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Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/400,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fap%2F20090307%2Fcapt.f8286e5f34d34eb19a0324a4f8fb2fcf.aptopix_ arnold_schwarzenegger_ohjl102.jpg?v=2

It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a man, either. Body builders of both genders are just gross.

I know there are people who probably do, and you're looking in the right place (by that I mean the internet), but I certainly don't. She probably has begun to develop a proto-penis.

Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/400,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fap%2F20090307%2Fcapt.f8286e5f34d34eb19a0324a4f8fb2fcf.aptopix_ arnold_schwarzenegger_ohjl102.jpg?v=2

That is not a female body. That isn't even a male body. That is beef jerky. *nod*

Am I getting old or what?

No, just impotent. :D

Now, seriously. I don't find her attractive either.

Oh, no, I'm getting old or impotent! :eek:

No, just impotent. :D

Now, seriously. I don't find her attractive either.

Oh, no, I'm getting old or impotent! :eek:

Now, I think we've found another erection killer. :eek:

No, but of course I am a male chauvinist pig that needs the illusion that his lady feels safe and protected in his strong arms.
That illusion is almost impossible to maintain when the woman can probably break said arms.

No, but of course I am a male chauvinist pig that needs the illusion that his lady feels safe and protected in his strong arms.
That illusion is almost impossible to maintain when the woman can probably break said arms.

I, personally, would like a smallish and cute occultist Japanese girl with long straight jet-black hair I could take a bullet for...

*Sighs wistfully*

Maybe with some neko traits, too. And a slightly dark, mysterious secret...

*Sighs psychotically* :p

wow! I'm not against sporting women, and women with a bit of muscules is nice, but this is to much.... of course its only my opinion :D

Which one is the woman?

No. I'm straight and wouldn't be attracted to her regardless. However, I have to say I wouldn't find it attractive on a guy, either.

Which one is the woman?

That depends which one you ask. ;)

Which one is the woman?

Yes.

:eek:

I've tapped worse if thats what your asking :$

That illusion is almost impossible to maintain when the woman can probably break said arms.

but she can put you in her protective arms which is kinda useful if you need to change a tire or something

I'm straight and wouldn't be attracted to her regardless.

how about now:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/bobdole_05/Fat-Man-1.jpg?t=1236530741

I've tapped worse if thats what your asking :$



but she can put you in her protective arms which is kinda useful if you need to change a tire or something



how about now:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/bobdole_05/Fat-Man-1.jpg?t=1236530741

At least he wont be spending all his time training and eating protein shakes, he possibly can talk about more than body building too. The woman may be very intelligent and well versed in current events but all I see is someone who spends way too much quality time with gym equipment.

The guy at least has to have a sense of humour. :)

I don't mean to be too vulgar, but with all the steroids she's taken, it would be fun and sexy to play with her enlarged clitoris. The best of both worlds.

Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/400,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fap%2F20090307%2Fcapt.f8286e5f34d34eb19a0324a4f8fb2fcf.aptopix_ arnold_schwarzenegger_ohjl102.jpg?v=2


Thats disgusting.

SNIP

recognize yourself? :tongue:

Thats disgusting.

I just don't know what he was thinking when he put on that tie :(

Maybe that Baker-Miller Pink (http://bacweb.the-bac.edu/~michael.b.williams/baker-miller.html) would mitigate the likelihood of 'roid Rage?

how about now:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/bobdole_05/Fat-Man-1.jpg?t=1236530741
What, so because I don't find bulging muscles and popping veins attractive, we've got to swing to the other extreme?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just because a muscular female form doesn't turn you on and even disgusts you doesn't mean everyone else out there feels the exact same way.

Honestly, would the OP have been acceptable if the picture instead had been of an overweight or even obese woman? In either case it's little more than a shallow freakshow designed to appeal to the average male vanity and concept of femininity.

I, personally, would like a smallish and cute occultist Japanese girl with long straight jet-black hair I could take a bullet for...

*Sighs wistfully*

Maybe with some neko traits, too. And a slightly dark, mysterious secret...

*Sighs psychotically* :p

Exhibit A: Samara (wait till she's older, though, 'kay?)

Exhibit B: Alma (THIS one has an adult form! Yippee for you!)

What, so because I don't find bulging muscles and popping veins attractive, we've got to swing to the other extreme?

no I tried to find a hideous man to make you gay (I can't really post a picture of a flaccid penis now can I?)

Honestly, would the OP have been acceptable if the picture instead had been of an overweight or even obese woman? In either case it's little more than a shallow freakshow designed to appeal to the average male vanity and concept of femininity.

baww men like sexy women

no I tried to find a hideous man to make you gay

Strangely I consider the man to be more attractive than the lady. And I am quite certain I am neither gay nor female ;)

Strangely I consider the man to be more attractive than the lady. And I am quite certain I am neither gay nor female ;)

hes got tits *nods*

Oh lordy me no.

she looks pretty good for a female body builder.

and just like male body builders she is probably much more attractive whe she's not all pumped up in a contest.

Eh, I don't find body builders attractive regardless of gender.

and just like male body builders she is probably much more attractive whe she's not all pumped up in a contest.

so its a bit like gremlins?

how about now:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k223/bobdole_05/Fat-Man-1.jpg?t=1236530741

One picture. One picture I got drunk and sent to my guildmates, and it is now all over the internet. *grumbles*

It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a man, either. Body builders of both genders are just gross.
I agree with this.

Some muscle = ok. Lots of muscle... not so much.

Utterly revolting. That freak should just have an addadictomy and renounce any further connection to the female sex. Or better yet, get rid of the steroids and revert to something approximating a female appearance.

Utterly revolting. That freak should just have an addadictomy and renounce any further connection to the female sex. Or better yet, get rid of the steroids and revert to something approximating a female appearance.

Ah, see, most of us can only make jokes and point out that we're not attracted to her. It takes someone like you, though, to call her a freak and say she should "renounce connection to the female sex" in order to make yourself feel like more of a dignified human being.

Nasty. Men don't look good like that, but on a woman...

Yikes!

Excessive muscle doesn't look good on anybody; no matter their gender.

*fap fap fap fap..*

*fap fap fap fap..*

die die die die die.

No, that female body is not attractive to me. I think the beauty of the female body has to do with softness and curves, not muscle. Even a man with such a body, muscles upon muscles, would seem horrible to me.

Utterly revolting. That freak should just have an addadictomy and renounce any further connection to the female sex. Or better yet, get rid of the steroids and revert to something approximating a female appearance.

