NationStates Jolt Archive

For me, Spinal Tap immediately comes to mind.

And I'm not sure if it counts, but The Blair Witch Project. Almost everyone I've met hates it, but it was critically and commercially successful. Does that count?

Passion of the Christ

Cool as Ice.

Cool as Ice.

Never heard of that one. :confused:

Pretty much any movie that Will Farrell/Ashton Kurtcher/Adam Sandler/Ben Stiller is in. You people know the crappy predictable comedy shit that these four spout out every now and then.

You people know the crappy predictable comedy shit that these four spout out every now and then.

Unfortunately.

Never heard of that one. :confused:

it stars Vanilla Ice.

Braveheart.

I don't really know why I dislike it. Perhaps because I thought that Dragonheart was Braveheart until I was 12. :D

Napoleon Dynamite.

Star Wars.

it stars Vanilla Ice.

Doesn't ring a bell (though that might be a good thing :p).

Napoleon Dynamite.

Never saw it. It looks beyond retarded.

Never saw it. It looks beyond retarded.

Oh trust me...it is. It is by far the most idiotic cinematic film to date.

Oh trust me...it is. It is by far the most idiotic cinematic film to date.

I'll second that!! saw the first 15 mins then had to leave or I was going to hit someone...

Never saw it. It looks beyond retarded.

Oh trust me...it is. It is by far the most idiotic cinematic film to date.

I'll second that!! saw the first 15 mins then had to leave or I was going to hit someone...

glad i have absolutely refused to watch those movies.

I never really understood why Solaris, both the original and the remake, were so lauded. The original was groundbreaking, sure, but it's a terrible film. The remake isn't groundbreaking and remains just as terrible.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. Horrific editing, horrific, scratching-out-my-eyeballs acting, terrible direction, pathetic two dimensional characters, generic, cliche storyline. I have no fucking idea why people like it so much. It's awful by every cinematic definition.

The Dark Knight was pretty overrated too, as was Lord of the Rings (I also dislike the book, Tolkien was a hack, a linguist with no literary skill, he wrote on sand using sand). The Shining was one of Kubrick's worst films. Jaws was awful, The Bourne trilogy rubbish, Citizen Kane boring.

I dislike most films in the IMBD top 250, actually. People are stupid.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. Horrific editing, horrific, scratching-out-my-eyeballs acting, terrible direction, pathetic two dimensional characters, generic, cliche storyline. I have no fucking idea why people like it so much. It's awful by every cinematic definition.



HERETIC HERETIC burn him at the stake!!!!!!

HERETIC HERETIC burn him at the stake!!!!!!

The only people worse than Star Wars fanboys are Firefly fanboys. Though at least there's some cinematic quality to Firefly/Serenity. I'd rather be raped by mastodons and shit lava all over myself than watch Star Wars again.

The only people worse than Star Wars fanboys are Firefly fanboys. Though at least there's some cinematic quality to Firefly/Serenity. I'd rather be raped by mastodons and shit lava all over myself than watch Star Wars again.

your only making it worse on your self.
You are a blasphemer and according to the law of god you will be stoned.

Jaws. What a shit film.

The only people worse than Star Wars fanboys are Firefly fanboys. Though at least there's some cinematic quality to Firefly/Serenity. I'd rather be raped by mastodons and shit lava all over myself than watch Star Wars again.

I'd pay to see that. :cool:

(Not necessarily you specifically, but anyone, in general. It would definitely be interesting to watch. :tongue: )

The Dark Knight was pretty overrated too

I'm sure the people of my NS nation would highly resent that. :p

Titanic. I may hang out with the wrong people, but I know plenty who love it.

Gran Torino. It was ok, but just not that great. I couldn't help but think that Clint Eastwood was satirising himself.

I wouldn't say I hated it, but Star Wars films are overrated.
Jaws especially was trite and terrible.

I'm sure the people of my NS nation would highly resent that. :p

The thing about the Dark Knight is... Ledger and Eckhart were awesome, but Christian Bale was annoying and the rest of the movie, while good, didn't deserve the accolade it recieved.

When either Heath or Aaron were on screen though, I very nearly creamed myself. That scene in the hospital... brilliant.

The Deer Hunter. The only good thing about that film is that I got a copy for free so don't have buyers remorse to contend with as well

The Shawshank Redemption is a dreadful film, though only Derren Brown and myself seem to recognise this fact.

Can't think of a movie right now, but a series comes to mind.
The new Battlestar Galactica series to be exact.

I tried watching it, but the religious overtones finally became too much for me.

*edit* The BSG movie Razor..something.. was rather good though.

Beavis and Butthead. Gah, hearing their idiotic laugh makes me want to smash the screen.

The Godfather and it's sequels. Yeah, I said it! They bored me and there's nothing more dangerous than a bored Goofball. *nod*

Passion of the Christ
Yeah, but the only people who liked that are crazies.

Braveheart.

I don't really know why I dislike it. Perhaps because I thought that Dragonheart was Braveheart until I was 12. :D
You obviously dislike it because it's not a good movie. Wise person.

I never really understood why Solaris, both the original and the remake, were so lauded. The original was groundbreaking, sure, but it's a terrible film. The remake isn't groundbreaking and remains just as terrible.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. Horrific editing, horrific, scratching-out-my-eyeballs acting, terrible direction, pathetic two dimensional characters, generic, cliche storyline. I have no fucking idea why people like it so much. It's awful by every cinematic definition.

The Dark Knight was pretty overrated too, as was Lord of the Rings (I also dislike the book, Tolkien was a hack, a linguist with no literary skill, he wrote on sand using sand). The Shining was one of Kubrick's worst films. Jaws was awful, The Bourne trilogy rubbish, Citizen Kane boring.

I dislike most films in the IMBD top 250, actually. People are stupid.
I agree with you (:eek:) on the remake of Solaris, the Dark Knight and Lord of the Rings. The latter two aren't bad per se but they sure as hell aren't anywhere near as good as people on the internet make them out to be.


As usual, I can't think of many right now even though there very much have been some. Bah.

Never saw it. It looks beyond retarded.
Calling Napoleon Dynamite beyond retarded is an insult to movies that are beyond retarded.

Pretty much all the new/remake horror movies coming out now. Blood & gore does not equal scary damn it!

Anchorman and Shawn of the Dead are two films that my friends seem to think are hilarious, but made me cringe at how shit they were.

Anchorman and Shawn of the Dead are two films that my friends seem to think are hilarious, but made me cringe at how shit they were.

I saw Anchorman way after most of my friends has seen it. The way they had gone on about it, I thought it was going to hillarious. Disapointing in the end-although there were a couple of funny moments in it.

I agree with most (not all) of the movies listed so far. I also dislike most of the movies that get to be hugely popular. I agree that modern comedies and modern horror movies are so piss-poor shitty, it makes me think aliens must have abducted all the good writers in those genres. Also, romantic movies are so craprific that I'm starting to wonder if most humans have forgotten how to mate, and if so, where are all those poorly raised children coming from?

But my two contenders for Worst Movie(s)/Series of All Time -- Yes ALL Time are:

Lord of the Rings (trilogy, all fucking 9 wasted hours of it)

and

Dune (both the movie (for which people should have been burnt at the stake) and that pathetic excuse for a series (which was on SciFi -- 'nuff said))

The sheer amount of money and effort wasted on those gigantic piles of shit, as well as the promising material destroyed (true, the original books sucked too, but the plots and characters could have been used to good effect if a good writer had ever gotten near them) renders those movies even worse than the low budget shit churned out by a whore like Uwe Boll. At least less money gets spent on his drek.

Starwars.

Beavis and Butthead. Gah, hearing their idiotic laugh makes me want to smash the screen.

I'm not alone! :hail:

*weeps tears of gratitude*

Calling Napoleon Dynamite beyond retarded is an insult to movies that are beyond retarded.

rofl

The Princess Bride. *runs*

Beavis and Butthead. Gah, hearing their idiotic laugh makes me want to smash the screen.

