NationStates Jolt Archive

A forbes article on mass unemployment stated whats been on my mind lately with regards to the economy and its relation to everything else.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/04/unemployment-europe-economy-business_oxford.html?partner=contextstory

Political pressure. Neither model of training policy--entrenched institutional deep training or short-term responses to unemployed needs--is well placed to cope if unemployment surges. Carefully constructed national social pacts are highly vulnerable to this economic crisis. These are robust during normal counter-cyclical periods but insufficiently robust during a period of mass unemployment:
Oxford Analytica
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* Inflation Is A Risky Road Out Of Crisis

* Mass Unemployment Escalates

* Emerging Markets Face Growing Risk

* Health Care Reforms Needed

* Southeast Asia Tackles Economic Mess

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--In France, street protests and strikes are routine.

--In Ireland 120,000 protesters took to the streets in the first of a series of protests on Feb. 20.

--Protests have occurred in Latvia, Greece and Iceland, in the latter case forcing the sitting government out of office.

--In Greece, underlying hostility to the state especially among the young who suffer unemployment disproportionately bodes ill for social peace.

This political atmosphere is ripe for nationalist xenophobia and extremist political parties or movements. Recession damages cosmopolitanism, advantaging insularity and small-mindedness. Anti-foreign sentiment emerges or recurs immediately with economic depression. The demographic structure of the new unemployed is also of concern. All classes of occupations are affected, from temporary blue-collar workers to highly qualified lawyers, bankers and other white-collar workers. As unemployment endures, this commonality of experience across so many parts of the labor force will encourage common alliances structured around hostility to groups such as foreigners.

So, what to do? Share your experiences. Do you think nationalist xenophobia, extreme political parties, etc, are becoming more numerous/prevalent/influential? Are you concerned about it, or are you content that they'll never round you up in the middle of the night some day? Are you loading up on weapons and supplies? Are you or anyone you know unemployed? Have you ever looked at a shopping center and thought about the best way to loot it when the riots come? Do you blame the immigrants, the illegals, the blacks, the Hispanics, the Zionists, the Jews, the liberals, the democrats, Obama, Muslims, foreigners, terrorists?

source? its alarmist tripe either way the situation that was prevalent in such rises of extremists are not due to a simple recession

*points that the crazies had an upswing in 2003-2004*

Aye having no money while some foreigners or whatever do makes people uppity, in areas full of plebs like the Balkans and Stoke-on-Trent this means more votes for the extreme right. Still, I doubt we'll be getting a rerun of the thirties tbqh.

I won't lie I dislike seeing American companies hiring foreign workers while large numbers of Americans are out of work. It pisses me off and strikes me as utterly unpatriotic, especially illegal workers. Some say "They do the jobs Americans won't." I say, "They do the jobs Americans wont for 50 cents an hour."

I won't lie I dislike seeing American companies hiring foreign workers while large numbers of Americans are out of work. It pisses me off and strikes me as utterly unpatriotic, especially illegal workers. Some say "They do the jobs Americans won't." I say, "They do the jobs Americans wont for 50 cents an hour."

You're looking for patriotism in an organization specifically made to make money? *pokes* How long have you been on this 'Earth' place?

North European heterosexual christian male. Meh. I think I'll be safe regardless what lunatics take over or don't take over the country. I'm not really bothered with politics and couldn't care less about who is in power, I'll just take it as it comes.

I won't lie I dislike seeing American companies hiring foreign workers while large numbers of Americans are out of work. It pisses me off and strikes me as utterly unpatriotic, especially illegal workers. Some say "They do the jobs Americans won't." I say, "They do the jobs Americans wont for 50 cents an hour."I'm pretty sure it's 'It's a business, and the point of liberty and capitalism is that it can hire whoever it damn well wants.'

Patriotism is for commies.

I won't lie I dislike seeing American companies hiring foreign workers while large numbers of Americans are out of work. It pisses me off and strikes me as utterly unpatriotic, especially illegal workers. Some say "They do the jobs Americans won't." I say, "They do the jobs Americans wont for 50 cents an hour."

