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Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

I dunno. I still see plenty of reds and pinkos around, including myself. We still far outnumber you conservatives (or "conseratives"), I've noticed. :P

I dunno. I still see plenty of reds and pinkos around, including myself. We still far outnumber you conservatives (or "conseratives"), I've noticed. :P

Good sir, I have never been so insulted in my life, except when I have been called a 'Conservative' before! I'll have you know I despise those dirty fools who have a 'V' in their names!

Oh, and I'm a Libertarian, so HA!:p

Edit: and you seem a bit more 'right' to me. Maybe I've just been in this forum too long. >.>

Where's the ch-

Oh.

Where's the ch-

Oh.

*chokes*

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

Meh, the old guard still remains. My posting style has changed I tend to stay away from the more serious threads nowadays.

*chokes*

Why is violence the answer to everything these days. I tell you, things were never like this back in my day *shakes cane*.

Why is violence the answer to everything these days. I tell you, things were never like this back in my day *shakes cane*.

*Steals your cane and beats you with it like a redheaded stepchild*

yeah ive noticed the trend will continue. You see NSG and other internet sources of conversing tend to favor opposition parties. So while the mainstream swings left the internet swings right.
that and I have been linking the site on a bunch of conservative think tanks telling them there is a bunch of hippies here that need killing.

Why is violence the answer to everything these days. I tell you, things were never like this back in my day *shakes cane*.
So says Darth Vader. You really have gotten soft, old man.

There's always the few right wing noobs around. As often as not they don't last because the majority will tell them they're wrong in a variety of ways. Just about enough hang about to keep this from coming the lefty equivalent of stormfront.

So says Darth Vader. You really have gotten soft, old man.

Not every problem can be solved with the edge of a lightsaber. Ok, they can, but some of them are *better* solved via diplomacy.

There's always the few right wing noobs around. As often as not they don't last because the majority will tell them they're wrong in a variety of ways. Just about enough hang about to keep this from coming the lefty equivalent of stormfront.

It always has been a liberal version of stormfront. Movies have the token black guys, NSG has token conservatives

Not every problem can be solved with the edge of a lightsaber. Ok, they can, but some of them are *better* solved via diplomacy.

Bullshit, diplomacy is for people who have just been out drawn.
It always has been a liberal version of stormfront. Movies have the token black guys, NSG has token conservatives

We keep our token conservatives. Stormfront bans their token liberals.

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.

Shit, HR. I haven't seen you here in forever.

Why is violence the answer to everything these days. I tell you, things were never like this back in my day *shakes cane*.

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*continues choking*

Problem is, for some reason it is mostly the intelligent and decent posters who are leaving NSG. Consequently, its only natural that over time there will be an increasing preponderance of conservatives here.

Shit, HR. I haven't seen you here in forever.

And I've not seen you here the past few days. Veeeeery iiiiiiinteresting.

But seriously. Truth be told, I retired from NS for a while. It's nice to be back with the old crew. :)

Problem is, for some reason it is mostly the intelligent and decent posters who are leaving NSG. Consequently, its only natural that over time there will be an increasing preponderance of conservatives here.

There were intelligent and decent posters on NSG? I haven't seen any in my 3 years.

And I've not seen you here the past few days. Veeeeery iiiiiiinteresting.

But seriously. Truth be told, I retired from NS for a while. It's nice to be back with the old crew. :)

You the man, transformer mod, you the man.

Not every problem can be solved with the edge of a lightsaber. Ok, they can, but some of them are *better* solved via diplomacy.
Diplomacy means that you talk to people shortly before desophagating* them.

*Desophagate (verb) = Removal of a person's esophagus, typically through violent means.

Diplomacy means that you talk to people shortly before desophagating* them.

*Desophagate (verb) = Removal of a person's esophagus, typically through violent means.

Aggressive negotiations. I appreciate that.

Aggressive negotiations. I appreciate that.

How dare you quote the second trilogy.

Why is violence the answer to everything these days. I tell you, things were never like this back in my day *shakes cane*.Violence isn't the answer, I know, I got it wrong on purpose.

How dare you quote the second trilogy.

Sorry. It seemed appropriate.

I dunno. I still see plenty of reds and pinkos around, including myself. We still far outnumber you conservatives (or "conseratives"), I've noticed. :P

I've never even noticed that :)

Good sir, I have never been so insulted in my life, except when I have been called a 'Conservative' before! I'll have you know I despise those dirty fools who have a 'V' in their names!

Oh, and I'm a Libertarian, so HA!:p

Edit: and you seem a bit more 'right' to me. Maybe I've just been in this forum too long. >.>
Eh. I'm a lefty on the American scheme, as you said. In Europe I'd be a right-winger though. Political views, funny things ain't they? :P

And "Conserative" has a 'V' in it, so there.

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.

Aye. The active posters leaving have been the ones who joined in NS's midlife (i.e. '05-'07). Now we've got mostly old-timers and newbies, and most of the newbies don't stick around.

There were intelligent and decent posters on NSG? I haven't seen any in my 3 years.

ahem-hem. *points at self meaningfully*
;)

There were intelligent and decent posters on NSG? I haven't seen any in my 3 years.

Maybe you have them blocked?

Whenever I see anyone being an intolerant, bigoted asshole on here eventually the cavalry arrives and shoots them down, leaving them to crawl back into their cave to watch Fox News, fap to conservapedia and whine about the gays.

Embarrassing the stupid and ignorant is a vital public service, which many posters here are devoting themselves to without pay, just for the love of teh freedumz. I struggle to think of a more fundamentally decent cause.

Now we've got mostly old-timers and newbies, and most of the newbies don't stick around.
;)I like defying the norm. :D

Truth be told, I retired from NS for a while. It's nice to be back with the old crew. :)

So you're the Michael Jordan of NSG?

I like defying the norm. :D

Actually, there are what, 40 '08 posters who can be considered regulars? 50? 60? Not all that many for a game that had 88,000 active nations at the beginning of last year. And there are still likely more of them than any other year since, say, '04 or '03.

I wonder what happened to all those people who joined in the middle and why they all decided to give it up seemingly around the same time.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb217/1010102/Generalmotivatorkx5-1.jpg

*runs*

Actually, there are what, 40 '08 posters who can be considered regulars? 50? 60? What does it take to be considered a regular? o_0;
Not all that many for a game that had 88,000 active nations at the beginning of last year. And there are still likely more of them than any other year since, say, '04 or '03.Maybe people go to the off-site forums more?

I wonder what happened to all those people who joined in the middle and why they all decided to give it up seemingly around the same time.Dunno.

So you're the Michael Jordan of NSG?

That's kind of insulting to Michael Jordan, man. :p

Actually, there are what, 40 '08 posters who can be considered regulars? 50? 60? Not all that many for a game that had 88,000 active nations at the beginning of last year. And there are still likely more of them than any other year since, say, '04 or '03.

