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What's the ideal number of friends?

Kyronea
03-03-2009, 18:05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7920434.stm

What's the ideal number of friends?

By Tom Geoghegan
BBC News Magazine
The more friends you have, the more you earn, says a study. But modern life can allow little time to maintain meaningful relationships, so what's the optimum number of friends?

It's widely accepted that friendships are invaluable to the soul but few of us were aware that they could also boost the bank account.

A study of 10,000 US students over a period of 35 years suggests the wealthiest people are those that had the most friends at school. Each extra schoolfriend added 2% to the salary.

The researchers said this was because the workplace is a social setting and those with the best social skills prosper in management and teamwork.
'I HAVE 700 FRIENDS'
# Toks Timson, 41, from Croydon, has 707 Facebook friends
# 'I actually know or have met or worked with or went to school with or am related to at least 550.
# 'The others are just friends of friends or random adds from people.
# 'Having that number of friends is a lot of work for sure. I'm a bit of a raver and also someone who makes friends easily.'

If a wide circle of friends is taken as a popularity indicator, does that mean the more you have the more successful and happy you are? Or can you have too many? What is the best number?

The average number is about 150, says leading anthropologist Robin Dunbar.

It may sound like a lot, but think of your Christmas card list - 50 cards to 50 couples = 100 friends.

"It's the number of people that you know as persons and you know how they fit into your social world and they know how you fit into theirs. They are a group of people to which you have an obligation of friendship."

They usually consist of an inner circle of five "core" people and an additional layer of 10, he says. That makes 15 people - some will probably be family members - who are your central group and then outside that, there's another 35 in the next circle and another 100 on the outside. And that's one person's social world.
“ Aristotle said friends must have eaten salt together ”
Philosopher Mark Vernon

Friendships help us develop as people, says Mark Vernon, author of The Philosophy of Friendship, but the very term "friend" covers a whole range of relationships. You have a very close friendship with your partner but with others it may just be a common interest or history or simply children the same age.

"Aristotle said friends must have eaten salt together and what he meant is there's a sense that people have lived a significant part of their life together. They've sat down and shared meals and the ups and downs of life.

"You really have to have mulled over things with them to become really good friends and there's only so many people you can do that with.

"You can have friends because of what you do together or enjoy something together like football or shopping, but they're not as profound friends as those who you love for themselves because of something in their character. And it doesn't matter what you're doing with them, even sitting alone in a room."

'One in, one out'

There's a limit to how many close friends like this you can have and it's probably between six and 12, he says.

"I think this idea that you can have virtually limitless numbers of friends does water down the concept of friendship. I think it's one of those things where less is more."

Not if you're a socialite like designer Nicky Haslam, who recently threw a party for 800 friends. But even people who don't inhabit the heady world of fashion and celebrity have too many friends to manage.

A newspaper columnist once told of her shock when, having struck up a rapport with a man over dinner, she was told at the end of the meal he had no vacancies for friends. He was operating a "one-in, one-out" policy. Six months later she received a card stating he was now available for friendship.

That's an extreme example but many people view their friendships scientifically and regulate them accordingly.
'I STREAMLINE FRINGE FRIENDS'
# Penny, a 35-year-old mum of two in Brighton, says she has 12 good friends but of those would only really confide in four
# 'There's not enough hours in the day or days in the week to see everyone.
# 'Certain people ask if I'm around to meet and I don't really want to commit because I've got other people I want to see.
# 'So you do start streamlining, but your oldest friends are always there.'

Julie, a 34-year-old PR consultant in London, says she has three categories of friends. Firstly there are nine close friends - the Premier League - whom she could ring any time of day or night and they would drop everything and come if necessary.

"I try to see them every few weeks and speak at least once a fortnight. I have a rota in my head and try and ring one of them each night as I drive home from work. It shows how pressured we are for time that speaking to friends is multi-tasking."

Julie's next social group has about 20 people, mostly men, whom she would see every couple of months, then there are more than 100 people beyond that on the outer fringes - friends from work, friends from her last job and friends from travelling.

"There are two people whom I don't really want to stay friends with but I don't have the heart to say no to. People I used to work with, they invite you to dinner and then you feel you have to invite them back, but you really don't have the time and it gets really stressful, especially since getting a boyfriend.