Agreed.

add to the list...
Wayne's World (both)
ET (not that I hated it per se... but I just can't bring myself to watching it a second time.)
Star Wars (Eps 1 - 3)

and there's probably more...

Star Wars, LoTR and No Country For Old Men, which was roundly praised because journalists love to praise tedious, overly arty shite now and then to justify their own existance.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Loathe it with a passion. No fucking timewarp for anybody!

The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Loathe it with a passion. No fucking timewarp for anybody!
Fuckin' A. That's a film made for drama students -_-

No Country For Old Men
Oh, that reminds me that I pretty much hated There Will Be Blood outside of Daniel Day Lewis' performance.

Anything by David Lynch or Quentin Tarantino.

Oh, that reminds me that I pretty much hated There Will Be Blood outside of Daniel Day Lewis' performance.
I preferred it to No Country to Old Men, but aye, can't say I like it that much.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Loathe it with a passion. No fucking timewarp for anybody!

Blasphemy! If it weren't for Rocky Horror, I'd still be a virgin!


...I just hope she was a woman.

<.<

>.>

High School Musical. Maybe it's only my friends that like it, though considering the 4 (?) sequels that have been made perhaps it is popular.

... No Country For Old Men, which was roundly praised because journalists love to praise tedious, overly arty shite now and then to justify their own existance.

Yeah, I've noticed that for some reason films and any other form of fiction that slaps on a downer ending and a cynical worldview gets all the praise even if it's not much better than anything else out there. (See also Dark Knight, etc.,) I'm not sure why.

I never thought much of the Star Wars movies, or the Indiana Jones movies. I mean, I didn't hate them, just thought they were kind of ... meh, and unmemorable. On the other hand, I don't really watch enough movies to have ever seen anything I really hated, so that may be as far as I can get.

Oh, that reminds me that I pretty much hated There Will Be Blood outside of Daniel Day Lewis' performance.

He was the whole freaking movie!

Anything by David Lynch or Quentin Tarantino.
Me, is that you?
This isn't a reference to anything, just a way of expressing complete agreement
David Lynch is slightly less of a no talent hack than Tarantino (Eraserhead was acceptably surreal), but not by much.

Donnie Darko, Matrix (original), Godfather Part II, Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back, Casablanca, Gone With the Wind, Kurusawa's Seven Samurai, Citizen Kane. Also, the high-budget pornographic adventure film Pirates.

high-budget pornographic adventure film pirates.

?
.......

?
.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film)

It was probably the most popular porno of the year. I thought it would be fun to have the explicit sex put in an entertaining context, but there was just way, way too much filler. Booooooring! My friends liked it, though.

The Big Lebowski, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Lars and the Real Girl and Juno.

High School Musical. Maybe it's only my friends that like it, though considering the 4 (?) sequels that have been made perhaps it is popular.

No, it's pretty popular. It's also shit.

Anyway, I've actually liked most of the movies listed here. Ah, but before anyone accuses me of sucking from society's teat, I feel I should inform you that I can just as arrogantly self-assured in my tastes as the rest of you, so nyah! :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film)

It was probably the most popular porno of the year. I thought it would be fun to have the explicit sex put in an entertaining context, but there was just way, way too much filler. Booooooring! My friends liked it, though.

you sure it wasn't a 'public' version of the movie? lots of porno movies come out with a toned down version for a non x-rating.

Titanic!

Decent effects but lame story!

Never mind the fact they stole from a previous movie.....

Donnie Darko, Matrix (original), Godfather Part II, Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back, Casablanca, Gone With the Wind, Kurusawa's Seven Samurai, Citizen Kane. Also, the high-budget pornographic adventure film Pirates.

People liked the two Godfather sequels? They were shit besides the parts of the second one that covered the backstory of Vito Corleone. I presume that was because that was actually in the book.

Can't think of a movie right now, but a series comes to mind.
The new Battlestar Galactica series to be exact.

I tried watching it, but the religious overtones finally became too much for me.
*sigh* It's pure quality.

Threads like this should be immediately banned from NSG.

Pretty much any movie that Will Farrell/Ashton Kurtcher/Adam Sandler/Ben Stiller is in. You people know the crappy predictable comedy shit that these four spout out every now and then.

You got it. It amazes me that there are so many commercially successful movies starring Will Farrell. They just dress him up in a different costume and send him out to perform the same humor as his last nine films, but this time on a basketball court.. ice rink.. race-track..

Threads like this should be immediately banned from NSG.

Well now. You didn't have to click it.....

You got it. It amazes me that there are so many commercially successful movies starring Will Farrell. They just dress him up in a different costume and send him out to perform the same humor as his last nine films, but this time on a basketball court.. ice rink.. race-track..

It's the same with every American comedy film/tv show. Americans simply aren't funny.

Well now. You didn't have to click it.....

But I did. Threads like this make me want to punch someone in the face. :tongue:

But I did. Threads like this make me want to punch someone in the face. :tongue:

This is why it's important to have a very good friend handy who has a sense of humor and can take a punch. ;)

titanic

star wars

the dark knight--i was so sick of the comic book paradigm that i couldnt wait for the damned thing to end and it made me vow to never pay to see a movie based on a comic book again.

It's the same with every American comedy film/tv show. Americans simply aren't funny.

Clearly you haven't been looking.

Clearly you haven't been looking.

Please suggest a funny American. I'd be very grateful, as I'm a big fan of comedy, and watching Americans try to be funny is painful for me.

Please suggest a funny American. I'd be very grateful, as I'm a big fan of comedy, and watching Americans try to be funny is painful for me.

Wow, it's really not a good idea to apply extremely smug pseudo-analysis of popular films, whilst later on making absurd and evidently highly ignorant statements like this at the same time.

Titanic: I only give it credit for its soundtrack, which is the aesthetic embodiment of redundancy.

Amadeus: Not believable at all.

The first installment of the Bourne series was a decent action film (though "action-films" are not really what I enjoy); the ones that came after it were terrible.

Lord of the Rings: Epic fantasy; we have enough of that supplied to us by mythology.

Just about anything with Mel Gibson in it.

Wow, it's really not a good idea to apply extremely smug pseudo-analysis of popular films, whilst later on making absurd and evidently highly ignorant statements like this at the same time.

What?

I don't see how those two topics are related. Comedy is subjective, as are my opinions on cinema. I'm saying I've never, ever seen a funny American. I'm asking for suggestions to indicate otherwise. You could provide some too, if you think I'm being absurd.

What?

I don't see how those two topics are related. Comedy is subjective, as are my opinions on cinema. I'm saying I've never, ever seen a funny American. I'm asking for suggestions to indicate otherwise. You could provide some too, if you think I'm being absurd.

I don't care if you ever find a funny American, but based on that post, I would say you're clearly not in a position to assert things like "Tolkein was a hack".

I don't care if you ever find a funny American, but based on that post, I would say you're clearly not in a position to assert things like "Tolkein was a hack".

Uh, why? Tolkien was a hack. In my opinion. That is what this thread is about - subjective opinion. If you cannot understand that concept, why are you even posting here?

EDIT: I'm also genuinely curious. Please suggest an American comedian.

Amadeus: Not believable at all.

Were you expecting a biopic?

Were you expecting a biopic?

Not at all; I knew what it was and I did not dislike it for that (I enjoyed Kagemusha very much). What bothered me is the way everyone acted--they all talked and behaved in a modern way, they just put on old-fashioned clothing. I was not emerged in the period, and I could not believe in the Mozart of the film, fictionalized or no.

Uh, why? Tolkien was a hack. In my opinion. That is what this thread is about - subjective opinion. If you cannot understand that concept, why are you even posting here?

I'm not disputing that your opinion is subjective, I'm just claiming that to have the audacity to make some of the claims you do, it's unwise to reveal how... uninformed you are. There are well informed opinions, and there are uninformed opinions, regardless of whether they are subjective.

Please suggest a funny American. I'd be very grateful, as I'm a big fan of comedy, and watching Americans try to be funny is painful for me.

