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Yes this will probabaly not end well...

It came up at a drunken gathering so its not my fault but I ask you does the US rule the world?

the evidence is everywhere from cultural influence to the dominance the US holds in world trade and almost complete military hegemony (as much as yanks can >_>) but can it be said that the US is the worlds chief?

Now you could point out that the EU has the potential to rival the US and even operates without the US at times but it seems to operate less a separate entity to the US as much as a partner looking to in its wildest dreams be viewed as equal. (after all what need is there to go against the US when its so much more profitable to live in its "empire")

How about China? has China with its embracing of American-ish capitalism and almost emulation of what the US has become turned into a younger brother style entity?

Yes this will probabaly not end well...

Oh, relax. It'd be quite worse if you made a "SHOULD the US run the world" thread...

Yes. If only the rest of the world would just accept it and move on, things would be a lot easier.

Emphatic no. The US has broad economic and cultural influence, but very little direct control that can qualify as "rule". The view that the US is a new sort of Empire is fundamentally flawed, as it cannot directly dictate policy even to its closest allies, and conversely, is strongly influenced by its allies and other major international stakeholders.

The United States has major influence all over the world, but it would be a leap to say the United States rules the world. The US rules the world the way that Bill Gates rules the world - using Jews and the Illuminati, of course.

The US has the biggest influence on the world. Rule? No.

As for China I think we are starting to see a downward trend forming. That trend would be greatly increased if the US dollar collapses. However if that happens it wont be just China hurting.

Does the US rule the world? No. It is definitely an influential cultural, economic and military force but it's a loooong way from being THE dominant government on the global stage. A country so beholden to it's massive debt can hardly be considered truly autonomous and powerful, despite it's assertion of being so.

No.

Because the US still has little or no impact in many areas. The Middle East don't seem to be listening, neither does Africa or Russia, Hell most of Europe as well. Needing to use force can be seen as a sign of weakness.

Would the US even want to "rule" anyway, and could it, and more importantly, should it.

Oh, relax. It'd be quite worse if you made a "SHOULD the US run the world" thread...

wouldn't that be us just talking US types into dealing with all our problems :p

Yes. If only the rest of the world would just accept it and move on, things would be a lot easier.

does being your plucky sidekick count?

Emphatic no. The US has broad economic and cultural influence, but very little direct control that can qualify as "rule". The view that the US is a new sort of Empire is fundamentally flawed, as it cannot directly dictate policy even to its closest allies, and conversely, is strongly influenced by its allies and other major international stakeholders.

but you have to look at the amount of influence the US does have over the world for instance its hardly untrue that in todays age when the US sneezes the whole world catches a cold

not to mention what pull the US has in influencing the major powers of the world which unless Russia is in a huff makes itself almost impossible to work against the US successfully

The United States has major influence all over the world, but it would be a leap to say the United States rules the world. The US rules the world the way that Bill Gates rules the world - using Jews and the Illuminati, of course.

considering the US has gone against Bill Gates and won I don't know what that says :p

which country do you think has the world highest Jewish population?

the US does not Rule the World. It does have power in excess of its population and economic abilities. As for military ability while the US is able to operate most anywhere in the world and could defeat a great many foes even this has its limits.
for one the populace wont support an all out war unless you can convince them we were under severe threat.
two nuclear weapons make direct confrontation between certian powers a no no. (such as Russia in the Georgian incident. )

considering the US has gone against Bill Gates and won I don't know what that says :p

which country do you think has the world highest Jewish population?

We both still have major spheres of influence.

Israel?

but you have to look at the amount of influence the US does have over the world for instance its hardly untrue that in todays age when the US sneezes the whole world catches a cold

not to mention what pull the US has in influencing the major powers of the world which unless Russia is in a huff makes itself almost impossible to work against the US successfully


Those are more reflective of the interdependence of the global community than of an imperial status for the United States, though. The US is very influential and significant, that's certain, it may even be (as the Clinton admin claimed) "indispensible" to the proper functioning of the global system, but it is unable to dictate policy in most places.

