NationStates Jolt Archive

For me, it's Otto Wels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels). One of the most courageous and principled men who ever lived, IMO.

Edit: The title was going to read "Which historical person with political views that are the opposite of yours do you admire most?" but there wasn't enough room for that.

Probably John Adams, or James Madison...Ive always been more of a Jeffersonian myself, but those two were brilliant and did much to help the country...

I'd say GnI. His views are almost the exact opposite of mine, yet I respect him very much. I can think of any historical person I respect with views that are almost opposite of mine, and, of course, NSG is so much more interesting than Real life.:D

GnI?

GnI?

Grave_n_Idle, a poster on here.

Oh, okay.

I have to go with Cat-Tribe. We don't see eye to eye on a number of things, but his arguments are always reasoned and he cites case law and precedent every single time.

GnI?

Grave N Idle...The dude with the evil red glowing eyes avatar, lol...

For me, itd probably be Greed and Death, and although we dont always disagree, Neo Art, and Trostia...

I'd have to say Bill Maher. Politically Incorrect was usually interesting, and he didn't constantly interrupt people, which is friggin' annoying(that's right, I'm eyeballing you, O'Reilly). He seems to be able to disagree without being disagreeable.

On here? Soheran or GnI.

In general? I'd say Bill Joy and Francis Fukuyama.

Majority of people I chat with on here disagree with me, but I admire their intelligence.

I do admire Obama, even though I am usually in disagreeance with him as well.

Spinoza, Dante (does he count?) and Adam Smith (none of these are complete, complete opposite)

Wait: I just noticed you said political and not views in general. In this case... Plato.

The Bluth Corporation, for always being so rational, sane, and non-repetitive. <3

Spinoza, Dante (does he count?) and Adam Smith (none of these are complete, complete opposite)

Wait: I just noticed you said political and not views in general. In this case... Plato.

Is that over the religious aspect or what?

Karl Marx

Heikoku 2.

Henry Kissinger. I think he endorsed and organized war crimes and screwed a lot of stuff up in the world, but he has the courage of his convictions and he really, seriously thinks about what he says and does. Also, he does not hate his opponents and can sometimes even allow that the other side is right about something and in some situations is better able to deal with something than his side is.

If I were queen of the world, I would never put Kissinger in charge of anything, but I probably would keep him on my advisory team. I would likely never do anything he suggested, but I would still want to hear his opinions.

Probably the late Paul Newman. He did so much for charity that I don't care that he was politically liberal. And he made a tasty salad dressing :D

Gramsci.

Hans Mommsen and Ian Kershaw. Historians.

Nazi history, they are Structuralists/Kershaw Alternative, I am an intentionalist.

Those are the 3 accepted views on the Nazi state, whether it was chaotic or not, was Hitler a weak dicator, was Nazi Germany a terror state etc etc.

Churchill

Jesus.

I'd hate to see someone with the total opposite views to me they'd be all passionate and stuff

Right now it's David Brooks. Although I have to saw we don't have opposite views but different views. He's a bit more to the right than I am on a number of different issues. He does seem to be making a lot more sense lately.

Churchill

*looks at your sig*

What's the opposite of a centrist? :confused:

I admire nobody, regardless of their views.

I don't pay enough attention to what you people say about anything of consequence to remember who has views opposite to mine.


Fuck, I can barely remember what my views are.

I don't pay enough attention to what you people say about anything of consequence to remember who has views opposite to mine.


Fuck, I can barely remember what my views are.This is pretty much me. ^^

*looks at your sig*

What's the opposite of a centrist? :confused:

An extremist?

An extremist?

A hypocrite who's both extremes. Like, a communazi or something.

Richard Dawkins I suppose I would have to say.

An extremist?

A centrist isn't necessarily moderate, just someone who is between the left and the right.

Richard Dawkins, I do not agree with, nor do I agree with Neu Leonstein. But I respect Dawkins as a scientist, even though we would have theological disagreements. I also respect Neu Leonstein as a debater...even if he is a little bit too free market orientated for my tastes.

A centrist isn't necessarily moderate, just someone who is between the left and the right.
sorry for double post

But how does one define left and right...could not politics be seen in three or four dimensions, hmmm?
See also Vosem Chart, Nolan Chart, and Milstead (?) Chart for comparison. A man by the name of Steven Brinn, a sci fi writer I believe, wrote an article about politics in the three dimensions. It is on reformthelp.org

Iosef Stalin and Julius Caesar

Putin

I don't really think I admire anyone on the Religious Right...

A hypocrite who's both extremes.

Perhaps an anarcho-communist?

Fiction: Rorschach.

Reality: Jimmy Carter.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama

And why, pray tell us, do you admire him?

Fiction: Rorschach.


"It is not God that kills the children, nor destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It is us. Only us."

I would think that you'd agree with Rorscach a bit more Parkus, not to the point of, well, agreeing, but enough to say that you aren't opposites.

"It is not God that kills the children, nor destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It is us. Only us."

I would think that you'd agree with Rorscach a bit more Parkus, not to the point of, well, agreeing, but enough to say that you aren't opposites.

It would be pretty hard to find a total opposite I admired (he would have to believe we should exterminate all blacks). Rorschach is a bit crazy as far as political views go (see his reading material), and he seems to think most of the world should perish for its sins--still, he has a strict, albeit hypocritical, moral code, and I can relate to his feelings, considering his past.

The average person is opposite of some of the religious right. David Duke is a moderate to some of the religious right.

And why, pray tell us, do you admire him?

Well here's a guy who was basically nobody 3 years ago, who not only went from almost total obscurity to the Presidency of the United States, but he did it despite resistance from the Clintons AND the entire Republican party while at the same time making history by getting through racial barriers.

I disagree with his politics, but ya gotta respect the man for that.

David Icke. A raving nutter, conspiracy theorist, wrong on so many counts - yet in the films I've seen him in, he comes across as a genuine, passionate, albiet misguided individual. He's an idiot, but I wouldn't mind arguing with him over a pint. That's about as close to respect as I feel capable.

What are Icke's political views?

for an historical person, i admire Napoleon.

he had such focus and fire, he must have been a magnetic personality.

What are Icke's political views?

Alien Reptilian Jewish humanoids rule the planet.

LOL, him! I thought his name sounded familiar...

for an historical person, i admire Napoleon.

he had such focus and fire, he must have been a magnetic personality.

I almost picked Napoleon, but he's not enough of an opposite for me.

Not an individual, but a group: The Amish. I disagree with their religious views, but admire them for living the life they preach, without bothering anyone. You don't see that very often.

Not an individual, but a group: The Amish. I disagree with their religious views, but admire them for living the life they preach, without bothering anyone. You don't see that very often.

True that.

The Dutch in general :)