I wonder what happened to all those people who joined in the middle and why they all decided to give it up seemingly around the same time.
They didn't leave of their own volition. I tracked down and decapitated them in order to gain their powers.
It turns out that their powers consisted of a whole lot of gross red stuff that spurted all over the place and ruined several pairs of pants. I shall have to plan my next scheme to gain INFINITE POWER much better.

[snip picture]

*runs*

I do hope he hasn't got the runs. Unless he's into coprophagia.

They didn't leave of their own volition. I tracked down and decapitated them in order to gain their powers.
It turns out that their powers consisted of a whole lot of gross red stuff that spurted all over the place and ruined several pairs of pants. I shall have to plan my next scheme to gain INFINITE POWER much better.

Now to get my sister to post on NSG...

That's kind of insulting to Michael Jordan, man. :p

No, his career in baseball was insulting to Michael Jordan. After that, nothing can be insulting.

Problem is, for some reason it is mostly the intelligent and decent posters who are leaving NSG. Consequently, its only natural that over time there will be an increasing preponderance of conservatives here.

Is that why you are still here? :D

I'm a regular right winger here and have been for some time. Nobody worry about the right being underrepresented while I'm still stompin' around. . .

I'm a regular right winger here and have been for some time. Nobody worry about the right being underrepresented while I'm still stompin' around. . .Location: Omnipresent....I am slightly concerned for your mental health. May I call the nice men in the white coats? You have there number, right?

And I've not seen you here the past few days. Veeeeery iiiiiiinteresting.

But seriously. Truth be told, I retired from NS for a while. It's nice to be back with the old crew. :)

Au H2O! You have returned!

Is that why you are still here? :D

Yes. At the end it will just be me versus whatever Hotwife chooses as the name of his next nation and dozens of people just like him. Threads will be entirely full of racist demotivational posters, and replies full of caustic sarcasm, ending in the servers committing suicide to escape the vicious cycle.

Not to be confused with the viscous cycle, which is the name of the power mechanism for the new servers made of syrup to be established in 2010 as part of a marketing ploy to make the few remaining posters buy Max Barry's other books.

Yes. At the end it will just be me versus whatever Hotwife chooses as the name of his next nation and dozens of people just like him. Threads will be entirely full of racist demotivational posters, and replies full of caustic sarcasm, ending in the servers committing suicide to escape the vicious cycle.

Not to be confused with the viscous cycle, which is the name of the power mechanism for the new servers made of syrup to be established in 2010 as part of a marketing ploy to make the few remaining posters buy Max Barry's other books.

lmao, I'll still be here looking for posts for me to make a joke out of.

I like defying the norm. :D
I, for one, am glad you do. :)

I, for one, am glad you do. :)Thanks, Kat. I didn't think you noticed me much. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/CeilingKat2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/moderatorkitteh.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/CeilingKat2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/moderatorkitteh.jpgOh, wow. :D
At least somebody is watching my "dastardly/nefarious/evil/funny" activities. :p

Au H2O! You have returned!

An element and a molecule. I sure am moving up in the world.

An element and a molecule. I sure am moving up in the world.

I'm not so sure...I think he might have just called you a golden shower...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/CeilingKat2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/NS%20forum%20macros/moderatorkitteh.jpg

This is why I can't touch myself at night. :tongue:

They didn't leave of their own volition. I tracked down and decapitated them in order to gain their powers.
It turns out that their powers consisted of a whole lot of gross red stuff that spurted all over the place and ruined several pairs of pants. I shall have to plan my next scheme to gain INFINITE POWER much better.
Nah, you just did it because you wanted your postcount back. Being a n/a ghost sucks. That's why I have this puppet.

Yes. At the end it will just be me versus whatever Hotwife chooses as the name of his next nation and dozens of people just like him. Threads will be entirely full of racist demotivational posters, and replies full of caustic sarcasm, ending in the servers committing suicide to escape the vicious cycle.

Not to be confused with the viscous cycle, which is the name of the power mechanism for the new servers made of syrup to be established in 2010 as part of a marketing ploy to make the few remaining posters buy Max Barry's other books.

Servers made of syrup wouldn't last long, though. Eww.

I'm not so sure...I think he might have just called you a golden shower...

That's "aurous hydroxide" to you!

If it's any comfort, HR, it probably means you have a high pH score.

And at least you can do something. Sulfur-carbon-iodide would be extremely unstable even if it could be bonded realistically, due to all three of those elements being on the same side of the periodic table.

I'm not so sure...I think he might have just called you a golden shower...

I can produce a golden shower...I'm not sure that helps my case, though.

This is why I can't touch myself at night. :tongue:
No fibbing now. When you fib, Basement Cat eats a piece of your soul!

this is why i hate cats
*feel free to give me a warning for shits and giggles*

That's "aurous hydroxide" to you!

If it's any comfort, HR, it probably means you have a high pH score.

And at least you can do something. Sulfur-carbon-iodide would be extremely unstable even if it could be bonded realistically, due to all three of those elements being on the same side of the periodic table.

Bummer. It would make more sense for me to have a low pH, given my caustic quality.

lmao, I'll still be here looking for posts for me to make a joke out of.

Depends. I'm not sure...but if I remember rightly from my travels in the fourth dimension, you continue posting into 2010, but eventually get permabanned by the new moderator FreedomAndGlory.

That's "aurous hydroxide" to you!

If it's any comfort, HR, it probably means you have a high pH score.

And at least you can do something. Sulfur-carbon-iodide would be extremely unstable even if it could be bonded realistically, due to all three of those elements being on the same side of the periodic table.

Bummer. It would make more sense for me to have a low pH, given my caustic quality.

Hee, I was being literal and thinking he was calling you Goldwater, HotRod.

Bummer. It would make more sense for me to have a low pH, given my caustic quality.

Actually, more alkaline substances tend to be corrosive, which is pretty similar. But if you become bitter, don't blame me. It's not like I can neutralize it.

Depends. I'm not sure...but if I remember rightly from my travels in the fourth dimension, you continue posting into 2010, but you eventually get permabanned by the new moderator FreedomAndGlory.What happens to me? Do I disappear, or get banned? :confused: Or do I go off to conquer the world?

the new moderator FreedomAndGlory.

I chuckled.

Still seems unlikely though. At least until we get Drunk Commies the Mod, then all bets are off.

What happens to me? Do I disappear, or get banned? :confused: Or do I go off to conquer the world?

you get humped by a donkey and someone post the video. you never post again on NSG in shame.

you get humped by a donkey and someone post the video. you never post again on NSG in shame....Interesting. (Y so srs? :P)

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

Well, some people flipped sides. Noone was more liberal and red than I was, then I went into the military and I immediately made a 180 turn into ultra-conservatism.

I used to be a hardline conservative (no welfare, throw addicts in jail, no therapy), but when I went into university I became more liberal and centrist.

...Interesting. (Y so srs? :P)

on the bright side you have a budding career in Tijuana.

Actually, more alkaline substances tend to be corrosive, which is pretty similar. But if you become bitter, don't blame me. It's not like I can neutralize it.