Have you seen Groundhog Day or Being There?

Uh, why? Tolkien was a hack. In my opinion. That is what this thread is about - subjective opinion. If you cannot understand that concept, why are you even posting here?

I would not call him a "hack"; he excelled at his subject, but perhaps you, like I, do not care for his subject.

EDIT: I'm also genuinely curious. Please suggest an American comedian.

The comedian can only act humorous if he has the right part; I would say Bob Hope came closest to being a "good comedian". Steve Martin I generally dislike, but he was excellently cast in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

I'm not disputing that your opinion is subjective, I'm just claiming that to have the audacity to make some of the claims you do, it's unwise to reveal how... uninformed you are. There are well informed opinions, and there are uninformed opinions, regardless of whether they are subjective.

I honestly have no fucking clue what you're trying to get at here. How does my opinion on cinema in any way relate to my opinion of American comedy? I am admittedly uninformed about American comedy because I find it painful to watch. Not so for American cinema, where I am very highly informed (if having watched cinema being the basis for your definition of "informed"). You have absolutely no basis for your claim that I an uninformed.

Have you seen Groundhog Day or Being There?

I've seen Groundhog Day, but not Being There. I didn't find it particularly funny. Amusing in parts, yeah, but largely shit.

Napoleon Dynamite.

I second that.

Please suggest a funny American. I'd be very grateful, as I'm a big fan of comedy, and watching Americans try to be funny is painful for me.
George Carlin.
I'm not disputing that your opinion is subjective, I'm just claiming that to have the audacity to make some of the claims you do, it's unwise to reveal how... uninformed you are. There are well informed opinions, and there are uninformed opinions, regardless of whether they are subjective.
Tolkein is rubbish.

I've seen Groundhog Day, but not Being There. I didn't find it particularly funny. Amusing in parts, yeah, but largely shit.
And I suppose this is brilliant:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/270768653_669c553495_o.jpg

Well, try Being There, because it is satire, which the greatest form of humor.

And I suppose this is brilliant
Shitty part of an otherwise hilarious film.

Uh, why? Tolkien was a hack. In my opinion. That is what this thread is about - subjective opinion. If you cannot understand that concept, why are you even posting here?

EDIT: I'm also genuinely curious. Please suggest an American comedian.

Andy Kaufman? W.C. Fields? Groucho Marx? Lucille Ball?

Pretty much any movie that Will Farrell/Ashton Kurtcher/Adam Sandler/Ben Stiller is in. You people know the crappy predictable comedy shit that these four spout out every now and then.

Amen

George Carlin.

He asked for a funny American

George Carlin.

Tolkein is rubbish.

George Carlin isn't funny. He's vulgar, something Americans think is funny. Like most American humour I've watched, he beats you over the head with punchlines because he assumes his audience are morons. There is nothing subtle there, no real wit, no real intelligence (despite his subject matter).

And I suppose this is brilliant:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/270768653_669c553495_o.jpg

Well, try Being There, because it is satire, which the greatest form of humor.

I dunno what that's from.

Not at all; I knew what it was and I did not dislike it for that (I enjoyed Kagemusha very much). What bothered me is the way everyone acted--they all talked and behaved in a modern way, they just put on old-fashioned clothing. I was not emerged in the period, and I could not believe in the Mozart of the film, fictionalized or no.

Letters and stories do account for him being rather loud and boisterous with a very annoying laugh, but I agree that it was rather Americanised. Although, I'm not entirely sure how you can say what a 'modern' way of behaving is, not having been alive at the time of the period; writings of it will never give a complete picture, so how can it be realised by actors?

Andy Kaufman? W.C. Fields? Groucho Marx? Lucille Ball?

Bahahahahaha. Oh man, you made me lol. Perhaps you're the funny American I'm looking for. Andy Kaufman?! Groucho Marx?!? I've never seen any W.C. Fields or Lucille Ball but if you hold them as comparable to those performers, your taste is repugnant to me.

Shitty part of an otherwise hilarious film.

But considering how much Getbrett hates Groundhog Day, I find it puzzling that he could enjoy any comedy.

"I don't suppose there's any chance of an espresso or cappuccino?"
"Oh, I don't know..."
"... how to spell espresso or cappuccino."

George Carlin isn't funny. He's vulgar, something Americans think is funny. Like most American humour I've watched, he beats you over the head with punchlines because he assumes his audience are morons. There is nothing subtle there, no real wit, no real intelligence (despite his subject matter).
Eh he's pretty witty and smart so long as you ignore the one where he goes on about words you can't say on TV.
I dunno what that's from.
The Life of Brian.

But considering how much Getbrett hates Groundhog Day, I find it puzzling that he could enjoy any comedy.

"I don't suppose there's any chance of an espresso or cappuccino?"
"Oh, I don't know..."
"... how to spell espresso or cappuccino."

This is the reason I dislike American humour. It's milking the punchline! It brash and corny, unsubtle and shit. Punchlines are NOT the joke!

Letters and stories do account for him being rather loud and boisterous with a very annoying laugh, but I agree that it was rather Americanised. Although, I'm not entirely sure how you can say what a 'modern' way of behaving is, not having been alive at the time of the period; writings of it will never give a complete picture, so how can it be realised by actors?

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fWiOinTzOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8D4c0hLkZk

This is the reason I dislike American humour. It's milking the punchline! It brash and corny, unsubtle and shit. Punchlines are NOT the joke!

Then your comedy-philosophy matches Steve Martin's.

And you should definitely see Being There: it is very subtle comedy, being directed as if it is a drama, and it does not involve punchlines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLy1Yj_P_Q

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fWiOinTzOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8D4c0hLkZk

I haven't seen that film, though the restraint is pleasing to see. What I was really asking was what Amadeus could have done to be more authentic to 1780-90s Vienna?

Bahahahahaha. Oh man, you made me lol. Perhaps you're the funny American I'm looking for. Andy Kaufman?! Groucho Marx?!? I've never seen any W.C. Fields or Lucille Ball but if you hold them as comparable to those performers, your taste is repugnant to me.

Wait, even though you've never seen them you know they're not as good? Not that I disagree, but you're reasoning seems lacking.

Also, I'd recommend Dr. Strangelove, and while I know it's a UK and a US film I think it's best to start slowly and go a step at a time.

Eh he's pretty witty and smart so long as you ignore the one where he goes on about words you can't say on TV.

The Life of Brian.

Ah right, I've not seen it in ages. Not really a fan of Monty Python either.

Then your comedy-philosophy matches Steve Martin's.

And you should definitely see Being There: it is very subtle comedy, being directed as if it is a drama, and it does not involve punchlines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLy1Yj_P_Q

I dunno. That trailer did nothing for me, not even a titter. It was too slow, maybe? My favourite comedians deliver as a stream of consciousness, weaving insight and wit, unexpected juxtaposition and vivid imagery. It's not about subtle delivery, it's about subtle jokes - you shouldn't realise it's a joke until you're laughing.

EDIT: Also, do you think we should ask the mods to split off this discussion to a new thread? It's been sidetracked pretty far from the OP.

I haven't seen that film, though the restraint is pleasing to see. What I was really asking was what Amadeus could have done to be more authentic to 1780-90s Vienna?

Less modern and more pre-Victorian--Mozart did not even play his 24th Piano Concerto publicly because it was too "emotional". Do you realize the that Waltz was considered scandalous when it was first introduced? Mozart often used foul language, had a bad temper, and partied a lot, but if anyone acted like he did in Amadeus, he would be a total social outcast--it would be like walking about naked these days.

Your favorite comedian is Eddie Izzard.

Your favorite comedian is Eddie Izzard.

Sometimes, yeah. Not a fan of his newer stuff. At the moment my favourite is Dylan Moran. I also like David Mitchell and Robert Webb in Peep Show. I like comedians as characters - not comedians as people reciting punchlines.

EDIT: Also, do you think we should ask the mods to split off this discussion to a new thread? It's been sidetracked pretty far from the OP.

Maybe a topic about what makes things funny or somesuch?

