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I'm just wondering, my nation did before it went into anarchy, it was "Civil Rights Lovefest". I'm paleo-conservative, bordering on libertarian

No. I don't think anyone see a corrupt dictatorship as the ideal. Broadly speaking, I'm a social democrat, though I'm not to the left on all issues.

No. I don't think anyone see a corrupt dictatorship as the ideal. Broadly speaking, I'm a social democrat, though I'm not to the left on all issues.
Mind if I ask which issues?

It's fairly close.

I consider myself libertarian on social issues and social democrat on economic issues. My NS1 nation comes fairly close to that.

My main nation was created to explore an exaggerated psychotic evil dictator model for role-play with a few friends. It's a polar opposite of my RL philosophy.

Mind if I ask which issues?

Fair enough. I'm using left/right in its widely understood and flawed definition here, rather than just referring to economics.

1. Censorship etc - I think there should be quite stringent regulations on what is shown on TV, particularly outside of the late night period, and I support people under a certain age not being able to buy violent video games
2. Social Security- I support withdrawal of benefits if people refuse the opportunity of work, though this is because I'm strongly in favour of the welfare state, and lazy people exploiting it and wrecking its' reputation pisses me off.
3. Abortion - I'm uncomfortable with abortion, and think monetary incentives should be offered to keep unwanted children and offer them up for adoption, though I wouldn't support measures to restrict abortion for those who want it.

There are probably more. My brain isn't working too well at the moment due to essays.

Well for the last 1238 days my nation was pretty close, but a couple of days ago it was reclassified as "Liberal Democratic Socialists" making it absolutely bang on right.

I'm just wondering, my nation did before it went into anarchy, it was "Civil Rights Lovefest". I'm paleo-conservative, bordering on libertarian


Actually mine, Libertarian Police State, actually fits my ideology quite well.

Mine does not, though some of my policies and decisions have come to similar conclusions by entirely different means. For example, I support nuclear power plants as a form of energy. My nation, of course, supports them as a means to nuke everyone.

Dumb Ideologies, we really are not too much different concerning political beliefs. As for me , I am both a Christian socialist and democratic socialist. Korintar does come close. I support direct democracy (initiative, referendum, recall, and sortition), I believe in proportional representation, nested councils, states' rights, popular sovereignty, etc.

I believe the banks should be nationalized, not bailed out, there is a difference. What I mean is using the might of the federal government's regulatory agencies and other powers to take over all the private banks and put them under direct oversight and regulation of the Federal Reserve. Rule 'em with an iron fist... however this increase in power for the Fed will be accompanied with democratic reforms making the board an elective body, and have the power devolved to the states.

I believe there should be a large welfare state, including universal healthcare, and that the income cap on Social Security payroll tax should be abolished.

As far as social policy, abortion, gay marriage, polygamy, drug use, school prayer, and affirmative action, I am generally conservative, however I do think that the government should not discriminate between gay and straight couples in terms of legal rights. Also instead of trying to regulate abortion rights towards the point where it is nominal, there should be some sort of incentive given for choosing open adoption, as a child has the right to know where he/she originally came from, and for pre-nuptial marriage counseling.

As for foreign policy, I believe that a strict, literalist interpretation of Just War Doctrine, as stated by the Roman Catholic Church, is a wise choice in governance as it prevents incidents like Vietnam or Iraq. Also strict adherence to American neutrality doctrine must be key if we are to gain respect in the world community. In other words, Israel and Palestine, we will recognize the legitimacy of both your states when you choose to recognize each other and solve your differences peaceably.

Dumb Ideologies, we really are not too much different concerning political beliefs...

Well, I do agree with most of that. Where we do differ is on gay marriage - which I have no reservations in supporting, though I would not force churches that don't agree with the idea to carry out gay marriages against the Church's will - and on affirmative action. Otherwise, I can see little I disagree with, though for me there's no religious basis to any of it, since I'm agnostic and do not personally find any of the narratives offered by the major religions very attractive.

I've got a lot of time for Christian socialists. I think they are a lot closer to what Jesus actually taught than the evangelical right. But being more consistent means less opportunities for me to poke holes and make fun, which makes me a sad panda.

In some ways. It was originally intended to be very similar to the University of Planet from Alpha Centauri - dedicated to knowledge and opposed to religion. Sometimes that role gets the better of me when I post here ;)

Nope I voted other. I got two nations who that a evil government that does all these evils things and likes guns. The other is a civil right lovefeast and the point is to pick the most extreme opotions for that nation "belifs" to get them higher up on the UN rankings.

