NationStates Jolt Archive


College.

Banuta
11-03-2009, 06:12
I am currently a sophomore in high school, and am thinking about where I want too go too college. I know what I want too be, a Doctor. I understand that I have too major in biology. One problem, I really hate my country (America). I want too find the perfect area for me too study and live. I'm considering Germany do too it being fairly easier, seeing as I am a dual-citizen, (American, and Germany).

I think I may fit perfectly their, assuming I can crash course learn German in the next two years. I understand that I cannot come back too united states if I wanted too, and practice medicine there. My Opa was in the same situation when he immigrated, though he was still able too do research, as he was brought into the united states too do such a thing. (He actually discovered a bacteria in the red sea that photosynthesis's without chlorophyll!)

It just seems so perfect, did I mention I'm pasty white? I got a sunburn today because I was in the sun during PE, stupid California.

But I do also consider Russia a possibility, do too the climate. Does anyone know if the degree's would transfer over from Germany too Russia?

Also, any specific college's would be great, if there are good one's.
Ryadn
11-03-2009, 06:16
...

I might cry.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 06:25
Come to NZ -- Otago University.
Pope Lando II
11-03-2009, 06:29
...

I might cry.

I could see it if his dream was to become a great writer. I know a veterinarian who's practically illiterate, but he does good work. Let the little feller be.

As to schools, you won't do better than Southwestern Missouri State, according to a guy I know who went there. So, go there.
Lackadaisical2
11-03-2009, 06:29
I can see why you don't like America, with the English and all, but why do you think Germany or Russia would be any better?

also, what the fuck is an Opa? some weird name for a grandfather?
greed and death
11-03-2009, 06:29
unless your over there I doubt you can crash course German in two years enough for college.
Try Canada, Aus, NZ, or the UK. Or get your degree here, because once you have an MD you can write your own ticket anywhere in the world.
Ryadn
11-03-2009, 06:30
I can see why you don't like America, with the English and all, but why do you think Germany or Russia would be any better?

also, what the fuck is an Opa? some weird name for a grandfather?

German for grandfather. We used to call my grandmother Oma.
Ryadn
11-03-2009, 06:32
I could see it if his dream was to become a great writer. I know a veterinarian who's practically illiterate, but he does good work. Let the little feller be.

That's why I tried not to be a jerk. But it hurt. :(
greed and death
11-03-2009, 06:39
Also when talking to a Friend of mine who's mom works at a German Embassy, German colleges are very picky when taking American High school graduates.
So unless you go to an elite private school or one of the top magnet(what ever the other states call them) schools you might have a hard time getting in a German(or any EU) University, especially one with a decent acceptance rate into med school.

Might be more realistic to go to undergraduate in the US dual major in biology and German, spending a year in Germany, then look to grade school in Germany.
Sarkhaan
11-03-2009, 06:40
*sigh*...fine. I'll follow Lando and Ryadn's lead.

You don't have to major in biology, or any science, to be a doctor (this is true in the US...not sure about any other country).
greed and death
11-03-2009, 06:42
Step 1 to becoming a doctor: Learn the difference between "There", "They're" and "Their".
Step 2 to becoming a doctor: Learn the difference between "two", "to", and "too"
Step 3 to becoming a doctor: Learn the difference between "due" and "do"
Step 4 to becoming a doctor: Learn the difference between "ones" and "one's"
Step 5 to becoming a doctor: research what you actually need to major in. There is no requirement that you major in any science, let alone biology, at least in the US.

Silence Grammar nazi hijack not this thread on the internet.

Your right on the last part. I even heard Liberal Arts Grads have a higher acceptance rate into medical school then Pre-Meds.
Barringtonia
11-03-2009, 06:43
...also, it takes ages to become a doctor in Germany, they have the longest degrees in the world, especially for doctors, you'll be in your 30's before you get out...

...which is no bad thing I suppose.

However, crash coursing German in two years is going to be tricky given the evidence.

