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Interesting numbers, very interesting

NERVUN
09-03-2009, 12:42
More Americans say they have no religion
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll, Ap Religion Writer Mon Mar 9, 12:14 am ET

A wide-ranging study on American religious life found that the Roman Catholic population has been shifting out o of the Northeast to the Southwest, the percentage of Christians in the nation has declined and more people say they have no religion at all.

Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990, according to the American Religious Identification Survey.

Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.

"No other religious bloc has kept such a pace in every state," the study's authors said.

In the Northeast, self-identified Catholics made up 36 percent of adults last year, down from 43 percent in 1990. At the same time, however, Catholics grew to about one-third of the adult population in California and Texas, and one-quarter of Floridians, largely due to Latino immigration, according to the research.

Nationally, Catholics remain the largest religious group, with 57 million people saying they belong to the church. The tradition gained 11 million followers since 1990, but its share of the population fell by about a percentage point to 25 percent.

Christians who aren't Catholic also are a declining segment of the country.

In 2008, Christians comprised 76 percent of U.S. adults, compared to about 77 percent in 2001 and about 86 percent in 1990. Researchers said the dwindling ranks of mainline Protestants, including Methodists, Lutherans and Episcopalians, largely explains the shift. Over the last seven years, mainline Protestants dropped from just over 17 percent to 12.9 percent of the population.

The report from The Program on Public Values at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., surveyed 54,461 adults in English or Spanish from February through November of last year. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 0.5 percentage points. The findings are part of a series of studies on American religion by the program that will later look more closely at reasons behind the trends.

The current survey, being released Monday, found traditional organized religion playing less of a role in many lives. Thirty percent of married couples did not have a religious wedding ceremony and 27 percent of respondents said they did not want a religious funeral.

About 12 percent of Americans believe in a higher power but not the personal God at the core of monotheistic faiths. And, since 1990, a slightly greater share of respondents — 1.2 percent — said they were part of new religious movements, including Scientology, Wicca and Santeria.

The study also found signs of a growing influence of churches that either don't belong to a denomination or play down their membership in a religious group.

Respondents who called themselves "non-denominational Christian" grew from 0.1 percent in 1990 to 3.5 percent last year. Congregations that most often use the term are megachurches considered "seeker sensitive." They use rock style music and less structured prayer to attract people who don't usually attend church. Researchers also found a small increase in those who prefer being called evangelical or born-again, rather than claim membership in a denomination.

Evangelical or born-again Americans make up 34 percent of all American adults and 45 percent of all Christians and Catholics, the study found. Researchers found that 18 percent of Catholics consider themselves born-again or evangelical, and nearly 39 percent of mainline Protestants prefer those labels. Many mainline Protestant groups are riven by conflict over how they should interpret what the Bible says about gay relationships, salvation and other issues.

The percentage of Pentecostals remained mostly steady since 1990 at 3.5 percent, a surprising finding considering the dramatic spread of the tradition worldwide. Pentecostals are known for a spirited form of Christianity that includes speaking in tongues and a belief in modern-day miracles.

Mormon numbers also held steady over the period at 1.4 percent of the population, while the number of Jews who described themselves as religiously observant continued to drop, from 1.8 percent in 1990 to 1.2 percent, or 2.7 million people, last year. Researchers plan a broader survey on people who consider themselves culturally Jewish but aren't religious.

The study found that the percentage of Americans who identified themselves as Muslim grew to 0.6 percent of the population, while growth in Eastern religions such as Buddhism slightly slowed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re/rel_religious_america

I would like to highlight the fact that evangelicals only number 45% (18% Catholic and 39% mainline Protestant) of US Christians, and make up only 34% of the American adult population. So while they have a very loud voice and have had an over proportioned rep these last few years, no, they do not comprise the bulk of Christians in the US.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 12:44
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re/rel_religious_america

I would like to highlight the fact that evangelicals only number 45% (18% Catholic and 39% mainline Protestant) of US Christians, and make up only 34% of the American adult population. So while they have a very loud voice and have had an over proportioned rep these last few years, no, they do not comprise the bulk of Christians in the US.

I don't know... nearly half isn't the bulk?
greed and death
09-03-2009, 12:45
something must be done this isn't good at all....
more teaching of evolution and common sense in the class room.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 12:45
I don't know... nearly half isn't the bulk?
Bulk would be over half, no?
greed and death
09-03-2009, 12:47
Bulk would be over half, no?

i find bulk to be closer to plurality then majority.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 12:49
Bulk would be over half, no?

Not really... bulk would be the biggest segment, I think. But I could be wrong.
Psychotic Mongooses
09-03-2009, 12:51
Born again/Evangelical Catholics....? Someone explain that one to me please.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 12:53
i find bulk to be closer to plurality then majority.
Webster says main or greater part, but even then, with 18% and 39% respectively, the evangelicals don't even hit that.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 12:56
Webster says main or greater part, but even then, with 18% and 39% respectively, the evangelicals don't even hit that.

