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The continental empire is going to have an election soon (who knew?) and every EU citizen will be able to vote in it *gasp*

who will you be voting for? will there be other votes going on in your country? did you know about this before clicking the thread? what will you be wearing when you vote?

1) I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet so mostly likely the one with the prettiest logo (likely European Green Party out of tradition because they are loons :()
2) I have local election on the day and somehow conservatives are currently in mostly power so Mr Brown will be very proud of me soon
3) No
4) I predict that I will be wearing a leather jacket and these funky cargo jeans but I may where a thinner jacket if its warm (what I'm going for is a white hoodie/shirt underneath, yes I know that means black and white)

UKIP and the BNP will enjoy this election I think.

1) Liberal Democrats (UK) - I hope to help them finish third in my region, above the UK Independence Party (which, depressingly, finished third in our region last time around).

2) We have local elections in Hertfordshire the same day. The Conservative Party overwhelmingly control the town, district, and County Council, but we have a small area in East Herts (where I live) that elects Lib Dems.

3) Yes

4) Slovenian national dress, while holding a glass of Nicolas Potel Rully Chardonnay in one hand, and a leg of Spanish Serrano ham in the other - all in tribute to my ebil European integrationist tendencies.

Fuck. Why must this be done the year I'll be away from the EU. :(

Not a European

Did I miss something here?

What's this about EU wide elections?

Not a European

Did I miss something here?

What's this about EU wide elections?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7819889.stm


Why must this be done the year I'll be away from the EU.

Don't you have proxy or postal votes in Spain?

UKIP and the BNP will enjoy this election I think.

they always do what with ironically being the people most likely to vote

1) Liberal Democrats (UK) - I hope to help them finish third in my region, above the UK Independence Party (which, depressingly, finished third in our region last time around).

go ahead throw your vote away!

2) We have local elections in Hertfordshire the same day. The Conservative Party overwhelmingly control the town, district, and County Council, but we have a small area in East Herts (where I live) that elects Lib Dems.

:eek2: your surrounded by the blue menace!

4) Slovenian national dress, while holding a glass of Nicolas Potel Rully Chardonnay in one hand, and a leg of Spanish Serrano ham in the other - all in tribute to my ebil European integrationist tendencies.

pfft if I was going that angle I would turn up clothed only in the EU flag and pray that their isn't a breeze

Fuck. Why must this be done the year I'll be away from the EU. :(

we planned it all out as a way to snub you :tongue:

I assume you can just vote at an embassy though?

go ahead throw your vote away!


Ah, but European elections work on a proportional party list system in the UK, so I'm guaranteed to elect at least one Lib Dem from my region.

Maybe two if UKIP implodes and all those lonely Labour voters in the East of England region turn to the Lib Dems in despair.

The continental empire is going to have an election soon (who knew?) and every EU citizen will be able to vote in it *gasp*
Y'know, it happens every 5 years.


who will you be voting for? will there be other votes going on in your country? did you know about this before clicking the thread? what will you be wearing when you vote?


I'll be voting for whatever will be farthest on the left wing (with the exception of trotzkists and stalinists). That is, Partito dei Comunisti Italiani (eventually allied with Partito della Rifondazione Comunista), or Per La Sinistra (a splinter of PRC).

There will be a lot of other elections in the same day, for local administrations. Here we have to elect the new administration of the Provincia di Milano. I don't know who I'm going to vote yet (anyway, NOT one of the two major candidates, that is incumbent president Penati of PD and the main right-wing contender of PdL).

It's the 3rd time I'm called to elect the EuroParliament (I already voted in 1998 and 2003), and the 3rd time I partecipate in my party's campaigning. So I guess I already knew.

I'll be wearing a red shirt, as usual, just to piss off the fascists. (Unless I'm drafted as member of the ballot office; I'll have to be super partes in the case and not to show any political affiliation).

Not a European

Did I miss something here?

What's this about EU wide elections?

Too long to explain here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_parliament
Also the European Commission (the executive branch) must receive the ok from the EP.

we planned it all out as a way to snub you :tongue:

Hate me now, but you and I shared something beautiful. Don't deny it!

I assume you can just vote at an embassy though?

I have absentee vote.

Don't you have proxy or postal votes in Spain?

Absentee vote program. I'm sure my boss will make sure I recieve the ballots and what not.

But it's rather exciting to be in the middle of the very thing. I'll miss the heated arguments at the Presidential Palace.:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7819889.stm

Much obliged.

Funnily enough I already knew about the European parliament, however, I wasn't aware they had so much power.

I still think having people from other countries having a say in how your country is run and the laws you have to pass is ridiculous.

EDIT: Thank you also Risotta

all those lonely Labour voters in the East of England region turn to the Lib Dems in despair.

still trying to turn water to wine are we? :D

Y'know, it happens every 5 years.

tell that to the general public

I'll be voting for whatever will be farthest on the left wing

surely the only current issue is integration as always

It's the 3rd time I'm called to elect the EuroParliament (I already voted in 1998 and 2003), and the 3rd time I partecipate in my party's campaigning. So I guess I already knew.

*moves the old mans things around so he thinks hes going crazy*

Too long to explain here.

this.

EU stuff is bloody complicated complicated compared to UK elections :mad:

Hate me now, but you and I shared something beautiful. Don't deny it!

you just want me for my chocolate covered body!

*is attacked by ants*

I have absentee vote.

...what will you be wearing?

still trying to turn water to wine are we? :D


'tis Lent. 'tis a season of miracles.

...what will you be wearing?

The negligée you gave me for my birthday.

still trying to turn water to wine are we? :D

Already done. We take San Pellegrino water, add some yellow colour, change the label and sell it to americans as champagne. :D :D


tell that to the general public

Dunno, Italians are quite aware of elections, generally. Not that we have more clues on WHAT the politicians we vote for are going to do, but we know we're having to vote. We love having many elections.


surely the only current issue is integration as always

Quite not. What about economical crisis, fishing and agriculture subsidies, unemployment on european level, euro-wide environmental issues, trade tarifs on extra-EU imports, ESA/JRC/CERN funding, and common foreign policies?

I'll be voting Liberal Democrat no doubt, we've already got one lib dem MEP in my region... so hopefully it won't be throwing my vote away as much as it usually is (though actually they do control the council here, our MP is party-line New Labour unfortunately).

1) New Labour, because the Lib Dems are a shit-tip.

2) Got one here soonish, will again be voting New Labour for the above reaons

3) Your mouth says no but your eyes say yes.

4) I'll be wearing the usual black shirt with dark blue jeans

I'll be voting Liberal Democrat no doubt, we've already got one lib dem MEP in my region... so hopefully it won't be throwing my vote away as much as it usually is (though actually they do control the council here, our MP is party-line New Labour unfortunately).
Yeah Hugh is a 'family friend'. What a berk.

Waller is alright, but I don't trust the Lib Dems as far as I can throw them.

Already done. We take San Pellegrino water, add some yellow colour, change the label and sell it to americans as champagne. :D :D

thats far too much alcohol for an American, are you trying to kill them?!

you know its a Europe thread when...

Dunno, Italians are quite aware of elections, generally. Not that we have more clues on WHAT the politicians we vote for are going to do, but we know we're having to vote. We love having many elections.

hmm I don't think the public here are even aware of the general election tbh

Quite not. What about economical crisis, fishing and agriculture subsidies, unemployment on european level, euro-wide environmental issues, trade tarifs on extra-EU imports, ESA/JRC/CERN funding, and common foreign policies?

"Europe must work together in the interest of protecting its member states future and promoting renewable growth projects whilst still preserving individual sovereignty"

there I just summed up every EU party for the next 50 years :tongue:

I'll be voting Liberal Democrat no doubt, we've already got one lib dem MEP in my region... so hopefully it won't be throwing my vote away as much as it usually is (though actually they do control the council here, our MP is party-line New Labour unfortunately).

just vote labour the last thing we need is UKIP to come first everywhere (oh how I hate the midlands)

4) I'll be wearing the usual black shirt with dark blue jeans

and they say that school uniforms crush creativity ;)

The continental empire is going to have an election soon (who knew?) and every EU citizen will be able to vote in it *gasp*

who will you be voting for? will there be other votes going on in your country? did you know about this before clicking the thread? what will you be wearing when you vote?

