Nuclear Weapons: When One Has Control, What Happens?
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat gives you control over all of the world's nuclear weaponry, allowing you and only you to control them, through your thoughts or whatever.
What do you choose to do with such control?
As for me, my initial thoughts revolve around that old Orion spaceship design...the one where they used nuclear weaponry as a propulsion device.
Put them in orbit to deal with asteroids.
Well, after I vaporize Las Vegas.
The Orion is another idea.
Knights of Liberty
12-03-2009, 00:55
Your country, it blows up.
South Lorenya
12-03-2009, 00:55
I'd have the UN dismantle them. They're too dangerous to exist.
Risottia
12-03-2009, 00:56
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat gives you control over all of the world's nuclear weaponry, allowing you and only you to control them, through your thoughts or whatever.
What do you choose to do with such control?
I have about four orgasms, immediately, out of the sheer feeling of power.
Then I call about some 20 countries' governments and tell them they are to send me a selection of their finest wines, foods and women for free... or else. Btw, I'd be mightly disappointed if some NSGirl wouldn't make it into the selection.
Then I might call Obama and tell him that I want him to have the Shrub tried for criminal idiocy by a court made by NSGers only.
After that, I'll call Qaddafi, ask him for a bit of desert, have Berlusconi placed there and then fire a nuke on him.
Belarion
12-03-2009, 00:58
If you have the nuclear arsenal, you have the power to destroy the world. That makes you the most powerful person in the world, and no one can afford not to obey you.
So, I'd use that power to turn the world into my idea of utopia. Obvious, no?
Heinleinites
12-03-2009, 01:08
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat gives you control over all of the world's nuclear weaponry, allowing you and only you to control them, through your thoughts or whatever.
Of course, all someone has to do is shoot you and the Space Bat in the head and problem solved.
To answer the question, I'd do what any guy would do in my situation. I'd use it to try and get laid. (yes, I'm aware this is a generalization, feel free not to point that out like it's news) Either that or I'd try and shoot the moon with one. Why? Why not?
Galloism
12-03-2009, 01:11
I have about four orgasms, immediately, out of the sheer feeling of power.
Then I call about some 20 countries' governments and tell them they are to send me a selection of their finest wines, foods and women for free... or else. Btw, I'd be mightly disappointed if some NSGirl wouldn't make it into the selection.
Then I might call Obama and tell him that I want him to have the Shrub tried for criminal idiocy by a court made by NSGers only.
After that, I'll call Qaddafi, ask him for a bit of desert, have Berlusconi placed there and then fire a nuke on him.
Yeah, pretty much all that.
I'm not sure about the last paragraph, as I don't know who those people are, but I have no objection to it.
Heikoku 2
12-03-2009, 01:15
Send them all to one spot in Jupiter, so we could get to see the exact height of its clouds and so we'd be rid of them.
Risottia
12-03-2009, 01:16
I'm not sure about the last paragraph, as I don't know who those people are, but I have no objection to it.
Wiki is your friend.
Anyway, for short.
Qaddafi = a really cool guy who plays dictator of Libya from a tent in the desert surrounded by an all-female bodyguard corps.
Berlusconi = the horrid bandana-wearing UV-tanned psychodwarf serving as Italy's PM.
Galloism
12-03-2009, 01:17
Wiki is your friend.
Anyway, for short.
Qaddafi = a really cool guy who plays dictator of Libya from a tent in the desert surrounded by an all-female bodyguard corps.
Berlusconi = the horrid bandana-wearing UV-tanned psychodwarf serving as Italy's PM.
I like his style. :D
I use them to carve my name into the moon!
Galloism
12-03-2009, 01:22
Everyone who keeps saying moon, jupiter, sun, etc...
Are you aware that most nuclear missiles are not capable of breaking free of earth's gravitational field?
Skallvia
12-03-2009, 01:24
Well, my knee-jerk response was to immediately hold them for ransom, demanding a lifetime supply of money or something like that, lol...