Still, aim high.
Kahless Khan
11-03-2009, 06:45
*sigh*...fine. I'll follow Lando and Ryadn's lead.

You don't have to major in biology, or any science, to be a doctor (this is true in the US...not sure about any other country).

This is true, music majors have high med-school acceptance rates (pdf source: http://www.amc-music.com/atk/2004/PDF/research/medschl.pdf)

I think you'd also have to complete the MCAT, and several pre-med requirements (first year biology, biochem, some sciences).
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 06:53
One problem, I really hate my country (America).

You're dicked, then. It's phenomenally hard to get into German universities.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 06:54
You're dicked, then. It's phenomenally hard to get into German universities.

From an American high school. Oh hell yeah its hard.

a lot easier after Undergraduate school provided its tier 1.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 07:03
You're dicked, then. It's phenomenally hard to get into German universities.

? My cousin did a few years of German and philosophy here in NZ, moved to Germany to play football and is now doing his masters in philosophy... in German. Don't think he found it hard at all getting in. Probably harder to get out.
Banuta
11-03-2009, 07:05
This is true, music majors have high med-school acceptance rates (pdf source: http://www.amc-music.com/atk/2004/PDF/research/medschl.pdf)

I think you'd also have to complete the MCAT, and several pre-med requirements (first year biology, biochem, some sciences).

Really? Wow lol, I've been lied too. :(

Although I may still want too major in something with the science's, but maybe something more practical as a fallback option.

I guess I could do something related too computers, provided they had higher acceptance rates into medical school.


To all those who challenge my Grammar skills, Yeah, they suck. But it does not mean I cannot write, I actually participated in and Won national novel writing month. It just takes a long time too edit through all the grammar issues. (See, Dysgraphia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia)
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:06
? My cousin did a few years of German and philosophy here in NZ, moved to Germany to play football and is now doing his masters in philosophy... in German. Don't think he found it hard at all getting in. Probably harder to get out.

I think he is saying from a US high school.
not so Hard after Undergraduate.
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 07:07
? My cousin did a few years of German and philosophy here in NZ, moved to Germany to play football and is now doing his masters in philosophy... in German. Don't think he found it hard at all getting in. Probably harder to get out.

Your cousin went in with at least some of his undergrad already completed, I'd assume. This kid's talking about straight out of US high school--which, if I recall, is a course load that is two years shorter than a German Gymnasium. That's decidedly a no-go.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 07:07
I think he is saying from a US high school.
not so Hard after Undergraduate.

Ahh I see, makes a bit more sense I guess.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:08
Ahh I see, makes a bit more sense I guess.

Considering where the public school system in the US ranks.
not surprising.
New Manvir
11-03-2009, 07:08
I am currently a sophomore in high school, and am thinking about where I want too go too college. I know what I want too be, a Doctor. I understand that I have too major in biology. One problem, I really hate my country (America). I want too find the perfect area for me too study and live. I'm considering Germany do too it being fairly easier, seeing as I am a dual-citizen, (American, and Germany).

I think I may fit perfectly their, assuming I can crash course learn German in the next two years. I understand that I cannot come back too united states if I wanted too, and practice medicine there. My Opa was in the same situation when he immigrated, though he was still able too do research, as he was brought into the united states too do such a thing. (He actually discovered a bacteria in the red sea that photosynthesis's without chlorophyll!)

It just seems so perfect, did I mention I'm pasty white? I got a sunburn today because I was in the sun during PE, stupid California.

But I do also consider Russia a possibility, do too the climate. Does anyone know if the degree's would transfer over from Germany too Russia?

Also, any specific college's would be great, if there are good one's.

Canada cause were cold like Russia and you wouldn't have to learn a new language. Plus, we're fucking awesome.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 07:08
Your cousin went in with at least some of his undergrad already completed, I'd assume. This kid's talking about straight out of US high school--which, if I recall, is a course load that is two years shorter than a German Gymnasium. That's decidedly a no-go.