I'd change "New York Times" to "Washington Times", but otherwise pretty close.

Pretty much a polar opposite, as my nation is a theocratic dictatorship.

100% tax rate and alcohol being banned? fuck that

the NS2 one was for awhile but I'm kinda screwed on my budget and being a nation of farmers :(

2. Social Security- I support withdrawal of benefits if people refuse the opportunity of work, though this is because I'm strongly in favour of the welfare state, and lazy people exploiting it and wrecking its' reputation pisses me off.

aren't you a student :p

Currently yes, although my nation has been utterly marred by my stupid, stupid communist past. 100% tax rate mah baws.

I've been trying to "collect them all" on the descriptions: I've been stuck at "Iron Fisted Consumerists" for a long time, trying to get "Psychotic Dictatorship" but I just can't seem to ruin the economy enough.
My NS2 nation, on the other hand, is a Civil Rights Lovefest; I keep it alive to assuage my conscience for the terrible things I do to my NS1 people.

aren't you a student :p

Good point, well made :p

Well, I do agree with most of that. Where we do differ is on gay marriage - which I have no reservations in supporting, though I would not force churches that don't agree with the idea to carry out gay marriages against the Church's will - and on affirmative action. Otherwise, I can see little I disagree with, though for me there's no religious basis to any of it, since I'm agnostic and do not personally find any of the narratives offered by the major religions very attractive.

I've got a lot of time for Christian socialists. I think they are a lot closer to what Jesus actually taught than the evangelical right. But being more consistent means less opportunities for me to poke holes and make fun, which makes me a sad panda.

Actually, I said legal equality, I believe, but that does not mean that a church could not deny recognition or performance of the ceremony if it so wishes.

I almost had it then I started losing it and I'm trying to get it back..... close but no shebang....

Currently yes

there have been sightings of people walking around dressed in nothing but leopard-skin g-strings for 'religious reasons'

O_o

Not even close. My country reflects the way I would act if I were the leader of a nation where every single person enjoyed the same privileges that I would enjoy as leader, or, alternatively, where I was the only person in the nation.

My nation is partly parody, partly paradox.

I'm much more pragmatic than "Left wing utopia" would suggest.

Parody - I grossly exaggerate my beliefs. I believe in political freedom - but burning everything down? I believe in environmentalism - but forcing everyone to live in trees? I'm a vegetarian - but making it compulsory?

Paradox - Is there any other left wing nation in NationStates with a 0% tax rate? I've never seen another. I like to think Errinundera is unique.

Try Lazy Faerie. No government, no taxes, Democratic Socialists and an Imploded economy.

Try Lazy Faerie. No government, no taxes, Democratic Socialists and an Imploded economy.

Well, I'll be hornswoggled. Not as left-wing as Errinundera, though.

It's vaguely similar, but I have not infrequently picked positions on issues based on what seems like it would be amusing rather than what actually sounds like a good idea. So, for example, my nation currently has something like a 95% income tax, because I think that's funny. :tongue:

The The The The The of of of of of IL Ruffino is a colossal, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its sprawling nuclear power plants. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 7.142 billion are ruled by a mostly-benevolent dictator, who grants the populace the freedom to live their own lives but watches carefully for anyone to slip up.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, corrupt government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Law & Order, Defence, and Education. The average income tax rate is 81%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Arms Manufacturing industry.

Citizens are forced to donate blood once every three months, eminent domain has been abolished, rumor has it that the government was paid off by the mob to allow casinos to reopen, and citizens must pay to enjoy IL Ruffino's pristine beaches. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare*. IL Ruffino's national animal is the of, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the the.

:)

*Not sure how that works, since my country doesn't do welfare.

Mine is close.

Me: Center-right with libertarian influences

Tolvan: Center-right with libertarian influences and a monarchy/peerage system

I just like RP as a sort of modern day British Empire (thoughnot on the scale of many others in II).

Current nations? No they do not reflect my beliefs, though in saying that some do simply by coincidence but I didn't go out there looking for that.

In previous nations I have run some have been in-line with my beliefs and that is when I have done it on purpose.