But, after my logic circuits began working, I realized that the guilt, and fear that would come along with such a scheme really isnt worth it, so, Id probably just disable them...
There are other ways of ridding yourself of Asteroids...
Heikoku 2
12-03-2009, 01:25
Everyone who keeps saying moon, jupiter, sun, etc...
Are you aware that most nuclear missiles are not capable of breaking free of earth's gravitational field?
Of course not. :p
*Sighs*
Okay, fine. They'd be dismantled, their loads re-applied for energy use or, in cases in which that was impossible, shot into space with an unmanned craft.
Destination: Jupiter. :p
Your country, it blows up.
http://www.wiibitgeeky.com/wp-content/uploads/your-head-asplode.jpg
Peisandros
12-03-2009, 01:28
Of course, all someone has to do is shoot you and the Space Bat in the head and problem solved.
To answer the question, I'd do what any guy would do in my situation. I'd use it to try and get laid. (yes, I'm aware this is a generalization, feel free not to point that out like it's news) Either that or I'd try and shoot the moon with one. Why? Why not?
OMGZ! I soooo wouldn't do that, so your generalisation fails!!
Annyway. I don't think I would do much. Maybe sell the bastards, get some coin. Or do the 'right' thing and somehow dispose/disarm them.
Another possibility.. Trade one with America for a spaceship or something. Then give one to every other country in the world and chill in space to see what happens. If nothing happened, I'd get pissed off and crash my American space ship in to Beijing to get things started.
Skallvia
12-03-2009, 01:31
Another possibility.. Trade one with America for a spaceship or something.
I, for one, am Honored that out of all the other space programs out there, you would choose ours, lol...
Peisandros
12-03-2009, 01:35
I, for one, am Honored that out of all the other space programs out there, you would choose ours, lol...
Heh.. Just had a lecture where the lecturer mentioned y'all a few times, fresh in my memory!
Geniasis
12-03-2009, 01:39
Dismantle them. Then I dismantle the Spacebat.
Sorry, I can't have him using his powers.
Heh.. Just had a lecture where the lecturer mentioned y'all a few times, fresh in my memory!
Our shuttles use state of the art technology. Circa 1975.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
12-03-2009, 01:56
I would rule the world with an iron fist.
At least, for the first few months. Eventually I'd get bored and settle for ruling a few television, movie and game production companies with an iron fist. I've got some ideas I'd like to try out, but I'm too lazy to actually start doing them myself.
After 10-20 years even that would get tedious, so I'd settle for ruling a small desert island populated by myself and a massive Book/music/DVD/rare VHS library. With an iron fist, of course.
Oh, I'd also make many of the reforms instated by the former Turkmenbashi Niyazov internationally applicable. Including:
Abolition of the death penalty
No facial hair allowed for men under the age of 25
Melon Day
The 12 months of the year would be renamed in honor of my family members. Except for August. August is such a terrible month that I'm going to name it "Boober," after the dumbass cat that my parent's owned and which kept scratching and biting me. Stupid cat.
Gold statues of myself to be built on revolving daises. These statues will revolve such that they will be constantly mooning (aka flashing it's bare buttocks) in the direction of the sun.
All people will be required to buy a large book consisting of my religious/philosophical/political rantings and poetry. The book shall be translated and priced such that anyone can possess a copy, and any household found not to contain a copy of my book shall be summarily nuked
Gauthier
12-03-2009, 01:59
I would rule the world with an iron fist.
At least, for the first few months. Eventually I'd get bored and settle for ruling a few television, movie and game production companies with an iron fist. I've got some ideas I'd like to try out, but I'm too lazy to actually start doing them myself.
After 10-20 years even that would get tedious, so I'd settle for ruling a small desert island populated by myself and a massive Book/music/DVD/rare VHS library. With an iron fist, of course.