1) I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet so mostly likely the one with the prettiest logo (likely European Green Party out of tradition because they are loons :()
2) I have local election on the day and somehow conservatives are currently in mostly power so Mr Brown will be very proud of me soon
3) No
4) I predict that I will be wearing a leather jacket and these funky cargo jeans but I may where a thinner jacket if its warm (what I'm going for is a white hoodie/shirt underneath, yes I know that means black and white)

1. Most likely Lib Dems. I'm surrounded by Blue! And yellow is quite a nice colour.

2. I think I have local elections on that day. It may be why the coucillors are not responding to my emails. Swine.

3. Nope. I blame the media!

4. Maybe pyjamas. The usual polling station is the library 2 minutes from my house. Failing that probably jeans and a tshirt. Unless its really cold or something.

and they say that school uniforms crush creativity ;)
I used to wear all sorts of crap but then I realised that the only colours I look good in are black and white, black and black, or black and yellow. Yellow and white is untried on the grounds that white or yellow trousers are for hippies or emo kiddies.

1. Most likely Lib Dems. I'm surrounded by Blue! And yellow is quite a nice colour.

I wish for just one year everyone would coordinate on an election and make a nice picture

4. Maybe pyjamas. The usual polling station is the library 2 minutes from my house. Failing that probably jeans and a tshirt. Unless its really cold or something.

chances of you waiting till last minuet then fobbing it off because its late and you can't be arsed? :p

Yellow and white is untried on the grounds that white or yellow trousers are for hippies or emo kiddies.

dessert cargo trousers with a white hoody that has a funky picture on it *nods*

also try
teal + black trousers which looks quite good this time of year (or at least stands out *is that twat you always see first in the background*)

though Grey is the bestest colour ever

Fuck. Why must this be done the year I'll be away from the EU. :(

because the EU hates you and does not want you to have a voice.

I wish for just one year everyone would coordinate on an election and make a nice picture



chances of you waiting till last minuet then fobbing it off because its late and you can't be arsed? :p



dessert cargo trousers with a white hoody that has a funky picture on it *nods*

also try
teal + black trousers which looks quite good this time of year (or at least stands out *is that twat you always see first in the background*)

though Grey is the bestest colour ever

If I fob that off though then I won't go to Gregg's and get me a nice steak bake or something. I wonder what kind of picture we could make.

dessert cargo trousers with a white hoody that has a funky picture on it *nods*
For pretend squaddies.
also try
teal + black trousers which looks quite good this time of year (or at least stands out *is that twat you always see first in the background*)

though Grey is the bestest colour ever
Aye am a big grey fan, might try the teal.

Hmm, I'm a little hesitant to vote before Lisbon is sorted.

because the EU hates you and does not want you to have a voice.

I didn't know Nanatsu was a serb

If I fob that off though then I won't go to Gregg's and get me a nice steak bake or something.

I agree that Gregg's should receive funding from the EU so they can hand out free food on election day (a great way to publicize I say)

I wonder what kind of picture we could make.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/bragin/DE/londonlogo.gif

we would have to make an agreement with EIRE though

I didn't know Nanatsu was a serb





worse she is a Pole.

I didn't know Nanatsu was a serb

Insolence! Who's the Spanish Inquisition of NSG?! Who, I ask?! :mad:

worse she is a Pole.

And you sir, you are a Maldivian pimp.:fluffle:

Insolence! Who's the Spanish Inquisition of NSG?! Who, I ask?! :mad:

have you been killing more Bosnians ?

And you sir, you are a Maldivian pimp.:fluffle:

id be so lucky those islands are beautiful I would just smoke 鸦片 all day at the beach, selling girls to tourist.
Snatching up Spanish tourist with cat ears to sell to Manga maniacs... all and all a good life you have accused me of.

For pretend squaddies.

I was thinking more on the tan side if thats what your thinking the last thing you want is to have me pick you up on wearing kit horrendously :tongue:

Hmm, I'm a little hesitant to vote before Lisbon is sorted.

why?

just vote labour the last thing we need is UKIP to come first everywhere (oh how I hate the midlands)


UKIP came 4th here last time behind the Lib Dems, therefore by voting Lib Dem I am actually helping keep them in last place *nod*

I was thinking more on the tan side if thats what your thinking the last thing you want is to have me pick you up on wearing kit horrendously
Scuse me? :p

Insolence! Who's the Spanish Inquisition of NSG?! Who, I ask?! :mad:

I have no idea what your talking about have you been drinking anti-freeze again Natasa?

They came 4th here last time behind the Lib Dems, therefore by voting Lib Dem I am actually helping keep them in last place *nod*

we have 4 major parties now O_o

Scuse me? :p

I think I'm far too tired to be trying to convince you to buy clothes you will never wear :tongue:

*hits keyboard to make incoherent sentences*

i think i'm far too tired to be trying to convince you to buy clothes you will never wear :tongue:

*hits keyboard to make incoherent sentences*
i win again!

:)

we have 4 major parties now O_o


Only for EU elections due this new-found finangely continental proportional representation system.

i win again!

on the contrary I think you will be putting those trousers on

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/6126/wgpengpistol3nq.jpg

Only for EU elections due this new-found finangely continental proportional representation system.

political correctness gone mad!

on the contrary I think you will be putting those trousers on

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/6126/wgpengpistol3nq.jpg
Nah.
political correctness gone mad!
Stupid PR -_-

who will you be voting for? will there be other votes going on in your country? did you know about this before clicking the thread? what will you be wearing when you vote?


1. don't know as i don't know who i can vote for. how long have i got to look this shit up and where do i vote? :confused:

2. dunno

3. nope. the press are far more interested in scaring us to death with economic doom and gloom

4. jeans and tshirt, and one of my many jumpers... as always

I have no idea what your talking about have you been drinking anti-freeze again Natasa?

It's the absinthe. And I rather like you calling me Natasa. :tongue:

What? One thread, self enforced, polite discussion? Quit being pussies, where's the seven or eight redundant threads that have to be jammed together, the slagging off of people who oppose your candidates even within the same party? Don't you Europeans know how to have an election? Freakin' tea sippers, where's the blood?

Waller is alright, but I don't trust the Lib Dems as far as I can throw them.

I like that your reason for voting Labour is that you don't trust the Lib Dems.

I hope you'll forgive me for noting that after 12 years of a Labour government that took us into Iraq, trust wouldn't necessarily be near the top of a Labour voter priority list.

The only time I've come close to voting Labour in the last 20 years was in 2005, when I seriously considered voting for John Grogan in Selby (where I was then registered, even though I was living in Melbourne at the time - I did my PhD in York), just because he was one of the few Labour MPs to vote against the Iraq War. I didn't - and he won without me, fortunately.

What? One thread, self enforced, polite discussion? Quit being pussies, where's the seven or eight redundant threads that have to be jammed together, the slagging off of people who oppose your candidates even within the same party? Don't you Europeans know how to have an election? Freakin' tea sippers, where's the blood?

This is what happens when each MEP has like 5 different parties. No-one knows where they stand.

I'll be out campaigning and voting for the Lib Dems. Odds are pretty likely we'll gain an MEP in Wales.

UKIP prospects are being heavily overstated, they've fallen apart a lot quite recently and become a bit of a shambles. Their campaign is also likely to be non-existant. They're more likely to go down than up. The question is really where those UKIP voters will go.

I still think having people from other countries having a say in how your country is run and the laws you have to pass is ridiculous.

But you woulnd't find ridiculous, let's say, voters of Florida having a say about the federal laws that get implemented in Alaska, too. Or Welsh voters voting on UK laws that get implemented in Scotland, too.