If that was a man, would you tell him the same thing?
And who are you to tell her what she should appear like?

If that was a man, would you tell him the same thing?
And who are you to tell her what she should appear like?

Of course not. If it was a man, he'd be a manly man whose manliness ought to be admired by other manly men.
The sad thing is, I think that's what NM wold actually say.

put it to you this way, if you have an abnormal amount of anything, its not attractive...and that goes for too much as well as too little...

Of course not. If it was a man, he'd be a manly man whose manliness ought to be admired by other manly men.
The sad thing is, I think that's what NM wold actually say.

*lol That is pretty much to the point... admired by other men. ;)

It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a man, either. Body builders of both genders are just gross.

Yeah, this.

If that was a man, would you tell him the same thing?

well its not like you can't outrun him :)

put it to you this way, if you have an abnormal amount of anything, its not attractive

bank balance?

If that was a man, would you tell him the same thing?
And who are you to tell her what she should appear like?

I know I wouldn't tell that thing how I feel, be it a man or a woman, it would put me in a lot of pain with very little effort I'd imagine.

I know I wouldn't tell that thing how I feel, be it a man or a woman, it would put me in a lot of pain with very little effort I'd imagine.

No. People with bodies like that become musclebound and can't punch for shit.

bank balance?

lol, well, Depends, if she's an insanely rich snob...Id probably be turned off....doesnt mean I wouldnt fake it for the money, but, it would be a turn off, :p

Urrgh. Sick. In the uncool way.

No. People with bodies like that become musclebound and can't punch for shit.

Yeah, unless it grabs me, then it will just tear me apart. Like a gorilla I'd imagine.

lol, well, Depends, if she's an insanely rich snob...Id probably be turned off....doesnt mean I wouldnt fake it for the money, but, it would be a turn off, :p

who cares what shes like shes buying so its happiness all round:)

Why do I imagine her being in charge in the bedroom...and why is that turning me on?

Why do I imagine her being in charge in the bedroom...and why is that turning me on?

Because SAW arouses you? Sarcasm, Wil, sarcasm.

Why do I imagine her being in charge in the bedroom...and why is that turning me on?

I don't know really, all I know is that it is keeping me turned off.

It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a man, either. Body builders of both genders are just gross.
This. So very much this.
The human body wasn't built to have that much muscle.

No, I don't. But the same question would never be asked of a male bodybuilder.

Why should her aim be to be attractive to you? Why does she deserve condemnation and ridicule from idiots on an internet forum for enjoying - shock horror! - an activity that means she does not conform to traditional conceptions of feminine beauty?

Contravention of traditional gender expectations? Oh_noes!

No, I don't. But the same question would never be asked of a male bodybuilder.

Why should her aim be to be attractive to you? Why does she deserve condemnation and ridicule from idiots on an internet forum for enjoying - shock horror! - an activity that means she does not conform to traditional conceptions of feminine beauty?

Because the OP asked me? lol

Because the OP asked me? lol

So if I make a thread asking you to repeatedly punch yourself in the face, you would do it?

No, I don't. But the same question would never be asked of a male bodybuilder.

Why should her aim be to be attractive to you? Why does she deserve condemnation and ridicule from idiots on an internet forum for enjoying - shock horror! - an activity that means she does not conform to traditional conceptions of feminine beauty?

Contravention of traditional gender expectations? Oh_noes!

You shouldn't. You also shouldn't bitch about being told your fugly if you know about the current expectations of society and then choose to go down a different path.

So if I make a thread asking you to repeatedly punch yourself in the face, you would do it?

Id tell you whether I would or not, lol...

You shouldn't. You also shouldn't bitch about being told your fugly if you know about the current expectations of society and then choose to go down a different path.

Right. So anyone who doesn't conform to society's norms, even if by their 'deviance' they cause no harm to others, is deserving of ridicule, because basically they 'asked for it'. Glad thats cleared up. Hurrah for the suppression of individuality.

Right. So anyone who doesn't conform to society's norms, even if by doing so they cause no harm to others, is deserving of ridicule, because basically they 'asked for it'. Glad thats cleared up. Hurrah for the suppression of individuality.

Well, I wouldnt say "Deserves" it, but, they should expect to see it coming...

Right. So anyone who doesn't conform to society's norms, even if by their 'deviance' they cause no harm to others, is deserving of ridicule, because basically they 'asked for it'. Glad thats cleared up. Hurrah for the suppression of individuality.

That isn't what I said.

Well, I wouldnt say "Deserves" it, but, they should expect to see it coming...

Doesn't mean that each and every individual who dishes out of abuse isn't in the wrong the wrong and shouldn't be ashamed of themselves.

That isn't what I said.

Its exactly what you said. You said they can't complain about being called fugly. So if they don't conform to society's expectations they can be insulted and have no grounds of complaint, meaning the insulted must, logically, by what you said, be just. I fail to see where I have misrepresented you in my reading of what you said.

Which one is the woman?

After the operation, the one on the left will be.

Doesn't mean that each and every individual who dishes out of abuse isn't in the wrong the wrong and shouldn't be ashamed of themselves.

Well, maybe, but on the other hand, the person being ridiculed shouldnt bitch about being ridiculed if they go that far overboard, so to speak...doesnt mean the people doing the ridiculing arent wrong, just that the person shouldnt be surprised by it...

But, its beside the point anyway, being that the person in the OP had no input in its creation anyway...

So, to each his/her own...just understand that Im not attracted, and Im sure the feeling would be mutual, lol...

Right. So anyone who doesn't conform to society's norms, even if by their 'deviance' they cause no harm to others, is deserving of ridicule, because basically they 'asked for it'. Glad thats cleared up. Hurrah for the suppression of individuality.

There's suppression of individuality, and then there's telling society to go fuck yourself.

And that's pretty much what she's doing.

So, if she doesn't have that many friends or a lover, she can't complain for making herself into something sane people think isn't attractive.

So, if she doesn't have that many friends or a lover, she can't complain for making herself into something sane people think is attractive.

Im sorry, but, that typo is too good to pass up, lmao :p

No, I don't. But the same question would never be asked of a male bodybuilder.
If she were a guy, I'd still be saying, "That disgusting freak."
Why should her aim be to be attractive to you? Why does she deserve condemnation and ridicule from idiots on an internet forum for enjoying - shock horror! - an activity that means she does not conform to traditional conceptions of feminine beauty?
It isn't just "traditional conceptions of feminine beauty," it is "traditional conceptions of a non-muscle bound freak."