"I want to spend two nights a week with him, two nights to myself at home and two nights at the gym, so that leaves one night to see people."

There is a perception that as society has become more mobile, and traditional family bonds have loosened, friendships have become more fleeting. But on the other hand, modern technology has meant we can stay in touch with more people than ever.

"First email, then mobile, and now social networking sites like Facebook have made it much easier for people to grow their circle of friends beyond their immediate inner circle," says digital media expert Dan Clays of BLM Quantum.

"But the swelling is predominantly in the outer-reaches of their circle, and often the fringe group. If you were to examine the profile of someone's group of friends on Facebook, the probability is that a large contingent were accepted as friends out of curiosity and after an initial exchange, the level of dialogue slows down to a trickle."

This is especially apparent in the 16-24 audience group, the digital generation, he says, so it will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain that contact later in life.

But maybe we're too fixated on numbers, says Mr Vernon.

"Ask yourself about the quality of your friendships, not about the quantity."

Now this is a very interesting article. For me, I always have just a few friends because I have difficulty making new friends, and I prefer close friends rather than people I would randomly hang out with at random intervals.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:07
What's the ideal number of friends?

The more friends you have, the more you earn, says a study. But modern life can allow little time to maintain meaningful relationships, so what's the optimum number of friends?

It's widely accepted that friendships are invaluable to the soul but few of us were aware that they could also boost the bank account.

A study of 10,000 US students over a period of 35 years suggests the wealthiest people are those that had the most friends at school. Each extra schoolfriend added 2% to the salary.

The researchers said this was because the workplace is a social setting and those with the best social skills prosper in management and teamwork.

If a wide circle of friends is taken as a popularity indicator, does that mean the more you have the more successful and happy you are? Or can you have too many? What is the best number?

The average number is about 150, says leading anthropologist Robin Dunbar.

[stuff nobody cares about]

They usually consist of an inner circle of five "core" people and an additional layer of 10, he says. That makes 15 people - some will probably be family members - who are your central group and then outside that, there's another 35 in the next circle and another 100 on the outside. And that's one person's social world.

"You can have friends because of what you do together or enjoy something together like football or shopping, but they're not as profound friends as those who you love for themselves because of something in their character. And it doesn't matter what you're doing with them, even sitting alone in a room." (aww I so almost stopped making this thread at this point but I'm skint)

[stuff nobody cares about]

This is especially apparent in the 16-24 audience group, the digital generation, he says, so it will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain that contact later in life.

But maybe we're too fixated on numbers, says Mr Vernon.

"Ask yourself about the quality of your friendships, not about the quantity."

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7920434.stm)

so there you have it, how many friends do you consider in your "close" circle? do you have anything to say thats on topic instead of just ranting about yourself?

1) I think I got about 7 but then you make good friend when your crawling in shit at 6am :wink:

2) Don't be silly I just wanted to make people think OMAC is fucked only to find I'm poking fun of them
Western Mercenary Unio
03-03-2009, 18:09
I think someone posted this already.
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 18:11
It still made me shit myself; my life revolves around this game...
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:11
you win this round Mr Finger triathlon :mad:

I always have just a few friends because I have difficulty making new friends

why?

I prefer close friends rather than people I would randomly hang out with at random intervals.

you fail at reading the article
Londim
03-03-2009, 18:12
I don't know how many the optimum number of friends to have. Barring family it kind of works like this at the moment:

11 Close Friends -These know pretty much everything there is to know about me and I can talk to them about anything. Know my secrets and I know theirs

70 Friends -These know a lot about me, but not everything. I can go to them for advice for a lot but not everything. Know one or two of my secrets.

Approx 100 Acquantinces /People who I say hello to but don't really interact with past that.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:13
It still made me shit myself; my life revolves around this game...

you play NS all the time :eek2:

...what are we supposed to do?
Somewhereistonia
03-03-2009, 18:13
Different personality types will need/be satisfied with different numbers of friends. Many successful people are introverts and those that have lots of friends tend to be too busy with them to be genuinely successful. People also have different groups of friends and will respond differently based on their surroundings based on whatever group that has that association.