Ok... doesn't change the fact that they nearly account for half of them.
Forgive me if I still find that worrying.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 12:58
Ok... doesn't change the fact that they nearly account for half of them.
Forgive me if I still find that worrying.
Their numbers have been flat or declining though. They are not quite the bogyman they are made out to be.
greed and death
09-03-2009, 12:59
Webster says main or greater part, but even then, with 18% and 39% respectively, the evangelicals don't even hit that.

your thing says

Evangelical or born-again Americans make up 34 percent of all American adults and 45 percent of all Christians and Catholics.


1/3 of all adults could be considered the main segment depending on how you divide the other sections. I am assuming you would use something more then just evangelical and non evangelical.

and i don't think they were over represented.
the republicans have several factions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States))
the religious right is only one of them.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 13:01
Their numbers have been flat or declining though. They are not quite the bogyman they are made out to be.

Shrinking to just under half of the total... apparently slowly shrinking, or just remaining flat.

Add to that that they do have this tendency to be more vocal than all the other groups together....

Sorry, if you had meant this as a positive post about the declining influence of evangelical Christians, it's just not quite there yet.
Once they're under 25%, there might be reason for cautious optimism.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 13:02
1/3 of all adults could be considered the main segment depending on how you divide the other sections. I am assuming you would use something more then just evangelical and non evangelical.

and i don't think they were over represented.
the republicans have several factions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)
the religious right is only one of them.
Given how evangelicals are trotted out on this board as being the majority of Christians in the US, their beliefs and behaviors, yes, I AM using evangelical/non because that is what is often pointed to here, regardless of protestations to the contrary by others.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 13:04
Given how evangelicals are trotted out on this board as being the majority of Christians in the US, their beliefs and behaviors, yes, I AM using evangelical/non because that is what is often pointed to here, regardless of protestations to the contrary by others.

I can't remember anyone claiming that they are the majority.
People have stated that Christians are a majority, and that a significant number of those are the worrying kind (as in, evangelical), but I don't think anybody ever claimed that most Christians in the US are evangelical.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 13:05
Shrinking to just under half of the total... apparently slowly shrinking, or just remaining flat.

Add to that that they do have this tendency to be more vocal than all the other groups together....

Sorry, if you had meant this as a positive post about the declining influence of evangelical Christians, it's just not quite there yet.
Once they're under 25%, there might be reason for cautious optimism.
The numbers are shifting rapidly, given the decline over the short amount of time. I expect that we will see much more of a secular America given the numbers than a resurgence of evangelical Christianity, or, rather, the extreme right version of it.
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 13:06
I can't remember anyone claiming that they are the majority.
People have stated that Christians are a majority, and that a significant number of those are the worrying kind (as in, evangelical), but I don't think anybody ever claimed that most Christians in the US are evangelical.
Really? I have encountered it quite a bit.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 13:06
The numbers are shifting rapidly, given the decline over the short amount of time. I expect that we will see much more of a secular America given the numbers than a resurgence of evangelical Christianity, or, rather, the extreme right version of it.

I most certainly would welcome that, but right now I don't really see it yet. I'll just wait and see.
Cabra West
09-03-2009, 13:07
Really? I have encountered it quite a bit.

Funny that I haven't... I tend to follow those Christianity debates quite a bit, mostly for laughs.
Who claimed that, then? And would you remember the context?
NERVUN
09-03-2009, 13:09
I most certainly would welcome that, but right now I don't really see it yet. I'll just wait and see.
Atheists (and possibly agnostics) almost doubled in the last 20 years, that's pretty fast for a social change.

Edit: Before this develops into a standard NSG back and forth and I get yelled at for abandoning thread, it's past 9pm here in Nagano, time for my son's bath and getting him into bed, so I shall tackle this again tomorrow. G'Night, Cabra, everyone!
Muravyets
09-03-2009, 15:10
The numbers are interesting, indeed. The whole study program sounds interesting. I look forward to more results from those people. What's not clear to me yet is whether Americans are actually trending towards secularism or rather towards an undefined religiosity (the so-called non-denominational religions)
Ashmoria
09-03-2009, 15:54
i find the numbers for weddings and funerals the most telling. if you dont even want a religious funeral, you really arent religious.

whether or not those people are agnostics, atheists or just not particularly thoughtful about religion doesnt make much differenct to me.

the number of hard core evangelicals has been very overstated anyway. they get double and triple counted (same as catholics who get counted long after they have stopped going to church) and many of them are politically neutral or even liberal. the evangelical leaders like to pretend that they command their flocks politically but only the minority of evangelicals take political orders from anyone.