Oh, I'd also make many of the reforms instated by the former Turkmenbashi Niyazov internationally applicable. Including:
Abolition of the death penalty
No facial hair allowed for men under the age of 25
Melon Day
The 12 months of the year would be renamed in honor of my family members. Except for August. August is such a terrible month that I'm going to name it "Boober," after the dumbass cat that my parent's owned and which kept scratching and biting me. Stupid cat.
Gold statues of myself to be built on revolving daises. These statues will revolve such that they will be constantly mooning (aka flashing it's bare buttocks) in the direction of the sun.
All people will be required to buy a large book consisting of my religious/philosophical/political rantings and poetry. The book shall be translated and priced such that anyone can possess a copy, and any household found not to contain a copy of my book shall be summarily nuked
So you're the reincarnation of L. Ron Hubbard then?
Skallvia
12-03-2009, 02:00
Dismantle them. Then I dismantle the Spacebat.
Sorry, I can't have him using his powers.
Man, before I read your post, i saw your avatar:eek: *shudders*...
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
12-03-2009, 02:12
So you're the reincarnation of L. Ron Hubbard then?
I'm much better than Hubbard. He wanted money; all I want is for a sizable portion of the world's population to have, at some point, flipped through my book in boredom. Maybe they'll comment on the fact that I rhymed "Table/able," or that my philosophical views are cribbed from Mr. Bungle lyrics and the dialogue of 60's and 70's horror movie dialogue.
greed and death
12-03-2009, 02:13
Nuke the Hippies.
Destination: Brazil. :p
fix'd
Peisandros
12-03-2009, 03:30
Our shuttles use state of the art technology. Circa 1975.
Excellent.
Sarkhaan
12-03-2009, 05:29
I'd nuke my neighbors back porch...that'll teach the fucker to argue with his girlfriend at 3 AM.
greed and death
12-03-2009, 05:32
I'd nuke my neighbors back porch...that'll teach the fucker to argue with his girlfriend at 3 AM.
i always wonder why do people go outside to argue ?
The Romulan Republic
12-03-2009, 05:35
I employ as many as possible in the space program, then destroy the rest. Too much risk of accidental launch or material being stolen, even if I wanted to force the rest of humanity to follow my world view through threat of anhialation (speaking of which, never threaten to use a WMD that you're not prepared to actually use). Aside from the use of such weapons being horribly unethical.
Question: if new ones are built, do I control them too?
Muravyets
12-03-2009, 05:37
Dismantle them, of course. I'm bitter and fed up with humanity and in no mood to play stupid power games. The nukes go bye-bye.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 05:45
Nuclear weapons are worth a lot of money -- some of them cost millions or billions of dollars.
The way I see it, I'd sell one or two until I had enough cash to retire and live out the rest of my days in luxury. Then I'd have the rest dismantled, and turned into nuclear power plants where possible. I'm not an idiot, after all, and world governments would be coming after me with bombers and aircraft carriers soon enough -- and I can't nuke them all without eventually either running out of nukes, or irradiating the planet.
Of course, I'd like to hold Earth for ransom, become king of the world, drill an Earth Army into shape, build hyperlight starships, wage war upon all of the other sapient species in the cosmos and eventually ascend to the position of Supreme Ruler of the Universe, having found a way to make myself immortal, but that's more of a long-term goal. Don't put the cart before the horse, etc.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 05:49
It makes one wonder though, how this control is given to you. Even if you are given the proverbial nuclear football, it doesn't change the fact that they are all sitting inside silos, carrier vehicles, bombers, armories and missile subs, all of which are crewed by people loyal to their respective countries. Pressing the red button won't do squat if they don't prep the missiles for launch, much less open the silo doors.
And even if you did have control of them too, what's to stop the local techs from simply disarming the damn things and restoring control?
Muravyets
12-03-2009, 05:51
It makes one wonder though, how this control is given to you. Even if you are given the proverbial nuclear football, it doesn't change the fact that they are all sitting inside silos, carrier vehicles, bombers, armories and missile subs, all of which are crewed by people loyal to their respective countries. Pressing the red button won't do squat if they don't prep the missiles for launch, much less open the silo doors.