It's about the same: we're trying to build an union. This includes the concept of sovereignity being transferred, at least partly, from single countries to the european level.

I'll be out campaigning and voting for the Lib Dems. Odds are pretty likely we'll gain an MEP in Wales.

UKIP prospects are being heavily overstated, they've fallen apart a lot quite recently and become a bit of a shambles. Their campaign is also likely to be non-existant. They're more likely to go down than up. The question is really where those UKIP voters will go.

I agree with your assessment of UKIP's chances. They haven't been the same since they imploded over Kilroy-Silk's departure.

What concerns me - and others - is that enough of those UKIP voters in the North will move over to the BNP to get Nick Griffin elected to the European parliament. Which would be far, far more embarrassing than the election of UKIP members.

EU election? Nobody told me. I don't think I'll bother voting.

What concerns me - and others - is that enough of those UKIP voters in the North will move over to the BNP to get Nick Griffin elected to the European parliament. Which would be far, far more embarrassing than the election of UKIP members.

It'd be good for a laugh though.

But you woulnd't find ridiculous, let's say, voters of Florida having a say about the federal laws that get implemented in Alaska, too. Or Welsh voters voting on UK laws that get implemented in Scotland, too.

It's about the same: we're trying to build an union. This includes the concept of sovereignity being transferred, at least partly, from single countries to the european level.

Well I wouldn't find it ridiculous when Alaska actually gets to vote on these federal laws, but under the current system (yes I may be wrong) Germany, France and Spain having more seats than the UK could easily override what they want and thus start telling the UK what federal laws they are going to have in the country with little say of the populace. A reason why I cheer on the Irish government, they had the balls to stand by their people's decision and not have another referendum wanting people to vote yes despite Sarkozy's protests.

As for Scotland and their voting rights don't get me started.

Well I wouldn't find it ridiculous when Alaska actually gets to vote on these federal laws, but under the current system (yes I may be wrong) Germany, France and Spain having more seats than the UK could easily override what they want and thus start telling the UK what federal laws they are going to have in the country with little say of the populace.
Welcome to my world. If you drop the essentially irrelevant point of whether or not different groups of voters happen to be in different countries, what you describe is exactly the process we see repeated every few years during election time, when some gang of people gets together, outvotes everyone else and impose their silly policies on them.

Or, to get myself back into the swing of things for uni: parliamentary democracy is not core optimal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_(economics)).

I will vote for the Pirate Party.
If that is not possible, for some unknown reason, then something on the far left.

I did my PhD in York)

Really? That's where I'm doing mine :D

University of York I trust, not York St Johns?

1. don't know as i don't know who i can vote for. how long have i got to look this shit up and where do i vote? :confused:

I don't know any of his either but it just seems to be like normal voting except with a conservative-UKIP alliance

3. nope. the press are far more interested in scaring us to death with economic doom and gloom

actually their was like one report from Germany that was rather positive...it was on Euronews for like 10 seconds

It's the absinthe.

same thing

And I rather like you calling me Natasa. :tongue:

just pretend your a poor eastern European girl after a visa ;)

Freakin' tea sippers, where's the blood?

we don't have any black men running :(

I hope you'll forgive me for noting that after 12 years of a Labour government that took us into Iraq

and the lib dems incoherent babble about sending weapons inspectors in again and again until they find something was good enough for you?

such flapping is the lib dem way when they are not either copying labour or playing the middle ground

EU election? Nobody told me. I don't think I'll bother voting.

you' know at this rate if we get everyone on NS voting we may soon have our own continent :D

under the current system (yes I may be wrong) Germany, France and Spain having more seats than the UK could easily override what they want

the UK has less seats than the likes of Germany because we have a smaller population (which equals like 2 seats less iirc) but it still means we are a major player that would need a large bloc to take us down (though tbh we already have a little gang in the EU that matches the Fraco-German cooperation)

furthermore shitty countries with no population like Malta have the most to gain from EU so it all really balances out with the Germans getting the worst deal

what you describe is exactly the process we see repeated every few years during election time, when some gang of people gets together, outvotes everyone else and impose their silly policies on them.

but this is proportional representation and I fail to see what you are getting at?

I can't vote until I'm 18.

I can't vote until I'm 18.

its because you should get off my lawn

Really? That's where I'm doing mine :D

University of York I trust, not York St Johns?

Yup - I didn't even know St. John's handed out doctorates.

Given your user name, you're not studying archaeology, are you? That would be a bit too spooky.


and the lib dems incoherent babble about sending weapons inspectors in again and again until they find something was good enough for you?

such flapping is the lib dem way when they are not either copying labour or playing the middle ground

While we'll have to respectfully disagree over what constitutes 'incoherent babble' and 'flapping' over Iraq, to my mind the Lib Dem position of opposition to the war in Iraq was infinitely preferable to the policy of unquestioning support of American untruths leading to tens of thousands of deaths that we ended up with. I actively protested against the war even before it started; I've never been on so many protest marches.

My central point, however, isn't to revisit whether that war was right or wrong - which would veer into a threadjack - but simply to note that, after the sequence of untruths and factual manipulation that led us into Iraq, 'trustworthiness' seems to be a strange point for a Labour voter to hang their hat on.

However, given that the EU elections are on a proportional representation system, both Labour and Lib Dem voters can vote for their favoured candidate without worrying that splitting the non-Tory vote will allow the Conservative candidate in. So there's no real need for either of us to get too shirty.

AFAIK there are no other votes going on in my country.

And I'm going to vote for... *drumroll* ELDR(European Liberal Democrat and Reform Party). Or at least I'm going to vote for a dutch party that's part of the alliance :)

Yup - I didn't even know St. John's handed out doctorates.

Given your user name, you're not studying archaeology, are you? That would be a bit too spooky.


No, no, psychology. I had quite a few friends doing archeology though (but not to PhD level), I hear the department is very good.

SNIP

but the real question is what will you be wearing?

I hear the department is very good.

I hear you have to do a lot of digging around to get the stuff you need though.

Funnily enough I already knew about the European parliament, however, I wasn't aware they had so much power.

I still think having people from other countries having a say in how your country is run and the laws you have to pass is ridiculous.



The Eu definatly has to much power over its members. Why should people in the UK let a bunch of Europeans tell us what we can and can not do. We don't need those leech's hanging at are tail. British polititians have lost all their back bone. If i could vote it would definitly be for UKIP.

Why should people in the UK let a bunch of Europeans tell us what we can and can not do.

because the EU does a better job of it than our own government? because the UK is fucked without the EU? the EU gives us money? so we can tell Russia to STFU?

We don't need those leech's hanging at are tail. British polititians have lost all their back bone.

oh yeah because Britain is such a major world player :rolleyes:

If i could vote it would definitly be for UKIP.

what does a UKIP voter wear to the polling booth though :confused:

why?

Lisbon will give the EP a lot more power than it actually has at the moment, and will restructure the EU system quite significantly to boot. I'd like not to vote on something that will change by the end of the year.

Lisbon will give the EP a lot more power than it actually has at the moment, and will restructure the EU system quite significantly to boot. I'd like not to vote on something that will change by the end of the year.

so its going to change who you will vote for? of course the EU is going to change either way over the next 5 years so why just vote with it in mind

and the lib dems incoherent babble about sending weapons inspectors in again and again until they find something was good enough for you?

such flapping is the lib dem way when they are not either copying labour or playing the middle ground




Exactly The Lib Dems need to grow some balls, then maybe they'd get some votes.