Ahh, I getcha. I thought you meant in general, sorry. But yes -- straight from high school, don't think so.
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 07:10
To all those who challenge my Grammar skills, Yeah, they suck. But it does not mean I cannot write, I actually participated in and Won national novel writing month. It just takes a long time too edit through all the grammar issues. (See, Dysgraphia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia)

From one anglophonic student of German to another, you're in for a challenge with German. I have exceptionally high verbal and written skills, and German, after nine years of high school, then undergraduate study, is still something I'm imperfect at. I majored in it for christ's sake.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:10
OP. Why Russia ? all the reasons you ahve to hate the US are present there.
Invades other countries ? Check.
Belligerent ? check
Dreams of grandeur ? check
Arrogant population ? check.
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 07:13
OP. Why Russia ? all the reasons you ahve to hate the US are present there.
Invades other countries ? Check.
Belligerent ? check
Dreams of grandeur ? check
Arrogant population ? check.

And it's f'ing cold.
Hydesland
11-03-2009, 07:13
Why not the US anyway? They have some of the finest medical colleges in the world, if not the finest.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:15
Why not the US anyway? They have some of the finest medical colleges in the world, if not the finest.

finest universities in general.
Of the top 500 universities in the world 300 are in the US.
Per Capita the UK/ Aus/ Canada all come very close as well.
Sarkhaan
11-03-2009, 07:24
I actually participated in and Won national novel writing month. It just takes a long time too edit through all the grammar issues. (See, Dysgraphia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia)

Yeah...nanowrimo...where anyone who completes it "wins".

And yes, in college, you will be beaten for simple mistakes like that. There are some professors who will not grade a paper with many simple grammatical and spelling mistakes. Take it as constructive criticism. As with anything, the only way to improve is to practice. This is a pretty decent place to do that.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:28
Yeah...nanowrimo...where anyone who completes it "wins".

And yes, in college, you will be beaten for simple mistakes like that. There are some professors who will not grade a paper with many simple grammatical and spelling mistakes. Take it as constructive criticism. As with anything, the only way to improve is to practice. This is a pretty decent place to do that.

that why you bang an ugly English major, and get her to proof read your papers.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:31
That took a month of my hard work and dedication, I advise you too shut your fucking mouth. End of statement. End of discussion with you, I don't want too hear about you and your OCD.

you didnt need to go that far. just ignore the grammar nazi.
Banuta
11-03-2009, 07:31
And it's f'ing cold.

lol, exactly why I was thinking about moving there :). But I don't really consider it an option, I was just slightly brainstorming it ;P
Banuta
11-03-2009, 07:34
I think he is saying from a US high school.
not so Hard after Undergraduate.

Yep definitely a US high school, more specifically a very, very public high school.
Sarkhaan
11-03-2009, 07:37
that why you bang an ugly English major, and get her to proof read your papers.

Or why I was one...

Listen, I'm not insulting you here. Yes, nanowrimo takes dedication and time. It is an impressive undertaking, one that I myself have not taken.

What I AM saying is that, in college, base levels of grammar and spelling are required, and yes, some professors will refuse to grade papers that consistantly mess up basic grammar. Those that will grade it will take off many points. Why? Because it obscures your points. The best way to get better is to practice. As I said, this is a good place to do that. If you are looking to go to college, let alone be a doctor, you will have to write papers. This will be easier for you if you begin to fix the mistakes in your everyday writing.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:37
Yep definitely a US high school, more specifically a very, very public high school.

well then you might have a hard time getting into Undergraduate school in Germany, or any country with a decent university system. you might be better served dual majoring in German and whatever interest you and can help you get into Med school. I advise against Pre Med, I heard somewhere Med schools outside the US don't accept that degree very often.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:43
Or why I was one...

Listen, I'm not insulting you here. Yes, nanowrimo takes dedication and time. It is an impressive undertaking, one that I myself have not taken.

