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Due to the fact I am playing Deus Ex (a brilliant game) I am just thinking, should there be a UNATCO in real life? For those who haven't played Deus Ex, first off PLAY IT! Secondly, UNATCO, standing for United Nations Anti Terrorist Coalition is a world organisation dedicated to fighting terrorism and related things to that, peacekeeping, fighting drug traffickers etc. So as it says in game it's essentially the world's first policeman. If properly regulated and had good intentions, do you think a UNATCO would be a way towards freedom or a step towards a loss of freedom?

It wouldn't work at all.

A Star Trek government/1984 is in order first. Otherwise, it'll just be another voluntary coalition force.

It wouldn't work at all look at United Nations that doesn't do anything. People wouldn't get along well enough for it to work

On the other hand, who would you rather have running FEMA?

Walton Simons, or Michael Brown?

:D

we already have UN peacekeepers

we already have UN peacekeepers

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Good joke.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Good Joke.

*sends you to the Hague*

Seriously though, UNATCO basically plays on the fears of (at least Americans) people that the United Nations will become an effective military power to the point where it becomes a de facto global government.

People love to gloat about how the UN is impotent and useless, but they'll never want to contemplate the idea of giving it real sharp teeth.

*awaits pointless anti-UN ran.... oh, too late*

There are several Security Council resolutions (for example 1371, which also establishes a Committee of the Security Council to monitor the implementation of the resolutions
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/sc7158.doc.htm, 1269, and 1368) ranging from combatting financing of terrorism, greater coordination of freezing of assets of terrorist individuals and groups, as well as denying States and groups the right to give 'safe haven' to terrorist groups. Secondly, here is the link to the coordinated activities of the UN Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy: http://www.un.org/terrorism/strategy-counter-terrorism.shtml signed up by 192 member states.

Now you should realise that terrorism, even international terrorism, is inherently an individual State's internal problem. You can't just go wading into another sovereign state with a multinational hit squad - it's fundamentally illegal.

It can't, won't and should never happen.

No, because MJ12 would invade it and then our only hope would be a plucky agent whose best option is to side with the other illuminati anyway.

Also no one trusts each other.

Due to the fact I am playing Deus Ex (a brilliant game) I am just thinking, should there be a UNATCO in real life?
Have you completed it at least once?
(Me, 4 times)

If you have, you know the answer.

More importantly, should there be a Majestic 12?

Is there already?!

How would it be regulated?

Have you got to the part in the game where you find out how evil UNACTO is?

Have you got to the part in the game where you find out how evil UNACTO is?

The United Nations Association of Canada-Toronto?

Due to the fact I am playing Deus Ex (a brilliant game) I am just thinking, should there be a UNATCO in real life? For those who haven't played Deus Ex, first off PLAY IT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

Secondly, UNATCO, standing for United Nations Anti Terrorist Coalition is a world organisation dedicated to fighting terrorism and related things to that, peacekeeping, fighting drug traffickers etc. So as it says in game it's essentially the world's first policeman. If properly regulated and had good intentions, do you think a UNATCO would be a way towards freedom or a step towards a loss of freedom?

Totally useless, as, if the would really want to be any effective, they should arrest themselves and about a good three-quarters of the ministers of the UN countries' governments, which I'm not inclined to suppose they would be extremely keen to do.


By the way: there's already Interpol, you know.

No, as the UN should remain toothless.

Have you completed it at least once?
(Me, 4 times)


Valentwhatever... is that you? ;)

Valentwhatever... is that you? ;)
I dunno, I did it 3 times.

Valentwhatever... is that you? ;)
The game's almost a decade old. It predates (and somewhat foreshadows) the WTC event itself.

For a pretty short game with multiple paths to every goal and a few nice mods, four times in a decade isn't all that much. First when it came out, then after 9/11, then with Shifter and other mods.

Hai gais, I just read 1984, and WOW. I think it's great that there are only like 3 functional governments that control all its people. That would solve lots of things like nationalism, political disunity and unemployment. Should we also adopt totalitarian super-states?


First when it came out, then after 9/11, then with Shifter and other mods.

Wow mods for a game that is a decade old. I first thought of getting Deus Ex but I can't get past the graphics for an FPS.

Wow mods for a game that is a decade old. I first thought of getting Deus Ex but I can't get past the graphics for an FPS.
Enjoy missing out on one of PC gaming's finest products, you shallow reprobate!

due to the fact i am playing deus ex (a brilliant game) i am just thinking, should there be a unatco in real life? For those who haven't played deus ex, first off play it! Secondly, unatco, standing for united nations anti terrorist coalition is a world organisation dedicated to fighting terrorism and related things to that, peacekeeping, fighting drug traffickers etc. So as it says in game it's essentially the world's first policeman. If properly regulated and had good intentions, do you think a unatco would be a way towards freedom or a step towards a loss of freedom?

usa = unatco

Rainbow Six!