I dunno. That trailer did nothing for me, not even a titter. It was too slow, maybe? My favourite comedians deliver as a stream of consciousness, weaving insight and wit, unexpected juxtaposition and vivid imagery. It's not about subtle delivery, it's about subtle jokes - you shouldn't realise it's a joke until you're laughing.

I am not much of laugher, so you are going to have to name a few comedies that contain this stuff.

EDIT: Also, do you think we should ask the mods to split off this discussion to a new thread? It's been sidetracked pretty far from the OP.

Perhaps.

I am not much of laugher, so you are going to have to name a few comedies that contain this stuff.



Perhaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVg5UgC4T4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp69rg6Hdlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es2l4yUBY6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-weFBV7YmHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxVec_zCC80

Then your comedy-philosophy matches Steve Martin's.

And you should definitely see Being There: it is very subtle comedy, being directed as if it is a drama, and it does not involve punchlines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYLy1Yj_P_Q

One of my favorite Steve Martin moments:

http://www.strimoo.com/video/10806414/LA-Story-emotionally-erect-MySpaceVideos.html

Less modern and more pre-Victorian

Again you haven't defined what characterises these.

Mozart did not even play his 24th Piano Concerto publicly because it was too "emotional". Do you realize the that Waltz was considered scandalous when it was first introduced?

I don't remember the 24th being used in the film, and I'm not at all surprised that Mozart wrote 'scandalous' music. I'm not sure what this has to do with authentic behaviour.

Mozart often used foul language, had a bad temper, and partied a lot, but if anyone acted like he did in Amadeus, he would be a total social outcast--it would be like walking about naked these days.

Perhaps, though in a sense this just emphasises that, although disagreeable to most people, he was tolerated due to his musical brilliance.

EDIT: Must sleep now, reply tomorrow.

One of my favorite Steve Martin moments:

http://www.strimoo.com/video/10806414/LA-Story-emotionally-erect-MySpaceVideos.html

This made me laugh.

One of my favorite Steve Martin moments:

http://www.strimoo.com/video/10806414/LA-Story-emotionally-erect-MySpaceVideos.html

I have to know what movie that's from.

Again you haven't defined what characterises these.

Speech so refined it is humorous by today's standards; a staggering amount of propriety in social situations; movements that are as precise as ballet (the dance was actually invented to teach stance and walk).

I don't remember the 24th being used in the film, and I'm not at all surprised that Mozart wrote 'scandalous' music. I'm not sure what this has to do with authentic behaviour.

It was not in the film; the point is, if you have heard the 24th, then you would know that any society which thought it was "radical" was not the society depicted in that film. Amadeus was like Marie Antoinette: the youth act like the American youth of today.

Perhaps, though in a sense this just emphasises that, although disagreeable to most people, he was tolerated due to his musical brilliance.

I guarantee he would not be tolerated if he acted like he did in the film--the courts would just get Haydn.

I have to know what movie that's from.

LA Story (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102250/) An early predecessor of the romantic comedies. A little dated; it's from the early 90s, but still one of my favorite movies.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

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EDIT: Also, do you think we should ask the mods to split off this discussion to a new thread? It's been sidetracked pretty far from the OP.

Not a problem. I don't mind.

The only people worse than Star Wars fanboys are Firefly fanboys. Though at least there's some cinematic quality to Firefly/Serenity. I'd rather be raped by mastodons and shit lava all over myself than watch Star Wars again.

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Not at all; I knew what it was and I did not dislike it for that (I enjoyed Kagemusha very much). What bothered me is the way everyone acted--they all talked and behaved in a modern way, they just put on old-fashioned clothing. I was not emerged in the period, and I could not believe in the Mozart of the film, fictionalized or no.

Context does seem to matter with movies. I think I would have had the same reaction you did if I'd seen it before I read a whole bunch of Peter Shaffer. It's not a very good biography of Mozart, but it's a very good abstract Shaffer Apollo/Dionysus thingy.

On the other hand, I went to see Braveheart thinking it would be a good swashbuckler because someone told me it was like Rob Roy, which I enjoyed. Boy, was I disappointed.

I hate The Rocky Horror Picture Show and 99% of everything Tim Burton has ever touched.

I hate The Rocky Horror Picture Show and 99% of everything Tim Burton has ever touched.

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http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Nightmare-Before-Christmas-d03.jpg

He asked for a funny American

Ok I will bite. Who do you think if funny?

Context does seem to matter with movies. I think I would have had the same reaction you did if I'd seen it before I read a whole bunch of Peter Shaffer. It's not a very good biography of Mozart, but it's a very good abstract Shaffer Apollo/Dionysus thingy.

The two composers were not a good choice for the formula.

On the other hand, I went to see Braveheart thinking it would be a good swashbuckler because someone told me it was like Rob Roy, which I enjoyed. Boy, was I disappointed.

Watch this instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8nGgvepXCk

I honestly have no fucking clue what you're trying to get at here. How does my opinion on cinema in any way relate to my opinion of American comedy? I am admittedly uninformed about American comedy because I find it painful to watch. Not so for American cinema, where I am very highly informed (if having watched cinema being the basis for your definition of "informed"). You have absolutely no basis for your claim that I an uninformed.

No. After reading your comments; Hydesland has you figured out.

Ok. You saw a film or two. Hardly makes you an expert for your claims.

No. After reading your comments; Hydesland has you figured out.

Ok. You saw a film or two. Hardly makes you an expert for your claims.

And where did I say I was an expert? I expressed my subjective opinion. That does not make me an expert.

Rocky

Clockwork orange.

I never really understood why Solaris, both the original and the remake, were so lauded. The original was groundbreaking, sure, but it's a terrible film. The remake isn't groundbreaking and remains just as terrible.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. Horrific editing, horrific, scratching-out-my-eyeballs acting, terrible direction, pathetic two dimensional characters, generic, cliche storyline. I have no fucking idea why people like it so much. It's awful by every cinematic definition.

The Dark Knight was pretty overrated too, as was Lord of the Rings (I also dislike the book, Tolkien was a hack, a linguist with no literary skill, he wrote on sand using sand). The Shining was one of Kubrick's worst films. Jaws was awful, The Bourne trilogy rubbish, Citizen Kane boring.

I dislike most films in the IMBD top 250, actually. People are stupid.


As someone said about someone who disliked star wars: BURN THE HERETIC! HE IS A TOLKEIN HATER!!!!


As for my opinion, movies based on books besides the LOTR and Harry Potter ones.

As for music: Rush and Pink Floyd

As for TV: Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice, stuff on Tv.

Harry Potter SUCKS !!!!
long live Tolkein's legacy as king of Fantasy!!!!!

As someone said about someone who disliked star wars: BURN THE HERETIC! HE IS A TOLKEIN HATER!!!!


As for my opinion, movies based on books besides the LOTR and Harry Potter ones.

As for music: Rush and Pink Floyd

As for TV: Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice, stuff on Tv.
1. Harry Potter sucks.

2. HOW CAN YOU HATE RUSH AND PINK FLOYD! *sends a psychologist to investigate*

1. Harry Potter sucks.

2. HOW CAN YOU HATE RUSH AND PINK FLOYD! *sends a psychologist to investigate*

That just might require more than a psychologist, more like a year of rehab......:tongue:

Se7en..I hated the ending. A killer that meticulous doesn't change his MO at the end.

2. HOW CAN YOU HATE RUSH AND PINK FLOYD! *sends a psychologist to investigate*

stop doing drugs and they start sucking.

stop doing drugs and they start sucking.

Rush is still as great as ever. All drugs ever did for them was give them crazy and/or awesome hair.

stop doing drugs and they start sucking.

Not as bad as Zeppelin.

Not as bad as Zeppelin.

such fond memories of my drug using days.

And where did I say I was an expert? I expressed my subjective opinion. That does not make me an expert.

The question of your subjectivity is not in question. Your statements make you look ignorant or at best foolish.

For example, you declared Tolkien is a hack. Why not declare your reasons so we can make a subjective opinion of your opinions.