Terrible, terrible puns.

I dig it.

on the bright side you have a budding career in Tijuana.I have a career!? :eek:
That's the best news I've heard in years! :D

And I used to be a hardline conservative (but I'm not a regular yet... :*( ), but I became a middle-of-the-road/position hopping S.O.B.

What happens to me? Do I disappear, or get banned? :confused: Or do I go off to conquer the world?

You collaborate with the new regime to avoid the purges, and undergo the required deeducation by learning to recite the entire works of Ann Coulter backwards to the tune of songs by The Right Brothers.

I have a career!? :eek:
That's the best news I've heard in years! :D

if you consider working in Tijuana in a donkey show a good career.

A salutary, desperately needed and long-overdue development, in my not-at-all-humble opinion ;)

You collaborate with the new regime to avoid the purges, and undergo the required deeducation by learning to recite the entire works of Ann Coulter backwards to the tune of songs by The Right Brothers....That wouldn't require much "de-education" I'm afraid. :(

if you consider working in Tijuana in a donkey show a good career.Said nothin' 'bout good. Just said that it 'twas a career.

Well, some people flipped sides. Noone was more liberal and red than I was, then I went into the military and I immediately made a 180 turn into ultra-conservatism.
Hehe, most people today who know me would not believe where I was at politically when I first joined.

*has bout of nostalgia*

Anyways, I think it's mainly due to the (moderate) Left becoming the establishment. It's not much fun just being in favour of the government.

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.:mp5::gundge::mp5::soap:

*snip*o_0;

...My eyes. :(

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.

*pets*

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.

Communism/socialism combined have produced the three worst genocidal dictators in history, Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.

Terrible, terrible puns.

You flatter me. They're basic -- anyone could have synthesized them.

Anyway, it's practically a NS tradition to bond over such things.

You flatter me. They're basic -- anyone could have synthesized them.

Anyway, it's practically a NS tradition to bond over such things.

I suppose it's not surprising. It seems a lot of Generalites are into bondage.

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.:mp5::gundge::mp5::soap:

I was going to make a comment about how you need to stick around, because it would be fun to see people argue with you, but then I saw the smilies.

Nobody likes gun smilies. Please stop using them. They cause permanent brain damage :(

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.:mp5::gundge::mp5::soap:
Sloppy punctuation, sloppy capitalization, sloppy grammar; sloppy thinking.

Sloppy punctuation, sloppy capitalization, sloppy grammar; sloppy thinking.

silence grammar NAZI

silence grammar NAZI

She has a right being a teacher and all......

She has a right being a teacher and all......

former teacher she got the pink slip

NSG is a stagnant cesspool that I keep coming by to swim in for some reason.

Read: no change.

former teacher she got the pink slip

*sighs*

Yea America! First thing to go are the teachers!

I suppose it's not surprising. It seems a lot of Generalites are into bondage.
Usually ionic bondage, I've noticed -- covalent bondage is somewhat less popular. Probably because we're greedy bastards.

Sloppy punctuation, sloppy capitalization, sloppy grammar; sloppy thinking.

Sentence fragments. C-minus for you.

former teacher she got the pink slip
Nuh-uh.

*sighs*

Yea America! First thing to go are the teachers!

Well New york is replacing the teachers with cheap Hispanic laborers willing to work for 3 dollars an hour. Or one dollar less then current teacher wage.

Nuh-uh.

check your in box at work Friday.

Usually ionic bondage, I've noticed -- covalent bondage is somewhat less popular. Probably because we're greedy bastards.



Sentence fragments. C-minus for you.
Perhaps, but just think. When I say, "Fail," it MEANS something. ;)

Well New york is replacing the teachers with cheap Hispanic laborers willing to work for 3 dollars an hour. Or one dollar less then current teacher wage.

Paying them in dollars? They go ripped off.

Communism/socialism combined have produced the three worst genocidal dictators in history, Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.
Nope, no change here.

Well New york is replacing the teachers with cheap Hispanic laborers willing to work for 3 dollars an hour. Or one dollar less then current teacher wage.
Teachers get paid that much? With my tax money? Clearly a waste of the budget. I say we cut their salaries to something more reasonable, like 25 cents an hour, with rubber bands as weekly bonuses. To compensate, we can use the money we'll make to put coffee machines in all classrooms. They'll never notice. *nod*

Perhaps, but just think. When I say, "Fail," it MEANS something. ;)

Not to me, not anymore. *brandishes diploma* ;)

former teacher she got the pink slipThat was Ryadn. Kat (so far as I know) still has her job. And I'm willing to bet tenure.

silence grammar NAZI

Just because your grammar and spelling suck doesn't mean that the rest of us aren't allowed to correct those who need correcting.;)

I was a staunch Republican in my younger days, then became more liberal and red. This last election galvanized the two into one, and some of the threads I've posted on recently have shown my conservative side more. I'd say I am more of a populist or responsive communitarian: socially moderate to conservative, economically socialist (to the NSG conservatives, no one in the DNC really counts as socialist, except for Dennis Kucinich, maybe), politically states' rights/ultra-democratic.

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs, some shouldn't even be trusted with a pencil yet we give them a little power in control of the government. its messed up, sure people in power abuse power. but that can be fixed with a council that supervises it. the three part political power the democrats have is good, but so is the governing power of Korea and USSR had. its all about making the good of the country not a group of people. like in WW2 the united states did what was best for the nation not the individual. it was hard times, but goos times. productivity was UP! and if someone has a probleam they can leave. Forcing someone to work gets you four crappy tank, getting someone who loves to work gets you three good tanks.:mp5::gundge::mp5::soap:

Angry rants with awful punctuation? And some people thought NSG was changing...

Angry rants with awful punctuation? And some people thought NSG was changing...

G call.

Theyre just louder now that they dont have a real message anymore thats all...

That was Ryadn. Kat (so far as I know) still has her job. And I'm willing to bet tenure.

just read on CNN new york started dumping even the tenured teachers.
they are expecting to quadruple class size after spring break. so 3 out of 4 teachers gone in NY.



Just because your grammar and spelling suck doesn't mean that the rest of us aren't allowed to correct those who need correcting.;)

this is a casual internet forum. the only grammar enforcement allowed, is is the enforcement of l33t

just read on CNN new york started dumping even the tenured teachers.
they are expecting to quadruple class size after spring break. so 3 out of 4 teachers gone in NY.
so far as I know, they really can't get rid of tenured teachers. Hence the purpose of tenure...

this is a casual internet forum. the only grammar enforcement allowed, is is the enforcement of l33t

Right...right...now if you'll just follow me this way to your train...

so far as I know, they really can't get rid of tenured teachers. Hence the purpose of tenure...

in SCOTUS cases
Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth, 408 US 564; and (ii) Perry v. Sindermann, 408 US 593.
life tenure has to be stipulated in the contract.
And New York Tenure contract system has an escape clause for budget issues.