And even if you did have control of them too, what's to stop the local techs from simply disarming the damn things and restoring control?
Duh, NAS, it's Space Bat magic.
Hydesland
12-03-2009, 05:52
Keep them, dismantling them would be pointless since countries like Russia and the USA could easily make more.
EDIT: I mean you never know, we may need to blast them at an asteroid or something.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 05:53
Duh, NAS, it's Space Bat magic.
Which most likely means the unlucky recipient is literally sitting on top of the worlds biggest and only stockpile of nuclear weapons. And has probably been upgraded to global enemy #1.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 05:54
It makes one wonder though, how this control is given to you. Even if you are given the proverbial nuclear football, it doesn't change the fact that they are all sitting inside silos, carrier vehicles, bombers, armories and missile subs, all of which are crewed by people loyal to their respective countries. Pressing the red button won't do squat if they don't prep the missiles for launch, much less open the silo doors.
And even if you did have control of them too, what's to stop the local techs from simply disarming the damn things and restoring control?
Presumably the Alien Space Bat can prep the missiles for launch, open the silo doors, cause the SSBNs to surface, etc., etc., through Alien Space Bat Telekinesis.
I'm surprised you didn't know about ASBTK. That's the kind of thing any prospective Ruler of the Universe should keep in mind at all times. I do hope you haven't been wasting all those campaign donations on beer and tortilla chips.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 05:55
Which most likely means the unlucky recipient is literally sitting on top of the worlds biggest and only stockpile of nuclear weapons. And has probably been upgraded to global enemy #1.
I mentioned this. That's why my plan was to sell a few of them, dismantle the rest, then quietly retire. After all, a few nukes ought to fetch a few billion on ebay, especially the megaton-yield MIRV types.
Muravyets
12-03-2009, 05:55
Which most likely means the unlucky recipient is literally sitting on top of the worlds biggest and only stockpile of nuclear weapons. And has probably been upgraded to global enemy #1.
Okay, sure. So with that being the assumed case, what would you do with the nukes?
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 05:57
I do hope you haven't been wasting all those campaign donations on beer and tortilla chips.
I don't drink, and I always found it better to invest in reliable and proven technologies, as well as loyal subordinates, than on the quirks of random spaceborne animals who might decide to take it away for the lulz.
Okay, sure. So with that being the assumed case, what would you do with the nukes?
It's tempting to write off humanity as a lost cause to begin with, and end it all, but there are hardly enough nukes to do that, and if push comes to shove, I probably wouldn't be able to do it anyway. Putting them on ebay would be amusing, but all that would do is make me an even more visible target, and I don't have a secret hideaway fortress from which to repel the forces of the world to retreat to just quite yet. I certainly don't have the technical expertise to dismantle them permanently either.
If I do want to make use of them though, I would have to move quickly, before anyone can react. First would be to rig a dead man switch to at least a few of the nukes. Being global enemy #1 is distinctly not conducive to long term health. Second would be a demonstration to the world that I'm not kidding. A high altitude airburst above hmmm, New York would work. There would be some electronic damage, but not too much, since it won't be above the magnetosphere.
Following this, I'd see if the Russians managed to implement some live FOBS missiles after all. If they have, put them in orbit now, and link them to the dead man switch for re-entry and detonation. Scattering the missiles into orbit is the best place to put them unless I have my own SSBNs.
Since we're on a roll here, I might as well keep an eye out for any US Naval assets on the move, notably fleets. There aren't any stationed too close by, but if any start to move in my direction, inform Washington that they have 15 minutes to turn them around or they go bye bye.
While I'm at it, I probably would have to make it known to the local authorities that storming my location would be a bad idea.
I might have a bit more, but all of this is just securing my position before any of the actual stupidity begins.
