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A link to the poster who posted a link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14527652&postcount=12)

I just got done watching the video from the website that the poster linked to. I watched both of them, and as these two...idiots were hitting, slapping, and basically slamming this cat to the ground and to the wall, they were laughing. I just have one question, how the fuck is that funny? What's so funny about taking an animal that can't even defend itself and hitting it and slamming it against wall funny?! I also wonder what the fuck their parents are like, because I imagine the kids parents are those parents who try to be their kids "friends" instead of real parents. I'm glad the local law enforcement have taken action on the two idiots, but as I watch the video I was just shocked and sadden. I imagined someone doing that to my cat, and how outraged I'd be if someone did that to Amelia.

I am willing to be everyone who post here $5 that these two kids will grow up to become serial killers, or abuser to humans. I hope they're locked up for the rest of their lives. I also hope that they get to mix and mingle in with the general prison population so that they can be abused.

/rant

Aren't you the one who hit your own cat?

Where did I say I found it funny? I meant to imply that the anonymous reaction to it was completely over the top.

EDIT: As is yours. Seriously, lock two 14 year old kids up for the rest of their lives over a fucking cat? What would you advocate if they'd punched a human? The death penalty?

Aren't you the one who hit your own cat?

When have I ever said that I hit my own cat? I have never raised a hand against Amelia or her predecessor Sara Smunkee. I think you have me confused with someone else.

I didn't even watch it. I managed to get through the video of the kid getting killed by BART officers, once, but I couldn't watch a second of anyone hurting an animal.

Where did I say I found it funny? I meant to imply that the anonymous reaction to it was completely over the top.

EDIT: As is yours.

How is it over the top? I think the outburst of rage and anger is right and just. I honestly believe that the kid should be humiliated online and in person for what he has done. Animals cannot defend themselves against idiots, so the rest of us need to stand up for them. Since they are juveniles, they'll get a slap on the wrist, no real jail time, and no real punishment to speak of. They'll get "community services" and a "stern lecture". They'll roll their eyes and say "Yea, ok we won't do it anymore." The only thing that'll change is that they won't film it next time and put it on the 'net where people can watch it and report it.

How is it over the top? I think the outburst of rage and anger is right and just. I honestly believe that the kid should be humiliated online and in person for what he has done. Animals cannot defend themselves against idiots, so the rest of us need to stand up for them. Since they are juveniles, they'll get a slap on the wrist, no real jail time, and no real punishment to speak of. They'll get "community services" and a "stern lecture". They'll roll their eyes and say "Yea, ok we won't do it anymore." The only thing that'll change is that they won't film it next time and put it on the 'net where people can watch it and report it.

It's over the top because it's just a cat. How many videos are there on youtube of people fighting? Does anonymous target them? Do you advocate locking people up for the rest of their lives for punching a human target, a defenseless one?

No. You don't.

Your double standards confuse me.

When have I ever said that I hit my own cat? I have never raised a hand against Amelia or her predecessor Sara Smunkee. I think you have me confused with someone else.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13206210&postcount=34

I'm pretty sure that's you, and I'm pretty sure you said you slapped her on the head.......which is both hitting and "raising a hand against" your cat.

I remember nearly everything I read. You may have forgotten saying it, but I didn't.

It's over the top because it's just a cat. How many videos are there on youtube of people fighting? Does anonymous target them? Do you advocate locking people up for the rest of their lives for punching a human target, a defenseless one?

No. You don't.

Your double standards confuse me.

And just as an addition to this: I think you're letting your emotion get the better of you, because you own a cat, think they're cute, and feel protective of them. This is natural, but it's not logical and any punishment should be objective and devoid of subjective emotional taint.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13206210&postcount=34

I'm pretty sure that's you, and I'm pretty sure you said you slapped her on the head.......which is both hitting and "raising a hand against" your cat.

I remember nearly everything I read. You may have forgotten saying it, but I didn't.

A slight tap on the head vs. what was played in the video isn't the same thing. I have since then reformed my ways of correction Amelia to verbal cues. A slight tap on the head to correct a unwanted behavior vs. slapping, hitting, and slamming a cat against the walls and floor of your bathroom for your own sick, twisted amusement isn't the same thing Smunkee, and I'm surprised you're comparing me to these two idiots.