On the matter of comedy. Culture is a part of comedy. It's easy to think something is not funny especially if the humor is local. Declaring that all other comedy is not funny because you like a certain style only makes you sound foolish.

I hate all of your ("your" referring to everyone here) favorite movies, because I'm just that independently minded.

I hate all of your ("your" referring to everyone here) favorite movies, because I'm just that independently minded.

Which one of you is independently minded?

Harry Potter sucks!
No, the first 3 Harry Potter books are a good read, beloved of many, and the later works are only mediocre. They've never been hailed as super amazing writing, they're just simple, nicely paced books for children.
long live Tolkein's legacy as king of Fantasy!!!!!
You have such terrible taste.

The Hobbit - eh a good read
LoTR - direly written
The Silmarillion (sp?) - BLEUCH EUGH *sicks up*
2. HOW CAN YOU HATE RUSH AND PINK FLOYD! *sends a psychologist to investigate*
Because prog rock is a shower of shite.

No, the first 3 Harry Potter books are a good read, beloved of many, and the later works are only mediocre. They've never been hailed as super amazing writing, they're just simple, nicely paced books for children.

Books for children. That about sums it up. Shit writing, shallow character development, and horrible plot lines.

You have such terrible taste.

The Hobbit - eh a good read

Always found Bilbo to be a bit whiny, felt it dwelt on that a bit too much.
LoTR - direly written
Meant to be that way, pulled off the plot nicely, as well as likeable, or, failing that, interesting characters. Except for Sam.

The Silmarillion (sp?) - BLEUCH EUGH *sicks up*
Yeah, the Silmarillion was very meh. Children of Hurin was better.

Because prog rock is a shower of shite.
You sir, have no taste. *slaps with white glove*

Which one of you is independently minded?
Both.

Books for children. That about sums it up. Shit writing, shallow character development, and horrible plot lines.

Always found Bilbo to be a bit whiny, felt it dwelt on that a bit too much.

Meant to be that way, pulled off the plot nicely, as well as likeable, or, failing that, interesting characters. Except for Sam.

Yeah, the Silmarillion was very meh. Children of Hurin was better.

You sir, have no taste. *slaps with white glove*

Haha, what? It's meant to be dire?

No, the first 3 Harry Potter books are a good read, beloved of many, and the later works are only mediocre. They've never been hailed as super amazing writing, they're just simple, nicely paced books for children.


Agree in part. They are not great works of fiction but you can't knock them because how many kids wanted to read them. The local librarian simply said "Anything that makes a kid want to read a book is great writing."

I didn't mind them. But I will say I really didn't care for the last book.

You have such terrible taste.

The Hobbit - eh a good read
LoTR - direly written
The Silmarillion (sp?) - BLEUCH EUGH *sicks up*

I will admit I liked all three. My dirty secret. But I will admit Silmarillion is not meant for anybody looking for stories. It's more of a history/religion book.

I am curious. You are mild towards Tolkien so what suggestion would you have for something in the fantasy realm? I am always on the look out for a good book.

Haha, what? It's meant to be dire?

I've always understood dire as meaning ill-boding, sort of dark, if you will, and thought he meant it's dark atmosphere.

Both.

That's good. At least you are never lonely right? :D

I am curious. You are mild towards Tolkien so what suggestion would you have for something in the fantasy realm? I am always on the look out for a good book.

While I'm not a big fan of fantasy (especially post-Tolkien fantasy, as it all seems to be an attempt to emulate him), I can suggest H. P. Lovecraft, Ambrose Bierce, Eric Rucker Eddison and Lewis Carroll.

I've always understood dire as meaning ill-boding, sort of dark, if you will, and thought he meant it's dark atmosphere.

Nah, dire means "dreadful". As in shite.

Haha, what? It's meant to be dire?

Tolkien was never happy to hear children were reading the LotR. He said the Hobbit was for children and the LotR was for adults.

While I'm not a big fan of fantasy (especially post-Tolkien fantasy, as it all seems to be an attempt to emulate him), I can suggest H. P. Lovecraft, Ambrose Bierce, Eric Rucker Eddison and Lewis Carroll.

Heard of the first one.
Don't know the other two.
I have read Lewis Carroll.

Thanks.

Tolkien was never happy to hear children were reading the LotR. He said the Hobbit was for children and the LotR was for adults.

It's for adults with no real taste in literature, but follow trends like sheep. Tolkien wasn't a talented author of fiction, he was a talented linguist and worldbuilder. Even he admitted that the trilogy was merely an afterthought, designed to build a culture that'd speak the languages he invented.

As a linguist, he wrote analytically, in a stilted, unimaginative voice. His prose is the epitome of the word "dry". I got about halfway through the first of the trilogy before I had to put it down, it was a real struggle to force myself to read the next sentence, because I knew it was going to bore me. He simply didn't have a natural flair for writing.

Most movies suck, and comedies are almost universal failures nowadays, but I reserve special hatred for the Matrix sequels. Also, I hereby declare The Beast with a Billion Backs and Into the Wild Green Yonder as non-canon in the Futurama universe.

His [Tolkien's]prose is the epitome of the word "dry". I got about halfway through the first of the trilogy before I had to put it down, it was a real struggle to force myself to read the next sentence, because I knew it was going to bore me. He simply didn't have a natural flair for writing.
I rather enjoyed LOTR in both book and film. Stop crapping on my childhood memories!

As a linguist, he wrote analytically, in a stilted, unimaginative voice. His prose is the epitome of the word "dry". I got about halfway through the first of the trilogy before I had to put it down, it was a real struggle to force myself to read the next sentence, because I knew it was going to bore me. He simply didn't have a natural flair for writing.
I disagree vehemently. I liked Tolkien's descriptive writing style, it managed to paint a descriptive picture without boring me. But to each their own, eh?

It's for adults with no real taste in literature, but follow trends like sheep.

This is what Hyde was talking about.

Tolkien wasn't a talented author of fiction, he was a talented linguist and worldbuilder. Even he admitted that the trilogy was merely an afterthought, designed to build a culture that'd speak the languages he invented.

As a linguist, he wrote analytically, in a stilted, unimaginative voice. His prose is the epitome of the word "dry". I got about halfway through the first of the trilogy before I had to put it down, it was a real struggle to force myself to read the next sentence, because I knew it was going to bore me. He simply didn't have a natural flair for writing.

Ah but you have to admit. All the language translations and printings? Declaring him a hack? People look at you funny. He has influence. Mention wizard and there is a good chance people with think of Gandalf. Doesn't anybody find the Balrog stupid? A whole generation of games makers were inspired by him. So a hack? Not really.

Studying literature?

I never really understood why Solaris, both the original and the remake, were so lauded. The original was groundbreaking, sure, but it's a terrible film. The remake isn't groundbreaking and remains just as terrible.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. Horrific editing, horrific, scratching-out-my-eyeballs acting, terrible direction, pathetic two dimensional characters, generic, cliche storyline. I have no fucking idea why people like it so much. It's awful by every cinematic definition.

The Dark Knight was pretty overrated too, as was Lord of the Rings (I also dislike the book, Tolkien was a hack, a linguist with no literary skill, he wrote on sand using sand). The Shining was one of Kubrick's worst films. Jaws was awful, The Bourne trilogy rubbish, Citizen Kane boring.

I dislike most films in the IMBD top 250, actually. People are stupid.
Ah..I get it. You're one of those smug, psuedo-intellectuals who airily decide that they're more intelligent than everyone else, and as such, can't possibly deem to like anything that the general public likes because the general public, being of vastly lower intellectual capacity than themselves couldn't possibly like anything intelligent (and also hating anything popular helps reinforce their image of being oh so very intelligent). Thus anything and everything popular must, by definition, be vulgar and low-brow.
ooooh...I'm so impressed with your towering intellect, as displayed by your refusal to like anything popular. ooooh...sooooo impressed.

This is what Hyde was talking about.