Right...right...now if you'll just follow me this way to your train...

say it in l33t!!!

in SCOTUS cases
Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth, 408 US 564; and (ii) Perry v. Sindermann, 408 US 593.
life tenure has to be stipulated in the contract.
And New York Tenure contract system has an escape clause for budget issues.
Huh...interesting. I'm glad Boston did away with tenure. Though, we're still a mandatory union state...*grumbles*

say it in l33t!!!

*stabs*

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.
Good.

Just because your grammar and spelling suck doesn't mean that the rest of us aren't allowed to correct those who need correcting.;)

Too bad most of the time it's used as an attempt to disprove an argument.

Huh...interesting. I'm glad Boston did away with tenure. Though, we're still a mandatory union state...*grumbles*


*stabs*

Tenure is good for universities, high school and lower the the curriculum is so standardize i find it unneeded.

Too bad most of the time it's used as an attempt to disprove an argument.

which is why i attack every grammar nazi everywhere i see them.

Too bad most of the time it's used as an attempt to disprove an argument.
I do it to stop my eyes from bleeding when I don't actually care about the argument being presented.
Tenure is good for universities, high school and lower the the curriculum is so standardize i find it unneeded.
Agreed. And coming from a (hopeful) teacher. Though, not for the same reasons...I don't think the curriculum is standarized at all (though, it is very standardized in Texas.)

No fibbing now. When you fib, Basement Cat eats a piece of your soul!

Does this mean you have seen me do it? :eek:

Depends. I'm not sure...but if I remember rightly from my travels in the fourth dimension, you continue posting into 2010, but eventually get permabanned by the new moderator FreedomAndGlory.

Well it is only a matter of time before I do.

Depends. I'm not sure...but if I remember rightly from my travels in the fourth dimension, you continue posting into 2010, but eventually get permabanned by the new moderator FreedomAndGlory.

What fates await the other regulars oh wise Dumb Ideologies, what does this grim future hold for the likes of LunaticGoofballs and proud Neo Art. I implore thee tell all.

What fates await the other regulars oh wise Dumb Ideologies, what does this grim future hold for the likes of LunaticGoofballs and proud Neo Art. I implore thee tell all.

Free Soviets actually had a thread about "FS predicts your future", I think.

Or maybe it was "FS reminisces about your past". You humans and your temporal directions, I can never get them straight.

Agreed. And coming from a (hopeful) teacher. Though, not for the same reasons...I don't think the curriculum is standarized at all (though, it is very standardized in Texas.)

yeah i guess our standardization was something we started on in the last twenty years. not really familiar with other states education curriculum. We used to be a patch work of hundreds of independent school districts(still are in name).

yeah i guess our standardization was something we started on in the last twenty years. not really familiar with other states education curriculum. We used to be a patch work of hundreds of independent school districts(still are in name).

Texas, Georgia, and a few other states are almost entirely centralized. MA uses a standards based curriculum, in which certain basic lessons must be taught in each year, but the texts and individual lessons can be dictated by the district and teacher.

Texas, Georgia, and a few other states are almost entirely centralized. MA uses a standards based curriculum, in which certain basic lessons must be taught in each year, but the texts and individual lessons can be dictated by the district and teacher.

i think Texas did it because it was the only way to stop the teaching of creationism in the more country districts.

Theyre just louder now that they dont have a real message anymore thats all...

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What fates await the other regulars oh wise Dumb Ideologies, what does this grim future hold for the likes of LunaticGoofballs and proud Neo Art. I implore thee tell all.

Permabanned too, I'm afraid. But we keep in touch, and so I know the following of their subsequent lives.

Due to a spiral of protectionism extending across the globe, open trade worldwide slumps to zero. In a desperate effort to earn enough money to secure a steady supply of tacos from Mexico on the black market, LG takes a job in the employ of the new authoritarian government led by Katganistan, established after she defeated Obama in a battle of verbal Ninjutsu and permabanned him from the White House. LG works as a comedy assassin, killing the enemies of Kat by dropping pianos and anvils from the sky, or through the use of explosive custard pies.

Following the suspension of the ordinary legal system and the introduction of summary justice, Neo Art joins the underground revolutionary group Lawyers in Catsuits. This group storms government meetings and hijacks news broadcasts in order to unleash a barrage of dope rhymes about liberty and procedural justice. They escape arrest for several years since everyone is so busy staring at the catsuits, they never remember any of the group's faces.

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.

People do come back though, Bottle wasn't around for a while but has been back recently. I kind of miss Peeplonia and Laerod though - haven't seen them in a while.

This is why I can't touch myself at night. :tongue:

This is WHY I touch myself at night.

Sloppy punctuation, sloppy capitalization, sloppy grammar; sloppy thinking.
And you should see him eat.
Perhaps, but just think. When I say, "Fail," it MEANS something. ;)

Pffft, no it doesn't. Nobody cares about passing Engrish.

I wouldn't know, but it seems about 65/35 split in favour of the left. And I'm a socio-liberal, so new members are turning out to be left as well

The only meaningful demographic shift I've noticed is a strong trend towards fewer active posters.

* nods

I wouldn't know, but it seems about 65/35 split in favour of the left.
Perhaps, but there's a big distinction within this split.

You've got a mass of people on the centre-left ('liberals' in US parlance), a bunch of socialists and a few left-libertarians/anarchists.

A similar distinction emerges on the right.

There isn't, I'd posit, a particular political view that is dominant on NSG, beyond that of a vague anti-authoritarian streak.

Permabanned too, I'm afraid. But we keep in touch, and so I know the following of their subsequent lives.

Due to a spiral of protectionism extending across the globe, open trade worldwide slumps to zero. In a desperate effort to earn enough money to secure a steady supply of tacos from Mexico on the black market, LG takes a job in the employ of the new authoritarian government led by Katganistan, established after she defeated Obama in a battle of verbal Ninjustsu and permabanned him from the White House. LG works as a comedy assassin, killing the enemies of Kat by dropping pianos and anvils from the sky, or through the use of explosive custard pies.

Following the suspension of the ordinary legal system and the introduction of summary justice, Neo Art joins the underground revolutionary group Lawyers in Catsuits. This group storms government meetings and hijacks news broadcasts in order to unleash a barrage of dope rhymes about liberty and procedural justice. They escape arrest for several years since everyone is so busy staring at the catsuits, they never remember any of the group's faces.
You are preparing to be LG's replacement? :D

Problem is, for some reason it is mostly the intelligent and decent posters who are leaving NSG.

pretty obvious why i'm still here then ;)

to the OP: yeah, but NSG is always changing. it seems to be shrinking, if anything, but i might be wrong

They dont last, however.

Most of them are trolls or children.

People do come back though, Bottle wasn't around for a while but has been back recently. I kind of miss Peeplonia and Laerod though - haven't seen them in a while.

I saw Peepelonia posting a week or so ago, if I remember correctly. Haven't seen Laerod in a while, now that you mention it.