A lot of intersting responses. :)

Just ran throught the good old politcial compass for the first time in ages:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

That's the first time ever I've scored - on the econ scale! :eek:

My "legacy" nation:

The Incorporated States of Daistallia
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum"

Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights:Excellent
Economy:Frightening
Political Freedoms:World Benchmark
Location: Daistallia

Regional Influence: Power

The Incorporated States of Daistallia is a gargantuan, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its parental licensing program. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 12.036 billion are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt individuals is effectively ruled by the Department of Defence, with areas such as Social Welfare and Social Equality receiving almost no funds by comparison. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Arms Manufacturing industry, followed by Beef-Based Agriculture and Gambling.

Government officials frequently cut taxes as a distraction from antics with their secretaries, half of Daistallia's doctors can't speak the language, citizens who leave the country are officially classed as traitors, and the nation has opened its arms to an influx of refugees. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force. Daistallia's national animal is the Trout, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the coin.

Daistallia is ranked 1st in the region and 1,916th in the world for Largest Agricultural Sector.

VS my main nation nowadays:
The Confederated Cantons of Daistallia 2104
"Eleftheria i thanatos"

Category: Anarchy
Civil Rights:Superb
Economy:Frightening
Political Freedoms:Superb
Location: Daistallia

Regional Influence: Power

The Confederated Cantons of Daistallia 2104 is a gargantuan, safe nation, remarkable for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 11.184 billion live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business individuals concentrates mainly on Defence, although Education and Law & Order are secondary priorities. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Information Technology industry, followed by Gambling and Uranium Mining.

Same-sex marriages are increasingly common, the latest Harry Potter book is a bestseller, military spending is on the increase, and birds and children's kites are regularly brought down by anti-aircraft fire. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Daistallia 2104's national animal is the trout, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the Daistallian Gold Coin.

Daistallia 2104 is ranked 5th in the region and 8,232nd in the world for Largest Agricultural Sector.

Another puppet's stats probably best reflect my thought:

The Republic of Novus Helvetica

"Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"
Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Civil Rights:
Superb Economy:
Very Strong Political Freedoms:
Excellent
Location: Daistallia

Regional Influence: Enforcer

The Republic of Novus Helvetica is a massive, devout nation, remarkable for its sprawling nuclear power plants. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 2.436 billion hold their civil and political rights very dear, although the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, liberal government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Education, Healthcare, and Defence. The average income tax rate is 100%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Arms Manufacturing industry, followed by Book Publishing and Information Technology.

There's a shortage of swinging hot spots as land development grinds to a halt, all tariffs have been abolished, the number of students attending university has reached a record high, and the commercialisation of highly deadly weapons has instilled Novus Helvetica with a very polite populace. Crime is well under control, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Novus Helvetica's national animal is the national animal, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the Novus Helvetica Franc.

Novus Helvetica is ranked 9th in the region and 40,622nd in the world for Largest Agricultural Sector.

If I were to run the zoo IRL, it might look a bit like the above...

Just ran throught the good old politcial compass for the first time in ages:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

That's the first time ever I've scored - on the econ scale! :eek:

My "legacy" nation:



VS my main nation nowadays:


Another puppet's stats probably best reflect my thought:



If I were to run the zoo IRL, it might look a bit like the above...

I also have "puppet" nations, just having fun with those governments, when I started out, the 1st nation was "Iron Fisted Consumerist", then I lightened up a bit on the people, now it's "Father Knows Best" state, lol

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=North%20Gregoria

The other one, I started out as a socialist democracy, then it went into "New York Times Democracy", then it went back to "Liberal Democratic Socialists"
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=South%20Gregoria

Mostly, yes.

Somewhat. My NS nation has no taxation at all, and it's categorized as "Anarchy." It also ranks highly in both civil rights and political freedoms.

mine is close. I tend to be more authoritarian in my state mostly because i believe if i am in charge I should be obeyed. but if anyone else in charge they should be ignored.

mine is close. I tend to be more authoritarian in my state mostly because i believe if i am in charge I should be obeyed. but if anyone else in charge they should be ignored.

Lol.

Lol.

whats so funny. If the world jsut did as i said. Well okay it would likely be in utter chaos. but i would have gold palaces and a harem teenagers.

whats so funny. If the world jsut did as i said. Well okay it would likely be in utter chaos. but i would have gold palaces and a harem teenagers.

I just find it amusing, is all. :tongue:

I just find it amusing, is all. :tongue:

stop fidning it amusing and help me live my dream.