There is no clear statistical link (as far as I am aware) between high numbers of friends and success, I am highly skeptical about the research of 10,000 students, how do you even count the number of 'friends', counting over a period of 35 years also leads to high problems of inconsistency. Common sense would suggest that the opposite is the case.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:16
Many successful people are introverts and those that have lots of friends tend to be too busy with them to be genuinely successful.

article says no :p

also friends help you and stuff I don't know how you can be too busy for them

There is no clear statistical link (as far as I am aware) between high numbers of friends and success, I am highly skeptical about the research of 10,000 students, how do you even count the number of 'friends', counting over a period of 35 years also leads to high problems of inconsistency. Common sense would suggest that the opposite is the case.

how many warcraft addicts succeed in life?
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 18:16
The zero-er friends, the better.
Kryozerkia
03-03-2009, 18:17
Stealth merge! Bwahahahaha!

And there is no "ideal" number. It's whatever makes you feel comfortable. Some people thrive in having a large social circle, others prefer a smaller select number of close friends. It's all dependant on what your personality is.
Western Mercenary Unio
03-03-2009, 18:17
you play NS all the time :eek2:

...what are we supposed to do?

Or be on NSG all the time.
Dumb Ideologies
03-03-2009, 18:19
I have about four friends. Does this mean I will not be enjoying the mega monies? :(
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 18:20
Or be on NSG all the time.

It's actually more like the former... to be honest, this is the first time I've used NSG extensively. I've been a long time reader however, and this is not my original nation. I simply feel obligated to protect my identity; cyberbullying on the social networks can really damage you, as I've experienced...

Hence, the zero-er friends, the better.

Also, socially-based delusions tend to bias people's perspective on many viewpoints, making them ill-informed.
Kyronea
03-03-2009, 18:22
why?
Various reasons. My interests are generally rather different from most of my potential peers, I don't exactly get out all that often, etc etc...



you fail at reading the article
I, uh, I actually just skimmed it and then posted it because I thought NSG would find it interesting...:$
Western Mercenary Unio
03-03-2009, 18:22
It's actually more like the former... to be honest, this is the first time I've used NSG extensively. I've been a long time reader however, and this is not my original nation. I simply feel obligated to protect my identity; cyberbullying on the social networks can really damage you...

Hence, the zero-er friends, the better.

Also, socially-based delusions tend to bias people's perspective on many viewpoints, making them ill-informed.

The only reason I have this nation is so that I can post on NSG.
Lunatic Goofballs
03-03-2009, 18:23
The ideal number of friends is enough to play rugby with. :)
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:33
Stealth merge! Bwahahahaha!

nooo mah alarmist thread title :(

*has to wait for the glue to dry*

And there is no "ideal" number.

until your car breaks down or you need to set up your computer :p

Or be on NSG all the time.

things happen on NSG?!

I have about four friends. Does this mean I will not be enjoying the mega monies? :(

are any of them rich, alone and with heart trouble?

cyberbullying on the social networks can really damage you, as I've experienced...

gimme your lunch money!

Various reasons. My interests are generally rather different from most of my potential peers, I don't exactly get out all that often, etc etc...

.ie you never leave the house

go pub.
make friends.

or

get a hobby.
make friends.

I, uh, I actually just skimmed it and then posted it because I thought NSG would find it interesting...:$

its says your have 3 groups of friends one if close and is usually 5 then it goes out to like 15 and so on

you can't "have a few close friends" because everyone has a few close friends

The ideal number of friends is enough to play rugby with. :)

what about subs? :P
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 18:36
*snip on your advice to the second last quote*

For some people it's not as simple as this; when you're predisposed to introversion, not only is it hard to beat, it's often counterproductive to beat it.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:39
For some people it's not as simple as this; when you're predisposed to introversion, not only is it hard to beat, it's often counterproductive to beat it.

self confidence and social skills are never counterproductive
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 18:46
self confidence and social skills are never counterproductive

It's not the only route to self-styled success; and it is counterproductive to character development beyond becoming a patched quilt of personalities, quite seriously...
Free Soviets
03-03-2009, 18:50
the ideal number of friends is 14.5
Western Mercenary Unio
03-03-2009, 18:51
the ideal number of friends is 14.5

How can you have a half friend?
Call to power
03-03-2009, 18:56
It's not the only route to self-styled success

tell me how I can succeed living in moms basement slowly going crazy?

it is counterproductive to character development beyond becoming a patched quilt of personalities, quite seriously...

oh noez I might pick up things from other people!11

how is this bad?