Exactly The Lib Dems need to grow some balls, then maybe they'd get some votes.

maybe the Greens should just take over they seem to have plenty of nuts these days

because the EU does a better job of it than our own government? because the UK is fucked without the EU? the EU gives us money? so we can tell Russia to STFU?



oh yeah because Britain is such a major world player :rolleyes:



what does a UKIP voter wear to the polling booth though :confused:

the EU don't give us money! we give them money. its countries like spain that the EU give our money to. why in the current economic climate are we throwing our money away like this. and britain may not be a major world player anymore but thats only becuase we were econmicaly crippled by to world wars, which we fought so that the European stuffed shirts who now rule our country could be free.

and as for what a UKIP voter would were to vote- not a lot

maybe the Greens should just take over they seem to have plenty of nuts these days

lol

but seriously the Lib Dems are a bunch of pussies

the EU don't give us money! we give them money. its countries like spain that the EU give our money to. why in the current economic climate are we throwing our money away like this. and britain may not be a major world player anymore but thats only becuase we were econmicaly crippled by to world wars, which we fought so that the European stuffed shirts who now rule our country could be free.
Sure, close yourselves off to the most attractive market on your doorstep - that would make real good economic policy in the current climate.

so its going to change who you will vote for?
Yup. Someone that has symbolic power now, means little to my vote. However if that power suddenly becomes more substantial, I would have to give serious thought about my vote - and to what EP bloc the party fits - and it's overall policy.

of course the EU is going to change either way over the next 5 years so why just vote with it in mind
I have had to vote on a whole variety of local, regional, national and european issues in the last 5 years - it's hard to keep track of all the issues :tongue:

the EU don't give us money! we give them money.

actually I think you will find it works both ways (http://www.hie.co.uk/EU-funding.html) (the most recent of which is to give over 55's free IT lessons)

its countries like spain that the EU give our money to.

for development which what with Europe being our largest trading partner is a good thing

why in the current economic climate are we throwing our money away like this.

makes money for instance look at how profitable rebuilding Europe and Japan was for the US

thats only

no it isn't Britain was teetering on the brink economically before WWI even started not that you can call Britain's economy crippled considering we own a sizable portion of the finance sector

politically we have been unimportant since we got bitch slapped in the Suez crisis

which we fought so that the European stuffed shirts who now rule our country could be free.

no we didn't (though I doubt you are over 60 years old)

and as for what a UKIP voter would were to vote- not a lot

O_O I now have Kilroy in my head and he just won't leave

but seriously the Lib Dems are a bunch of pussies

isn't that what UKIP is to the BNP >_>

Yup. Someone that has symbolic power now, means little to my vote. However if that power suddenly becomes more substantial, I would have to give serious thought about my vote - and to what EP bloc the party fits - and it's overall policy.

shouldn't you be doing this anyway?

I have had to vote on a whole variety of local, regional, national and european issues in the last 5 years - it's hard to keep track of all the issues :tongue:

just vote for whoever gives you the most money *nods*

am I the only one scared how NS people are allowed any degree of power in rl?

What? One thread, self enforced, polite discussion? Quit being pussies, where's the seven or eight redundant threads that have to be jammed together, the slagging off of people who oppose your candidates even within the same party? Don't you Europeans know how to have an election? Freakin' tea sippers, where's the blood?

this is coming from a yank? ur presdential elections are a joke. You wasted billions of $'s before a single vote had been cast. Why!? we all new who would win months before the elections. But then again its just what I've come to expect from The US? its your wasteful and corrupt society that has caused the economic crisis.

this is coming from a yank? ur presdential elections are a joke. You wasted billions of $'s before a single vote had been cast. Why!? we all new who would win months before the elections. But then again its just what I've come to expect from The US? its your wasteful and corrupt society that has caused the economic crisis.

*Gets out the popcorn*

And after only 5 posts too, I'm impressed.

this is coming from a yank? ur presdential elections are a joke. You wasted billions of $'s before a single vote had been cast. Why!? we all new who would win months before the elections. But then again its just what I've come to expect from The US? its your wasteful and corrupt society that has caused the economic crisis.

Can the shit, and let the adults have a discussion, please.

Anyway.

According to the BBC, the election isn't until June, specifically (for the UK) the 4th of June. I will probably go vote after my exam that day. Party wise, Lib Dems, possibly Greens (will need to look up their policies) or someone more minor. Off the top of my head, both of these tend to do reasonably well in my region, so it won't exactly be wasting my vote.

For clothing, I like Risottia's idea of a red shirt, so I might find one of those. Otherwise, the usual: vaguely khaki shirt and trousers. Or I'll convince a bunch of my friends to all go vote in fancy dress, that might be fun. We'll see.

actually I think you will find it works both ways (http://www.hie.co.uk/EU-funding.html) (the most recent of which is to give over 55's free IT lessons)

wow free IT lessons that realy makes up for all the money we give them
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for development which what with Europe being our largest trading partner is a good thing


the only thing spain offers to British people is an exuse to get pissed and tanned for a couple of weeks a year. which isn't a good thing for us or them. it is things like this which have caused the moral and social standards to decline in this country (that may make me sound like an OAP but im only 15). this is also destroying the spannish culture. there are entire comunities of all english speaking comunities full of place's that only serve only english food.

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makes money for instance look at how profitable rebuilding Europe and Japan was for the US


Exactly "was for the US" and look having them as the only world super power tuned out.
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no it isn't Britain was teetering on the brink economically before WWI even started not that you can call Britain's economy crippled considering we own a sizable portion of the finance sector


maybe but it is doubtles that if neither world war had happened ( or that the US weren't such pussies and hadn't only joined half way through both of them) we wouldn't be in the state that we are.
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politically we have been unimportant since we got bitch slapped in the Suez crisis


true it is not right how the country that made the modern world what it is has been pushed off the world stage.

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O_O I now have Kilroy in my head and he just won't leave


lol he was a disgrace to the party. and now you've put that image in my mind i cant get it out. thanks alot.
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isn't that what UKIP is to the BNP >_>


lol i'v got a few freinds that are BNP supporters and the same, but i don't mind immigrents as much as them so i don't support them. but i don't agree wih being in the EU. I know its easy to criticize party's like UKIP and the BNP but it is easier to criticize the spinless idiots in Downing street.

Well I wouldn't find it ridiculous when Alaska actually gets to vote on these federal laws, but under the current system (yes I may be wrong) Germany, France and Spain having more seats than the UK could easily override what they want and thus start telling the UK what federal laws they are going to have in the country with little say of the populace. A reason why I cheer on the Irish government, they had the balls to stand by their people's decision and not have another referendum wanting people to vote yes despite Sarkozy's protests.


Spain doesn't have more seats than the UK (they have a lot less). More population => more EP seats, of course (just like in the US House of Representatives).
You should also remember that the Council of Europe (the other legislative body) is totally parithetic: one country one vote. So Germany at the Council has one vote, just like Malta.

Don't know what I will vote on, perhaps Pirate Party just for the fun. Don't think they will get any seats anyway, but it is a way to show that there are no other alternatives in Sweden (and we have seven major parties...which pretty much are just two different sides).

Can the shit, and let the adults have a discussion, please.



Just because I'm younger than you, it does not mean that I am any less inteligant than you- or that your veiws are any more important than mine. it is people like you who disregard the veiws of the youth that make young people become disillustioned with politics, meaning that we will forever be rule by a bunch of ignorent old men who have no idea what young people want.

Just because I'm younger than you, it does not mean that I am any less inteligant than you

Lol at the irony.

this is coming from a yank? ur presdential elections are a joke. You wasted billions of $'s before a single vote had been cast. Why!? we all new who would win months before the elections. But then again its just what I've come to expect from The US? its your wasteful and corrupt society that has caused the economic crisis.

He was joking, learn to recognise sarcasm.

I'm dyslexic, my bad. lol

Just because I'm younger than you, it does not mean that I am any less inteligant than you- or that your veiws are any more important than mine. it is people like you who disregard the veiws of the youth that make young people become disillustioned with politics, meaning that we will forever be rule by a bunch of ignorent old men who have no idea what young people want.

Bolded for irony.

I'm 18. I've been politically interested since much younger.