Edit: The biggest change I seem to have noticed is something of a cadre of new, quite sloppy posters. Short posts, lots of them, simple arguments, etc. Fortunately, there are still some excellent debates out there.

I do hope he hasn't got the runs. Unless he's into coprophagia.

He's just jealous because liberals are flexible enough to stick their heads into their own small intestines. We generally avoid doing that, but the important thing is we could if we felt like it.

And I don't think there are many more new conservatives than there are new liberals. You just tend to notice them more because overall NSG is much more liberal.

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

Meh. I guess that the election of O'Bama has awaken the vocality of a lot of right-wingers around.

Communism/socialism combined have produced the three worst genocidal dictators in history, Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.

Eh?

Either knowledge-challenged or ideology-ridden. Or both.

theres is only one answer to politics. communism. people cant handle control of them selfs...

Oh my.*facepalm*

If people can't control themselves, communism is quite pointless.
What you're meaning is dictatorship (be it a right-wing one or a left-wing one or even a centrist one).

Has anyone else noticed that the majority of new/revived posters coming in are more on the 'Right' of the American Left-Right Political spectrum, or is it just me?

If it is true its about time, lol. I like economic libertarians.

Pffft, no it doesn't. Nobody cares about passing Engrish.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

like i need English, its not like i am planning to go to England.

Eh?

Nazism = National Socialism. Not National Monarchy, National Fundamentalism, National Anarchism or National Free-Enterprise Capitalism. National Socialism.

Either knowledge-challenged or ideology-ridden. Or both.

These options more properly apply to your statement.

Nazism = National Socialism. Not National Monarchy, National Fundamentalism, National Anarchism or National Free-Enterprise Capitalism. National Socialism.

Have you ever noticed what a paragon of popular-supported representative democracy the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is?

Nazism = National Socialism. Not National Monarchy, National Fundamentalism, National Anarchism or National Free-Enterprise Capitalism. National Socialism.


Jus because you call it something doesnt make it so.

Unless you want to concede that North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

Nazism = National Socialism. Not National Monarchy, National Fundamentalism, National Anarchism or National Free-Enterprise Capitalism. National Socialism.


The Nazi Party was Fascist through and through, they simply formed before the term was popularized by Benito Mussolini...

Which as wikipedia will tell you:

Fascism is a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology that aims to create a single-party state with a government led by a dictator who seeks national unity and development by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation or race.

Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (individualism, liberalism, representative democracy); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (communism, class conflict, internationalism, laissez-faire capitalism);

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Completely contradictory to the core aims of "Socialism" as aspired by Marx, etc...

The Nazi Party was Fascist through and through, they simply formed before the term was popularized by Benito Mussolini...

Which as wikipedia will tell you:






Completely contradictory to the core aims of "Socialism" as aspired by Marx, etc...


But...but...that would mean Jonah Goldberg is a worthless, ignorant peice of crap, and anyone who buys his tripe is woefully uninformed!!!:eek2:

The Nazi Party was Fascist through and through, they simply formed before the term was popularized by Benito Mussolini...

Which as wikipedia will tell you:






Completely contradictory to the core aims of "Socialism" as aspired by Marx, etc...

It says Communism, not Socialism. The reason being is that Communism is seen as un-nationalistic and weak in power, in theory.

However, ideologically, there is hardly a difference between Nazism (or Fascism pure, whatever you'd like) and Authoritarian Socialism.

Even more so because Fascism does not have to be racist or 'evil'.

Even more so because Fascism does not have to be racist or 'evil'.

It is, however, almost always xenophobic, because it often relies on glorification of the "volk" and extreme nationalism.

It is, however, almost always xenophobic, because it often relies on glorification of the "volk" and extreme nationalism.
All or literally almost all Authoritarian regimes tend to promote nationalism or extreme nationalism, regardless of whether they are Socialist, Communist or Fascist. It's a way to try to unify their country under centralized power and grant themselves legitimacy over their domain. Cuba, North Korea, Yugoslavia, Nazi-Germany, Soviet Union, East Germany, Mussolini, present-day Russia, Venezuela.

They all say the same bullshit...we are for the peope and the peope are the greatest, who honestly cares if those people are the Volk, the Workers, the Revolutionaries etc etc

It says Communism, not Socialism. The reason being is that Communism is seen as un-nationalistic and weak in power, in theory.

However, ideologically, there is hardly a difference between Nazism (or Fascism pure, whatever you'd like) and Authoritarian Socialism.

Even more so because Fascism does not have to be racist or 'evil'.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif

Maybe this can help clear it up for you, Socialism in the modern sense would represent something close to Ghandi...

Maybe this can help clear it up for you, Socialism in the modern sense would represent something close to Ghandi...

Well in the real-life sense, Socialism has generally been highly Authoritarian, hence why I said Authoritarian Socialism, which you skimmed over.

If we are talking about historical things that existed in reality, then we discuss them realistically and compare them with realistic comparisons.

Well in the real-life sense, Socialism has generally been highly Authoritarian, hence why I said Authoritarian Socialism, which you skimmed over.
Sure, but there's a big difference between noting the totalitarian similarities between fascism and authoritarian state-socialism, and implying, as Mitanni and 1010102 obviously are, that all socialist ideology is akin to (NSDAP) fascism.

Fuck the Party, in whatever guise it rears its ugly head.

Good sir, I have never been so insulted in my life, except when I have been called a 'Conservative' before! I'll have you know I despise those dirty fools who have a 'V' in their names!

Oh, and I'm a Libertarian, so HA!:p

You mean the so-called Libertarians, the people who are anti-big government and pro-individual liberty that doesn't include gay rights, pro-choice, or other hot button individual liberties.

Sure, but there's a big difference between noting the totalitarian similarities between fascism and authoritarian state-socialism, and implying, as Mitanni and 1010102 obviously are, that all socialist ideology is akin to (NSDAP) fascism.

Fuck the Party, in whatever guise it rears its ugly head.
I would say that Fascism/Nazism = authoritarian SOCIALISM but Socialism as a concept does not have to come out as Fascism/Nazism, though usually in reality it does comes out Authoritarian and thus, similar to Fascism/Nazism.

Fair?

Sure, but there's a big difference between noting the totalitarian similarities between fascism and authoritarian state-socialism, and implying, as Mitanni and 1010102 obviously are, that all socialist ideology is akin to (NSDAP) fascism.

Fuck the Party, in whatever guise it rears its ugly head.

^^^This exactly...Im just saying that Hitler was not Socialist at all in the current sense, especially not the version that is currently being employed in the United States..

^^^This exactly...Im just saying that Hitler was not Socialist at all in the current sense, especially not the version that is currently being employed in the United States..
Hitler was an Authoritarian Socialist. As was Mussolini.

Hitler was an Authoritarian Socialist. As was Mussolini.

Authoritarian Nationalist (i.e Fascism)...Stalin was Authoritarian Socialist...did you not even look at the chart? Honestly...