Gender issues aside, everyone deserves condemnation and ridicule from idiots on an internet forum. These places exist for many reasons, and one of them is for people to have an anonymous outlet for their condemnation and ridicule.

Its exactly what you said. You said they can't complain about being called fugly. So if they don't conform to society's expectations they can be insulted and have no grounds of complaint, meaning the insulted must, logically, by what you said, be just. I fail to see where I have misrepresented you in my reading of what you said.

If you make a decision then you must accept the consequences of that decision. Whether that is being called fugly for choosing to gain a hundred pound of excess muscle or going to jail for choosing to shoot someone.

But I never said that anyone deserved it, just that they don't get to complain if it happens due to something they've chosen.

The proper question is "a female what?"

There's suppression of individuality, and then there's telling society to go fuck yourself.

And that's pretty much what she's doing.

I fail to see how she has told society to go fuck itself. What she's really done is like bodybuilding, and pursue it because she likes it. Why should people not pursue something they like because its not standard for their gender in a constructed gender discourse? There's nothing inherently harmful in what she's doing. Its society sticking two fingers up at her, not the other way around.

So, if she doesn't have that many friends or a lover, she can't complain for making herself into something sane people think is attractive.

Whats that rumbling? Oh yes, the sound of the goalposts being moved to an entirely different continent. I didn't say people have to go out with her or be her friend, merely not resort to abuse and body-fascism.

Im sorry, but, that typo is too good to pass up, lmao :p

Aww crap, I should have double-checked that. :)

I fail to see how she has told society to go fuck itself. What she's really done is like bodybuilding, and pursue it because she likes it. Why should people not pursue something they like because its not standard for their gender in a constructed gender discourse? There's nothing inherently harmful in what she's doing. Its society sticking two fingers up at her, not the other way around.



Whats that rumbling? Oh yes, the sound of the goalposts being moved to an entirely different continent. I didn't say people have to go out with her or be her friend, merely not resort to abuse and body-fascism.

Ah, well. Sadly, this is the way that we work. Someone does something, its going to have a response. Someone wastes a good portion of their life becoming the Incredible Hulk, then people are going to go, "Hey this person's pretty damn ugly."

And, its not a lie, she is pretty ugly. It's the only honest response your going to get.

Ah, well. Sadly, this is the way that we work. Someone does something, its going to have a response. Someone wastes a good portion of their life becoming the Incredible Hulk, then people are going to go, "Hey this person's pretty damn ugly."

And, its not a lie, she is pretty ugly. It's the only honest response your going to get.

Well, idk about that, there are alot of people who are into that sort of thing...

But, yeah, you can lift weights without turning yourself into the Incredible Hulk, you have to specifically aim to do that, ask Arnold Schwarzenegger,lol

Ah, well. Sadly, this is the way that we work. Someone does something, its going to have a response. Someone wastes a good portion of their life becoming the Incredible Hulk, then people are going to go, "Hey this person's pretty damn ugly."

Irrelevant. I'm not denying that society reacts this way to people who don't conform to its arbitrary codes. My point is that it shouldn't. Just because thats the way things are, doesn't mean its the way it should be, or that individuals, who have their own minds, are justified in unthinkingly abusing such people.

And, its not a lie, she is pretty ugly. It's the only honest response your going to get.

Still irrelevant. Once more, I have not been arguing that I find her attractive, or that others should be somehow obliged to do so. Rather, I'm arguing she shouldn't be attacked and insulted for how she looks, since she is under no obligation to conform to what society perceives as 'attractive'.

Its a gender-biased question in that a man would not face similar criticism. People here are not just saying "no, I don't see her as attractive", they are being insulting and offensive, which really isn't ok.

Irrelevant. I'm not denying that society reacts this way to people who don't conform to its arbitrary codes. My point is that it shouldn't. Just because thats the way things are, doesn't mean its the way it should be, or that individuals, who have their own minds, are justified in unthinkingly abusing such people.



Still irrelevant. Once more, I have not been arguing that I find her attractive, or that others should be somehow obliged to do so. Rather, I'm arguing she shouldn't be attacked and insulted for how she looks, since she is under no obligation to conform to what society perceives as 'attractive'.

Its a gender-biased question in that a man would not face similar criticism. People here are not just saying "no, I don't see her as attractive", they are being insulting and offensive, which really isn't ok.

Interesting. See, irrelevant. That's how I describe what your putting here.

The topic at hand is if the lady in the picture is attractive or not. There is even a poll on it. My argument is relevant to the topic at hand. Could I claim here that you are trying to hijack this thread? Yes, I think so.

Do I care though? No, not really. Carry on.

And, its not a lie, she is pretty ugly. It's the only honest response your going to get.

Ehhem. "It's the only honest response you're going to get."

I'm sorry, but with a nation name and sig like yours, you have to expect people to pick up on every mistake you make. Nothing personal :). I fully admit that my grammar and spelling are not brilliant.

Man, woman, anyone with that much muscle is unattractive. Not that they're less worthy as human beings, just physically unattatractive.

Interesting. See, irrelevant. That's how I describe what your putting here.

The topic at hand is if the lady in the picture is attractive or not. There is even a poll on it. My argument is relevant to the topic at hand. Could I claim here that you are trying to hijack this thread? Yes, I think so.

Do I care though? No, not really. Carry on.

You could claim that. However, as you are fully aware, it would be bullshit. I am attacking the premise underlying the thread and running right through it from the first post to this page. Namely, this premise is that women have some sort of natural obligation to attempt to be attractive in the conventional societally constructed sense, and that as she does not, lets all insult her. This thread would not have been created about a man, and had it been so, answers would typically have been only "no". This has not been simply people saying they don't find her attractive, instead its been a constant stream of insulting and demeaning comments. And this is what I've been commenting on. Hardly irrelevant.

This thread would not have been created about a man, and had it been so, answers would typically have been only "no".

Idk, ive seen some made about the likes of the aforementioned Schwarzenegger, and the like...and Most women I know talk about how much they dislike the type all the time...

there are double-standards out there, But I dont think this one is a case of it...

EDIT: In fact some females have responded to this thread in the same negative fasion

Blah! You're sick

Idk, ive seen some made about the likes of the aforementioned Schwarzenegger, and the like...and Most women I know talk about how much they dislike the type all the time...

there are double-standards out there, But I dont think this one is a case of it...