What I AM saying is that, in college, base levels of grammar and spelling are required, and yes, some professors will refuse to grade papers that consistantly mess up basic grammar. Those that will grade it will take off many points. Why? Because it obscures your points. The best way to get better is to practice. As I said, this is a good place to do that. If you are looking to go to college, let alone be a doctor, you will have to write papers. This will be easier for you if you begin to fix the mistakes in your everyday writing.

yeah, your going to proof read your work before you turn it in. And unless its 100 level English your going to have someone else, proof read again for you.
I fine it far better to write creatively without regards for grammar then to go through and correct the mistakes.
A grammar check is simply not needed for a forum post.
Banuta
11-03-2009, 07:44
well then you might have a hard time getting into Undergraduate school in Germany, or any country with a decent university system. you might be better served dual majoring in German and whatever interest you and can help you get into Med school. I advise against Pre Med, I heard somewhere Med schools outside the US don't accept that degree very often.

I did not think about that option, that is a very very good idea. So I would do my undergrad in the U.S and prepare for med school in Germany?
greed and death
11-03-2009, 07:49
I did not think about that option, that is a very very good idea. So I would do my undergrad in the U.S and prepare for med school in Germany?

yeah. Just make sure you get into a tier 1 school in the US.
Ask your German professor for German medical terms as well, to help you along your way.
Vetalia
11-03-2009, 07:49
The US has some of the best medical schools on Earth, bar none...our medical facilities are simply outstanding and the variety and degree of specialization offered is virtually unrivaled. We're talking world-class talent from anywhere and everywhere. I doubt many institutes around the world would hesitate to hire you if you've got a degree from one of our top schools. It might help to learn another major language as well, especially if you plan on working in the field, for example in a developing country as part of a humanitarian mission.
Banuta
11-03-2009, 07:55
yeah. Just make sure you get into a tier 1 school in the US.
Ask your German professor for German medical terms as well, to help you along your way.

So teir 1 school...
What is the school with the highest acceptance rate lol
greed and death
11-03-2009, 08:02
So teir 1 school...
What is the school with the highest acceptance rate lol

my degree is not medical related at all. Just know from a few years earlier i was considering grad school in Korea. Then I realized Korean schools suck, and would be worthless outside of Korea.

I am certain your state has at least one tier one school named University of "state name" or "state name" A+M. In state is always better for undergrad, no need to break the bank until Graduate school.
Anti-Social Darwinism
11-03-2009, 08:18
Actually one of the best medical schools around is in California - Loma Linda University. That is if you can qualify to get in. And don't get in an uproar because it's a religious school - they have top notch programs in medicine, nursing, public health, dentistry, optometry - probably because health is all they do. With an MD from Loma Linda, you can work anywhere in the world.
Dundee-Fienn
11-03-2009, 10:02
*sigh*...fine. I'll follow Lando and Ryadn's lead.

You don't have to major in biology, or any science, to be a doctor (this is true in the US...not sure about any other country).

The UK universities generally require chemistry and one other science (doesn't have to be biology) at A-level or equivalent. They're getting tougher and tougher to get into though. When I started medical school they were accepting ABB in some places. Now you generally need AAA to have a chance and all the additional work experience, etc.
Pure Metal
11-03-2009, 10:19
I am currently a sophomore in high school, and am thinking about where I want too go too college. I know what I want too be, a Doctor. I understand that I have too major in biology. One problem, I really hate my country (America). I want too find the perfect area for me too study and live. I'm considering Germany do too it being fairly easier, seeing as I am a dual-citizen, (American, and Germany).

I think I may fit perfectly their, assuming I can crash course learn German in the next two years. I understand that I cannot come back too united states if I wanted too, and practice medicine there. My Opa was in the same situation when he immigrated, though he was still able too do research, as he was brought into the united states too do such a thing. (He actually discovered a bacteria in the red sea that photosynthesis's without chlorophyll!)

It just seems so perfect, did I mention I'm pasty white? I got a sunburn today because I was in the sun during PE, stupid California.