Then I'd probably do something stupid, like threaten to nuke all of Israel and Palestine into oblivion unless they do some serious peace deals. They have 24 hours to comply.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 06:05
I don't drink, and I always found it better to invest in reliable and proven technologies, as well as loyal subordinates, than on the quirks of random spaceborne animals who might decide to take it away for the lulz.
Ah yes, reliable and proven technologies, such as the working hyperdrive the Alien Space Bat gave my campaign the other day in exchange for the planet Neptune?
I'm looking forward to our second debate next week, especially considering how much I'll have gained in the polls due to the timely publicization of my deal! Mwahahahaha! MWAHAHAHA! ... er, sorry, I should probably save the evil laughter 'til after.
Barringtonia
12-03-2009, 06:09
Everyone who keeps saying moon, jupiter, sun, etc...
Are you aware that most nuclear missiles are not capable of breaking free of earth's gravitational field?
Alien Space Bat though...
I might take out the Alien Space Bat just to introduce it to the earthling sense of humour.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 06:12
Ah yes, reliable and proven technologies, such as the working hyperdrive the Alien Space Bat gave my campaign the other day in exchange for the planet Neptune?
I'm looking forward to our second debate next week, especially considering how much I'll have gained in the polls due to the timely publicization of my deal! Mwahahahaha! MWAHAHAHA! ... er, sorry, I should probably save the evil laughter 'til after.
The same hyperdrive that turned some seventeen kilometers of prime real estate into ash? That one? This is why I rely on proven technologies, or at least ones that come from vetted research labs.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 06:22
The same hyperdrive that turned some seventeen kilometers of prime real estate into ash? That one? This is why I rely on proven technologies, or at least ones that come from vetted research labs.
It was only sixteen and a half kilometers.... and think of all the prime real estate we'll have once we fit it to the generation ship we're constructing right now to seek out life-bearing planets! Anyway, I'm sure L.A. will recover admirably within a decade. It's not like they don't get huge forest fires down there all the time.
Dylsexic Untied
12-03-2009, 06:27
First, as for project Orion fans, find the book Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Very good, and they make that ship. But it also launches ICBMs. And rifle-fired Nukes (like Navy battleship guns). And they attach the space shuttles as nuke-carrying missile batteries.
I'd probably create a shadow government and then turn the world into a utopia. Then build the aforementioned project. For interplanetary defense. Just in case the space bat shows up intending harm. Only after I have built several of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rods_from_god) and put them into orbit. To ensure that the shadow government stays under my control. Oh, and they're working on this now. Google "rods from god."
Lord Tothe
12-03-2009, 06:27
I'd use 'em to write my name on the moon, and I'd finish the job - I can't believe Chairface allowed The Tick to interrupt his signature attempt.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
12-03-2009, 06:31
Which most likely means the unlucky recipient is literally sitting on top of the worlds biggest and only stockpile of nuclear weapons. And has probably been upgraded to global enemy #1.
A dead man's switch would take care of that, presumably.
I mentioned this. That's why my plan was to sell a few of them, dismantle the rest, then quietly retire. After all, a few nukes ought to fetch a few billion on ebay, especially the megaton-yield MIRV types.
Dismantle first, then sell the remainder when the price has gone up by a massive amount (on account of rarity and all that).
North Defese
12-03-2009, 06:40
Id nuke Mexico.
Then America would have to make our American flags in our own damn country.
Downside:
No more tacos :(
Heikoku 2
12-03-2009, 06:42
fix'd
I see.
You, somehow, think that's clever.
Interesting.
Pissarro
12-03-2009, 06:43
Id nuke Mexico.
Then America would have to make our American flags in our own damn country.
Downside:
No more tacos :(
Both Mexican and American flags are made in China
New Manvir
12-03-2009, 06:43
Hold the world hostage and become a real life comic book villain.
North Defese
12-03-2009, 06:45
then id nuke china and demand america grows some balls and drills for oil in Alaska.