A slight tap on the head vs. what was played in the video isn't the same thing. I have since then reformed my ways of correction Amelia to verbal cues. A slight tap on the head to correct a unwanted behavior vs. slapping, hitting, and slamming a cat against the walls and floor of your bathroom for your own sick, twisted amusement isn't the same thing Smunkee, and I'm surprised you're comparing me to these two idiots.

Hitting a cat is abuse. It's a freaking cat dude, they don't understand why you're hitting them. You can try to rationalize all you want, but you hit a defenseless animal and then lied about it when it was convenient for you. Go do your righteous fury rant elsewhere, nobody is interested in hearing this from you.

How is it over the top? I think the outburst of rage and anger is right and just. I honestly believe that the kid should be humiliated online and in person for what he has done. Animals cannot defend themselves against idiots, so the rest of us need to stand up for them. Since they are juveniles, they'll get a slap on the wrist, no real jail time, and no real punishment to speak of. They'll get "community services" and a "stern lecture". They'll roll their eyes and say "Yea, ok we won't do it anymore." The only thing that'll change is that they won't film it next time and put it on the 'net where people can watch it and report it.

Happy slapping, now generally happy raping/murder, is still quite the popular trend among the youth of UK and fast spreading. And people of course, still argue that as minors, they should be protected against serious punishments or some rubbish like that, which obviously doesn't work.

I've never liked laws that treated people as special cases exempt from punishment for crimes simply because they are young. In either case, if assault, rape and murder of human beings are so easily let off for reasons of age, good luck getting anything harsher for animal abuse.

Hitting a cat is abuse. It's a freaking cat dude, they don't understand why you're hitting them. You can try to rationalize all you want, but you hit a defenseless animal and then lied about it when it was convenient for you. Go do your righteous fury rant elsewhere, nobody is interested in hearing this from you.

Well Smunkee if you want to report me for abuse, go ahead, I am more than willing to provide you the number to my local sheriff office. As my dad always said, either put up, or shut up. Since you seem to see me as an animal abuser, then you'll have no problem reporting me to my local authorities, right?

Well Smunkee if you want to report me for abuse, go ahead, I am more than willing to provide you the number to my local sheriff office. As my dad always said, either put up, or shut up. Since you seem to see me as an animal abuser, then you'll have no problem reporting me to my local authorities, right?

Since you have such a heart for animals and believe animal abusers are potential serial killers and that they should go to jail forever and ever and be really really punished hard.......I would assume you would report yourself, you know as a libertarian and all, why wait for someone else to do your work for you?

EDIT: As is yours. Seriously, lock two 14 year old kids up for the rest of their lives over a fucking cat?

It's displaying a desire to be cruel toward a living animal, taking pride in hurting something just because they can.
And there's a strong difference between punching a person and abusing a cat like that, such as the person can fight back. When you abuse a small animal like that all you're saying to the world is "I'm a dick, I'm proud I'm a dick, and I plan on being a dick the rest of my life and so long as I live I'll do everything I can to cause as much harm as I can."

Since you have such a heart for animals and believe animal abusers are potential serial killers and that they should go to jail forever and ever and be really really punished hard.......I would assume you would report yourself, you know as a libertarian and all, why wait for someone else to do your work for you?

Because I do not see myself as an abuser. A poor way to correct one's cat behavior does not equal abuse. It just equal poor cat raising on part of the owner. So since you seem to see me as an abuser, on the same level as these two idiots, then it should be your legal and moral obligation to report me. I mean after all, I am a lying abuser, so how can you sleep knowing that I am abusing my cat?

Check your t'gram for my information and the number to the local sheriff office.

So you either do see me as an abuser, or you don't. However, I really am curious, have you even seen the video of Dusty's abuse? Do you really believe that I am on the same level as Kenny Glenn, if so, then you have my information, you know what to do.

Since you have such a heart for animals and believe animal abusers are potential serial killers and that they should go to jail forever and ever and be really really punished hard.......I would assume you would report yourself, you know as a libertarian and all, why wait for someone else to do your work for you?

fucking owned.

Because I do not see myself as an abuser.

