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Which do you think is better?

Personally I think it's Goldeneye.

First of all, it's what practically gave us console shooters. It also has a kickass multiplayer (not sayin halo's is bad, just prefer goldeneye's). Plus, the story mode is VASTLY superior. This was before there was online multiplayer, so the storyline was actually important and it was the main part of the game.

oh, and goldeneye has staying power. People still play it more then a decade later. Seriously, how many people still play the original halo? Eventually, 3 will be surpassed by another successor, and that will be surpassed again.

Goldeneye was a major step forward in video gaming, of course, but, going back and playing it, you really do see that the genre has come a long way. I mean, even at the most basic level, the dual control stick configuration is really a lot better than Goldeneye's setup.
(Interestingly, if you go back and play the N64 Duke Nukem games, they control fairly similarly to modern shooters-- using the C buttons for movement and the control stick for aiming/looking. I knew quite a few people who complained about such a control scheme when Goldeneye was current.)

That's not to say that Goldeneye isn't an excellent game-- it is-- but the genre has built upon it since the time it came out, especially in the arenas of control schemes and also probably in level design.

Yeah, I find Goldeneye more appealing too. What's not to like about a game that was the first console-fps (instead of a pc fps ported to a console). It also invented the mission-based fps and dual-wielding. Plus, it's one of the few movie-games that does NOT suck. This is mostly because Rare took their time with it and released it a few years after the movie rather than rushing it to take full advantage of a new movie's hype.

Halo? A decent game. Saved the Xbox. Was a good multiplayer game (though the single-player left a LOT to be desired). Controlled good. Story was one big "HOLY CRAP!!!!! Evil English-speaking aliens are attacking people for some reason! Are you a bad enough possibly balding fully-armored space marine to save the people? apparently not " cliche. Decent game. Not the most important launch game in history, as claimed by some reviewer whose quote was placed on the game box. That title would go to Super Mario Bros. Still pretty decent.

Goldeneye.

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Goldeneye.

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Proxies and crossbows on Temple.

Epic multiplayer.

It was fun...

Back in the nineties...

I still play my copy of Goldeneye from time to time.

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Proxies and crossbows on Temple.

Epic multiplayer.

Proxies in the Complex. Epic camping.

Still, I don't think you can compare them. Yes, Golden Eye was amazing for its time. So was Halo. And the only reason Halo didn't have the staying power is because Halo's 2 and 3 were beautiful. And online play. Online play killed Halo 1, since everyone could play Halo with anyone else with an Xbox and an internet connection. If Golden Eye 2.0 came out with online play, Golden Eye 1.0 would die. There would still be those that play it, especially for plot (just like there are those who play Halo, multiplayer and for plot), but ultimately, few would play the original.

Really, it's like comparing Asteroids to Halo. I still play Asteroids online occasionally, because it's a fantastic simple little game. But is it really comparable to Halo?

Proxies in the Complex. Epic camping.

Still, I don't think you can compare them. Yes, Golden Eye was amazing for its time. So was Halo. And the only reason Halo didn't have the staying power is because Halo's 2 and 3 were beautiful. And online play. Online play killed Halo 1, since everyone could play Halo with anyone else with an Xbox and an internet connection. If Golden Eye 2.0 came out with online play, Golden Eye 1.0 would die. There would still be those that play it, especially for plot (just like there are those who play Halo, multiplayer and for plot), but ultimately, few would play the original.

Really, it's like comparing Asteroids to Halo. I still play Asteroids online occasionally, because it's a fantastic simple little game. But is it really comparable to Halo?

Maybe more like comparing Asteroids to Star Fox. But otherwise, yeah. This. ^

Maybe more like comparing Asteroids to Star Fox. But otherwise, yeah. This. ^

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=223

Proxies in the Complex. Epic camping.

Still, I don't think you can compare them. Yes, Golden Eye was amazing for its time. So was Halo. And the only reason Halo didn't have the staying power is because Halo's 2 and 3 were beautiful. And online play. Online play killed Halo 1, since everyone could play Halo with anyone else with an Xbox and an internet connection. If Golden Eye 2.0 came out with online play, Golden Eye 1.0 would die. There would still be those that play it, especially for plot (just like there are those who play Halo, multiplayer and for plot), but ultimately, few would play the original.

Really, it's like comparing Asteroids to Halo. I still play Asteroids online occasionally, because it's a fantastic simple little game. But is it really comparable to Halo?