The eco-hippies show you pictures of pristeen lakes and polar bears sleeping on icebergs, but they avoid mentioning the waste-lands that oil companies are wanting to drill.
Saint Clair Island
12-03-2009, 06:47
Dismantle first, then sell the remainder when the price has gone up by a massive amount (on account of rarity and all that).
Hmmm.
I like the way you think.
If I was suddenly given control of all nuclear weapons everywhere I would use this awesome power to make myself richer than God and punish anyone who had ever insulted me and anyone foolish enough to challenge my absolute rule of the planet. When you get right down to it there's nothing more to life than sex, drugs, music, and killin'.
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat gives you control over all of the world's nuclear weaponry, allowing you and only you to control them, through your thoughts or whatever.
What do you choose to do with such control?
As for me, my initial thoughts revolve around that old Orion spaceship design...the one where they used nuclear weaponry as a propulsion device.
Step 1: Assuming this Space Bat has the ability, I wire all the nukes to go off if I die of non-natural causes...I then have Space Bat move one large nuke into a long-forgotten corner of the subway/sewer system of every world capital, along with numerous other cities which are larger than their respective nation's capitals. The rest of the nukes go into orbit.
Step 2: Blackmail world...basically, I don't want to have to use money anymore...just give me what I want, and we're good.
I then move to Espiritu Santo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espiritu_Santo), build my palace, and throw lavish parties...
...you're all invited, just take off your shoes before entering plz, kthanx.
Tubbsalot
12-03-2009, 07:25
I'd use the nukes to push the admirable parts of the Western agenda in an attempt to decrease the influence of loose cannons like Iran and create a better life for all.
Frankly it's a little worrying that I'm alone in this ambition.
Duh, NAS, it's Space Bat magic.
Yeah, basically the idea was a thought experiment, not to attempt to take it apart.
Yootopia
12-03-2009, 07:34
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat gives you control over all of the world's nuclear weaponry, allowing you and only you to control them, through your thoughts or whatever.
What do you choose to do with such control?
Give them back to their rightful owners, to restore the previous balance of power.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 07:45
Yeah, basically the idea was a thought experiment, not to attempt to take it apart.
And that was the thought experiment. You said control of the worlds nukes, and so there you had it. You didn't say control over anything else, which meant I had to work with what was on hand.
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 09:30
Transfer all of them to Antarctica and declare the Pax Dododecapoda - anyone starts a war, they get nuked to oblivion.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 09:38
Transfer all of them to Antarctica and declare the Pax Dododecapoda - anyone starts a war, they get nuked to oblivion.
So what if the first war happens on your turf then? It's not like the last 40 odd years of nuclear brinkmanship haven't been about preventing nukes on landing or blowing them up before they launch while making yours proof against the above.
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 09:43
So what if the first war happens on your turf then? It's not like the last 40 odd years of nuclear brinkmanship haven't been about preventing nukes on landing or blowing them up before they launch while making yours proof against the above.
That's the point of being in Antarctica. I can see any attackers coming and nuke them before they get here.
Linker Niederrhein
12-03-2009, 09:54
Start a thread 'In which city do you live?' on this forum.
Korintar
12-03-2009, 10:01
I would 'deal' with certain foreign policy thorns in my side...Grow up or else *finger on red button*! Just use your imagination as to what nations I may be referring to...*evil laughter*
Although, I might then do what you guys have mentioned...dismantle them. Or use them as bargaining chip to put Darth Cheney, shrub-boy, AhmeD---nejad, Kim Jong Il, and Rove on a little field trip to either the sun or to Gleise 581c...take your pick. After that I have two choices:
1)sell/dismantle them- retire to own little sanctum of solitude.
2)keep 'em- threat of force may be useful in convincing the powers that be to step down, so a global Christian socialist democracy can be established. Then do No. 1, ftw!
Yootopia
12-03-2009, 10:05
a global Christian socialist democracy can be established.