But I do also consider Russia a possibility, do too the climate. Does anyone know if the degree's would transfer over from Germany too Russia?

Also, any specific college's would be great, if there are good one's.

doctors should probably learn how to use the word 'to'

as for universities in germany, i don't know. but the climate of the UK would probably suit you well, and we have some good unis
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 10:22
finest universities in general.
Of the top 500 universities in the world 300 are in the US.
Per Capita the UK/ Aus/ Canada all come very close as well.

Just curious, there a source for this?
Reprocycle
11-03-2009, 10:24
doctors should probably learn how to use the word 'to'

as for universities in germany, i don't know. but the climate of the UK would probably suit you well, and we have some good unis

No offence but perhaps everyone else should learn that someone can be lazy with their writing in a personal setting outside of their job and be very anal about it in a professional setting
The Archregimancy
11-03-2009, 10:32
I am currently a sophomore in high school, and am thinking about where I want too go too college. I know what I want too be, a Doctor. I understand that I have too major in biology. One problem, I really hate my country (America). I want too find the perfect area for me too study and live. I'm considering Germany do too it being fairly easier, seeing as I am a dual-citizen, (American, and Germany).


I find it regrettable that you're allowing adolescent angst at your own country of citizenship to impact such a major life decision, but as an academic who's worked in the UK, USA, and Australia, and whose wife's family is Russian (another country you've expressed interest in), I'll do my best to give you some constructive advice.

1) While I would argue that European and Australian public high school equivalents are, on balance, superior to their US counterparts, I would have to concede that the top American universities - particularly the top American graduate programmes - are, on balance, superior to their European and Australian counterparts.

There are exceptions to that sweeping generalisation. Archaeology (my own field) has some areas which are better developed outside of the US, and some areas which are better developed in the US. Similarly, there are individual areas of medical research which are better developed outside the US than in the US - but for overall quality of medical school training, you're almost certainly better off in the US than outside it.


2) I strongly urge you not to study in a country where you would study in a language other than English unless you're completely fluent in that language. By your own admission, you're not fluent in German, and unless you undergo some sort of full-immersion language programme, I can't see you achieving academic fluency in two years. And Parusski is right out if you don't already speak it - trust me.

Some continental European universities do carry out graduate training in English, but not undergraduate training.

3) If you must study outside the US, then consider the UK or Australia. Unless, however, your grades are superlative, don't assume that you'll get into a top university like Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh, Sydney or Melbourne.

4) There are no substantial cost savings for you in studying in Europe. Even though you hold German citizenship, you would still be charged fees as an overseas student (trust me on this one - as I'd been living in the US for 4 years, I had to pay overseas student fees for my MA and PhD in the UK even though I'm only a UK citizen). Overseas student fees in the EU are broadly comparable to student fees in the US.

5) Don't assume you need to major in biology - though it wouldn't hurt, either. Look at the requirements of a few different graduate medical programmes to gain a more rounded idea of what you need.

6) Wherever you study, prepare to leave university with a small mountain of debt. Student loans are inevitable, but try not to run up large credit card bills.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 10:35
Just curious, there a source for this?

it was the news week world university rankings.
I also left out New Zealand from the Percapita rankings. They also do well.
the common wealth (minus India, Africa and a few other spots) has good schools pretty close to the US per capita.
here is a UK source. ice only looked at the top 20 schools. but notice Us has 6 of the top 10 and 13 of the top 20 schools.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=243&pubCode=1


and before i spark major my countries universities are better then your debate.
Some feel the rankings system favors English speaking regions universities.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 10:39
it was the news week world university rankings.
I also left out New Zealand from the Percapita rankings. They also do well.
the common wealth (minus India, Africa and a few other spots) has good schools pretty close to the US per capita.
here is a UK source. ice only looked at the top 20 schools. but notice Us has 6 of the top 10 and 13 of the top 20 schools.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=243&pubCode=1


and before i spark major my countries universities are better then your debate.
Some feel the rankings system favors English speaking regions universities.