Actually, they are comparable in that they are both first-person shooters designed specifically for consoles, were made legendary because of their multiplayer, and introduced something new to the genre. Goldeneye introduced the mission-based gameplay you find in games like Call of Duty and dual-wielding while Halo introduced dual-analog, a genre staple.

edit: Goldeneye also invented hitzones on enemies. Translation: shooting enemies in the groin region sent would make them drop to the floor, hands holding their family jewels in agony while headshots saved ammo by killing them in one hit.

Metroid Prime subseries. 'Nuff said.

...Even though the original Goldeneye is the one non-MP FPS I own...

Halo: CE, just because you can fuck with it so much.

I still play Halo on my PC and Xbox (only recently got the Xbox, and games were included), and GoldenEye on my N64. I'd have to rate them about equal in multiplayer, and perhaps give Halo a slight edge for multiplayer storyline mode.

N64 Perfect Dark pwns all, though :p

Proxies in the Complex. Epic camping.

Still, I don't think you can compare them. Yes, Golden Eye was amazing for its time. So was Halo. And the only reason Halo didn't have the staying power is because Halo's 2 and 3 were beautiful. And online play. Online play killed Halo 1, since everyone could play Halo with anyone else with an Xbox and an internet connection. If Golden Eye 2.0 came out with online play, Golden Eye 1.0 would die. There would still be those that play it, especially for plot (just like there are those who play Halo, multiplayer and for plot), but ultimately, few would play the original.

Really, it's like comparing Asteroids to Halo. I still play Asteroids online occasionally, because it's a fantastic simple little game. But is it really comparable to Halo?

Agreed. You are comparing different games.
However, both are great. I recently played Golden Eye for the first time in years in my dorms at college. Ah, nostalgia.

N64 Perfect Dark pwns all, though

now that was a great game ,too bad they had to change it all together when they made one for the 360

I played Perfect Dark for hours with my brother. I remember it as Golden Eye except with "futuristic, GOOD graphics". Oh, how far we've come.

Goldeneye on paintball was fun to play

N64 Perfect Dark pwns all, though :p

Good ol' Perfect Dark. One of the best multiplayer games ever made. Screw the newer, online shooters. I'd rather have customizeable bots than have some ten year-old yell "n****r" and "hax! Why do you have to cheat, you mother-f*****g noob. I f****d your mother last night! It was well worth waiting in line, f****r. I'm reporting you! Racist! Cheater! Boom, headshot!....." into the mic.

Plus, the storymode co-op was awesome! Not only could you and a friend tackle missions together, but you could also tackle the missions while the other player plays as the enemies! Does Halo or Call of Duty let you do that? No. And Halo thinks its so creative with gun-mounted jeeps, energy swords, and glowing sticky grenades. Well, Perfect Dark's laptop gun can be dropped to act as an ai-controlled turret and the farsight is an x-ray vision enabling sniper rifle that can shoot through walls! Why have so few companies been that creative lately? Just because it's a genre EVERYONE, even your grandmother's dog, makes games for doesn't mean mean you have to stick with cliches and boring weapons. Rocket launchers. Grenades. Boring! How about a whip that electrocutes targets or a sword that shoots energy blasts Zelda-style?

Halo has to be one of the most overrated pieces of junk ever developed. I mean, the gameplay consists almost entirely of "kill this, go there, kill some more". Even Doom and Wolfenstein had some keys to collect.

we're talking a decent and well-executed game vs a genre-defining and boundary-pushing epic

pretty obvious, and not really a fair comparison. something like Goldeneye vs Doom would be more apt, perhaps (though that goes over the pc-console split, of course)

that said, i do miss the days before online multiplayer, because back then developers actually had to focus on the single player experience and story. i'm looking at you, Halo 3


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http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1598/goldeneye1oz7.jpg
oh man, how bad does that look now :p

I prefer Halo, although neither are really great now.

oh man, how bad does that look now :p

I dunno, it has it's charm.

Good ol' Perfect Dark. One of the best multiplayer games ever made. Screw the newer, online shooters. I'd rather have customizeable bots than have some ten year-old yell "n****r" and "hax! Why do you have to cheat, you mother-f*****g noob. I f****d your mother last night! It was well worth waiting in line, f****r. I'm reporting you! Racist! Cheater! Boom, headshot!....." into the mic.