I consider hiring illegal workers to get around paying them a decent wage or live up to appropriate hiring practices they would normally by employing a legal worker is downright unethical and morally deplorable. I consider hiring a foreign worker because they could do the job better to be fine and part of a decent regulated free market economy.

It is obvious the only way to save the worlds economies is national socialism.

It is obvious the only way to save the worlds economies is national socialism.

Or less socialism. Socialism costs governments a LOT of money and even the US government can't continue borrowing money forever.

But nobody wants to cut spending. Even supposedly anti-pork politicians in Washington are reluctant to stop spending money on "pigsmell research". That right there takes porkspending to a whole new level of "literal".

I partially blame the Swiss banks. They're swimming in illegally-untaxed US dollars while the US government has to borrow money. And it can't borrow from the states because the states have no money left.

Or less socialism. Socialism costs governments a LOT of money and even the US government can't continue borrowing money forever.

But nobody wants to cut spending. Even supposedly anti-pork politicians in Washington are reluctant to stop spending money on "pigsmell research". That right there takes porkspending to a whole new level of "literal".

I partially blame the Swiss banks. They're swimming in illegally-untaxed US dollars while the US government has to borrow money. And it can't borrow from the states because the states have no money left.
i think you missed what I was saying. National socialism is Fascism.... actually has little to do with socialism.

i think you missed what I was saying. National socialism is Fascism.... actually has little to do with socialism.

regular socialism is expensive too and the US just doesn't have the money. It may act like it does, with all its pigsmell-related pork spending, but it doesn't. You'd have to regulate it and spend money on welfare crap because capitalist crap is the wrong shade of brown. Then the taxes. Oh dear god the taxes. Those people living in double-wides are going to piss their rich-ass selves. Of course, when you tax everyone that much, because no government spending bill passes without a lot of pork, you might as well be Soviet Russia.

With Mexican drugcartel violence spilling into the US and Canada, it would be better to spend money on giving everyone guns. If it stops homocidal Palestinian construction workers, it'll stop drug cartels. That's what the government needs to waste its money on. Arming a populous that might get too murdered to death to call the cops. Because if it's thing cops have too little of, it's teleportation devices.

okay.... hi I am greed and death. Generally I am not serious.

regular socialism is expensive too and the US just doesn't have the money. It may act like it does, with all its pigsmell-related pork spending, but it doesn't. You'd have to regulate it and spend money on welfare crap because capitalist crap is the wrong shade of brown. Then the taxes. Oh dear god the taxes. Those people living in double-wides are going to piss their rich-ass selves. Of course, when you tax everyone that much, because no government spending bill passes without a lot of pork, you might as well be Soviet Russia.

With Mexican drugcartel violence spilling into the US and Canada, it would be better to spend money on giving everyone guns. If it stops homocidal Palestinian construction workers, it'll stop drug cartels. That's what the government needs to waste its money on. Arming a populous that might get too murdered to death to call the cops. Because if it's thing cops have too little of, it's teleportation devices.

Or better yet, end the insane War on Drugs. Legalize drugs and watch incidences of drug-related crime decline dramatically. Just look at the effect Roosevelt's repeal of Prohibition had on the crime rate at the time. It plummeted.

It is obvious the only way to save the worlds economies is national socialism.Spiffy uniforms for everyone would definitely help the textile industry.

And setting things on fire shall boost the struggling construction companies.

Hum. Yeah.

I, for one, support this plan.

Spiffy uniforms for everyone would definitely help the textile industry.

And setting things on fire shall boost the struggling construction companies.

Hum. Yeah.

I, for one, support this plan.

outstanding. I need you to organize my Schutzstaffel. Ensure their utter loyalty to me.

Nationals should get jobs first. Not Mexicans in the US and not Poles in the UK. To save the Economy British people need money not only to buy the essentials ( which less and less now can) they need to have surplus money spend like in the 20's in the US. If the recession continues then I think that extreme political parties will continue to rise in popularity.

I'm pretty sure it's 'It's a business, and the point of liberty and capitalism is that it can hire whoever it damn well wants.'

Patriotism is for commies.

Henry Ford understood from the very beginning that is was better to give his workers a wage that was high enough so that his own workers would be able to afford the product. It's sad that the modern automobile industry is so short sighted that they can't see that making their primary market poor and unemployed, by removing those employment opportunities to foreign nations, is going to hurt them big time in the future.