I've never seen a thread about it. And do the women you speak of resort to vicious personal attacks when asked if they find bodybuilders attractive, or do they just answer yes or no with a relatively neutral explanation of why it does or doesn't do anything for them?

I've never seen a thread about it. And do the women you speak of resort to vicious personal attacks when asked if they find bodybuilders attractive, or do they just answer yes or no with a relatively neutral explanation of why it does or doesn't do anything for them?

depends on the person, I know at least one who is pretty bad about that sort of thing...

however, I will concede that most Women arent as visceral about it as men, but Id say thats a personal thing, rather than a fault of the question itself...

You could claim that. However, as you are fully aware, it would be bullshit. I am attacking the premise underlying the thread and running right through it from the first post to this page. Namely, this premise is that women have some sort of natural obligation to attempt to be attractive in the conventional societally constructed sense, and that as she does not, lets all insult her. This thread would not have been created about a man, and had it been so, answers would typically have been only "no". This has not been simply people saying they don't find her attractive, instead its been a constant stream of insulting and demeaning comments. And this is what I've been commenting on. Hardly irrelevant.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560720&highlight=ugly

Thread about an ugly man. Plenty of unpleasant comments about his appearance.

I say again, it you choose to look different then you have to accept that people will say nasty things about you. Especially if you put yourself in the public eye.

Also, this is NSG. People say unpleasant things about everyone here.

Ehhem. "It's the only honest response you're going to get."

I'm sorry, but with a nation name and sig like yours, you have to expect people to pick up on every mistake you make. Nothing personal :). I fully admit that my grammar and spelling are not brilliant.

Man, woman, anyone with that much muscle is unattractive. Not that they're less worthy as human beings, just physically unattatractive.

Haha I made this account as a joke, I'm just posting here to raise up my post count so they don't get blocked in II.

Right. So anyone who doesn't conform to society's norms, even if by their 'deviance' they cause no harm to others, is deserving of ridicule, because basically they 'asked for it'. Glad thats cleared up. Hurrah for the suppression of individuality.
it is apparently everyone's duty to be as attractive as possible at all times no matter what they are doing at the time. to break the rule of maximum attractivity is to be fair game for ridicule and, for some people here, you forfeit your sexuality and perhaps your humanity.

it is apparently everyone's duty to be as attractive as possible at all times no matter what they are doing at the time. to break the rule of maximum attractivity is to be fair game for ridicule and, for some people here, you forfeit your sexuality and perhaps your humanity.

Psh, I coulda told you that, Dont you know nuthin? lol...

Welcome to the Interwebs :p...

]People here are not just saying "no, I don't see her as attractive"

Really?

Now, seriously. I don't find her attractive either.

wow! I'm not against sporting women, and women with a bit of muscules is nice, but this is to much.... of course its only my opinion :D

No. I'm straight and wouldn't be attracted to her regardless. However, I have to say I wouldn't find it attractive on a guy, either.

Eh, I don't find body builders attractive regardless of gender.

Some muscle = ok. Lots of muscle... not so much.

Excessive muscle doesn't look good on anybody; no matter their gender.

No, that female body is not attractive to me. I think the beauty of the female body has to do with softness and curves, not muscle. Even a man with such a body, muscles upon muscles, would seem horrible to me.

Really?

Hey! Stop letting facts get in the way of a good bout of complaining!

That is not a female body. That isn't even a male body. That is beef jerky. *nod*
Don't say that -- it makes one ponder humanitarianism.

Of course not. If it was a man, he'd be a manly man whose manliness ought to be admired by other manly men.
The sad thing is, I think that's what NM wold actually say.

Maybe. But he wouldn't be as sarcastic.

If that was a man, would you tell him the same thing?

No, genius, I would not be telling him to have an addadictomy. :rolleyes:

I would, however, tell him to lay off the steroids.

And who are you to tell her what she should appear like?

I'm someone who has the right of free speech and exercises it in any way he sees fit, that's who.

I'm someone who has the right of free speech and exercises it in any way he sees fit, that's who.

Hasnt our new Caliph gotten around to taking that away from you yet?

No, I don't. But the same question would never be asked of a male bodybuilder.

Actually, it would.

Why should her aim be to be attractive to you?

She can aim to do whatever she wants. And when her aim ends up making her look like a steroidal abomination of indeterminate sex, she will end up being ridiculed for it. Just like when you jump off a building you go splat.

Why does she deserve defense from idiots on an internet forum for enjoying - shock horror! - an activity that means she does not conform to traditional conceptions of feminine beauty?

Fixed.

Contravention of traditional gender expectations? Oh_noes!

That's the way it goes, bud. Get used to it.

Hasnt our new Caliph gotten around to taking that away from you yet?

Well, he's waiting for the Ring to come back from the polish job at the jeweler.

You could claim that. However, as you are fully aware, it would be bullshit. I am attacking the premise underlying the thread and running right through it from the first post to this page. Namely, this premise is that women have some sort of natural obligation to attempt to be attractive in the conventional societally constructed sense, and that as she does not, lets all insult her. This thread would not have been created about a man, and had it been so, answers would typically have been only "no". This has not been simply people saying they don't find her attractive, instead its been a constant stream of insulting and demeaning comments. And this is what I've been commenting on. Hardly irrelevant.

Basically the thread was created as an outlet for Socially Acceptable Targeting. Had it been the picture of an overweight or obese woman like I mentioned earlier on in the thread, most people wouldn't have been so open about insulting the woman's physical appearance.

I'm someone who has the right of free speech and exercises it in any way he sees fit, that's who.

And she's a woman who has the right to treat her body as she sees fit, and who could kick your ass very easily.

Basically the thread was created as an outlet for Socially Acceptable Targeting. Had it been the picture of an overweight or obese woman like I mentioned earlier on in the thread, most people wouldn't have been so open about insulting the woman's physical appearance.
As Poli said earlier, I don't think most people have been unnecessarily insulting; they've simply expressed that excessive muscles, on men or women, aren't attractive to them.

Just as, I'd imagine, most folks would say that they don't find obese men or women attractive either.

Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

Maybe you're getting old, I don't know; anyway your aesthetical ability hasn't been impaired.


IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GORGONZOLA...

(by the way, extreme body builders aren't attractive. they're quite disproportionated)

I'm someone who has the right of free speech and exercises it in any way he sees fit, that's who.

Oh, someone else who confuses the right to free speech with the right to insult people whenever he/she pleases...