How can you have a half friend?

well you can't really call your Wang a full friend can you :p
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 19:01
tell me how I can succeed living in moms basement slowly going crazy?

Do something similarly crazy; an invention or wild business idea that might be unacceptable now but revolutionise whatever you're aiming to change or do.



oh noez I might pick up things from other people!11

how is this bad?

This destroys the opportunity for the former thing I talked about before this quote...

well you can't really call your Wang a full friend can you :p

That would be .75 in my case... okay, that's a lie; I wish...
Smunkeeville
03-03-2009, 19:08
I have 176 "friends" on my facebook. I would say about 150 of them are "people I see more than once a week who I talk to about superficial things" about 20 of them are "people I talk to daily online or IRL" and about 6 of them are really friends, like I can count on them friends.

I would suppose I have about 14 "real friends" and then the rest of the probably 600 people I talk to or interact with in my daily life are "contacts".....I might go to a game with them, or invite them for dinner, but they aren't the ones I call when my life is shitty.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 19:12
Do something similarly crazy; an invention or wild business idea that might be unacceptable now but revolutionise whatever you're aiming to change or do.

I'm sorry but you can't make yourself autistic

This destroys the opportunity for the former thing I talked about before this quote...

considering this personality you plan on growing is going to be the anti-social arsehole who steals kids footballs I fail to see the development

seriously people are social animals

That would be .75 in my case... okay, that's a lie; I wish...

I have a 25 but I happen to have another 75 hammering it in :$
Knights of Liberty
03-03-2009, 19:13
How can you have a half friend?

Midgets.
UNIverseVERSE
03-03-2009, 19:18
tell me how I can succeed living in moms basement slowly going crazy?

That's not what introversion means. Broadly speaking, an introvert is someone who finds interacting with people tiring, and being alone refreshing, while an extrovert is the opposite. Or one could say that an extrovert thrives on large social gatherings, while an introvert thrives on solitude or small events.
Call to power
03-03-2009, 19:22
an introvert is someone who finds interacting with people tiring, and being alone refreshing

and how is this not being a basement weirdo?
UNIverseVERSE
03-03-2009, 19:40
and how is this not being a basement weirdo?

Because this doesn't mean introverts are never found at social events or interacting with other people. They can be. They quite often will enjoy it. But they find it tiring, and will need plenty of time on their own to 'recharge' afterwards.

Your 'basement wierdo' is an incredibly extreme example - the corresponding extrovert would be someone who positively has to spend every waking moment with other people, talking and interacting, always the center of attention. Just as this is not required for someone to be an extrovert, being a basement wierdo is not required to be an introvert (for a start, I live on the first floor).
Taboksol
03-03-2009, 20:29
I'm sorry but you can't make yourself autistic


Funnily enough, I am. I didn't see the relevance of bringing this up though -- first of all, not everyone who's autistic is a savant genius inventor, and there have been many neurotypicals (normal folk) who've led similiar lives of success under the conditions you stereotype as being a 'basement wierdo.'

Before you mis-cite the popularity of the current greats: normally, their social success is AFTER they've done something worthy of a sense of accomplishment. Then we have the default position: where your only accomplishment is getting pissed at the pub (and is thus a sense undeserved).



considering this personality you plan on growing is going to be the anti-social arsehole who steals kids footballs I fail to see the development

seriously people are social animals


When did I bring stealing kid's footballs into it, or is that honestly just your pre-conception?


I have a 25 but I happen to have another 75 hammering it in :$
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Such a sausage sword would probably be an inconvenience to any of your real partners I'd imagine (unless you forgot the decimal place)?
Theocratic Wisdom
03-03-2009, 23:40
the optimum number of friends: as many as it would take to move you to a new location. the bigger your current house, the more friends you should have.
Kyronea
04-03-2009, 01:40
.ie you never leave the house

go pub.
make friends.

or

get a hobby.
make friends.