Ah but you have to admit. All the language translations and printings? Declaring him a hack? People look at you funny. He has influence. Mention wizard and there is a good chance people with think of Gandalf. Doesn't anybody find the Balrog stupid? A whole generation of games makers were inspired by him. So a hack? Not really.

Studying literature?

He is a hack, in my opinion. The influence he has is undeserved, in my opinion. His writings are boring, in my opinion. Do you see the pattern here? My subjective opinion is no more authoritive than yours, it's simply different. I think Tolkien is shit. I think. I.

Ah..I get it. You're one of those smug, psuedo-intellectuals who airily decide that they're more intelligent than everyone else, and as such, can't possibly deem to like anything that the general public likes because the general public, being of vastly lower intellectual capacity than themselves couldn't possibly like anything intelligent (and also hating anything popular helps reinforce their image of being oh so very intelligent). Thus anything and everything popular must, by definition, be vulgar and low-brow.
ooooh...I'm so impressed with your towering intellect, as displayed by your refusal to like anything popular. ooooh...sooooo impressed.

And you presume this based upon one topic. How very comprehensive of you! Who's to say that I don't like a great deal of so-called popular literature/whatever? In fact, I do like a great deal of stuff that others have called shit.

I'm not being intellectual for the sake of pretention. I'm voicing my opinion of Tolkien to the best of my ability to do so. If that means I'm anti-establishment, your interpretation is flawed.

And you presume this based upon one topic. How very comprehensive of you! Who's to say that I don't like a great deal of so-called popular literature/whatever? In fact, I do like a great deal of stuff that others have called shit.

I'm not being intellectual for the sake of pretention. I'm voicing my opinion of Tolkien to the best of my ability to do so. If that means I'm anti-establishment, your interpretation is flawed.

Wait a minute... You were "The Mindset" At one point, no?

Wait a minute... You were "The Mindset" At one point, no?

Yes.

Se7en..I hated the ending. A killer that meticulous doesn't change his MO at the end.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg

He is a hack, in my opinion. The influence he has is undeserved, in my opinion. His writings are boring, in my opinion. Do you see the pattern here? My subjective opinion is no more authoritive than yours, it's simply different. I think Tolkien is shit. I think. I.


OH I see the pattern. An opinion without a serious defense is well shit.

And you presume this based upon one topic. How very comprehensive of you! Who's to say that I don't like a great deal of so-called popular literature/whatever? In fact, I do like a great deal of stuff that others have called shit.

I'm not being intellectual for the sake of pretention. I'm voicing my opinion of Tolkien to the best of my ability to do so. If that means I'm anti-establishment, your interpretation is flawed.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg


Oh indeed there is nothing remotely intellectual here. Your argument is Tolkien is shit and anybody who thinks otherwise is stupid.

Thus the charge of pseudo intellectual is warranted.

The Notebook.

LAME!

OH I see the pattern. An opinion without a serious defense is well shit.

Oh indeed there is nothing remotely intellectual here. Your argument is Tolkien is shit and anybody who thinks otherwise is stupid.

Thus the charge of pseudo intellectual is warranted.

Your argument is just as inane. Your argument is "I disagree with you, therefore your opinion that he is shit makes you a pseudo-intellectual."

I've backed up my opinion by explaining why I think he's shit. I don't need to provide facts to back up an opinion - because then it would not be an opinion, it would be a fact.

Your hypocrisy-via-fanboyism is revolting.

The Notebook.

LAME!

People love that movie? Who are these people? What happened to their brains?

Your argument is just as inane. Your argument is "I disagree with you, therefore your opinion that he is shit makes you a pseudo-intellectual."

I've backed up my opinion by explaining why I think he's shit. I don't need to provide facts to back up an opinion - because then it would not be an opinion, it would be a fact.

Your hypocrisy-via-fanboyism is revolting.

Well kiddo.

An "opinion" is a rather cheap shield to hide behind.

You can ignore is the fact how many printings and how many languages the books have been translated and you can ignore the influence he has had. But to simply to declare him a hack makes you ignorant.

Especially, when you simply dismiss it as people being stupid sheep.

But that is pseudo-intellectualism.

Ah..I get it. You're one of those smug, psuedo-intellectuals who airily decide that they're more intelligent than everyone else, and as such, can't possibly deem to like anything that the general public likes because the general public, being of vastly lower intellectual capacity than themselves couldn't possibly like anything intelligent (and also hating anything popular helps reinforce their image of being oh so very intelligent). Thus anything and everything popular must, by definition, be vulgar and low-brow.
ooooh...I'm so impressed with your towering intellect, as displayed by your refusal to like anything popular. ooooh...sooooo impressed.Page 10. NSG is getting lax, no?

page 10. Nsg is getting lax, no?

:)

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Well kiddo.

An "opinion" is a rather cheap shield to hide behind.

You can ignore is the fact how many printings and how many languages the books have been translated and you can ignore the influence he has had. But to simply to declare him a hack makes you ignorant.

Especially, when you simply dismiss it as people being stupid sheep.

But that is pseudo-intellectualism.

I really have nothing further to say on this topic. I wasn't attempting to construct an argument, I was presenting an opinion. Qualititive analysis of Tolkien (or any other author) is an inherently subjective process. It really does not matter, at all, if he's influentual or has been reprinted - this doesn't change my opinion - because the opinion of others on Tolkien bear no relation to my own. If this is the only argument you possess to refute my opinion of him being a hack, then logically any author who's not been reprinted or has little influence is shit. This clearly can't be the case, I'm sure there's a multitude of overlooked authors with much greater skill than Tolkien.

People love that movie? Who are these people? What happened to their brains?

Beats me!

Girls love it, and I've heard guys say it's one of the few "chick flicks" that is tolerable.

Not so much...

I am curious. You are mild towards Tolkien
Actually I think that Tolkein is the Lenny Kravitz of the literary world. For people with no taste only.
so what suggestion would you have for something in the fantasy realm? I am always on the look out for a good book.
Not a big 'fantasy' book fan. If it contains the word "eldritch" or even "elf" it's not going to be a good read for me.

I really have nothing further to say on this topic. I wasn't attempting to construct an argument, I was presenting an opinion. Qualititive analysis of Tolkien (or any other author) is an inherently subjective process. It really does not matter, at all, if he's influentual or has been reprinted - this doesn't change my opinion - because the opinion of others on Tolkien bear no relation to my own. If this is the only argument you possess to refute my opinion of him being a hack, then logically any author who's not been reprinted or has little influence is shit. This clearly can't be the case, I'm sure there's a multitude of overlooked authors with much greater skill than Tolkien.Not liking Tolkien is nothing new. However, calling people who like him sheep makes you look like an ass.

Not liking Tolkien is nothing new. However, calling people who like him sheep makes you look like an ass.

I'm not an ass. I'm an arsehole. There's a difference!

I have a low opinion of people who enjoy Tolkien. I'm quite happy to call them sheep.

Actually I think that Tolkein is the Lenny Kravitz of the literary world. For people with no taste only.

Not a big 'fantasy' book fan. If it contains the word "eldritch" or even "elf" it's not going to be a good read for me.

Well genres of literature is indeed a matter of opinion. But I suspect you understand comparing a classical literature author to a fantasy author is a waste of time. Two different animals.

You admitted the hobbit was a good read. But we already know you weren't one for taste. :p

Not really a fan of Monty Python either.

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I'm not an ass. I'm an arsehole. There's a difference!

I have a low opinion of people who enjoy Tolkien. I'm quite happy to call them sheep.

Ah but being labeled sheep from a pseudo-intellectual is a bad of honor.

I'm not an ass. I'm an arsehole. There's a difference!

I have a low opinion of people who enjoy Tolkien. I'm quite happy to call them sheep.If you must, at least call them orcses or something.

Well genres of literature is indeed a matter of opinion. But I suspect you understand comparing a classical literature author to a fantasy author is a waste of time. Two different animals.
Erm which classical literature author am I comparing to anything? :confused:
You admitted the hobbit was a good read. But we already know you weren't one for taste. :p
Well it is... it just tells a wee story. I like The Hobbit more than I like LoTR for the same reason I like Jackie Brown more than shitey Kill Bill - it's just enjoyable.