The world is ruled in secret by a small group of lunatics in a mental hospital in West Virginia. All the major decisions that control international and national politics are made by these wackos and none of us are aware of their existence(except for other wackos like me). They're called the "Illuminutty". *nod*

does being your plucky sidekick count?
Only if its of the hot girl in spandex variety.

"Kind of...but only kind of" - Friend next to me.

The world is ruled in secret by a small group of lunatics in a mental hospital in West Virginia. All the major decisions that control international and national politics are made by these wackos and none of us are aware of their existence(except for other wackos like me). They're called the "Illuminutty". *nod*

So... The Bavarian branch is...

The Illuminutty Bavarian (http://www.nuttyb.com/)?

So... The Bavarian branch is...

The Illuminutty Bavarian (http://www.nuttyb.com/)?

Well, he can't exactly have an airport named after him, can he? :tongue:

Only in the big heads of its citizens...

No, not in the sense that the U. S. can create and enforce policy anywhere in the world. Play a large role? Certainly, but to me 'rule' would require direct government control or perhaps some sort of vassal state arrangement.

Only in the big heads of its citizens...

Silence! I will not take such wanton disrespect from a BRIT! Damned foreigners, can't let them get too uppity. Sawyer, escort this fool out to the factory, some hard labor will learn him some respect for his superiors. :D

Only in the big heads of its citizens...

"Heh... hehhehheh.... i rule things... awesome... i'm awesome... USARMY!!!!!!... woooo!!!...musclecarmusclecarhamburger...." - what goes through my head every moment of every day

In a direct sense, no. In an indirect sense, I suspect not. That the USA remains the single most influential and potent state on the planet is undoubted, but I doubt it wields the influence requisite to "ruling the world".

lol, knew id get that reaction, the US dosent rule the world, and i sincerley hope it never will, i wouldnt want any 1 nation to rule the world and certainly not a centre-right one (which includes the UK)

America doesn't rule the world the same way that the Roman Empire did, or Alexander, or the Persians. But I do think that America has a good deal of cultural and political muscle that has been flexed to one extent or another and for one reason or another over the years.

I would say 'no' but only because the definition of 'rule the world' has changed.

Can the US exercise hegemony and influence beyond its borders to a greater degree than other nations? Yes. But in all honesty, if the US was an international government, it could best be compared to level of influence Pakistan has in the Afghan border region

Yes this will probabaly not end well...

It came up at a drunken gathering so its not my fault but I ask you does the US rule the world?


No that's silly.
China does.

No, but we damn well should.

Yes. If only the rest of the world would just accept it and move on, things would be a lot easier.

^This^. What the rest of you didn't get the memo? Check your mail.

No that's silly.
China does.

Are you kidding they are making running shoes for us.

is anyone actully argueing that the US rules the world?

if the US dollar collapses*le sigh*

Colbert mentioned us moving into soybeans.

is anyone actully argueing that the US rules the world?

We don't but we should.

No man, the US doesn't run the world, The Vatican does! The Vatican is the seat of world power, controls the UN, and world finances! Jack Chick said so! :p

We don't but we should.

pick the best arguer and have him/her argue the US does in fact rule the world.

influence? Yes.

Rule? No. We can't even control the blasted sandbox of Iraq. For the record, we shouldn't have even tried that.

influence? Yes.

Rule? No. We can't even control the blasted sandbox of Iraq. For the record, we shouldn't have even tried that.

if we turned it to glass first then it would be much easier.

The U.S. doesn't rule the world for four important reasons:

1) We don't want to...America is, and has been at heart an isolationist nation. Having an isolationist nation actually ruling the world makes no sense. (We may seem interventionist at the moment but they someone poked us in the eye again didn't they)

2) Technically, Like Russia and China we are 'Empires' without ruling over other nations. That is we rule a wide territorial area or areas with diverse cultural and political structures from a central government. Just trying to keep that internal mechanics together really takes a damper of ruling the rest of the world.