Cool, I just wanted to see where my Uni ranked, haha. Thanks... And 124th this year. Not too bad I guess.
greed and death
11-03-2009, 10:45
Cool, I just wanted to see where my Uni ranked, haha. Thanks.

someone posted an article where they did a study in Europe on the IQ of college graduates. the UK scored the highest with an average IQ of 109. and for shits and giggles they did US college graduates and we scored a 110.
The major problem in the US is our high school education system sucks. lower end tier 1 and tier 2 and 3 colleges all have the same issue having to teach remedial courses just to get freshmen on par with the knowledge they are supposed to have at university.
Kelssek
11-03-2009, 10:54
If you are intent on doing medicine and becoming a doctor, and you don't mind leaving your continent, keep in mind that in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, you can do medicine as an undergraduate - it's called the MBBS and it, or a similar equivalent, exists in most Commonwealth countries, except Canada, possibly because of the influence from down south (our law degrees are generally graduate programs too, also like the U.S. and unlike other Commonwealth nations).
greed and death
11-03-2009, 11:24
might not be a good idea to go to Germany.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29630925/

article says 2, but update was saying at least 10. typical Europeans behind the times, school shootings were so 2008.
Pure Metal
11-03-2009, 11:27
No offence but perhaps everyone else should learn that someone can be lazy with their writing in a personal setting outside of their job and be very anal about it in a professional setting

but its a whole extra letter to type 'too' instead of 'to' :confused:

Cool, I just wanted to see where my Uni ranked, haha. Thanks... And 124th this year. Not too bad I guess.

133 for me. you got me beat :P
Eofaerwic
11-03-2009, 11:30
The UK universities generally require chemistry and one other science (doesn't have to be biology) at A-level or equivalent. They're getting tougher and tougher to get into though. When I started medical school they were accepting ABB in some places. Now you generally need AAA to have a chance and all the additional work experience, etc.

AAA? I thought they had it up to AAAA for good places, or is that just for vets (ah the irony, it's more difficult to become a vet than a doctor)

If you are intent on doing medicine and becoming a doctor, and you don't mind leaving your continent, keep in mind that in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, you can do medicine as an undergraduate - it's called the MBBS and it, or a similar equivalent, exists in most Commonwealth countries, except Canada, possibly because of the influence from down south (our law degrees are generally graduate programs too, also like the U.S. and unlike other Commonwealth nations).

Although it should be noted that it's a 5 or 6 year course.
Eofaerwic
11-03-2009, 11:31
133 for me. you got me beat :P

Hmm, 81st. Well not bad given we're only 40 years old.
Svalbardania
11-03-2009, 12:45
Hmm, 81st. Well not bad given we're only 40 years old.

37! Woot!
greed and death
11-03-2009, 12:47
Hmm, 81st. Well not bad given we're only 40 years old.

that is really good because part of the criteria is what the alumni have done.
aka gotten Nobel prizes or become head of state/government.
Peisandros
11-03-2009, 13:15
133 for me. you got me beat :P

Yay :D.

37! Woot!

I never knew Sydney had that good a uni. I was considering going to Monash for a bit, but too expensive.
Interesting to see Syd and Melbourne dropped quite a bit in the rankings this year, I wonder why??
Yootopia
11-03-2009, 13:20
I am currently a sophomore in high school, and am thinking about where I want too go too college. I know what I want too be, a Doctor. I understand that I have too major in biology. One problem, I really hate my country (America).
Go to Canada. You don't really have to learn a new language (and German isn't an easy one, Russian is also nothing to do with English so pretty much all of the words are going to be new and they have case ending changes up the arse) and if you love to freeze your tits off you can't really go wrong with most of Canada.
Hamilay
11-03-2009, 13:21
If you are intent on doing medicine and becoming a doctor, and you don't mind leaving your continent, keep in mind that in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, you can do medicine as an undergraduate - it's called the MBBS and it, or a similar equivalent, exists in most Commonwealth countries, except Canada, possibly because of the influence from down south (our law degrees are generally graduate programs too, also like the U.S. and unlike other Commonwealth nations).