Plus, the storymode co-op was awesome! Not only could you and a friend tackle missions together, but you could also tackle the missions while the other player plays as the enemies! Does Halo or Call of Duty let you do that? No. And Halo thinks its so creative with gun-mounted jeeps, energy swords, and glowing sticky grenades. Well, Perfect Dark's laptop gun can be dropped to act as an ai-controlled turret and the farsight is an x-ray vision enabling sniper rifle that can shoot through walls! Why have so few companies been that creative lately? Just because it's a genre EVERYONE, even your grandmother's dog, makes games for doesn't mean mean you have to stick with cliches and boring weapons. Rocket launchers. Grenades. Boring! How about a whip that electrocutes targets or a sword that shoots energy blasts Zelda-style?

Ah...you've just reminded me of all the classic multiplayer games I used to have on Perfect Dark. Me and a friend against a full team of Dark level Fistsims in the G5 building level with no radar. Plus the game does contain Obama :p

You can't really compare Halo to Goldeneye they are in different leagues; but I will try.

Goldeneye was great for its time, it like some people said helped the console FPS evolve into the powerhouse genre it is today; it had a well written narrative and the multiplayer was also fun (paintball + big head mode ftw).

Halo is also a great game, not because it was original, not because it was innovative; but because it is one of the most solid FPS Games, or Games from ANY Genre ever created; it comes together in such a way as to make it a truly epic experience because it is so seamless. The plot and narrative may not be as good as Goldeneye, the game may not have brought anything real to the table as far as innovation, but what it did do was combine all the combined knowledge learned from past FPS games to create what many people consider to be as close to perfect as a game gets. They didn't just do it once, or twice, but three times. They also in that process create done of the most beloved action hero's in recent history.

Actually, they are comparable in that they are both first-person shooters designed specifically for consoles, were made legendary because of their multiplayer, and introduced something new to the genre. Goldeneye introduced the mission-based gameplay you find in games like Call of Duty and dual-wielding while Halo introduced dual-analog, a genre staple.

edit: Goldeneye also invented hitzones on enemies. Translation: shooting enemies in the groin region sent would make them drop to the floor, hands holding their family jewels in agony while headshots saved ammo by killing them in one hit.

Yes, and apples and oranges are both fruit, make excellent juice, and are used as candy flavors. I'm sure the first someone bit into an apple it was revolutionary, as was the first time someone squeezed an orange - which led to Tropicana Premium with lots of pulp which may be the greatest liquid ever created. Despite this, the phrase "comparing apples to oranges" still exists.

Actually, they are comparable in that they are both first-person shooters designed specifically for consoles, were made legendary because of their multiplayer, and introduced something new to the genre. Goldeneye introduced the mission-based gameplay you find in games like Call of Duty and dual-wielding while Halo introduced dual-analog, a genre staple.

edit: Goldeneye also invented hitzones on enemies. Translation: shooting enemies in the groin region sent would make them drop to the floor, hands holding their family jewels in agony while headshots saved ammo by killing them in one hit.

Actually, small correction: Halo did not introduce dual analog controls. It popularized them.

Goldeneye. But we should have it compete against a shooter that isnt garbage.

N64 Perfect Dark pwns all, though :pAbsolutely. How can you not like a game that gives you a gun that can shoot through the entire level, walls and all, to kill the other player?

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Goldeneye. But we should have it compete against a shooter that isnt garbage.

Ugh. The trendy "Halo is the worst game ever" crowd is almost as annoying as the "OMG Halo is teh pwnest gaem evar!!!!111"

It's a fun game on its own merits. There's better shooters out there (I rather enjoy the Gears of War games, for example. Story is a bit weak at times, but, well, they're fun games.), but also far worse games.

Ugh. The trendy "Halo is the worst game ever" crowd

Trendy? I never liked Halo. If it wasnt the first half way decent game to come out on the original Xbox, it would have been a pimple on the ass of the FPS genre.

Its not the worst game ever, but I never understood why its considered anything beyond medicore.

It's a fun game on its own merits.
It's a great multiplayer, and the use of grenades is inspired, but the single player lacks terrible, with no storyline to speak of whatsoever.

Goldeneye and Doom are still the best. I have yet to play a shooter I enjoyed as much as Goldeneye and the Doom series.

FEAR came close. Real close. But thats it.

Its a long while ago, but I remember Halo being quite good once I'd changed the control settings. Can't remember what was wrong with them, but they made me stumble around the levels like a drunk, continually running into walls. That said, in terms of innovation, its not even in the same league as Goldeneye.

To be honest, though, I was always a Duke Nukem fan. Too bad that series is over. (I mean, let's be honest. DNF is never going to be released.)

This thread makes me want to go play Doom.