3) Really we want you to buy our stuff. Note we may not have made it, but we designed it or partially owned it, or payed for its manufacturing. In the end, our entire stick is selling you stuff you don't need and convincing you that you want it. Of course we then buy even more stuff that we don't need either so it's actually a net negative

4) We couldn't cover all the nations of the world even if we tried.

pick the best arguer and have him/her argue the US does in fact rule the world.

Well, if the US actually had the resources to rule the world, it would lead to greater order.

Well, if the US actually had the resources to rule the world, it would lead to greater order.Based on how clearly orderly the U.S. is, and how well of an example it sets.

*le sigh*

Colbert mentioned us moving into soybeans.
Soybeans aren't very large, so I can't imagine that they would provide adequate shelter if China should buy the entire country and force us all out of our homes.
Unless he wanted to move into soybean fields, I guess there might be some decent wind breakage to be had there, if you lay flat between the rows.

No, the US does not rule the world.

I guess there might be some decent wind breakage to be had thereWell, anywhere i lay has some decent wind breakage as long as there's soybeans involved.

Well, if the US actually had the resources to rule the world, it would lead to greater order.

Based on how clearly orderly the U.S. is, and how well of an example it sets.

i think that's because if we had the resources we needed, then we wouldnt have to invade Iraq for theirs. So world much safer.

i think that's because if we had the resources we needed, then we wouldnt have to invade Iraq for theirs. So world much safer.
Haveta-could don't necessarily = wanta-could.
:(

i think that's because if we had the resources we needed, then we wouldnt have to invade Iraq for theirs. So world much safer.

It would be a sort-of Hobbesian hegemony on the international stage. Hence, order.

Yes this will probabaly not end well...

It came up at a drunken gathering so its not my fault but I ask you does the US rule the world?

the evidence is everywhere from cultural influence to the dominance the US holds in world trade and almost complete military hegemony (as much as yanks can >_>) but can it be said that the US is the worlds chief?

Now you could point out that the EU has the potential to rival the US and even operates without the US at times but it seems to operate less a separate entity to the US as much as a partner looking to in its wildest dreams be viewed as equal. (after all what need is there to go against the US when its so much more profitable to live in its "empire")

How about China? has China with its embracing of American-ish capitalism and almost emulation of what the US has become turned into a younger brother style entity?

The NWO does silly. :rolleyes:

Nah, we dont rule the world, The US and Allies are just members of the "cool kids" Clique in the world, we just happen to be the Danny Zuko, so to speak, of said clique, lol


Everyone else is either a background dancer, or part of The Scorpions, lol...

It would be a sort-of Hobbesian hegemony on the international stage. Hence, order.

i like Hobbes thats how we should run countries.

i like Hobbes thats how we should run countries.

Now see, I'm more of a Calvin-ist myself.

Yes this will probabaly not end well...

It came up at a drunken gathering so its not my fault but I ask you does the US rule the world?

the evidence is everywhere from cultural influence to the dominance the US holds in world trade and almost complete military hegemony (as much as yanks can >_>) but can it be said that the US is the worlds chief?

No, the US aren't the world chief, though they would really like to be it.

Still they have to rely for their military power on their european allies (see Afghanistan). Still they need China to sustain their own debt. Still they need the low-wage workers of southeast Asia.

Yes, the US are a superpower, but this is different from being able to effectively rule the world.

The US is not independent, should China suddenly decide to completely embargo the US, it would last longer.

Of course it doesn't. It has great influence, but when it struggles to deal with Iraq and Afghanistan, and in the economic sphere China and India are rising to become major rivals, I hardly think it can be described as a hegemon.

No the US doesn't rule the world. Just its own territory, the Philippines, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and about a dozen or so other small nations.