Ah but being labeled sheep from a pseudo-intellectual is a bad of honor.

Being labelled a pseudo-intellectual by someone who clearly doesn't understand what the term means is a dubious honour at best, but one I'll accept graciously if we can move on from this tedious discussion.

Erm which classical literature author am I comparing to anything? :confused:


Oh I didn't mean to imply you were. Just making a statement as our young friend reminds me of an old girlfriend. She majored in English Literature and made similar comments about people.

Well it is... it just tells a wee story. I like The Hobbit more than I like LoTR for the same reason I like Jackie Brown more than shitey Kill Bill - it's just enjoyable.

Jackie Brown smokes kill bill. I really got bored watching the girl slash through all those guys. Gee how many ways can you cut a guy in half.

Being labelled a pseudo-intellectual by someone who clearly doesn't understand what the term means is a dubious honour at best, but one I'll accept graciously if we can move on from this tedious discussion.

:D That's ok sweety. We are awed by your intellectual prowess.

Feel better? Sure you do!

Oh I didn't mean to imply you were. Just making a statement as our young friend reminds me of an old girlfriend. She majored in English Literature and made similar comments about people.



Jackie Brown smokes kill bill. I really got bored watching the girl slash through all those guys. Gee how many ways can you cut a guy in half.

Wait, are you referring to me here? I'm not a literature student. I'm an illustrator.

Wait, are you referring to me here? I'm not a literature student. I'm an illustrator.

Can you draw me a picture of a Dark Elf with a flame sword conquering Rivendell? That would be awesome.

Can you draw me a picture of a Dark Elf with a flame sword conquering Rivendell? That would be awesome.

Bahaha, you know, I think I just had a breakthrough. The reason I dislike Tolkien so much is the plethora of awful fantasy illustration it's spawned.

Bahaha, you know, I think I just had a breakthrough. The reason I dislike Tolkien so much is the plethora of awful fantasy illustration it's spawned.

I really love Tolkien but this is one of the best reasons I've ever seen for not liking Tolkien.

Bahaha, you know, I think I just had a breakthrough. The reason I dislike Tolkien so much is the plethora of awful fantasy illustration it's spawned.

Ok.

That I can agree with you.

Bahaha, you know, I think I just had a breakthrough. The reason I dislike Tolkien so much is the plethora of awful fantasy illustration it's spawned.

you didnt answer the question can you draw the picture ??

you didnt answer the question can you draw the picture ??

If Tolkien via Quentin Blake is the look you'd want, then maybe. My illustration tends towards sketchy ink, watercolour or reduction printmaking.

Fuckin' A. That's a film made for drama students -_-
That's not the only reason I hate it. THe soundtrack makes me want to hurl.
Blasphemy!
Nay.
If it weren't for Rocky Horror, I'd still be a virgin!
If I had to watch the movie to have sex, I'd rather not watch it and not have sex. Because during watching it or after having watched it, I'm definitely not in the mood!
...I just hope she was a woman.

<.<

>.>
"Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina."*
*Yes, that's a quote from Kindergarden Cop. So sue me!
:fluffle:
That's what I thought! :)
I hate The Rocky Horror Picture Show and 99% of everything Tim Burton has ever touched.
I can only agree. There are few Burton movies I do like (Mars Attacks!, Sleepy Hollow) or tolerate (Batman Returns).

Titanic
Friday the 13th (all)
Nightmare on Elm Street (all)

I could list a million horror films...

"Boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina."*
*Yes, that's a quote from Kindergarden Cop. So sue me!

I love that movie. :cool:

I really love Tolkien but this is one of the best reasons I've ever seen for not liking Tolkien.

Who is in your display picture?

Speech so refined it is humorous by today's standards; a staggering amount of propriety in social situations; movements that are as precise as ballet (the dance was actually invented to teach stance and walk).

It was not in the film; the point is, if you have heard the 24th, then you would know that any society which thought it was "radical" was not the society depicted in that film. Amadeus was like Marie Antoinette: the youth act like the American youth of today.

I guarantee he would not be tolerated if he acted like he did in the film--the courts would just get Haydn.

In a sense I agree with you, though I didn't find it as troubling as you seem to have. But I'm not sure it was ever written as authentic historical fiction, and I doubt the language was made to be true to the period but to be understood by those watching the play in this century. Many of the features seem to alienate Mozart as being not suited to his time, which seems to me an important notion of the film.

In a sense I agree with you, though I didn't find it as troubling as you seem to have. But I'm not sure it was ever written as authentic historical fiction, and I doubt the language was made to be true to the period but to be understood by those watching the play in this century.

If it was translated to 18th century English, I assure you it would still quite intelligible, just obviously different.

Many of the features seem to alienate Mozart as being not suited to his time, which seems to me an important notion of the film.

But he wrote period music! if anything, this theme might be done with Beethoven.

Who is in your display picture?

Brick Tamland.

Brick Tamland.

Ah. Thanks.

Crash. I mean, seriously.

But he wrote period music! if anything, this theme might be done with Beethoven.

I'm not saying his musical style was not in keeping with the period, just his outlandish behaviour being tolerated due to his musical genius. And certainly many of his compositions were developing far beyond Haydn and others, the operas certainly, and the final few symphonies.

Crash. I mean, seriously.

You mean the older one about sexual fetishes, or the recent one about racial tension?

Crash. I mean, seriously.

the older crash was good.
the new crash sucked.

The newer one. Haven't seen the other.

I have to admit that there are times when I'll automatically imagine a dislike for something solely based on it being popular (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HypeAversion). This is completely illogical, and I'm not entirely sure why, though, considering most such works can't be all too bad if they have such extensive fanbases. At very least, they'd be in the "so bad, it's good" region for their fans.

The Princess Bride. *runs*
ah, but I bet you saw that when you were too old to truly understand it and appreciate it.

If you've ever watched it with an 8yr-old (I have, babysitting my brother's daughter) you'll admire it for the wonderful piece of children's cinema that it is.
Kids that age don't get subtlety; they're not developed enough. The Princess Bride is, to them, subtle believe it or not. The characters need to be over-the-top, the situations unbelievable, for it to really hammer home what's happening. It makes it very real to your average 8yr old.

So when Westley is being tortured in a totally ludicrous way, it is real to them, not over-the-top. They will be worried and scared for Westley and dig their fingers into your arm. And when Inigo Montoya is apparently fatally stabbed near the end, they'll be in tears at his impending death only to be cheering and squealing with delight as he slowly regains his strength and vaniquishes his nemisis. And no, his leap from dying to being perfectly fine isn't ridiculous to them either: It makes perfect sense. 8yr old kids can, and do, fall over skinning their knees and are screaming like banshees for all of 5 minutes before running around like mad again having completely forgotten that they were at death's door just a few minutes ago. That's their world.
A guy going from fatally bleeding to death to leaping out windows with what looks more like a bad attempt at tie-dying than his lifes-blood on his shirt is not really dumb or stupid: It's totally logical to them.

The Princess Bride is one of, if not the, best kids movie around because the makers recognised and understood exactly how a kid truly thinks and sees the world. Plus it has the added bonus of being so over the top it's amusing for adults but at a different level (mainly for the taking the piss out of so many fantasy stories).

The newer one. Haven't seen the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_(1996_film))

Tyler Perry must be stopped. :(

I absolutely detest "Titanic", but everyone else seems to love that movie.

I absolutely detest "Titanic", but everyone else seems to love that movie.
I don't. I hate it for lots of reasons, but most of all I hate it because they thought the real story of the Titanic needed to have "drama" added to it with that idiotic fake storyline. The real stories of the people who were on the Titanic are dramatic enough for any number of movies. Nobody on the planet needs that Billy Zane BS.

HERETIC HERETIC burn him at the stake!!!!!!

^this^ It pretty much defined the late 70's. Huge is an understatement. Better than any other movie of its generation. A couple of close ones.