I don't give a damn about whether a poster actually is an adult, only if they can express themselves as one. We have posters here younger than yourself who are much better at expressing themselves and debating well. We have those here older than yourself who suck at it. That age comment would have been delivered at anyone who turned up and made a post like that, irrespective of their actual age.

Basically all you've been doing all thread is reciting the same tired old anti-european talking points, so popular with UKIP and the Tories. If you were bringing something interesting and new, then I would be interested about it. But you aren't, so you're really just cluttering up the discussion a bit.

tbh I can't see that you've brought anything to the discussion, other than trying (unsucsessfuly) to insult me over my spelling and political beliefs.

( i know that I've probaly spelt some(if not most) of that wrong)

wow free IT lessons that realy makes up for all the money we give them

actually it does the EU has worked its arse off getting people into work and in this case its making sure the oldest job market is given an equal chance in the job market compared to workers who have gained IT skills at school

it is things like this which have caused the moral and social standards to decline in this country

put those rose tinted lenses away the past was crap and reading the bible all day is no way to spend a teens years

also on the talk of Spain its currently the 8th largest economy in the world they are rather important to our prosperity (and has created half of the total new jobs in the EU)

Exactly "was for the US" and look having them as the only world super power tuned out.

really well? the past 60 years have seen the greatest growth in world history along with the end of imperialism things are going well :)

maybe but it is doubtles that if neither world war had happened ( or that the US weren't such pussies and hadn't only joined half way through both of them) we wouldn't be in the state that we are.

working a crappy textile job from age 6-when you die at 30 FTW! all glory for the empire that bleeds the world dry

true it is not right how the country that made the modern world what it is has been pushed off the world stage.

all the more reason to stay in the EU rather than isolate ourselves

I know its easy to criticize party's like UKIP and the BNP but it is easier to criticize the spinless idiots in Downing street.

nah is much easier to criticize right wing parties than reasonably centrist folk who have managed to run the country

or that your veiws are any more important than mine.

do you pay taxes? can you vote?

I always remembered being irked by kids complaining about this when I was younger and dinosaurs roamed the Earth

SNIP

oh be nice, independence movements within the EU are rather important and the sovereignty issues brought up are rather pressing

The continental empire is going to have an election soon (who knew?) and every EU citizen will be able to vote in it *gasp*

who will you be voting for? will there be other votes going on in your country? did you know about this before clicking the thread? what will you be wearing when you vote?
1) I will, as always, vote for the Social Democrats.

2) Yes. First it's the EU election on June 7, and later in the year, on September 27, it's the 17th German federal election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_2009). That one I do not look forward to, because in all likeliness the Christian democratic conservatives and the center-right liberals will receive a majority. Can't stand either one, but the combination of the two is just horrible. Horrible, I say!

3) Of course I did.

4) Why is it important what I'll be wearing? Whatever's clean and fits. I don't dress up for elections like they were a costume party. I just show up and vote, is all.

actually it does the EU has worked its arse off getting people into work and in this case its making sure the oldest job market is given an equal chance in the job market compared to workers who have gained IT skills at school



put those rose tinted lenses away the past was crap and reading the bible all day is no way to spend a teens years
I'm not a cristian and i don't read the bible. why would i let some book designed to keep those in power- in power.




really well? the past 60 years have seen the greatest growth in world history along with the end of imperialism things are going well :)
look how well all these former colinies are doing. FFS look at Zimbabwe


working a crappy textile job from age 6-when you die at 30 FTW! all glory for the empire that bleeds the world dry
no, britain was one of the first countries in the world (if not the first) to bring in social reforms . and had one of the highest life expectancies in the world. and had one of he best standards of living pre 1914


all the more reason to stay in the EU rather than isolate ourselves
all the more reason to seperate ourselves and stand out. at least i land had the balls to call avote on lisbon



do you pay taxes? can you vote?
no, but that makes no differance. you are no better because you can vote.
I always remembered being irked by kids complaining about this when I was younger and dinosaurs roamed the Earth[/QUOTE]
this just shows how old u are and explains ur old, out dated views.

I'm not a cristian and i don't read the bible. why would i let some book designed to keep those in power- in power.

so why the bitching about morals?

look how well all these former colinies are doing. FFS look at Zimbabwe

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, South Africa etc etc

how on Earth would anyone be better off ruled by a foreign power with no interest other than making money?

no, britain was one of the first countries in the world (if not the first) to bring in social reforms . and had one of the highest life expectancies in the world. and had one of he best standards of living pre 1914

actually your thinking of the US though life expectancy in nomadic peoples was only recently surpassed by us civilized types

all the more reason to seperate ourselves and stand out.

and then we can be rich and prosperous like Cuba!

really there is no point in standing out, united the EU is a global player in the true sense of the word producing 20% of the world total wealth and being able to have a foreign policy of its own rather than just "lets call the US to save us"

no, but that makes no differance. you are no better because you can vote.

yes I am I have power, wealth, a decent taste in music and me and my friends could probably take your lunch money :p

this just shows how old u are and explains ur old, out dated views.

pfft I'm 19 (please don't remind me that I will be 20 next year)

shouldn't you be doing this anyway?
Meh. I vote for specific reasons in national elections, but those reasons might not transcribe into European elections the same. I might vote for a party that is a member of the PES in the European Parliament, but on a national level I might not - that might be a EPP-ED member.

I'm still torn about who should have the power anyway - the Parliament or the Council.

just vote for whoever gives you the most money *nods*
QUIET! Stop giving away our secret voting patterns!!

am I the only one scared how NS people are allowed any degree of power in rl?
I'd be petrified. LG in charge of something..... *shudders*

tbh I can't see that you've brought anything to the discussion, other than trying (unsucsessfuly) to insult me over my spelling and political beliefs.

( i know that I've probaly spelt some(if not most) of that wrong)
It's not your spelling - it's your points.


look how well all these former colinies are doing. FFS look at Zimbabwe
Counter example: India.

all the more reason to seperate ourselves and stand out. at least i land had the balls to call avote on lisbon
Then, frankly, fuck off to a non EU country. I'm tired of hearing nonsensical, half witted, rambling about the UK and it's "loss of power" from people who can't see the massive economic benefits of having 26 open markets in front of them.

Spain doesn't have more seats than the UK (they have a lot less). More population => more EP seats, of course (just like in the US House of Representatives).

Indeed. The UK holds more seats, actually more than any of the other EU member countries. At least, to the best of my knowledge.

Indeed. The UK holds more seats, actually more than any of the other EU member countries. At least, to the best of my knowledge.

No, Germany definitely has more, and I think France does as well.

Indeed. The UK holds more seats, actually more than any of the other EU member countries. At least, to the best of my knowledge.

Germany
99
France
78
Italy
78
United Kingdom
78
Spain
54
Poland
54
Romania
35
Netherlands
27
Belgium
24
Czech Republic
24
Greece
24
Hungary
24
Portugal
24
Sweden
19
Austria
18
Bulgaria
18
Finland
14
Denmark
14
Slovakia
14
Ireland
13
Lithuania
13
Latvia
9
Slovenia
7
Cyprus
6
Estonia
6
Luxembourg
6
Malta
5

so why the bitching about morals?
becuase its a fact that that morals have declined in the western world


Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, South Africa etc etc

Counter arguement: Iraq, Burma, Palestine, Zimbabwe, South Africa (until 1994 when the apartied ended), Somalia, Pakistan

how on Earth would anyone be better off ruled by a foreign power with no interest other than making money?
we left these people alone and look what they did. they'd have been better off with us.


actually your thinking of the US though life expectancy in nomadic peoples was only recently surpassed by us civilized types

no I'm not. infact we just did this in school. Example the reform act of 1832, the pensions act in 1908. these were that first steps towards the state taking responcibility for its people. the Liberal goverment cleared slums and gave people job insuranse. the americans did not do anything like this nor were they econmicly powerful intil post WW1

and then we can be rich and prosperous like Cuba!
at least cuba aren't Europes bitches.