I think it should be tried out, the problem I see with blanketing something like this would be prioritising events and stuff.

The game's almost a decade old. It predates (and somewhat foreshadows) the WTC event itself.
This comment makes me feel antediluvian. :(

For a pretty short game with multiple paths to every goal and a few nice mods, four times in a decade isn't all that much. First when it came out, then after 9/11, then with Shifter and other mods.
I see. (I was sort of joking about the last thread of mr.V, you know...)

Is it somewhat similar to the UFO (X-Com) series?

Rainbow Six!
Great game. (A bit of a mess to understand at the beginning, though).

Hrmm... a single body with sweeping anti-terror powers and total authority over the entire planet, with a military wing? I think not...

Is it somewhat similar to the UFO (X-Com) series?
No, not at all. It's a RPG, or maybe RPG/Action/Stealth (there's no leveling or stats, just a dozen skills and a few augmentations). One character, first person view.


What I particularly liked about it at first is the cold shower experience you get there after action games. The first time, on the first mission on Liberty Island, I barged in there, bang, one hostile down, aiming at the second... oops, a voice "Hey, I just killed a cop!". What happened is that the guy came from behind, spotted me, raised the gun and shot. Unusually for games, a bullet in the head actually kills you in Deus Ex, even if it's "just" a pistol one. And most NPCs actually shoot better than you. And in another part, freeing two hostages from two guys turns out to be not as easy as it seems, because when they see or hear you, they actually shoot the hostages, not fire randomly at you.
The game's not particularly hard, but very realistic where it counts.

Great storyline, also. It's not at all about anti-terrorist operations, rather about uncovering a big worldwide conspiracy. Imagine if the most persistent conspiracy theories proved right. The story is appropriately turbulent, you get to switch sides more than once, walk the streets, bars and the underground of New York, Hong Kong and Paris, and ultimately get to decide the fate of the world. The choices along the game also affect the events, so the story is never entirely the same.

One of the best games, really, definitely the best in its subgenre. So who cares that the graphics are a bit dated, they're still quite pretty, and there's no newer game with as good a gameplay process. People are still making quite a few mods for it, from high-res visuals to massive conversions with whole new storylines like Zodiac. And there's even a lulz-filled mod about the story of an office worker struggling to get booze for a party.

No but there should be a GDI.

Seriously though, UNATCO basically plays on the fears of (at least Americans) people that the United Nations will become an effective military power to the point where it becomes a de facto global government.

People love to gloat about how the UN is impotent and useless, but they'll never want to contemplate the idea of giving it real sharp teeth.
I agree with that. I don't like the UN, but I actually like the fact they're useless and ineffective. Less of a danger that way.

No, not at all. It's a RPG (...)

Looks worth a try. Thanks, buddy.

Due to the fact I am playing Deus Ex (a brilliant game) I am just thinking, should there be a UNATCO in real life? For those who haven't played Deus Ex, first off PLAY IT! Secondly, UNATCO, standing for United Nations Anti Terrorist Coalition is a world organisation dedicated to fighting terrorism and related things to that, peacekeeping, fighting drug traffickers etc. So as it says in game it's essentially the world's first policeman. If properly regulated and had good intentions, do you think a UNATCO would be a way towards freedom or a step towards a loss of freedom?
Given that UNATCO was nothing more than a front for Majestic XII, I'd rather not have them, thank you.

Besides, you'd never get the international community to agree to it.

Given that UNATCO was nothing more than a front for Majestic XII, I'd rather not have them, thank you.

Besides, you'd never get the international community to agree to it.

anyone who disagrees is a terrorist supporting country.
*turns on CNN* France declared terror state 5 minutes later bombs begin to drop.
international community problem solved.

Wow mods for a game that is a decade old. I first thought of getting Deus Ex but I can't get past the graphics for an FPS.

You shame my gaming heart. :(

Graphics do not make a game. Gameplay makes a game. Take the Exile/Avernum series for example. Compared to most games these days--and even most games when they came out--these games are graphically AWFUL.

But they're fantastic RPGs, because they have extremely good gameplay content.

Deus Ex, by the way, is how you make a good FPS. Bioshock kinda sorta followed in its footsteps, actually.

You shame my gaming heart. :(

Graphics do not make a game. Gameplay makes a game.
Hear hear!

Just take a look at the brilliant, and recently released, Mount & Blade. Fantastic, addictive gameplay easily trumps over HD lighting, bloom, or whatever thing big games companies are wasting their money on these days.

Or, take a look at Gears of War 2 for a perfect example of why shiny graphics without any thought put into a storyline can ruin a game.