I don't. I hate it for lots of reasons, but most of all I hate it because they thought the real story of the Titanic needed to have "drama" added to it with that idiotic fake storyline. The real stories of the people who were on the Titanic are dramatic enough for any number of movies. Nobody on the planet needs that Billy Zane BS.
you know what i hate MOST about that movie?

finding out at the end that the kate winslet character pretended that she died on the titanic, leaving everyone who ever knew her to mourn her for no damned reason. what a horrible thing to do! that negates any "better life" that she supposedly had for having met leonardo dicaprio on the boat.

and THAT is taking into consideration that i hated the rest of the movie too. if they wanted a documentary on the titanic they should have just made one. what is the point of ruining a mediocre love story with endless exposition on what happened that day?

you know what i hate MOST about that movie?

finding out at the end that the kate winslet character pretended that she died on the titanic, leaving everyone who ever knew her to mourn her for no damned reason. what a horrible thing to do! that negates any "better life" that she supposedly had for having met leonardo dicaprio on the boat.

and THAT is taking into consideration that i hated the rest of the movie too. if they wanted a documentary on the titanic they should have just made one. what is the point of ruining a mediocre love story with endless exposition on what happened that day?
Well, in fairness, every main character in that movie was a blithering idiot, so can we really blame Winslet's character for doing something so moronic? What else could she possibly have done, seeing how stupid she was?

But you beat me on having been able to retain even that much of that piece of crap. I could not see through the haze of "Oh, yeah, and on top of all of that, the boat was sinking while we were trying to sort out our love lives. Omg, what a shitty cruise, like, totally!"

But you beat me on having been able to retain even that much of that piece of crap. I could not see through the haze of "Oh, yeah, and on top of all of that, the boat was sinking while we were trying to sort out our love lives. Omg, what a shitty cruise, like, totally!"

Indeed. I hardly remember that movie. There's nothing worthy of remembering.

Indeed. I hardly remember that movie. There's nothing worthy of remembering.

James Cameron really disappointed me with that film. I mean, from Terminator and Alien to Titanic!

Well, in fairness, every main character in that movie was a blithering idiot, so can we really blame Winslet's character for doing something so moronic? What else could she possibly have done, seeing how stupid she was?

But you beat me on having been able to retain even that much of that piece of crap. I could not see through the haze of "Oh, yeah, and on top of all of that, the boat was sinking while we were trying to sort out our love lives. Omg, what a shitty cruise, like, totally!"
i dont honestly know how i made it to the end of the movie. it was so tedious!

i remember it because it shocked me that anyone would do something so cruel. especially since im pretty sure her mother survived too.

James Cameron really disappointed me with that film. I mean, from Terminator and Alien to Titanic!

I know.

i dont honestly know how i made it to the end of the movie. it was so tedious!

i remember it because it shocked me that anyone would do something so cruel. especially since im pretty sure her mother survived too.

I thought it a great comedy, by this line my then girlfriend and I were in stitches:

Rose: [letting go of Jack's hand] I'll never let go, Jack. I promise.
[she kisses his hand and watches him sink, almost falling apart before she finally climbs back into the water to call the lifeboat back]

Whee, I remember my stomach hurting.

I thought it a great comedy, by this line my then girlfriend and I were in stitches:



Whee, I remember my stomach hurting.

Damn you beat me to it. My other half made me watch it the other night and I have to agree. It's an amazing film to make funny commentaries to.

Edit : And there was plenty of room on that board for the both of them if they balanced it right

I thought it a great comedy, by this line my then girlfriend and I were in stitches:



Whee, I remember my stomach hurting.
Ah, so it was murder! :D And faking her own death was so she could beat the rap. It all makes sense now.

And correct me if I'm wrong -- or don't; I really don't care -- but wasn't she rescued by officer Ioan Griffud who is so completely way hotter than Punkinhead diCaprio?

Heh, yeah, "I'll never let go, Jack," except for Officer McCutie over here.

And correct me if I'm wrong -- or don't; I really don't care -- but wasn't she rescued by officer Ioan Griffud who is so completely way hotter than Punkinhead diCaprio?

Oh gods, those dark looks of his. I die for dark hair and broody looks.

I thought it a great comedy, by this line my then girlfriend and I were in stitches:



Whee, I remember my stomach hurting.
lol

im pretty sure all i was doing at that point was hoping he would hurry up and drown.

Ah, so it was murder! :D And faking her own death was so she could beat the rap. It all makes sense now.

And correct me if I'm wrong -- or don't; I really don't care -- but wasn't she rescued by officer Ioan Griffud who is so completely way hotter than Punkinhead diCaprio?

Heh, yeah, "I'll never let go, Jack," except for Officer McCutie over here.
oohhh i didnt remember him but checking him on google...yeah!

speaking of dark and brooding....have you been able to stand "eleventh hour" enough to enjoy the amazing good looks of rufus sewell?

oohhh i didnt remember him but checking him on google...yeah!

speaking of dark and brooding....have you been able to stand "eleventh hour" enough to enjoy the amazing good looks of rufus sewell?
Oh, poor Rufus Sewell. I actually committed to watching that show just for him, but after about 4 episodes, I started to feel like I was having the air sucked out of my lungs by its droning boredom. Now I only check in intermittently for a Rufus fix, but I wish that show was better, because I love him.

Oh, poor Rufus Sewell. I actually committed to watching that show just for him, but after about 4 episodes, I started to feel like I was having the air sucked out of my lungs by its droning boredom. Now I only check in intermittently for a Rufus fix, but I wish that show was better, because I love him.
the show sucks big time but i do watch it just for him.

Damn you beat me to it. My other half made me watch it the other night and I have to agree. It's an amazing film to make funny commentaries to.

Heh, yeah, "I'll never let go, Jack," except for Officer McCutie over here.

lol

im pretty sure all i was doing at that point was hoping he would hurry up and drown.

Oh there was the scene where the Laurel & Hardy characters on lookout are all:

"Ooh, we're going awful fast, I hope there's no icebergs around"
"Watchoo talkin' 'bout, there's no icebergs round here"
"Ooh, but I'm afraid of them big ol' icebergs I am"
"You silly muppet, icebergs... hang on a second, what's that...."

Iceberg looms into view.

the show sucks big time but i do watch it just for him.

One of the things that makes me hate movies/shows that are popular with other people, who clearly have no taste, is that they often cast the hot actors in either dreck or as second string after some talentless hack who is also popular with the mob, so I have be constantly craning to see around some over-acting blockhead to do proper swooning.

Romantic comedies. Pretty much across the board.

"In this film, two upper-class conventionally attractive heterosexual white people will find each other totally incomprehensible due to their mis-matched genitalia! How hilariously unexpected! Fortunately each party will have a quirky-but-less-attractive best friend who will offer bullet-point instructions on wooing, and the two lovebirds will find twoo wuv."

Flash Gordon.

Anyone ever see This Island Earth? Great comedy. And if you've never seen Santa Claus Conquers the Martians you haven't lived.

Anything based on a comic book.

Indeed. I hardly remember that movie. There's nothing worthy of remembering.
to recap the important bits: After 90 minutes Leonardo shags Kate. After 120 minutes the boat sinks.
oh, and James Cameron hates the English.

I don't. I hate it for lots of reasons, but most of all I hate it because they thought the real story of the Titanic needed to have "drama" added to it with that idiotic fake storyline. The real stories of the people who were on the Titanic are dramatic enough for any number of movies. Nobody on the planet needs that Billy Zane BS.
I hate it cause "A night to remember" was a fantastic movie.

Flash Gordon.
You're just saying that cause you don't want anyone to think you're gay.

I hate:

Army of Darkness

I hate:

Army of Darkness

I liked Army of Darkness, but hated the first two Evil Dead movies.

Anyone ever see This Island Earth? Great comedy. And if you've never seen Santa Claus Conquers the Martians you haven't lived.This Island Earth is amazing. And ET watches a bit of it on the TV in that one scene.