The world is a better place for people like you. :rolleyes:

Oh, someone else who confuses the right to free speech with the right to insult people whenever he/she pleases...

I don't know what they say in Ireland, nor do I care, but in the USA there's no confusion at all. My right to free speech absolutely includes "the right to insult people" whenever I please. Just ask Don Rickles, hockey puck :tongue:

The world is a better place for people like you. :rolleyes:

Absolutely. Far better the honest expression of opinions than phony protestations grounded in PC wimpishness.

Absolutely. Far better the honest expression of opinions than phony protestations grounded in PC wimpishness.

Does that mean I can tell you what I think of you, Leeroy? That you accept it and won't EVER construe it as flaming, and will even make sure you tell the mods you won't get annoyed?

IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GORGONZOLA...

(by the way, extreme body builders aren't attractive. they're quite disproportionated)

I would've gone for: HOLY EDAM, you see. *nod*
It has more character.

It's not a body I'd like on a woman OR a man.

Does that mean I can tell you what I think of you, Leeroy? That you accept it and won't EVER construe it as flaming, and will even make sure you tell the mods you won't get annoyed?

Don't be silly. It's only terrorism when brown people do it, it's only bad if liberals do it... and free speech is only free if it's the right speech.

I may never have another erection again. Nightmares, on the other hand, are an absolute certainty.

I don't know what they say in Ireland, nor do I care, but in the USA there's no confusion at all. My right to free speech absolutely includes "the right to insult people" whenever I please.

Indeed. And since you have that right, you MUST of course use it at every opportunity you get. Because people that choose not to be arseholes hate freedom, right ?

Whoa a free speech discussion in a body building thread, NSG needs its own Godwin.

I think that's an awesome body with a presentable face, eventhough she may not be sexually attractive.

As Poli said earlier, I don't think most people have been unnecessarily insulting; they've simply expressed that excessive muscles, on men or women, aren't attractive to them.

Just as, I'd imagine, most folks would say that they don't find obese men or women attractive either.

Except that at current readings, over 62.5% of people who voted in this thread picked "No way man that's fugly" as opposed to 30% who simply picked "No". Which statistically contradicts the notion that most of the posters haven't been unnecessarily insulting, as if there were such a thing as "necessarily insulting" to begin with.

Or perhaps it wasn't intended to insult - maybe it's just because their initial reaction really was "oh my goodness that is the exact opposite of arousing."

But you know I guess we could censor our own thoughts so you're not annoyed at us for essentially acting human.

No. I like some muscle on women but that is too much.

Except that at current readings, over 62.5% of people who voted in this thread picked "No way man that's fugly" as opposed to 30% who simply picked "No". Which statistically contradicts the notion that most of the posters haven't been unnecessarily insulting, as if there were such a thing as "necessarily insulting" to begin with.

I read every post in the thread so far. The very few posters who were deliberately insulting might seem like "most of" the posters, only because they (New Mitanni in particular) posted several times. The majority said "no" and gave reasons, Wilgrove professed to be getting a bit hot, and Kahless Khan judged the woman's body by the standard it is obviously displayed for, a body-building aesthetic.

You cannot say that "most posters" were insulting when that isn't born out by the very posts we can all see for ourselves.

And appealing to the poll to make some case that posters were insulting in their intentions ... well, that is desperately weak.

I don't know what they say in Ireland, nor do I care, but in the USA there's no confusion at all. My right to free speech absolutely includes "the right to insult people" whenever I please. Just ask Don Rickles, hockey puck :tongue:



Absolutely. Far better the honest expression of opinions than phony protestations grounded in PC wimpishness.

Well, that would explain one or two things about US society, I guess....

Indeed. And since you have that right, you MUST of course use it at every opportunity you get. Because people that choose not to be arseholes hate freedom, right ?

*Shrugs*

I AM still waiting for his waiver.

Whoa a free speech discussion in a body building thread, NSG needs its own Godwin.

I think that's an awesome body with a presentable face, eventhough she may not be sexually attractive.

Certainly impressive all right. She could probably pop coal between her ass cheeks and produce diamonds.

I read every post in the thread so far. The very few posters who were deliberately insulting might seem like "most of" the posters, only because they (New Mitanni in particular) posted several times. The majority said "no" and gave reasons, Wilgrove professed to be getting a bit hot, and Kahless Khan judged the woman's body by the standard it is obviously displayed for, a body-building aesthetic.

You cannot say that "most posters" were insulting when that isn't born out by the very posts we can all see for ourselves.

And appealing to the poll to make some case that posters were insulting in their intentions ... well, that is desperately weak.

Here's New Mitanni's post...

Utterly revolting. That freak should just have an addadictomy and renounce any further connection to the female sex. Or better yet, get rid of the steroids and revert to something approximating a female appearance.

And then here's a few more posts that went out of their way to be insulting to the woman, and they're not from New Mitanni...

Now, I think we've found another erection killer. :eek:

Which one is the woman?

After the operation, the one on the left will be.

I don't mean to be too vulgar, but with all the steroids she's taken, it would be fun and sexy to play with her enlarged clitoris. The best of both worlds.

Nasty. Men don't look good like that, but on a woman...

Urrgh. Sick. In the uncool way.

The proper question is "a female what?"

I may never have another erection again. Nightmares, on the other hand, are an absolute certainty.

Again, why go for "Fugly" when "No" would have sufficed? Yeah, nothing says 'Gender Equality' like a need to be condescending and insulting to a woman who shapes her body in a manner that conventional Western society deems more acceptable on a male anatomy than a female. Because she doesn't fill out the traditional role of wide hips and big tits it's perfectly fine to make jokes about her being a deformed genderless sexually repulsive freak of nature.

Am I the only one who doesn't like her hair?

Her body is not the most attractive I've ever seen, but definitely fine. She probably looks pretty good when she isn't actively trying to flex every muscle in her body and covered in oil.

But that hair?

Am I the only one who doesn't like her hair?

Her body is not the most attractive I've ever seen, but definitely fine. She probably looks pretty good when she isn't actively trying to flex every muscle in her body and covered in oil.

But that hair?

Part of the image. It, like her body, probably looks a lot better when it's not covered in oil.

Part of the image. It, like her body, probably looks a lot better when it's not covered in oil.

I was thinking she may have done something with her hair for whatever competition or show she was doing at the time. I still don't like it.

I was thinking she may have done something with her hair for whatever competition or show she was doing at the time. I still don't like it.