really there is no point in standing out, united the EU is a global player in the true sense of the word producing 20% of the world total wealth and being able to have a foreign policy of its own rather than just "lets call the US to save us"

Europe would still be in tatters if we hadn't "called the US to save us" after WW2. we all owe them alot (although to be fair they owe us alot)
and why should we let all these Eastern Europeans come over and take british jobs?

yes I am I have power, wealth, a decent taste in music and me and my friends could probably take your lunch money :p
pfft I doubt that you have any freinds. and if u do their probably all skinny geeks and i doubt tat you could take any of my money. and what power do you have, big deal you've got one vote, what differnce does that make.


pfft I'm 19 (please don't remind me that I will be 20 next year)

19 ain't old dude, don't get stressed cos ur gonna be 20 (which makes u sound alot older)

its because you should get off my lawn

Although, if I could, I'd probably vote for the Social Democrat Party(SDP) or the National Coalition Party(Kokoomus).

becuase its a fact that that morals have declined in the western world

I contest that it hasn't what with all the tolerance, crime reduction and stepbrothers coming out

Counter arguement: Iraq, Burma, Palestine, Zimbabwe, South Africa (until 1994 when the apartied ended), Somalia, Pakistan

meh thats what they were like before and during

we left these people alone and look what they did. they'd have been better off with us.

can you explain to me what it is we do so well that these people can't do on their own?

when I see elderly couples at the seaside bickering over parking I do not see the masters of the universe

infact we just did this in school.

don't bother learning this bit its not on the test but lord help you if you ever miss the lesson on the suffragettes

the americans did not do anything like this nor were they econmicly powerful intil post WW1

read up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_history_of_the_United_States#Organized_labor_to_1900)

at least cuba aren't Europes bitches

no its just a parreiah state that still operates on the technology of the early 1960's

and why should we let all these Eastern Europeans come over and take british jobs?

because Eastern Europe (of note is Poland) have been providing a steady market for the West since the fall of communism?

I could probably also point out that their is nothing that makes an Eastern European more qualified than a Brit its just that the British working class would rather be on the dole banging underage girls in the back of escorts

pfft I doubt that you have any freinds. and if u do their probably all skinny geeks and i doubt tat you could take any of my money.

*calls your school saying you have a gun*

and what power do you have, big deal you've got one vote, what differnce does that make.

quite a bit I also have all these dandy rights that you don't have like how I don't live at home and my dad can't make me turn my music down

*legally drinks but also gets shipped off to war*

19 ain't old dude, don't get stressed cos ur gonna be 20 (which makes u sound alot older)

everyone I know is talking about getting a mortgage, settling down and getting their lives sorted

do you know how scary that is?! some of them have children dammit:eek2:

Although, if I could, I'd probably vote for the Social Democrat Party(SDP) or the National Coalition Party(Kokoomus).

"I'm sorry I don't listen to hip-hop"

"I'm sorry I don't listen to hip-hop"

Wut

Wut

South Park Movie

Wut

*Facepalm*

It was a joke.

*Facepalm*

It was a joke.

Which I didn't know. I can't remember everything.

Which I didn't know. I can't remember everything.

I didn't know it was from the South Park Movie either (I really should watch that again), but I could still tell from the context that it was clearly a joke.

I contest that it hasn't what with all the tolerance, crime reduction and stepbrothers coming out

burglaries are on the rise, teenage pegnacy is on the rise.

meh thats what they were like before and during
not as bad as they are now


can you explain to me what it is we do so well that these people can't do on their own?
stabalize their own country



don't bother learning this bit its not on the test but lord help you if you ever miss the lesson on the suffragettes
funnily enough were doing the suffregettes atm, its the most boring thing I've studied my life.


read up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_history_of_the_United_States#Organized_labor_to_1900)

come on man, the Americans are still far behind us in Socia welfare, the rich are very rich and the poor are very poor. they have hardly any benifits system, and no NHS.

no its just a parreiah state that still operates on the technology of the early 1960's

(and late 50's)


because Eastern Europe (of note is Poland) have been providing a steady market for the West since the fall of communism?
when there are no jobs for British people , why should foriegners get them.

I could probably also point out that their is nothing that makes an Eastern European more qualified than a Brit its just that the British working class would rather be on the dole banging underage girls in the back of escorts
fair enough i say that those who sit around all day and live off benifits should get nothing unless they are genuinly looking for work, and not just spounging of the government


*calls your school saying you have a gun*
*brings a gun into school*


quite a bit I also have all these dandy rights that you don't have like how I don't live at home and my dad can't make me turn my music down

*legally drinks but also gets shipped off to war*

a) i dont have a dad,
b)im moving out soon any way
c)still drinking anyway

everyone I know is talking about getting a mortgage, settling down and getting their lives sorted

do you know how scary that is?! some of them have children dammit:eek2:
hmm i know, so of my mates have got kids. fuking scary!


"I'm sorry I don't listen to hip-hop"

lol south park movie

but this is proportional representation and I fail to see what you are getting at?
Unless it's proportional at a ratio of 1:1, what I said doesn't change. And even then the process is still the same: when there's majority rule to the exclusion of other opinions, as there is at the final stage of any democratic process, the minority gets things imposed on them they don't want. Democracy is not core optimal, and whether the people that outvote you happen to live in another country or just another city, or even in your neighbourhood really isn't relevant. Hence the people who don't like the idea of "foreigners" imposing laws on European countries obviously haven't really understood what democracy is all about.

I still think having people from other countries having a say in how your country is run and the laws you have to pass is ridiculous.That's sort of the point of the EU though - that on those specific issues, they aren't separate countries.

That's sort of the point of the EU though - that on those specific issues, they aren't separate countries.

Welcome to the EU, buddy.

The continental empire is going to have an election soon

Wait, what?

when there are no jobs for British people , why should foriegners get them.
Because they're equally if not better qualified and work for cheaper. If British people want to move to Poland to work they can feel free.

Because they're equally if not better qualified and work for cheaper. If British people want to move to Poland to work they can feel free.

Why would any British people would want to go and work in poland, they were all coming over here to get work. The only good thing to come out of the reccession is that the Poles are leaving .

Why would any British people would want to go and work in poland, they were all coming over here to get work. The only good thing to come out of the reccession is that the Poles are leaving .

Maybe you haven't quite realised this, but most of the growth of the British economy before the recent recession was due to 'those' people being able to come over here and work for less. You need a good supply of cheap labour to be the base for capitalism, and if the Brits will refuse to provide this, the Poles will. If you hadn't let them, I suspect that economic stagnation would have been the order of the day for the last 10 years or so.

The xenophobic nationalism of certain parts of the UK doesn't strike me as a particularly good reason to do this, really. And does strike me as a remarkably good case against nationalism itself.

Edit: This doesn't mean I like the EU free market, but that's for completely different reasons. I just dislike xenophobia more.

Why would any British people would want to go and work in poland, they were all coming over here to get work. The only good thing to come out of the reccession is that the Poles are leaving .

1. xenophobe
2. seriously, its called equality and freedom, we can work there, they can work here, seems fair enough to me

Why would any British people would want to go and work in poland, they were all coming over here to get work. The only good thing to come out of the reccession is that the Poles are leaving .
Bloody foreigners, coming over here, taking the jobs we don't want and doing them well for pittance pay!

Menial British jobs for British workers!

1. xenophobe
2. seriously, its called equality and freedom, we can work there, they can work here, seems fair enough to me


1) not a xenophobe. Xenophobe- Definition: Xenophobia, the fear of people who are different from one's self. I'm not scared of foriegners- I just don't agree that we hould keep terrorists in our country. In Britain, British people should come first- not hate mongerers. The same thing goes for each and every country- nationals first.

1) not a xenophobe. Xenophobe- Definition: Xenophobia, the fear of people who are different from one's self. I'm not scared of foriegners- I just don't agree that we hould keep terrorists in our country. In Britain, British people should come first- not hate mongerers. The same thing goes for each and every country- nationals first.