I don't want to. Especially not "pub." I don't drink.


its says your have 3 groups of friends one if close and is usually 5 then it goes out to like 15 and so on

you can't "have a few close friends" because everyone has a few close friends
My friends are on GM. :)
Zombie PotatoHeads
04-03-2009, 02:45
the twat who claims to have over 700 friends is, well, just that: A twat. And a sad one at that.
It's not that difficult to accumulate that many 'friends' on Facebook. That bloody program almost forces you to sign people up.
Just because it shows the brother of a cousin's friend in the 'People you may know' column doesn't mean you actually do know them, have anything in common with them, will ever meet them, or necessitates you adding them to your 'friends' list. They're not your friends, just some stranger who is within the 6 degrees of separation.

I have a small circle of close friends, ones who I feel I can rely on and confide in. The rest I equate as good acquaintances. People I can meet up for a drink, chat to at parties, invite to a party I might hold, those sort of people. But I wouldn't feel comfortable burdening them with any problems I was having. Friendly, but not friends if you get my drift.
Boonytopia
04-03-2009, 10:08
8.791
PartyPeoples
04-03-2009, 12:57
Being as though random numbers are in:
3.14
:rolleyes:
Pope Lando II
04-03-2009, 13:13
Never had more than two, and none in the last 10 years or so. Not that it isn't nice to have a friend now and then, but it certainly isn't necessary. The cliche that people are "social animals" has nothing to do with gregariousness. What it means is that we depend on others to teach us to survive and to understand the world when we're young, and to help make life easier as we age and grow weak, not that we need to become friends with any number of people, or with anyone at all.
SaintB
04-03-2009, 14:47
Its lies, I have tons of friends and I make very little.
Free Soviets
04-03-2009, 17:12
Its lies, I have tons of friends and I make very little.

ah, but you see, you would be making even less without them
East Tofu
04-03-2009, 17:16
you guys are really silly...
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 18:27
you guys are really silly...

This^.
Dumb Ideologies
04-03-2009, 18:33
you guys are really silly...

I resent that statement! No, hang on, I mean "resemble".
Big Jim P
04-03-2009, 18:53
Friends? I don't need no steenking friends.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 18:55
Friends? I don't need no steenking friends.

You know as well as I do that you love us too much.:fluffle:
Big Jim P
04-03-2009, 18:58
You know as well as I do that you love us too much.:fluffle:

True, but none of you Steenk.:D
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 19:01
True, but none of you Steenk.:D

Psssst, that's because we're on teh interwebz.;)
Big Jim P
04-03-2009, 19:04
Psssst, that's because we're on teh interwebz.;)

What, that smell-o-vision card I bought is a fake?:eek:
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 19:05
What, that smell-o-vision card I bought is a fake?:eek:

Yup. 'fraid you got ripped off, buddy. *nod*
Big Jim P
04-03-2009, 19:12
Yup. 'fraid you got ripped off, buddy. *nod*

Damn! Now I gotta go and find out just exactly what I've been smelling all along.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 19:16
Damn! Now I gotta go and find out just exactly what I've been smelling all along.

Go on.
Big Jim P
04-03-2009, 19:22
Go on.

Well, it doesn't stink, so that's a good sign.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
04-03-2009, 19:24
Well, it doesn't stink, so that's a good sign.

Someone removed the rotten NSGer under your seat. *nod*
Chandelier
04-03-2009, 19:29
and how is this not being a basement weirdo?

I am an introvert. I can hang out with friends, and I'll enjoy it, but it'll tire me out. It's enjoyable but it always feels like a great amount of effort to be with other people. Of course if I have to be around people who aren't my friends it's the same amount of effort but not enjoyable at all.

I do have 225 Facebook friends though (I believe you're one of them :p)...11 are what I would consider close and real life friends, maybe 20 are internet friends, 17 are friends I've made since coming to college so that probably tells you about the rate I make new friends at (although some of my new friends don't use facebook so it's not a completely accurate measure)...

The rest of my friends are mostly either from my high school or went to middle school or elementary school with me. I don't think I realized how many other people did consider me their friends until it got close to graduation and suddenly I was invited to a bunch of graduation parties. They weren't like big parties with lots of people either, they were small parties with relatives and close friends. So I was a little puzzled that I was invited...