Authoritarian Nationalist (i.e Fascism)...Stalin was Authoritarian Socialist...did you not even look at the chart? Honestly...
You're making a rather large error here if you don't believe one can be Authoritarian, Nationalist and Socialist.....which is what Hitler was.....Stalin was also Authoritarian, Nationalist (or will you argue that?) and much more far left on economic policy, aka Communist.

I would say that Fascism/Nazism = authoritarian SOCIALISM but Socialism as a concept does not have to come out as Fascism/Nazism, though usually in reality it does comes out Authoritarian and thus, similar to Fascism/Nazism.

Fair?
Kinda.

There's aspects of fascist state-control of industries, etc., that can't really be described as socialistic, and note that fascism doesn't really give two hoots about class in the way socialism does (or should do). Further, you don't get many socialist states, no matter their stripe, focusing as much attention on nationhood as fascism does; tending, as they do, to focus on international socialistic efforts.

I'd agree that 'vanguard'-led socialism has a nasty habit of turning into a big authoritarian mess; I'd go so far as to say that it's inevitable that if one removes capitalism but leaves a strong state, totalitarian power structures will emerge. But I think there's key differences between this and fascism, and good reason to separate the two; if only ideologically, not practically.

Kinda.

There's aspects of fascist state-control of industries, etc., that can't really be described as socialistic, and note that fascism doesn't really give two hoots about class in the way socialism does (or should do). Further, you don't get many socialist states, no matter their stripe, focusing as much attention on nationhood as fascism does; tending, as they do, to focus on international socialistic efforts.

I'd agree that 'vanguard'-led socialism has a nasty habit of turning into a big authoritarian mess; I'd go so far as to say that it's inevitable that if one removes capitalism but leaves a strong state, totalitarian power structures will emerge. But I think there's key differences between this and fascism, and good reason to separate the two; if only ideologically, not practically.

This^.

Facism and socialism are different animals. They have many similarities, but they are not the same. The Nazis were facist. They were not necissarially socialist.

Regardless however, they were ultra-right wing, which is what NM was in a manner trying to deflect.

You're making a rather large error here if you don't believe one can be Authoritarian, Nationalist and Socialist.....which is what Hitler was.....Stalin was also Authoritarian, Nationalist (or will you argue that?) and much more far left on economic policy, aka Communist.
They CAN be, but the key word there is can...Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini's ideals are nowhere near the 'Socialism' thats being advanced in the United States in any way shape or form....which is what the poster i was replying to was implying...

Regardless however, they were ultra-right wing...
Depends what you mean by 'right'.

If you're using it in the economic sense, in the way, for example, we often do when comparing political compass scores, then it's hard to make the case that (NSDAP) fascism is right-wing, for it has little to do with economic 'freedom'.

It's just you.

Kinda.

There's aspects of fascist state-control of industries, etc., that can't really be described as socialistic, and note that fascism doesn't really give two hoots about class in the way socialism does (or should do). Further, you don't get many socialist states, no matter their stripe, focusing as much attention on nationhood as fascism does; tending, as they do, to focus on international socialistic efforts.

I'd agree that 'vanguard'-led socialism has a nasty habit of turning into a big authoritarian mess; I'd go so far as to say that it's inevitable that if one removes capitalism but leaves a strong state, totalitarian power structures will emerge. But I think there's key differences between this and fascism, and good reason to separate the two; if only ideologically, not practically.
A fair point, but I'd make a point that left Authoritarian regimes make all the same noise about "their people" as right-authoritarians tend to, even if you can find some regimes like the Nazis who are over-extreme about it. However, we must remember that it was war in Europe so almost every country was super nationalistic at the time.

Soviet Union, Cuba, NK, China, East German, Venezuela etc all try to make their case of legitimacy by claiming they represent their glorious, revolutionary peope....and then go on to re-name things quite ridiculously, "the people's park"...etc and nationalizing industry to bring it under the control of their people and out of the control of foreigners.

I'd argue that the main point of Authoritarian Socialism and Fascism is not very different: Economy is under control by government "for the people...volk, worker...etc" and is to answer to government. Also. state authority is supreme and both call for community and collectivity over individualism. Fascism also seeks to wipe out the capitalist class-system, too, you know.
This^.

Facism and socialism are different animals. They have many similarities, but they are not the same. The Nazis were facist. They were not necissarially socialist.

Regardless however, they were ultra-right wing, which is what NM was in a manner trying to deflect.
I'd say a better example of ultra right (in some sense..I don't want to get into political teminology again:p) would be Singapore or what Pinochet was doing to Chile, etc. Free-Market economics but Authoritarian.
They CAN be, but the key word there is can...Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini's ideals are nowhere near the 'Socialism' thats being advanced in the United States in any way shape or form....which is what the poster i was replying to was implying...
I didn't say that. . . but we left that debate long in the dust. :p

I would say that Fascism/Nazism = authoritarian SOCIALISM but Socialism as a concept does not have to come out as Fascism/Nazism, though usually in reality it does comes out Authoritarian and thus, similar to Fascism/Nazism.

Fair?

I would go for authoritarian nationalism. The key factor about Fascist movements is their belief in the absolute supremacy of the state, and in the leader as the embodiment of the state - see "Mussolini is always right". Indeed, they are fundamentally incompatible with socialism: fascism is about action and force, and is explicitly anti-intellectual; fascism believes in people being fundamentally unequal, the elite are superior to the masses; and so on.

Two things tend to confuse the issue. First is the name of the Nazi party as the National Socialists. This was, quite simply, for votes. Key to fascism was an attempt to get popular support for their totalitarian state - bringing the masses on board with the promise of some semblance of socialism was a good way to help this, in the European climate of the thirties.

Secondly we have the relatively anti-free-market policies enacted by fascist regimes. However, it is useful to note how workers rights were destroyed in both Italy and Germany: unions were outlawed, strikes were forbidden, pay was slashed. Fascist economic policy is the result of a totalitarian worldview - every part of society must be subservient to the interests of the state, and all forms of social organisation and cohesion must be brought under the umbrella of the state or destroyed. It is not the result of a socialist view that the oppression of the workers by capital must be ended.

Hence we can argue that any semblances of socialism in fascism are merely incidental - the philosophical differences between the two are fundamentally incompatible. Unless, of course, one defined any intervention in the free market as socialism, but while that may be popular in the USA, it isn't very useful when discussing political systems.

NSG:G has been changing over the years. I remember times when Generalites would stage raids on the mod cave, where the Paradise club would often be on the front page, where spammy threads would not result in posters running to the mods but instead would be joining in the fun.

I remember a time when the greatest lament was the lack of word games and the posters would spend their time trying to sneak one past the mods.

I remember a time when the mods would frequent the spammy threads, not to close them down but to join in the chuckles. and the Forums were ruled by the Rejected Royalty...

yeah, NSG:G has changed alot.

This^.

Facism and socialism are different animals. They have many similarities, but they are not the same. The Nazis were facist. They were not necissarially socialist.

Fascism and socialism are not very different. Fascism is socialism and redistributionism for the rich.

