles, bad shoulder, etc.)

They don't take just anyone anymore, haven't in a long time. In 1988 my oldest son wanted to join the Army. I told him not to check asthma on the medical form. He didn't listen to Pops and he didn't get into the Army.

the recruiter should have gone over that like 6 or 7 times.

In 1988 my oldest son wanted to join the Army. I told him not to check asthma on the medical form.
Isn't that a tad irresponsible?

You wanted to be a Nobel prize willing physicist, LG?

The USMC has standards. They're the one branch that even when recruiting nationwide is down, still rejects enough applicants to be statistically significant. Generally, it runs along lines of psyche evaluations, ASVAB scores, physical fitness standards (which can, in some cases be waivered if it's not a permanent condition), and general job-interviewy stuff. I know several people who were rejected by the Marines (mostly for joint injuries, though one I know blew the Psychological evaluation.)

This kid probably blew both the Psych-eval, and the ASVAB if he didn't have a sports-injury (bad knees, bad ankles, bad shoulder, etc.)

funny thing is US army minimum ASVAB score is 26. marine minimum ASVAB score is 25. though the army takes more GED types.

The free market solves everything. Even unemployment solves itself by causing disgruntled killing sprees that help correct the oversupply of labor.

The free market solves everything. Even unemployment solves itself by causing disgruntled killing sprees that help correct the oversupply of labor.

If this is a joke, well played. If its not, :rolleyes:

I honestly dont know, because it seems like a very standard libertarian line.

If this is a joke, well played. If its not, :rolleyes:

I honestly dont know, because it seems like a very standard libertarian line.

That was a joke. In this situation the standard libertarian line would call for arming every man, woman, and child with firearms for self defense.

The free market solves everything. Even unemployment solves itself by causing disgruntled killing sprees that help correct the oversupply of labor.

Actually, that resolution only makes sense on a Keynesian model that can allow for such a thing as an "oversupply" of labor. :)

Actually, that resolution only makes sense on a Keynesian model that can allow for such a thing as an "oversupply" of labor. :)

I'm burned :tongue:

funny thing is US army minimum ASVAB score is 26. marine minimum ASVAB score is 25. though the army takes more GED types.

That's because the Marines don't want GED types. If you have one you have to get a waiver, which is hard. A bunch of my buddies tried for it, and no one got it, all of them wound up in the Army, and are fine soldiers nowadays.

and what mos will allow an asvab score of 25 or 26? The minimum for infantry is like 35 or 40...

That's because the Marines don't want GED types. If you have one you have to get a waiver, which is hard. A bunch of my buddies tried for it, and no one got it, all of them wound up in the Army, and are fine soldiers nowadays.

and what mos will allow an asvab score of 25 or 26? The minimum for infantry is like 35 or 40...

i am thinking cook.
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/genjoin/a/asvabminimum.htm
look at the waiver ASVAB score.

All needing a waiver says anyways is too dumb or lazy to get 15 credit hours at community college.

Hai newfag, NSG is immune to your cancer so srsly gtfo plox.

It always amuses me to see people from 4chan try to call out other people on the Internet.

That was a joke. In this situation the standard libertarian line would call for arming every man, woman, and child with firearms for self defense.That sounds socialist to me. Why should anybody else have to pay for arming the people who don't have the money to buy their own guns?

I seriously doubt this offender killed himself.

It just saved the system the inconvenience of arranging a jailhouse "suicide'.