Your nuclear dictatorship is a shower of shite.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 10:52
That's the point of being in Antarctica. I can see any attackers coming and nuke them before they get here.
You'd have a hard time seeing stealth bombers, or for that matter, most special ops kill teams.
Conserative Morality
12-03-2009, 11:18
Tie them all together and send em out to Jupiter.
But not before I make my demands:
Palestine is to be evacuated, so I can nuke it and defeat the problem already.
The Bush is to be tried for Warcrimes.
North Korea is to hold an actual democratic election, overseen by the UN.
Russia is to hand me Putin's head on a silver platter. For no reason.
Finland is to give me a bunch of their musical CDs.
France must surrender to my might.
Italy has to send me a bunch of guns. And bread.
The USA will have to legalize all the guns and/or bread I get from Italy.
Japan must... Erm... Can't think of a way to stop anime, so my plan is pretty much screwed there. Give me a chance to participate in Ninja Warrior? *shrugs*
China has to make their new motto: "We oppress people and get away with it, because we make cheap toys!" Or something along those lines.
I must get a home theatre, and a copy of the Watchmen movie BY ALAN MOORE HIMSELF.
And finally, India must make a job requirement for everyone working in an overseas Technical Help department SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH!
German Nightmare
12-03-2009, 11:20
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/KaffePC.gif
"Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?"
"Later. Right now lets play Global Thermonuclear War."
"Fine."
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 11:33
You'd have a hard time seeing stealth bombers, or for that matter, most special ops kill teams.
Heh. No, I wouldn't actually.
Stealth Bombers have serious problems with extreme cold - one of which is that the Cobalt-Ball paint starts to fracture at -50C. And Spec Ops teams need insertion vectors - they'd need to get within a few dozen miles to have much of a chance of reaching my base alive, in that environment.
But yeah, they might work. The question would be, would any nation risk it? The cost of failure, after all, is very high. And all I'm saying is "no wars".
Tubbsalot
12-03-2009, 11:34
"Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?"
"Later. Right now lets play Global Thermonuclear War."
"Fine."
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1313
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 12:32
Heh. No, I wouldn't actually.
Stealth Bombers have serious problems with extreme cold - one of which is that the Cobalt-Ball paint starts to fracture at -50C. And Spec Ops teams need insertion vectors - they'd need to get within a few dozen miles to have much of a chance of reaching my base alive, in that environment.
I'll give you the possibility of stealth bombers becoming less effective in extreme cold, but where would you get the high performance radar gear? And putting that aside, I would wager that most superpowers have spec ops teams who trained for that kind of environment.
But yeah, they might work. The question would be, would any nation risk it? The cost of failure, after all, is very high. And all I'm saying is "no wars".
Never underestimate the human propensity for fighting, even when the stakes are high. Besides, the leaders will probably be sitting somewhere in their nice, safe, nuclear hardened bunkers or in EMP shielded jets when they decide to roll the dice.
Even people who supposedly think of the welfare of their people won't mind stamping over other people they could beat if it meant better stuff for them.
find a solar system which has no habitable planets and launch them into its sun as a safe and perminent means of their disposal.
Yootopia
12-03-2009, 12:39
find a solar system which has no habitable planets and launch them into its sun as a safe and perminent means of their disposal.
They'd just build more -_-
They'd just build more -_-
they is us, and the day WILL come, when we has learned better, one hard way or another.
Okay, so, here's a thought experiment. Let's say an Alien Space Bat ...
Best. Thought experiment. Ever.
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 12:45
find a solar system which has no habitable planets and launch them into its sun as a safe and perminent means of their disposal.
Waste of resources. Just dismantle them and use 'em for nice, safe reactors.
Anyway, if you want them incinerated, just dump them into OUR sun. Every nuke ever created on earth is no more than a tiny fraction of the energy the sun radiates every microsecond.
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 12:59
Waste of resources. Just dismantle them and use 'em for nice, safe reactors.