No, not at all. It's a RPG, or maybe RPG/Action/Stealth (there's no leveling or stats, just a dozen skills and a few augmentations). One character, first person view.


What I particularly liked about it at first is the cold shower experience you get there after action games. The first time, on the first mission on Liberty Island, I barged in there, bang, one hostile down, aiming at the second... oops, a voice "Hey, I just killed a cop!". What happened is that the guy came from behind, spotted me, raised the gun and shot. Unusually for games, a bullet in the head actually kills you in Deus Ex, even if it's "just" a pistol one. And most NPCs actually shoot better than you. And in another part, freeing two hostages from two guys turns out to be not as easy as it seems, because when they see or hear you, they actually shoot the hostages, not fire randomly at you.
The game's not particularly hard, but very realistic where it counts.

Great storyline, also. It's not at all about anti-terrorist operations, rather about uncovering a big worldwide conspiracy. Imagine if the most persistent conspiracy theories proved right. The story is appropriately turbulent, you get to switch sides more than once, walk the streets, bars and the underground of New York, Hong Kong and Paris, and ultimately get to decide the fate of the world. The choices along the game also affect the events, so the story is never entirely the same.

One of the best games, really, definitely the best in its subgenre. So who cares that the graphics are a bit dated, they're still quite pretty, and there's no newer game with as good a gameplay process. People are still making quite a few mods for it, from high-res visuals to massive conversions with whole new storylines like Zodiac. And there's even a lulz-filled mod about the story of an office worker struggling to get booze for a party.

Something interesting: they actually had to tone down the AI in Deus Ex because the AI kept seeing the player character poke his head around corners and headshotting the player before the player could do anything.

Hear hear!

Just take a look at the brilliant, and recently released, Mount & Blade. Fantastic, addictive gameplay easily trumps over HD lighting, bloom, or whatever thing big games companies are wasting their money on these days.

Or, take a look at Gears of War 2 for a perfect example of why shiny graphics without any thought put into a storyline can ruin a game.

Though that's not to say shiny graphics are automatically bad. Good graphics can help the gaming experience when used appropriately.

What I object to is focusing on graphics over gameplay. For example, the Need for Speed series has some fantastic potential to be radically improved(Look at Most Wanted for what I mean) but just keeps focusing on being as shiny as possible to the detriment of its gameplay.

Spiderweb Software and Stardock are two companies that more gaming manufacturers need to emulate. Both companies strive to make quality games.

Have you completed it at least once?
(Me, 4 times)

If you have, you know the answer.

Me about 10 times. I personally don't believe there should ever be anything like UNATCO, I just wondered what anyone else thought. :-D

Why is telling people to play it spam? :-S

Bah! As things stand both the UN and NATO are becoming useless. *shrugs* Mix the 2? A waste of time.

Is it somewhat similar to the UFO (X-Com) series?
lol no.

They're both great, Deus Ex is completely different, though.

I remember Deus Ex producing insane amounts of rage - accidentally quick save whilst your shooting your brother for fun? You're fucked: RAAAAAAAGE

No but there should be a GDI.

i 100% agree with this statement


im trying deus ex on unrealistic mode (shifter mod)

that shit is craaaaaaaazy, all the enemies bullets are explosive T_T

I remember Deus Ex producing insane amounts of rage - accidentally quick save whilst your shooting your brother for fun? You're fucked: RAAAAAAAGE

That's hardly any different from any other game with a quicksave function. That's why you make back-up saves. :tongue:

You shame my gaming heart. :(

Graphics do not make a game. Gameplay makes a game. Take the Exile/Avernum series for example. Compared to most games these days--and even most games when they came out--these games are graphically AWFUL.

But they're fantastic RPGs, because they have extremely good gameplay content.

Deus Ex, by the way, is how you make a good FPS. Bioshock kinda sorta followed in its footsteps, actually.

I still play Gladius' (PS2 adaptations), Suikoden 1/2, FF VI - IX, and some older racing games. I just dislike bad FPS graphics because you can't get "in" the game, similar to how stealth is a major gameplay component of Far Cry.

I still play Gladius' (PS2 adaptations), Suikoden 1/2, FF VI - IX, and some older racing games. I just dislike bad FPS graphics because you can't get "in" the game, similar to how stealth is a major gameplay component of Far Cry.

Congratulations on completely missing my point.

That's hardly any different from any other game with a quicksave function. That's why you make back-up saves. :tongue:

Yeah but other games have autosave, IIRC, Deus Ex didn't have an auto save, or saved very rarely.

This idea would never work in our current times, and I'm afraid if it ever were to be created it would be by a new World Order type of coalition. Definitely a leap towards marked losses in freedom.

Yeah but other games have autosave, IIRC, Deus Ex didn't have an auto save, or saved very rarely.
It saved its world data very often, but you had to do all of the game saves yourself.