Note that by the time you graduate this will likely be phased out in Australia and New Zealand, damn Americanisation.

37! Woot!

38 *shakes fist*
Dakini
11-03-2009, 14:15
From what I've heard of undergraduate work in Germany, I suspect that this kid would get eaten alive if he managed to get in. I mean, aside from having to learn German (which might be difficult based on the English skills presented) the system over there is actually tough.
Dakini
11-03-2009, 14:18
someone posted an article where they did a study in Europe on the IQ of college graduates. the UK scored the highest with an average IQ of 109. and for shits and giggles they did US college graduates and we scored a 110.
The major problem in the US is our high school education system sucks. lower end tier 1 and tier 2 and 3 colleges all have the same issue having to teach remedial courses just to get freshmen on par with the knowledge they are supposed to have at university.

You are aware that IQ is not a particularly meaningful measure of intelligence and generally has cultural biases built into it, correct?
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 14:33
it was the news week world university rankings.
I also left out New Zealand from the Percapita rankings. They also do well.
the common wealth (minus India, Africa and a few other spots) has good schools pretty close to the US per capita.
here is a UK source. ice only looked at the top 20 schools. but notice Us has 6 of the top 10 and 13 of the top 20 schools.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=243&pubCode=1


and before i spark major my countries universities are better then your debate.
Some feel the rankings system favors English speaking regions universities.

Why, yes, I see the lovely school of Buckeye's on that list :)
Ashmoria
11-03-2009, 14:35
screw germany, russia AND the US for medical school.

go to one of the caribbean medical schools. they are easier to get into, often have instruction in english and when you are done you get to practice in paradise.
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 14:38
Also, is your distaste with the US because of the climate? Do you loathe the warmth and sun of Cali? Come to the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region where you won't see the sun for 80% of the year! :)
Dakini
11-03-2009, 14:43
Also, is your distaste with the US because of the climate? Do you loathe the warmth and sun of Cali? Come to the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region where you won't see the sun for 80% of the year! :)
The Pacific Northwest wouldn't be bad for that either.
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 14:51
The Pacific Northwest wouldn't be bad for that either.

True...we in North America have an awful lot of cold places.
Dakini
11-03-2009, 14:57
True...we in North America have an awful lot of cold places.
It's not cold in the Pacific Northwest, it just rains often. The same is true of the southern coast of British Columbia (usually).
Andaluciae
11-03-2009, 15:08
It's not cold in the Pacific Northwest, it just rains often. The same is true of the southern coast of British Columbia (usually).

I guess the vividness of this winter's crazy snow is standing out to me.
Sarkhaan
11-03-2009, 15:18
Note that by the time you graduate this will likely be phased out in Australia and New Zealand, damn Americanisation.



38 *shakes fist*

46. *feels inadequate*
Reprocycle
11-03-2009, 15:36
AAA? I thought they had it up to AAAA for good places, or is that just for vets (ah the irony, it's more difficult to become a vet than a doctor)


Aye some places are tougher than others. Queens University for example pretty much required all A* at GCSE and all A at A-level to be even considered. I have a real dislike for those institutions that base their acceptances more on grades than they do on interviews, etc.
Kelssek
11-03-2009, 16:05
Note that by the time you graduate this will likely be phased out in Australia and New Zealand, damn Americanisation.

Cripes. I didn't know they were doing that. That sucks.
Free Soviets
11-03-2009, 16:44
Come to the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region where you won't see the sun for 80% of the year! :)

it makes you really appreciate the other 20%
DrunkenDove
11-03-2009, 18:30
46. *feels inadequate*

Not even on the list.

*Runs away crying*
Exilia and Colonies
11-03-2009, 18:37
Not even on the list.

*Runs away crying*

Mwah ha ha... 152!