I would go for authoritarian nationalism. The key factor about Fascist movements is their belief in the absolute supremacy of the state, and in the leader as the embodiment of the state - see "Mussolini is always right". Indeed, they are fundamentally incompatible with socialism: fascism is about action and force, and is explicitly anti-intellectual; fascism believes in people being fundamentally unequal, the elite are superior to the masses; and so on.

Two things tend to confuse the issue. First is the name of the Nazi party as the National Socialists. This was, quite simply, for votes. Key to fascism was an attempt to get popular support for their totalitarian state - bringing the masses on board with the promise of some semblance of socialism was a good way to help this, in the European climate of the thirties.

Secondly we have the relatively anti-free-market policies enacted by fascist regimes. However, it is useful to note how workers rights were destroyed in both Italy and Germany: unions were outlawed, strikes were forbidden, pay was slashed. Fascist economic policy is the result of a totalitarian worldview - every part of society must be subservient to the interests of the state, and all forms of social organisation and cohesion must be brought under the umbrella of the state or destroyed. It is not the result of a socialist view that the oppression of the workers by capital must be ended.

Hence we can argue that any semblances of socialism in fascism are merely incidental - the philosophical differences between the two are fundamentally incompatible. Unless, of course, one defined any intervention in the free market as socialism, but while that may be popular in the USA, it isn't very useful when discussing political systems.

Well, the problem with your post was I explicitly stated I care not for how these ideologies are, in theory, but rather how they have been applied in reality.

Found it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14603057&postcount=146

Hence we can argue that any semblances of socialism in fascism are merely incidental - the philosophical differences between the two are fundamentally incompatible.

That's like refusing to see parallels between extremist Islam and extremist KKK Christianity because Islam and Christianity are "philosophically fundamentally incompatible".

Well, the problem with your post was I explicitly stated I care not for how these ideologies are, in theory, but rather how they have been applied in reality.

Found it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14603057&postcount=146

The problem with that approach is when you come across Socialists who abhor the practices of the aforementioned dictators, and you say that they are in the same camp...

Fascism and socialism are not very different. Fascism is socialism and redistributionism for the rich.

Snappy, but flawed. Fascism is what happens when the entire nation is run for the good of the state, and the leader as the embodiment of the state.

Well, the problem with your post was I explicitly stated I care not for how these ideologies are, in theory, but rather how they have been applied in reality.

Found it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14603057&postcount=146

Fortunately for you, I pointed to practical results of fascism which were explicitly non-socialist, namely the complete destruction of any semblance of workers rights or class consciousness on the part of the workers. Especially considering that socialism and communism were broadly synonymous at the time, this demonstrates clearly that fascism is not merely authoritarian socialism, but is quite a different beast.

The problem with that approach is when you come across Socialists who abhor the practices of the aforementioned dictators, and you say that they are in the same camp...
No. I said applied Socialism by the regime becomes Authoritarian Socialism.

Not a kid on his computer beleiving in socialistic equality.

(not meant personally...but contrasting to my real point...about the state)

That's like refusing to see parallels between extremist Islam and extremist KKK Christianity because Islam and Christianity are "philosophically fundamentally incompatible".

Not particularly - when one ideology says "some people are better than others, and most can only be led" and another says "all people are equal" it is fairly easy to say they are different. Furthermore, I pointed to practical differences as well as philosophical ones - where socialists defend the rights of workers, fascists destroy them.

Snappy, but flawed. Fascism is what happens when the entire nation is run for the good of the state, and the leader as the embodiment of the state.

Socialism is also what happens when the entire nation is run for the good of the state, with the "people" as the embodiment of the state rather than the "Fuhrer" or "Volk" or whatnot. The figurehead of the state may be different but the resulting economic disaster is invariable.

Not particularly - when one ideology says "some people are better than others, and most can only be led" and another says "all people are equal" it is fairly easy to say they are different. Furthermore, I pointed to practical differences as well as philosophical ones - where socialists defend the rights of workers, fascists destroy them.

Actually you have it perfectly backwards. The two sides may claim irreconcilable philosophical differences but the practical results are in fact the same- impoverishment of the masses.

A fair point, but I'd make a point that left Authoritarian regimes make all the same noise about "their people" as right-authoritarians tend to, even if you can find some regimes like the Nazis who are over-extreme about it...

I'd argue that the main point of Authoritarian Socialism and Fascism is not very different: Economy is under control by government "for the people...volk, worker...etc" and is to answer to government. Also. state authority is supreme and both call for community and collectivity over individualism. Fascism also seeks to wipe out the capitalist class-system, too, you know.
But not in favour of one class.

And that's the key. Ideologically, they're quite different.

You're correct in pointing out that the end-results are similar, but that ideology is important, and I don't think it can be discounted.

UNIverseVERSE makes good points on this.


That's like refusing to see parallels between extremist Islam and extremist KKK Christianity because Islam and Christianity are "philosophically fundamentally incompatible".
It's not refusing to see parallels, it's noting differences.

There are differences between authoritarian socialism and fascism, just as there are differences between fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. Lumping the two together in anything but the widest of sets is foolish.


NSG:G has been changing over the years. I remember times when Generalites would stage raids on the mod cave...
Or the Generalite invasion of the RP forums.

Fun times.

Snappy, but flawed. Fascism is what happens when the entire nation is run for the good of the state, and the leader as the embodiment of the state.
Applied Fascism is: the state must be strong and totally in control so the people can be strong.

Applied Socialism is: the state must be strong and totally in control so the people can be equal.


When applied, both suck except Fascim is more efficient.

Fortunately for you, I pointed to practical results of fascism which were explicitly non-socialist, namely the complete destruction of any semblance of workers rights or class consciousness on the part of the workers.
Authoritarian Socialism had similar results with Fascist or right-authoritarian regimes (yet not fascist). The rich elite/cronies of the head of the party profited off all-empowering the state in Cuba, NK, CH, Soviet Union, Easern Block countries, Angola....etc

while the rich elite/cronies of the head of the party profited off all-empowering the state in Germany, Spain, Italy, etc etc

Actually you have it perfectly backwards. The two sides may claim irreconcilable philosophical differences but the practical results are in fact the same- impoverishment of the masses.

Socialism is also what happens when the entire nation is run for the good of the state, with the "people" as the embodiment of the state rather than the "Fuhrer" or "Volk" or whatnot. The figurehead of the state may be different but the resulting economic disaster is invariable.

This.

Economic disaster and all-powerful state that gives two shits about Individualism and rights.

No. I said applied Socialism by the regime becomes Authoritarian Socialism.

Not a kid on his computer beleiving in socialistic equality.

(not meant personally...but contrasting to my real point...about the state)
Thats not true at all though...

I point you to the Labour Party of the United Kingdom
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)#Party_ideology)

As an example of this...

The Party grew out of the trade union movement and socialist political parties of the 19th century, and continues to describe itself as a "democratic socialist party".