Trendy? I never liked Halo. If it wasnt the first half way decent game to come out on the original Xbox, it would have been a pimple on the ass of the FPS genre.

Its not the worst game ever, but I never understood why its considered anything beyond medicore.

It's got solid gameplay and an original plot that's good. Halo has a good story. Very good. And the online multiplayer is solid, too. Basically, there's nothing bad about Halo. Well, there are problems with multiplayer, what with the learning curve and the people quitting in-game. But the point is, no other game is really better.

Mind, I wouldn't say it's the best game ever. I might call it an amazingly good game just for the plot. But not the best. But you can't say it's bad.

As for why some people call it the best game ever: people call any number of terrible things the best thing ever because those people are stupid. "Borat" was retarded, Owen Wilson can't act, Avril Lavigne sucks, Twilight is mediocre at best, and I still can't understand why my friend spent tons of money upgrading his Rock Band drum set instead of actually learning how to play the drums. And people are too busy loving terrible things to appreciate the things that are actually the best ever. Like Tropicana Premium orange juice with lots of pulp.

It's got solid gameplay and an original plot that's good. Halo has a good story. Very good. And the online multiplayer is solid, too. Basically, there's nothing bad about Halo. Well, there are problems with multiplayer, what with the learning curve and the people quitting in-game. But the point is, no other game is really better.

Mind, I wouldn't say it's the best game ever. I might call it an amazingly good game just for the plot. But not the best. But you can't say it's bad.

As for why some people call it the best game ever: people call any number of terrible things the best thing ever because those people are stupid. "Borat" was retarded, Owen Wilson can't act, Avril Lavigne sucks, Twilight is mediocre at best, and I still can't understand why my friend spent tons of money upgrading his Rock Band drum set instead of actually learning how to play the drums. And people are too busy loving terrible things to appreciate the things that are actually the best ever. Like Tropicana Premium orange juice with lots of pulp.

People like Rock Band because it tells them when they're messing up without being a dick about it. Plus the graphics are nice and shiny. Especially those that think that PS3's massive(for a console) RAM is the most innovative thing since Nintendo put the "move the freak'n guy" buttons on the left, "pause the freak'n game" button in the middle, and "shoot that bastard already, dumbass" buttons on the right.

It's got solid gameplay and an original plot that's good. Halo has a good story. Very good.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

A Space Marine (sorry GW), with the help of the Last Black Man On Earth -- Avery 'I'm Black Motherfucker!' Johnson -- has to kill off generic space baddies no.1 and generic space baddies no.2, all the while preventing generic space weapon from destroying the galaxy/generic Ringworld.

Seriously?

To be honest, though, I was always a Duke Nukem fan. Too bad that series is over. (I mean, let's be honest. DNF is never going to be released.)

Don't say that! Don't give up hope yet! *Glances at large amount of articles containing 'Duke Nukem Forever' news since '98* It'll come, Duke would never fail us.... Never... *Huddles in corner, rocking back and forth*

Goldeneye beats all other games hands down.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

A Space Marine (sorry GW), with the help of the Last Black Man On Earth -- Avery 'I'm Black Motherfucker!' Johnson -- has to kill off generic space baddies no.1 and generic space baddies no.2, all the while preventing generic space weapon from destroying the galaxy/generic Ringworld.

Seriously?

But they're not generic baddies. The Covenant actually has complex politics. Not to mention all the plot surrounding the elites and their position within the Covenant.
I'll grant you that, as far as sci-fi plots go, it's extremely similar to a great deal of other stories. But all sci-fi is constrained to certain themes. Within those limitations, Halo created a good story with complex characters and a very dynamic plot.

People like Rock Band because it tells them when they're messing up without being a dick about it. Plus the graphics are nice and shiny. Especially those that think that PS3's massive(for a console) RAM is the most innovative thing since Nintendo put the "move the freak'n guy" buttons on the left, "pause the freak'n game" button in the middle, and "shoot that bastard already, dumbass" buttons on the right.

Except Rock Band is obnoxious when you screw up. A fake audience boos at you. Think about that. People who don't even exist think you suck. Not only do you suck, but you suck at pretending to play the guitar.

but the single player lacks terrible, with no storyline to speak of whatsoever.

I don't understand why people say this. Sure, it's a different, more casual experience than many PC shooters, but it's single player is very solid - well designed maps, intelligent AI, variety of intensity and setting etc... The story is also fine for a shooter, it's no worse than 99% of the stories attributed to FPS's in general.