Yeah, it clearly has a gallon of moose/gel/grease/whatever in it to keep it from moving a centimeter while she's on stage. I think it's doing its job of not really being noticeable.

What I don't get/can't stand is why, in competitions such as this, the female bodybuilders feel it is necessary to cake on makeup as if they're a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader?

Again, why go for "Fugly" when "No" would have sufficed? Yeah, nothing says 'Gender Equality' like a need to be condescending and insulting to a woman who shapes her body in a manner that conventional Western society deems more acceptable on a male anatomy than a female. Because she doesn't fill out the traditional role of wide hips and big tits it's perfectly fine to make jokes about her being a deformed genderless sexually repulsive freak of nature.

You're both right. It's roughly a 50/50 split between people who are discussing this topic maturely and people who are acting like insecure, horny 15 year old boys.

You're both right. It's roughly a 50/50 split between people who are discussing this topic maturely and people who are acting like insecure, horny 15 year old boys.

I AM insecure and horny...

But right now I'm mostly blameless. :p

You're both right. It's roughly a 50/50 split between people who are discussing this topic maturely and people who are acting like insecure, horny 15 year old boys.

Thought experiment:

http://cheeju.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/fattest-man3.jpg

Is this man attractive?

Thought experiment:

http://cheeju.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/fattest-man3.jpg

Is this man attractive?

Woo, come to papa!

Woo, come to papa!

He will eat you. :p

Thought experiment:

http://cheeju.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/fattest-man3.jpg

Is this man attractive?

Not in the slightest.

Not in the slightest.

A simple "No" would have sufficed, you know.

A simple "No" would have sufficed, you know.

Yeah, it probably would have. Are you done hijacking?

Yeah, it probably would have. Are you done hijacking?

Yeah, I'm done.

You're both right. It's roughly a 50/50 split between people who are discussing this topic maturely and people who are acting like insecure, horny 15 year old boys.

I'll settle for that. Gauthier quoted eight "fugly" opinions. Poliwanacraca quoted seven "no" opinions, and I could quote more which don't indulge in hate. It's not a preponderance either way.

Yeah, nothing says 'Gender Equality' like a need to be condescending and insulting to a woman who shapes her body in a manner that conventional Western society deems more acceptable on a male anatomy than a female. Because she doesn't fill out the traditional role of wide hips and big tits it's perfectly fine to make jokes about her being a deformed genderless sexually repulsive freak of nature.

Yeah, nothing says "Pretentious Leftie Pontification" like the need to post anti-"conventional Western society" blasts and defend not "filling out the traditional role of wide hips and big tits." :rolleyes:

And the object of this thread is hardly a "freak of nature." It's a freak of deliberate choice. A deformed genderless sexually repulsive freak of deliberate choice.

He will eat you. :p

"Get in my belly!" -- Fat Bastard

"Get in my belly!" -- Fat Bastard

The most accurate depiction of your average Scot ever shown in a film, IMO.

Except that at current readings, over 62.5% of people who voted in this thread picked "No way man that's fugly" as opposed to 30% who simply picked "No". Which statistically contradicts the notion that most of the posters haven't been unnecessarily insulting, as if there were such a thing as "necessarily insulting" to begin with.

I agree that "no, that is fugly" is not as polite as "no, quite the opposite I fear". However, that last one was not given as a poll option.

Note: I picked the normal no. But I do not think the people that picked fugly are unnecessarily rude.

Yeah, nothing says "Pretentious Leftie Pontification" like the need to post anti-"conventional Western society" blasts and defend not "filling out the traditional role of wide hips and big tits." :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit silly myself.

But you've outdone it.

And the object of this thread is hardly a "freak of nature." It's a freak of deliberate choice. A deformed genderless sexually repulsive freak of deliberate choice.

Like all bodybuilders ... right?

If you insist on calling what seems to me to be a woman "it," then what you are referring to is nothing but a bodybuilder. The bodybuilder's gender doesn't come into the question according to your own terms.

Therefore, you find all bodybuilders deformed and sexually repulsive ... correct?

the most accurate depiction of your average scot ever shown in a film, imo.

lol

lol

They eat deep fried Mars bars, for God's sake.

If you insist on calling what seems to me to be a woman "it," then what you are referring to is nothing but a bodybuilder. The bodybuilder's gender doesn't come into the question according to your own terms.

Therefore, you find all bodybuilders deformed and sexually repulsive ... correct?

Yes, as to "deformed", and yes if I were a woman, as to "sexually repulsive." I think contemporary male bodybuilders look freakish and ridiculous. So you're knocking at an open door.

And I was applying G's own language to the object of this discussion, so I'd hardly call it "outdoing it."

They eat deep fried Mars bars, for God's sake.

And I thought Texas-style chicken-fried bacon was pushing it :D

I agree that "no, that is fugly" is not as polite as "no, quite the opposite I fear". However, that last one was not given as a poll option.

Note: I picked the normal no. But I do not think the people that picked fugly are unnecessarily rude.

And I wasn't rude when I wrote as an option. That woman is beyond ugly which makes her fugly.

Again, why go for "Fugly" when "No" would have sufficed?

Maybe because "I don't find that attractive," and "I find that to be exceedingly unattractive," are actually two different sentiments?

Yeah, nothing says 'Gender Equality' like a need to be condescending and insulting to a woman who shapes her body in a manner that conventional Western society deems more acceptable on a male anatomy than a female.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but most people who have expressed distaste for the look have said it is equally distasteful on a man. This really isn't about gender equality. It's about a particular aesthetic that not only doesn't appeal to many people - but they often tend to find it downright repulsive.

And I thought Texas-style chicken-fried bacon was pushing it :D

Dude, that actually sounds tasty.

Again, why go for "Fugly" when "No" would have sufficed?

Because I gave the option to chose fugly or No. :rolleyes:

Dude, that actually sounds tasty.

http://www.recipezaar.com/Chicken-Fried-Bacon-WCream-Gravy-156010

Indulge :)

Well, if you don't find black female bodybuilders attractive, more for the rest of us.

Because I gave the option to chose fugly or No. :rolleyes:

He's begging the question. "No" would not have sufficed.

http://www.recipezaar.com/Chicken-Fried-Bacon-WCream-Gravy-156010

Indulge :)

*does so* :D

Thanks!

Well, if you don't find black female bodybuilders attractive, more for the rest of us.

It's not a racial issue, so don't even go there. If Beyonce blew up to those proportions she'd be fugly too.