I'm just wondering, my nation did before it went into anarchy, it was "Civil Rights Lovefest". I'm paleo-conservative, bordering on libertarian
i have a main nation and a colony. the colony, grades is an inoffensive centrist democracy, as of yesterday while behaved is a new york times democracy. i am basically centrist. the center is average of right and left. i guess i'm a little left on some things and a little right on others. like, i am socially conservative regarding abortion and gay marriage. econmically, i don't care for CEO's to make a zillion dollars, while the workers struggle. i am not a total socialist, though. on the american scale, probably a closest to conservative democrat, but a highly moderate one. i am registered independent.

ok i checked grades and it is now capitalist paradise

This should have been a multiple-choice poll. My main nation (which is not my forum nation) reflects my beliefs well. Two are for me to play as a dictator, one is to reflect the Catholic church as best I can, and the last is for me to reflect ancient Rome (100 B.C. - 100 A.D.) as best I can.

Yes, im difficult to describe terminology-wise...Im hardcore Libertarian in my Social and Political beliefs, but when it comes to the Economy i prefer the Government to reign in the Capitalizt Pigs...


And I chose a Constitutional Monarchy as my government because, I think a fourth element is needed in the checks and balances system, something that can reign in the Executive and is free from politics...

My American Government teacher used the Rock-Paper-Scissors analogy which fits well, because, in the words of a great comedian, Rock breaks Scissors, Scissors cuts paper, but, although Paper covers Rock, Rock is still fully functional, you need Rock-Paper-Scissors-Dynamite with a Cuttable Wick, lol...

on NS2 i explained it like this:

The Head of State is the High King (Ard Ri) of Skalvia: Ard Ri Cathall Agtobar II. The Crown is the Commander–in–Chief of the Military and head of the Executive Branch, which has the power to appoint ministers and cabinet members(Secretary of State, Minister of Defence, etc.), to override a Prime Minister veto, and call Parliament into session. The King also has the power to take Direct control of the Military following an appointment by Parliament.

The Parliament is bicameral, consisting of the High Council, and the House of Representatives, which has the power to write and pass Legislation, as well as override an Executive Veto. the Head of Government is the Prime Minister, who is chosen by and also presides over Parliament. The Prime Minister has the power to sign legislation into law, as well as Veto legislation passed by Parliament.

The Judicial Branch consists of the Supreme Court whose judges are appointed by the Prime Minister with High Council approval, appoints, interpret laws, and can overturn laws they deem unconstitutional.

Sort of a hybrid of Westminster and US Federalist systems....

No, mine doesn't, not even my main nation. I made my main nations like evil dictatorships, and then some other puppets to play around with. This one is fascist but with a stupid little pun that I thought was kind of funny to go along with it.

Hmmm.

I generally consider myself socially moderate, economically and politically leaning authoritarian.

My main nation is a fairly capitalist, liberal nation with democracy on at least the local level. While it reflects my views in RP, it's slightly off in NS:
Category: Capitalist Paradise
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Very Good
Location: SA Holding Space

Regional Influence: Dominator

The Constitutional Monarchy of Saevitian Archipelago is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its keen interest in outer space. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 479 million are either ruled by a small, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, pro-business morass -- juggles the competing demands of Defence, Social Welfare, and Education. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 30%. A large private sector is led by the Door-to-door Insurance Sales industry, followed by Arms Manufacturing and Trout Farming.

Schools have extensive counseling programs for troubled students, newborns are being raised as mindless killing machines, birds and children's kites are regularly brought down by anti-aircraft fire, and the nation has welcomed its expats back with open arms. Crime is a problem, probably because of the country's utter lack of prisons. Saevitian Archipelago's national animal is the Robin Redbreast, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Crown.

Saint Clair Island, being a non-RPing puppet, reflects my real views more accurately, although I'd probably prefer Inoffensive Centrist Democracy or Father Knows Best State:

Category: Capitalist Paradise
Civil Rights: Average
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Some
Location: SA Holding Space

Regional Influence: Dominator

The Constitutional Monarchy of Saint Clair Island is a large, economically powerful nation, notable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 92 million are either ruled by a small, efficient government or a conglomerate of multinational corporations; it's difficult to tell which.

The medium-sized, pro-business government juggles the competing demands of Law & Order, Education, and Defence. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 10%. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Information Technology, Cheese Exports, and Gambling industries.

Eight year-olds with lemonade stands have been known to be locked up on charges of embezzlement, all streets are privately owned toll roads, an increasing percentage of the population's youth have homosexual parents, and criminals are executed and their property seized. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Saint Clair Island's national animal is the robin redbreast, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the crown.