Henry Ford understood from the very beginning that is was better to give his workers a wage that was high enough so that his own workers would be able to afford the product. It's sad that the modern automobile industry is so short sighted that they can't see that making their primary market poor and unemployed, by removing those employment opportunities to foreign nations, is going to hurt them big time in the future.

i didnt realize that between 28 and 39(depending how overtime and holiday pay is figured) dollars an hour couldn't afford a car?

i didnt realize that between 28 and 39(depending how overtime and holiday pay is figured) dollars an hour couldn't afford a car?

Who can purchase more cars? 1000 American autoworkers on a livable wage or 1000 Chinese autoworkers on a slave wage?

Who can purchase more cars? 1000 American autoworkers on a livable wage or 1000 Chinese autoworkers on a slave wage?

how many Chinese auto workers make US cars ???

though the Chinese market is something we should look to exploit.
the Chinese have this irrational belief that anything they get from Germany and Japan (especially Japan) is outdated, or defective. they think the Japanese and their old WWII ally is trying to screw china over.

Well, on the plus side, the German Neonazi party (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aqpZP97tzdag) has just run out of money and may well have to disappear. Ironically (perhaps), they probably lost a fair bit of cash on the share market.

Well, on the plus side, the German Neonazi party (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aqpZP97tzdag) has just run out of money and may well have to disappear. Ironically (perhaps), they probably lost a fair bit of cash on the share market.

they had invested heavily with Madoff apparently.

outstanding. I need you to organize my Schutzstaffel. Ensure their utter loyalty to me.Working on it.

We'll have to change the whole concept of national socialism a bit, of course. Hitler had some good ideas, but he also made a number of errors that are to be avoided.

Specifically... Since men are the stronger gender, they are to serve society in either the military or the police forces (Aryans) or as basic labour (Everyone else)
Women need to be restricted to activities that allow them to also fulfill their role as mothers, yet still serve the fatherland; basically, the intellectual activities: Science, arts, etc (Non-Aryans: Secretaries); everything that doesn't require masculine-level physical strength
To reinforce genderroles, and recognising the need for sexual fulfillment when away from husband/ wife, homosexual activity is to be encouraged; some 'Classic' nazis had some good ideas there (Röhm), and we should use those as a basis.There is more, but these shall suffice for now.

Well, on the plus side, the German Neonazi party (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aqpZP97tzdag) has just run out of money and may well have to disappear. Ironically (perhaps), they probably lost a fair bit of cash on the share market.
Ahahaha fuckin plebs.

Well, on the plus side, the German Neonazi party has just run out of money and may well have to disappear. Ironically (perhaps), they probably lost a fair bit of cash on the share market.

And additionaly, neither them nor the left-wing populists have seen a rise in voter opinion since the beginning of the crisis. Strangely, it is the libertarian, pro-market FDP which has almost doubled its support percentage, according to the newest gallups.
I guess it is because they talk of little else than economics, so people trust them the most to fix economic problems.

And additionaly, neither them nor the left-wing populists have seen a rise in voter opinion since the beginning of the crisis. Strangely, it is the libertarian, pro-market FDP which has almost doubled its support percentage, according to the newest gallups.
I guess it is because they talk of little else than economics, so people trust them the most to fix economic problems.
Or possibly because people are looking to them to become the new kingmakers in a less flawed coalition than the one we currently have in Germany.

CDU + FDP = Pretty good times
SPD + FDP = Sort of works
CDU + SPD = Oh no the fail arrgh I'm on fire.

Spiffy uniforms for everyone would definitely help the textile industry.

And setting things on fire shall boost the struggling construction companies.

Hum. Yeah.

I, for one, support this plan.

outstanding. I need you to organize my Schutzstaffel. Ensure their utter loyalty to me.

And if we round up Mus- er Terrorists, we can also have our Alternative Energy Source in no time as well. Cheap labor, and when that's spent, fuel.

I blame the WASPs. We should kill them.

I blame the WASPs. We should kill them.

luckily the price of gas is ever falling these days :)