Of course not. If it was a man, he'd be a manly man whose manliness ought to be admired by other manly men.
The sad thing is, I think that's what NM wold actually say.

We're men, we're manly men, we're men in tights!
We roam around the forest looking for fights!
We're butch!

It's not a racial issue, so don't even go there. If Beyonce blew up to those proportions she'd be fugly too.

Who says it can't be a racial issue? Everyone's got their own issues.

Yes, as to "deformed", and yes if I were a woman, as to "sexually repulsive." I think contemporary male bodybuilders look freakish and ridiculous. So you're knocking at an open door.

Just giving you a chance to give your opinion on extreme muscle mass. I think it is relevant given that the subject of the thread is a bodybuilder.

I can't help noticing that you express a somewhat different view of male bodybuilders: they look freakish, not are freaks, and are ridiculous rather than revolting.

It's a small difference, but it's the words you chose. Women are what they look like, to you. They don't just "look freakish" ... they "are freaks." Men however remain real men despite looking like an inflated bladder ... just a bad look ...

Just giving you a chance to give your opinion on extreme muscle mass. I think it is relevant given that the subject of the thread is a bodybuilder.

I can't help noticing that you express a somewhat different view of male bodybuilders: they look freakish, not are freaks, and are ridiculous rather than revolting.

Contemporary male bodybuilders take muscular development to absurd extremes, but the appearance they achieve is still an (absurdly) exaggerated male figure. The object of this thread not only has taken muscular development to an absurd extreme, but has substituted an imitation of a male figure for a female figure. The difference is qualititative as well as quantitative.

It's a small difference, but it's the words you chose.

"This is the business we've chosen!" -- Hyman Roth

Women are what they look like, to you.

No, this particular specimen who was born with two X chromosomes is what it looks like to me--a freak.

Overgeneralization and spin won't get you very far with me.

They don't just "look freakish" ... they "are freaks." Men however remain real men despite looking like an inflated bladder ... just a bad look ...

See above.

It's not a racial issue, so don't even go there. If Beyonce blew up to those proportions she'd be fugly too.

Do you think interracial porn is racist?

It can be about race without being racist, you know.

Do you think interracial porn is racist?

It can be about race without being racist, you know.

No, I don't think interracial porn is racist. Don't quite know what that has to do with the subject at hand, though.

But just to make things perfectly clear, the following link provides a corresponding white example of fugliness and freakishness:

http://www.female-bodybuilders.org/members/videoclip.php?lang=en&cod_video=0234

No, I don't think interracial porn is racist. Don't quite know what that has to do with the subject at hand, though.
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I don't know. You brought up racism.

Contemporary male bodybuilders take muscular development to absurd extremes, but the appearance they achieve is still an (absurdly) exaggerated male figure. The object of this thread not only has taken muscular development to an absurd extreme, but has substituted an imitation of a male figure for a female figure. The difference is qualititative as well as quantitative.

It doesn't look to me like she had any surgery to make her body any more masculine. She has done exactly what a male body builder has done - emphasized her muscles to an (IMO) absurd degree.

Are muscles automatically masculine?

Do you think interracial porn is racist?

Depends if it is advertised as people with different skincolour, or as people of different races.

It can be about race without being racist, you know.

No, it cannot. If you classify human beings in different groups based solely on their skincolour you are a racist. Even if you consider the (insert colour here) person to be the most noble and admirable type of human imaginable.

Depends if it is advertised as people with different skincolour, or as people of different races.



No, it cannot. If you classify human beings in different groups based solely on their skincolour you are a racist. Even if you consider the (insert colour here) person to be the most noble and admirable type of human imaginable.

Well, often porn sites aren't being specific about whether or not they are basing it on 'race' or skin colour. I would assume that it is more the former than the latter.

I'm not sure that being attracted to, for example, big black asses, counts as racism. For one thing, it's not really conscious. Secondly, it's not really a generalisation. After all, you're not saying that you think all black asses are hawt, just that if you were to see a nice round white ass and nice round ass black ass, you would simply prefer the latter for your venereal pleasure.

Maybe it is a bit racist. Perhaps from a theoretical viewpoint, as I have trouble seeing practical problems arising from wanting other-racial action. If an interracial couple feels attracted to each other and this attraction is based partly on race, I am not going to get worked up about what they do.

I don't know. You brought up racism.

Put racism to bed will you, Obama is President and racism is dead. :rolleyes:

Do you think interracial porn is racist?

It can be about race without being racist, you know.

It's not racist. But I'd like to see something more besides "Black Man With Equestrian Penis Makes Tiny White Woman Scream Her Head Off" labeled as "Interracial Porn." Frankly that's like calling Taco Bell "Mexican Cuisine."

I'm not sure that being attracted to, for example, big black asses, counts as racism. For one thing, it's not really conscious. Secondly, it's not really a generalisation. After all, you're not saying that you think all black asses are hawt, just that if you were to see a nice round white ass and nice round ass black ass, you would simply prefer the latter for your venereal pleasure.

But now you are talking about preferring certain skin colours. You are not saying you believe that black and white people are different races.

But now you are talking about preferring certain skin colours. You are not saying you believe that black and white people are different races.

I don't think that people's libidos think about things that carefully.

I don't think that people's libidos think about things that carefully.

My libido has a manifesto.

Except that at current readings, over 62.5% of people who voted in this thread picked "No way man that's fugly" as opposed to 30% who simply picked "No".
Is perceiving something as fucking ugly now an indicator of patriarchal bias/inherent sexism?

No, I don't think interracial porn is racist. Don't quite know what that has to do with the subject at hand, though.

But just to make things perfectly clear, the following link provides a corresponding white example of fugliness and freakishness:

http://www.female-bodybuilders.org/members/videoclip.php?lang=en&cod_video=0234
She's actually not as developed as the lady in the OP (who, to my tastes, is overdeveloped)... and looks more attractive to me. But again, that's only my opinion.

She's actually not as developed as the lady in the OP (who, to my tastes, is overdeveloped)... and looks more attractive to me. But again, that's only my opinion.

They're both more of a man than I am... :(

hell no

It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a man, either. Body builders of both genders are just gross.

I agree, I have never found muscle bound men attractive. Uuugh. But it looks even worse on a woman.

God, that thing looks like it should be fighting Rocky Balboa in Siberia.