Applied Socialism is: the state must be strong and totally in control so the people can be equal.
Not at all.

'Applied socialism' is just that the means of production must be in the hands of the workers. The state doesn't necessarily come into play here; hence, anarcho-communism/libertarian socialism.

Authoritarian Socialism had similar results with Fascist or right-authoritarian regimes (yet not fascist).
Similar results doesn't mean two things are the same.

Thats not true at all though...

I point you to the Labour Party of the United Kingdom
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)#Party_ideology)

As an example of this...

Democratic-Socialism or Social-Democracy is not the same as applied Socialism.

Democratic Socialism seess to make itself the ideology of the center, in that it for a strong state, but not too strong and still with political freedom, individualism...but still quite a bit of collectivism and capitalism, but with a 'healthy' (in their words) dosage of State oversight/control.

Social Democratic countries are often compared with Liberal Democracies. The former being Germany, Austria, Denmark...etc, and the latter being US, UK, Canada, Australia...etc

I wonder if this change truly matters...

Democratic-Socialism or Social-Democracy is not the same as applied Socialism.
The label 'applied Socialism', as used by yourself, is just off.

You're begging the question of what socialism, applied, looks like/will look like.

The label 'applied Socialism', as used by yourself, is just off.

You're begging the question of what socialism, applied, looks like/will look like.
Venezuela under Chavez or what Allende was doing to Chile are good examples of all out, large state, Socialism.

Venezuela under Chavez or what Allende was doing to Chile are perfect examples of all out, large state, Socialism.

Ay no no no. Aqui vamos otra vez.

Venezuela under Chavez or what Allende was doing to Chile are good examples of all out, large state, Socialism.
I wouldn't disagree.

But this is quite different from 'applied Socialism', as socialism can be 'applied' without a big state.

Also, arguing about socialism: another sign that NSG hasn't changed that much. :P

Ay no no no. Aqui vamos otra vez.
No don't worry. . . I'm not feeling well and don't have the energy.
I wouldn't disagree.

But this is quite different from 'applied Socialism', as socialism can be 'applied' without a big state.

Also, arguing about socialism: another sign that NSG hasn't changed that much. :P
I'd ask where Socialism (not Social-Democracy which is much more center than Socialism) has been applied without a large and powerful state?

I'm not saying it can't be, in theory. I'm saying in reality, where has it?


Hehe...nah it hasn't changed much, maybe a bit more Leftist though :wink:

Ok...I'm not feeling well, I'll check back here later and give another reply or so if Heikoku hasn't gotten me banned yet on his personal quest. :p

Fascism and socialism are not very different. Fascism is socialism and redistributionism for the rich.

Which is a pretty big difference, considering one of the core values of socialism...

I'd ask where Socialism (not Social-Democracy which is much more center than Socialism) has been applied without a large and powerful state?


Social democracy leads to socialism.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5581225.ece

Across the whole of the UK, 49% of the economy will consist of state spending, while in Wales, the figure will be 71.6% – up from 59% in 2004-5. Nowhere in mainland Britain, however, comes close to Northern Ireland, where the state is responsible for 77.6% of spending, despite the supposed resurgence of the economy after the end of the Troubles.

It's sort of amusing how people claim that the "Anglo-Saxon free market" caused our current economic crisis when government spending as percentage of GDP has gone up dramatically in both UK and US during the Bush-Blair years.

Social democracy leads to socialism.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5581225.ece



It's sort of amusing how people claim that the "Anglo-Saxon free market" caused our current economic crisis when government spending as percentage of GDP has gone up dramatically in both UK and US during the Bush-Blair years.

Your evidence does not support your premis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

I'm assuming that will suffice.

Your evidence does not support your premis.

How so?

I'd ask where Socialism (not Social-Democracy which is much more center than Socialism) has been applied without a large and powerful state?
In the various communes around the world; anarchist territory during the Spanish Civil War, et al.

Unless you want to concede that North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

But it is KoL, they just had elections didn't you see the footage?


:tongue:

A thread about whether or not NSG is changing or not goes off-topic to a debate about Socialism.

I think this shows that NSG hasn't changed all that much.

Speaking of off-topic, where's Lapse and Ferrous nowadays?

Speaking of off-topic, where's Lapse and Ferrous nowadays?Ferrous has been around in a few threads that I poke my nose in to. Not sure about Lapse.

Speaking of off-topic, where's Lapse and Ferrous nowadays?

Lapse converted to evangelical Christianity.

Speaking of off-topic, where's Lapse and Ferrous nowadays?

FeO is still around recently. Don't know what happened to Lapse haven't seen him for awhile he hasn't even posted anything on the Forum7 threads. I dare say he is busy with work and/or uni.

He did move into a new house maybe it was a party house and he has been lying around either drunk or with a massive hangover.

Nazism = National Socialism. Not National Monarchy, National Fundamentalism, National Anarchism or National Free-Enterprise Capitalism. National Socialism.


So Navy Seals have flippers, eat only fish and can balance balls on their noses because they call themselves seals right? I think they let you out of special school a little too early after you got bitten by that radioactive moron.

Speaking of off-topic, where's Lapse and Ferrous nowadays?
well.. we sure didn't elope to Africa together. Yes, no eloping going on around here... return to your buisness.http://209.85.48.8/html/emoticons/unsure.gif
Lapse converted to evangelical Christianity.
Praise be to... Wait, who do Christians worship again?
FeO is still around recently. Don't know what happened to Lapse haven't seen him for awhile he hasn't even posted anything on the Forum7 threads. I dare say he is busy with work and/or uni.
This, plus I am currently cheating on you all with another forum!
He did move into a new house maybe it was a party house and he has been lying around either drunk or with a massive hangover.

Actually, It is more of an 'avoid weird old housemates' kind of house. My advice to you all is never move in with people significantly older than yourself. Less than a month till my lease ends! YAY

This, plus I am currently cheating on you all with another forum!

I thought you loved me, I trusted you. *starts crying*

Actually, It is more of an 'avoid weird old housemates' kind of house. My advice to you all is never move in with people significantly older than yourself. Less than a month till my lease ends! YAY

Another moving thread on the way then.

I thought you loved me, I trusted you. *starts crying*

Well you wouldn't let us have a threesome... what do you expect?:mad:

Another moving thread on the way then.
You bet ya!

Praise be to... Wait, who do Christians worship again?



Lapse your alive and not a brained washed Christian !!!

Well you wouldn't let us have a threesome... what do you expect?:mad:

You never respected me. :(


You bet ya!

Yes

Lapse your alive and not a brained washed Christian !!!
Would I be classed as alive if I were a brain washed Christian?
Is it possible to be a dead brain washed christian?
How about if I were not alive, but a zombie, and had eaten a christians brain?

Some may say yes.
Some may say no.
I say pass me a cat.
Because I want to try this new sport I saw the other day.
Crickat

You never respected me. :(

You never respected my need to have a threesome! or for that matter, a fivesome. (you did let me have that foursome, but that only happened once)