I'm not a racist. Racism: prejudice against people based on their skin colour or racial characteristics. I'm not prejudiced against non-white people, I just don't agree that we should keep lazy people in our country. In Britain, white people should come first, not others. The same thing goes for each and every country - races should live with their own kind.

Just for illustrative purposes, but I think the point is clear. You claim to not be a xenophobe, then deny it with your later words.

1) not a xenophobe. Xenophobe- Definition: Xenophobia, the fear of people who are different from one's self. I'm not scared of foriegners- I just don't agree that we hould keep terrorists in our country. In Britain, British people should come first- not hate mongerers. The same thing goes for each and every country- nationals first.

1. Xenophobia means fear or hatred/dislike/etc. You seem to have shown the second in this thread.

2. I don't remember many instances of Polish terrorism recently.

Britain, British people should come first- not hate mongerers.
3. You're at the back of the queue then I assume.

In Britain, British people should come first- not hate mongerers. The same thing goes for each and every country- nationals first.
And what does this have to do with EU economic migrants?

And what does this have to do with EU economic migrants?

Poles shoot babies, it's a well known fact.

1. Xenophobia means fear or hatred/dislike/etc. You seem to have shown the second in this thread.

2. I don't remember many instances of Polish terrorism recently.


3. You're at the back of the queue then I assume.

no I'm not at the back of the que. I do not Hate immigrents. I only think that british people should come first in their own country ( for jobs and on housing lists)

no I'm not at the back of the que. I do not Hate immigrents. I only think that british people should come first in their own country ( for jobs and on housing lists)

What about those lazy bastards who don't work? Should they come ahead of a well qualified Ghanaian, for example?

Poles shoot babies, it's a well known fact.

Exactly a well known fact

Exactly a well known fact

Then they eat them raw.

Poles shoot babies, it's a well known fact.
I thought that pierogi tasted funny...


I only think that british people should come first in their own country ( for jobs and on housing lists)
British people* or British citizens?

I see no reason to deny first-come-first-serve jobs or housing to those living and working in the UK, no matter their place of birth.

(*whatever they are)

What about those lazy bastards who don't work? Should they come ahead of a well qualified Ghanaian, for example?

no I've already said this some were else, all the lazy people people in this country shouldn't get a penny. infact they should be deported

infact they should be deported
Where are you deporting all these 'lazy' people and 'terrorists' to?

no I've already said this some were else, all the lazy people people in this country shouldn't get a penny. infact they should be deported

Deported to where?

Where are you deporting all these 'lazy' people and 'terrorists' to?

The terrorist should go back to were they came from or where they are wanted. As for the lazy bastards- i duno the moon? perhaps not deported- bu forced to do work, they could set up schemes like in the '30's in ameica (except that it is compolsary)

(except that it is compolsary)

So like labour camps in Nazi Germany then?

no I'm not at the back of the que. I do not Hate immigrents. I only think that british people should come first in their own country ( for jobs and on housing lists)

You say you're not a hatemonger, yet...

The only good thing to come out of the reccession is that the Poles are leaving .

You're happy that foreigners are leaving and

I just don't agree that we hould keep terrorists in our country
Felt the need to characterise them all as terrorists.

The terrorist should go back to were they came from...
Leeds?

...or where they are wanted.
What state wants folk like Abu Hamza?

So like labour camps in Nazi Germany then?

no, they wouldn't be killing jews, we'd be making lazy people work. some people have never done a hard days work in their life and just spounge off the government. people like that should be made to work.

no, they wouldn't be killing jews, we'd be making lazy people work. some people have never done a hard days work in their life and just spounge off the government. people like that should be made to work.

I said labour, not concentration. People were made to do forced labour under Hitler, whether Jewish or not.

no, they wouldn't be killing jews, we'd be making lazy people work. some people have never done a hard days work in their life and just spounge off the government. people like that should be made to work.

How exactly do you intend on forcing them to work? What if they just sat down and refused?

some people have never done a hard days work in their life and just spounge off the government. people like that should be made to work.

How much hard work have you done? What do you contribute to the country's economy?

Leeds?


What state wants folk like Abu Hamza?

i meant wanted to be tried in court

and if they were born in britain then they should be sent to their place of decent- or put in britain.

and if they were born in britain then they should be sent to their place of decent- or put in britain.

Put where in Britain?

some people have never done a hard days work in their life and just spounge off the government. people like that should be made to work.
So, not a concentration camp, just a gulag?

How much hard work have you done? What do you contribute to the country's economy?

not alot but I'm only 15. And with the qualifications I'm going to get I'll pay more than enough taxes.
already got a job any way- more than some of these people ever have.

already got a job any way- more than some of these people ever have.
Who are "these people"?

What do you mean by "scroungers"?

not alot but I'm only 15. And with the qualifications I'm going to get I'll pay more than enough taxes.
already got a job any way- more than some of these people ever have.


So you already know what you're going to get in your GCSEs?

Put where in Britain?

Typo I meant to write prison

not alot but I'm only 15. And with the qualifications I'm going to get I'll pay more than enough taxes.
already got a job any way- more than some of these people ever have.

You're 15? You only have hypothetical qualifications at the moment.

So you already know what you're going to get in your GCSEs?

already got some and got different qualifications already

already got some and got different qualifications already

A Duke of Edinburgh award doesn't count

already got some and got different qualifications already

What have you got then? Full GCSEs? Because ISAs and modules etc don't count.

A Duke of Edinburgh award doesn't count

Don't patronize me, I go to Colledge as well as School to get more qualifictions. and next year I'm going to get National Diploma, and then in a couple of years I'll start my degree

A Duke of Edinburgh award doesn't count

What have you got then? Full GCSEs? Because ISAs and modules etc don't count.
Let's attack the argument, not the poster, shall we?

Don't patronize me, I go to Colledge as well as School to get more qualifictions. and next year I'm going to get National Diploma, and then in a couple of years I'll start my degree

You can't go to college until you're 16.

Let's attack the argument, not the poster, shall we?

I was asking what his supposed qualifications are.

Let's attack the argument, not the poster, shall we?

Spoilsport

You can't go to college until you're 16.

yes you can i started when i was 14,

I still can't c what this has to do with politics

I was asking what his supposed qualifications are.
Whether RoI has qualifications or not is moot.

yes you can i started when i was 14

So you do this after school then or what?

So you do this after school then or what?

Chumbly has a point.

So you do this after school then or what?

nah i do it 2 days a week, and go to school 3 days a week

nah i do it 2 days a week, and go to school 3 days a week

What kind of school lets you miss 2 days a week? I don't believe you.

What kind of school lets you miss 2 days a week? I don't believe you.

Believe what you want, apparently its because I'm a disruptive influence. but im not stupid( even though i cant type) I go to a grammar school, but i just hate the school enviroment

Believe what you want, apparently its because I'm a disruptive influence.

If you were a disruptive influence enough for them to want you away, they'd have expelled you.

What kind of school lets you miss 2 days a week? I don't believe you.
As well as repeating my comments about attacking the argument, not the poster, I'd note that many schools have schemes similar to what RoI's describing, with (local) colleges taking on students part of the week.

Can we get back to talking about the EU now?

As well as repeating my comments about attacking the argument, not the poster, I'd note that many schools have schemes similar to what RoI's describing, with (local) colleges taking on students part of the week.

Can we get back to talking about the EU now?

Yes lets talk about the EU. but first of all i wanna say Fuck You to DayWatch about that youtube crap.

What did everyone think about that statue done by that czech guy for the EU?
i thought it was hilerious that he got away with that.

What did everyone think about that statue done by that czech guy for the EU?
i thought it was hilerious that he got away with that.

We had a thread about that, we all thought it was fairly amusing, except he could've done so much better with Ireland.

We had a thread about that, we all thought it was fairly amusing, except he could've done so much better with Ireland.

What about the Prospect of Turky joining the EU?