I gotta say though ... I'm not one to make fun of people.. If I were to be walking through the grocery store and saw her.. I wouldn't cringe or anything. I'd actually just figure that must be her thing. I'd probably think about why for a bit.. but I wouldn't sweat her. I guess I'd hope she was happy and healthy.

random song: RATT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG51nwQsfAA)

I'd hit that.

I'd hit that.


yeah RaTTs hot.

I was referring to the OP. I mean, imagine her vaginal muscles! Oh my God, she could rip my dick right off! I don't understand why I'm the only one imagining the possibilities.

I was referring to the OP. I mean, imagine her vaginal muscles! Oh my God, she could rip my dick right off! I don't understand why I'm the only one imagining the possibilities.


I was kidding. I know. I was just about to edit my post , so in case I got in trouble.. they'd know you weren't involved.

The kegel would be awesome or terrible.. dunno heh

I was referring to the OP. I mean, imagine her vaginal muscles! Oh my God, she could rip my dick right off! I don't understand why I'm the only one imagining the possibilities.

I see where you're going, but it doesn't actually work that way. Bodybuilders don't develop muscles for increased strength. They develop muscles that look impressive while all greased up and flexing. So, muscles that aren't transparently visible on stage are generally ignored.

If you want a woman with vaginal muscles that could rip your dick right off, you're better off looking at the women in the World's Strongest Woman competition. Aneta Florczyk (http://www.strongman.pl/zdjecia/news_432_11.jpg) has won the competition four years in a row now.

Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/400,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fap%2F20090307%2Fcapt.f8286e5f34d34eb19a0324a4f8fb2fcf.aptopix_ arnold_schwarzenegger_ohjl102.jpg?v=2
Fugly is too kind a word, but it gets my vote.

I'd hit that.

She'd hit you back and erase you from existence.

:eek:

recognize yourself? :tongue:(

ummm, I have a much bigger chest than him...

:)

The thing that's unattractive about body builders in general is the emaciated, water-starved, just-paper-thin-skin-over-muscle-and-bone look that most rationale people associate with an anatomy chart rather than a healthy, attractive person. Give those folks a few percent body fat and they look human again. That gal might look like a woman again if she had a few sandwiches and wasn't "pumped up" all the time.

That said, I don't go in for heavily muscled women, though I woulnd't mind a few of those muscles myself. I wouldn't mind having her body, I wouldn't want to HAVE her body, if you see what I mean.

I dont think people male or female who are that muscle bound are particularly mentally healthy people to begin with. Overdone body builders are a typically insecure yet self centered egocentric look at me class of people. Lets face it, anyone who is that into themselves has no time or inclination to be into anyone or anything that doesnt involve toning lats and in my humble opinion thats just not healthy nor attractive.

If you want a woman with vaginal muscles that could rip your dick right off, you're better off looking at the women in the World's Strongest Woman competition. Aneta Florczyk (http://www.strongman.pl/zdjecia/news_432_11.jpg) has won the competition four years in a row now.

And unlike the woman in this thread, she's reasonably attractive. A bit scary insofar as she looks like she could probably kill you with one finger, but, y'know, basically person-shaped and healthy and stuff. :p

Interesting. See, irrelevant. That's how I describe what your putting here.

The topic at hand is if the lady in the picture is attractive or not. There is even a poll on it. My argument is relevant to the topic at hand. Could I claim here that you are trying to hijack this thread? Yes, I think so.

Do I care though? No, not really. Carry on.

the question means little unless it includes "attractive to who?" (or "whom?" since you're Grammarreich ;) ). I bet most of us know somebody we wouldn't kiss with somebody else's mouth, but they have a partner or spouse that's really into them, and we just look and wonder why. judging by her size next to Arnie, this woman looks to be almost as big as me and way better cut than I am, and I appreciate the work and refinement of her body. she's a work of art. but she's not a turn-on for me. my taste in women is more along the lines of Michelle Pfeiffer. that's just how it is.

I travel a lot normally, and I have friends from other cultures that consider a good-looking woman to be what you'd call large. they want meat on the bone and padding on the saddle. the kind of women we'd call fat. that look just doesn't interest me, but it's essential to them.

so we all know we're all just saying our own opinion. no need to get hot about it. beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.

and I bet that woman body-builder has somebody that thinks she's amazing. good luck to them both.

Yeah, it clearly has a gallon of moose/gel/grease/whatever in it to keep it from moving a centimeter while she's on stage. I think it's doing its job of not really being noticeable.

What I don't get/can't stand is why, in competitions such as this, the female bodybuilders feel it is necessary to cake on makeup as if they're a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader?

moose? I think it's amazing if they can turn a moose into something spreadable ...

but seriously, I've seen women compete without the greasy kid stuff on their hair. I've even seen them compete without the clown's face. this woman would've looked fantastic with her hair in those corn rows and if she'd used a smaller trowel to apply the face paint. but that's just my opinion.

They eat deep fried Mars bars, for God's sake.
And I thought Texas-style chicken-fried bacon was pushing it :D

the Scottish guy I know would deep-fry your sandals and eat them if he got hungry. he claims Scotland is in contention for heart-attack capital of Europe. I hope he's joking.

I dont think people male or female who are that muscle bound are particularly mentally healthy people to begin with. Overdone body builders are a typically insecure yet self centered egocentric look at me class of people. Lets face it, anyone who is that into themselves has no time or inclination to be into anyone or anything that doesnt involve toning lats and in my humble opinion thats just not healthy nor attractive.

that's such a sad stereotype I don't know where to start. sure, there are "egocentric look at me" people among body builders. and among football players, baseball players, basketball players, martial artists, hockey players, and just about any other kind of athlete you can name, and even people who don't do much except sit around all day. being egocentric isn't confined to one kind of hobby.

but there are also a lot of ordinary folks who found that the discipline and commitment and cameraderie of their sport including body building gives them a sense of direction and perspective, and teaches them to get their heads out of their asses and become nicer people.

try visiting some gyms, look past the show-offs and look at the hard-core people. you'll be surprised.

Somehow this woman's body just plain doesn't look attractive to me. It isn't the kind of body I expect to find on a woman. Am I getting old or what?

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/400,http%3A%2F%2Fd.yimg.com%2Fa%2Fp%2Fap%2F20090307%2Fcapt.f8286e5f34d34eb19a0324a4f8fb2fcf.aptopix_ arnold_schwarzenegger_ohjl102.jpg?v=2

she looks like she could whomp my ass

PHOTOSHOPPED :p

she shouldn't use so many steroids!

doesn't she know that will make her testicles shrink?