Saint Clair Island is ranked 2nd in the region and 20,189th in the world for Largest Soda Pop Sector.

I try to make it reflect my beliefs.

I'm practically a fascist. That's what I base my country on.

which I have no reservations in supporting, though I would not force churches that don't agree with the idea to carry out gay marriages against the Church's will


I couldn't help but mention this because it made me laugh.

All you need for a "marriage" is to go to your local state house (or whatever) and get a marriage license. You don't need to actually have a wedding to be married and having only a wedding (at your respective religious institution) and no license means that in the eyes of the law you are not married.

Wipim, I think he is referring to some recent incidents in Sweden where clergy who spoke out against homosexuality or refused to perform such ceremonies were arrested or had the tax exempt status yanked from their congregations.

sadly... yes.

I put my government on Vacation... three months after I created it... :p

Nope, My NS nation is WAY too extreme for me

...Unless I was the ruler of a real country...THEN the world will know dictatorship. oh yes I will take over britain and RULE IT WITH AN IRON FIST HAHAHAHAHA..... ahem. xD

Well, I suppose somewhat. Certain things I do not like I allow, so I'm a Libertarian on social issues and a fiscal conservative. My nation is huge on environmental issues (in favor), and yes, it is very much to the liking of my beliefs. Its also anti-organized-denominational religions and it favors personal spirituality and things like that. If you want check it out and you can ask me more. The two I use are Kristoph Gavin and Miles Edgeworth.

I couldn't help but mention this because it made me laugh.

All you need for a "marriage" is to go to your local state house (or whatever) and get a marriage license. You don't need to actually have a wedding to be married and having only a wedding (at your respective religious institution) and no license means that in the eyes of the law you are not married.

I couldn't help but mention this because it made me laugh.

All you need to do before quoting me is exercise the most basic reading comprehension. I'm fully aware that you can get a marriage license without being married in Church. In fact, its pretty much central to the point I was making.

Seeing as most churches would probably not want to hold gay marriages, its pretty simple to infer that since a) I said I'm in favour of gay marriages, and b) I've argued churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay people, then a majority of gay marriages, would probably be, yes, you've guessed it, NOT IN A CHURCH. Why on Earth you are making the point that people can get married outside Church as if thats something I haven't recognized, I have no idea.

Ja. I think for myself, and am dedicated to keeping a frightening economy, and a relatively happy population.

Wipim, I think he is referring to some recent incidents in Sweden where clergy who spoke out against homosexuality or refused to perform such ceremonies were arrested or had the tax exempt status yanked from their congregations.
It always amuses me to see how the stories get spun.
We had a whole thread about what happened in Sweden, which was that a small radical party proposed requiring all clergy to perform religious ceremonies for same-sex couples; this proposal got shouted down, and the party lost ground in the polls so that it probably won't even make the minimum threshold to have one seat in their parliament the next time.

I don't think it's technically possible. You have to govern by waiting for people to come to you with issues and then taking someone else's recommendation. I strongly believe that that is a terrible way to run things.

Not in the slightest, I do what gets economic and military growth for my nation.

Let's see...

My nation gets classifications such as Civil Rights Lovefest and Left Wing Utopia...
No funding for religion and the churches have to pay taxes...
Civil Rights and Political Freedoms are both Superb...
Nudity is acceptable, abortion is acceptable, government is quite big...
Top spending is education, social equality, and social welfare...

So yeah, it matches my position (which is around Gandhi & the Dalai Lama -- and therefore further left than most US democrats) pretty well!

...okay, I took the political compass quiz and got this:
Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
Usually it's further to the left, but it naturally fluctuates a bit since I can't choose "No opinion" on issues that, well, I have no opinion on....

Within a certain margin of error, it does. The issues are often blown out of proportion, and the responses we are limited to don't always cover all the bases, but for the most part my nation's policy reflects my political beliefs..

No - the issues are too narrowly defined and influenced by their author. For instance, I just had the death penalty issue, there were only 2 choices, and the rationale for my choice was completely opposed to why I chose it. A tick box system would work better - select what you want and why, perhaps more directly than being veiled in stories.

No - the issues are too narrowly defined and influenced by their author. For instance, I just had the death penalty issue, there were only 2 choices, and the rationale for my choice was completely opposed to why I chose it. A tick box system would work better - select what you want and why, perhaps more directly than being veiled in stories.

if you don't like any of the choices, then dismiss the issue.