What about the Prospect of Turky joining the EU?

I made one of those last Summer, it only got to 3 pages.

What about the Prospect of Turky joining the EU?
I reckon it'll happen eventually, though Turkey will have to deal with Cyprus and other issues before then.

So, we've got a wait on our hands.

I reckon it'll happen eventually, though Turkey will have to deal with Cyprus and other issues before then.

So, we've got a wait on our hands.

What about Bulgaria?

What about Bulgaria?

They joined 2 years ago.

What about the Prospect of Turky joining the EU?

They, like any other country, can join as soon as they've got their human rights issues, democracy issues, and economic issues in check.

More member states, mean more markets and more job opportunities - means a win-win for everyone. That's the whole point of a European Union - open markets.

What about Bulgaria?
Um, what about it?

It's already a part of the EU; joined in 2007 I believe.

Um, what about it?

It's already a part of the EU; joined in 2007 I believe.

April 2007.

nah i do it 2 days a week, and go to school 3 days a week

pfft NVQ 1 = useless :p

burglaries are on the rise, teenage pegnacy is on the rise.

no there not

Chav breeding down:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/kits-trousses/preg-gross/images/Chart1.gif

pikey sightings down:
http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.gov.uk/toolkits/db020103-graph1.gif

not as bad as they are now

their under colonial rule again?

stabalize their own country

and we can do this because...

funnily enough were doing the suffregettes atm, its the most boring thing I've studied my life.

take note in the force feeding part its on the test iirc

come on man, the Americans are still far behind us in Socia welfare, the rich are very rich and the poor are very poor. they have hardly any benifits system, and no NHS.

however we are talking of conditions at the start of the 20th century

when there are no jobs for British people , why should foriegners get them.

because they are more qualified and bother to apply themselves?

fair enough i say that those who sit around all day and live off benifits should get nothing unless they are genuinly looking for work, and not just spounging of the government

thats is already the case its why its called job seekers allowance and the government (and the EU) put effort into providing help getting people into work

*brings a gun into school*

:eek2:


b)im moving out soon any way

unless your planning on joining the Infantry like every God fearing Englishman should I think you are mistaken

c)still drinking anyway

sitting at bus stops drinking cider = fail

hmm i know, so of my mates have got kids. fuking scary!

be careful now I've been broody for awhile and don't need the facts :p

Can't be bothered using the quote button to address multiple points from Ring of Isengard across several pages, but a couple of quick thoughts:


1) Ireland's Lisbon referendum had nothing to do with 'balls', and everything to do with the Irish constitution. The Republic of Ireland is the only EU nation constitutionally-required to hold a referendum on the Lisbon treaty. No Irish political party could have avoided a referendum.

2) UK workers do benefit from the right to work in Poland. My wife regularly travels to Poland to work, where she trains clients and runs competitions. No doubt she's taking a job away from a good hard-working Pole or two.

Otherwise, meh. Why waste good typing skills on this sort of silliness?

Yes lets talk about the EU. but first of all i wanna say Fuck You to DayWatch about that youtube crap.

What did everyone think about that statue done by that czech guy for the EU?
i thought it was hilerious that he got away with that.

Watch it. Report spammers, don't get drawn into breaking the rules yourself.

Um, what about it?

It's already a part of the EU; joined in 2007 I believe.

Soz I ment FY, cant think strate intoicated

pfft NVQ 1 = useless :p
1NVQ and 2B-Tecs and its only a stepping stone

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no there not

Chav breeding down:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/kits-trousses/preg-gross/images/Chart1.gif

pikey sightings down:
http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.gov.uk/toolkits/db020103-graph1.gif

nah both are on the rise- Government statistics


take note in the force feeding part its on the test iirc

TY

however we are talking of conditions at the start of the 20th century
yes but the things that we did between 100 and 50 years ago they still havn't done


because they are more qualified and bother to apply themselves?
yes but for those that are looking for jobs and need them the jobs should go to Brits


thats is already the case its why its called job seekers allowance and the government (and the EU) put effort into providing help getting people into work
Yes but tests to show that people are looking for jobs are inadiquete


:eek2:
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unless your planning on joining the Infantry like every God fearing Englishman should I think you are mistaken
nah going to get Dimploma- why would I join the army? And I've told u before I'm not a Christian- religion has caused far more grief than its worth.


sitting at bus stops drinking cider = fail
bus stop? more class than than that- its a train station actualy.

nah both are on the rise- Government statistics


This current government has a very poor history on stats admittedly, but how do you know they're on the rise. The British Crime Survey is independantly carried out and reported no change in burglary levels for 07/08 if you're interested.

Soz I ment FY, cant think strate intoicated

To clarify I think by FY RoI means Macedonia (also called FYROM or former yugoslav republic of macedonia due to a name dispute with Greece).

To clarify I think by FY RoI means Macedonia (also called FYROM or former yugoslav republic of macedonia due to a name dispute with Greece).

I just ment a the former Yugoslavian states in Genaral, soz should have clarified

This current government has a very poor history on stats admittedly, but how do you know they're on the rise. The British Crime Survey is independantly carried out and reported no change in burglary levels for 07/08 if you're interested.

'm not disagreeing with you on this pont, but I did see on the BCC that two studies have said that both burglaries and teen pregnancies were on the rise(although I've some what lost my trust in the BBC- they seem to become more like the Daily Fail every day)

1NVQ and 2B-Tecs and its only a stepping stone

bah you would been better off sticking to full time school tbh, your losing all your flexibility for a little trade experience

nah both are on the rise- Government statistics

can't any graphs for it :confused:

yes but the things that we did between 100 and 50 years ago they still havn't done

doesn't prove that Britain's industrial conditions happened to be better than in the US pre-WWI though does it :p

yes but for those that are looking for jobs and need them the jobs should go to Brits

there is no reason why they wouldn't be getting the jobs if the Poles and Brits were on equal grounds but they are not and it would be unfair for companies to hire substandard British employees just because they ticked the right box on the equal opportunities part of the application

furthermore in experience up until late 08 you could get a factory job starting on the next day but did I see any British workers applying? no, just Poles who had come to the UK to sink of float (bearing in mind that if an EU citizen can't find work in 3 months they get deported)

Yes but tests to show that people are looking for jobs are inadiquete

bah better to have a few Tuna slip through the net than catch a shark or something witty like that

I've told u before I'm not a Christian- religion has caused far more grief than its worth.

you have? I'm just dishing out career advice and the only credible way you can leave home early without that fucked up community housing (btw do OU if you can when you finish school its the shit)

bus stop? more class than than that- its a train station actualy.

kids these days :tongue:

bah you would been better off sticking to full time school tbh, your losing all your flexibility for a little trade experience

It while help me get in to my desired field

can't any graphs for it :confused:

what?:confused:makes no sense


furthermore in experience up until late 08 you could get a factory job starting on the next day but did I see any British workers applying? no, just Poles who had come to the UK to sink of float (bearing in mind that if an EU citizen can't find work in 3 months they get deported)
rele didn't Know that. if a pole gets a job most of the money he gets is sent back to poland and lost from our econemy


bah better to have a few Tuna slip through the net than catch a shark or something witty like that
better to catch a shark than a whale or somthing witty like that


you have? I'm just dishing out career advice and the only credible way you can leave home early without that fucked up community housing (btw do OU if you can when you finish school its the shit)
Living up there not in comunity housing. what is OU?


kids these days :tongue:
now who's harping on about morals old man? :rolleyes:

I just ment a the former Yugoslavian states in Genaral, soz should have clarified

Slovenia already joined and already adopted the Euro.

This current government has a very poor history on stats admittedly, but how do you know they're on the rise. The British Crime Survey is independantly carried out and reported no change in burglary levels for 07/08 if you're interested.

And generally a decrease since an all-time high in 1997, certainly for violent crime. We may see a slight increase now but that is due to economic issues.

However, perceptions of crime have increase dramatically.