Anyway, if you want them incinerated, just dump them into OUR sun. Every nuke ever created on earth is no more than a tiny fraction of the energy the sun radiates every microsecond.
They'll never get that far though, since none of the rockets have the fuel necessary to even get out of Earth orbit.
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 13:04
They'll never get that far though, since none of the rockets have the fuel necessary to even get out of Earth orbit.
Even better point!
Sdaeriji
12-03-2009, 13:24
Start a thread 'In which city do you live?' on this forum.
/thread
Non Aligned States
12-03-2009, 13:43
Even better point!
They'll just come right back down you realize? I doubt any of them were built to be able to achieve even graveyard orbit.
Korintar
12-03-2009, 15:43
Your nuclear dictatorship is a shower of shite.
What part(s) may I ask?
Dododecapod
12-03-2009, 17:17
They'll just come right back down you realize? I doubt any of them were built to be able to achieve even graveyard orbit.
No, aside from the Minuteman III and the SS-20 (they can make low orbit) they're all suborbital. I just meant it was an even better point why not to try it.
Salothczaar
12-03-2009, 17:43
Give one to every country, then laugh as they all try to intimidate eachother with their one nuke, even though they cannot use them at all.
Heinleinites
12-03-2009, 21:58
Are you aware that most nuclear missiles are not capable of breaking free of earth's gravitational field?
Given that the thread started with the phrase 'An Alien Space Bat gives you sole control of the world's nuclear arsenal...' I think the logic ship has sailed
Given that the thread started with the phrase 'An Alien Space Bat gives you sole control of the world's nuclear arsenal...' I think the logic ship has sailed
Not necessarily. Control over nuclear weapons does not imbue the weapons with the magical power to exceed their capabilities.
The basic idea was a thought experiment on what you would do if you had control over nuclear weaponry all by yourself. The method by which you gain the control is irrelevant.
Fnordgasm 5
12-03-2009, 22:18
Finally.. A way to put a stop to global warming and overpopulation at the same time!
How long do nuclear winters last anyway?
Dumb Ideologies
12-03-2009, 22:50
I'd sit in a secret bunker, communicating the demands I have to each country on changing their social, economic, and foreign policies as I see fit. Any state disagrees...MASSIVE EXPLOSION.
I'm in ur n00klea compooturz, controllin ur policiez. GLOBAL PWNIN 4 DA LULZ!
Tmutarakhan
12-03-2009, 22:53
There are other ways of ridding yourself of Asteroids...
Preparation A?
Non Aligned States
13-03-2009, 01:26
Not necessarily. Control over nuclear weapons does not imbue the weapons with the magical power to exceed their capabilities.
The basic idea was a thought experiment on what you would do if you had control over nuclear weaponry all by yourself. The method by which you gain the control is irrelevant.
And being in control of them now doesn't mean you get to keep that control in perpetuity either. That's why I pointed out the problems of them being in the hands of those who aren't exactly happy with physically giving them out to some unknown on NSG.
Dylsexic Untied
13-03-2009, 08:22
And being in control of them now doesn't mean you get to keep that control in perpetuity either. That's why I pointed out the problems of them being in the hands of those who aren't exactly happy with physically giving them out to some unknown on NSG.
Not to mention so far most of us chose to purely use them for blackmail. And if you really were worried about black ops teams, Blackwater, I mean Xe, is always looking for money...
Boonytopia
14-03-2009, 06:00
Dismantle them.
Risottia
14-03-2009, 10:57
Dismantle them.
Wait.
You order someone else to dismantle them, or do you do it all by yourself?
;)
Risottia
14-03-2009, 10:59
Not to mention so far most of us chose to purely use them for blackmail.
We nuclear powers call it "deterrent". "Blackmail" is a thing petty criminals do. We "deter".
Seesh. B)
Trollgaard
15-03-2009, 07:10
Press the red button and send humanity back to the stone age.