Abusers never do. You know what is also pretty common for abusers? They start with denials

I have never raised a hand against Amelia

but when confronted with proof of their abuse, revert to justifications and rationalizations

A slight tap on the head to correct a unwanted behavior

Abusers never do.

Yes because one or two slight taps on the head equals abuse. :rolleyes:

Nevermind the fact that Amelia is fed for, watered, has clean litter, and she is played with and cared for (and that does include petting her and loving up on her) on a daily basis by me.

Hey Neo, if you want the number to my local sheriff office, then I'm more than happy to give it to you along with my personal information. If you feel that I truly am an abuser, that I should face trial and have Amelia taken away from me, then as a lawyer, you at least have a legal right to call the authorities on me.

Since you have such a heart for animals and believe animal abusers are potential serial killers and that they should go to jail forever and ever and be really really punished hard.......I would assume you would report yourself, you know as a libertarian and all, why wait for someone else to do your work for you?

I didn't watch the video but I don't really need to. Animal Abuse in the United States is a criminal offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison and something like 100,000 dollars in fines. It's really not looked well upon here and I have to say I agree. Hunting a deer is not the same as torturing the same deer. A single shot through its brain(if you're that good), is concidered humane, while shooting each of the same dears legs off before you kill it...(shudder) isnt. The 2 boys should be prosecuted to the full extent the law allows.

Also torturing animals that can't defend themselves such as rats, cats, and dogs, Is usually an early indicator of psycosis. They don't understand they are causing pain to something they only see their fun times. Definition of sociopath that most psycologists prefer...

"Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others."

very fitting so far.

Nevermind the fact that Amelia is fed for, watered, has clean litter, and she is played with and cared for (and that does include petting her and loving up on her) on a daily basis by me.

As I said, first come the denials, then come the justifications. Finally, when all that fails, it becomes "the bitch is LUCKY to have me"

The sad part is you're following an INCREDIBLY classic pattern.

Like, dead on fucking accurate.

As I said, first come the denials, then come the justifications. Finally, when all that fails, it becomes "the bitch is LUCKY to have me"

The sad part is you're following an INCREDIBLY classic pattern.

Like, dead on fucking accurate.

So, would you like my information so that you can report me to the proper authorities?

So, would you like my information so that you can report me to the proper authorities?

just so you could set up one of your perceived "enemies" that you rail on about in your typical paranoid fashion?

No thanks.

but when confronted with proof of their abuse, revert to justifications and rationalizations

oh shut up. Everyone knows there is a difference between abuse and training, even the animal. When your dog craps on your rug what do you do?
you rub his nose in it and wack his nose with a rolled up news paper, not enough to hurt, but enough to send a message. Thats training


now taking the dog and kicking the living shit out of it? thats abuse

As I said, first come the denials, then come the justifications. Finally, when all that fails, it becomes "the bitch is LUCKY to have me"

The sad part is you're following an INCREDIBLY classic pattern.

Like, dead on fucking accurate.


and the real sad part is your following the classic patern of being a moron,

like, dead on fucking accurate

You people must really dislike each other for this thread to be full of such nonsense.

Anyway, seeing people abuse animals bothers me greatly precisely because of the control and authority we have over them. It really shows the true heart of a person by how they treat their inferiors/those under their power. I wouldn't say they deserve prison for life or anything that severe but they do deserve a solid punishment. I would definitely say a lot of community service and some sort of abuse/anger program.

just so you could set up one of your perceived "enemies" that you rail on about in your typical paranoid fashion?

No thanks.

Please, I already consider you an enemy, a very annoying enemy. However, if you aren't willing to actually call the authorities, then all you're doing is grand standing. Like my dad use to say, either put up or shut up. Either you think I am abusing Amelia, or you don't You either accept my offer of my personal information and the number to my local sheriff office so that you can report me for animal abuse, or you don't and you don't think I am an abuser.

Which one is it Neo?

Please, I already consider you an enemy, a very annoying enemy. However, if you aren't willing to actually call the authorities, then all you're doing is grand standing. Like my dad use to say, either put up or shut up. Either you think I am abusing Amelia, or you don't You either accept my offer of my personal information and the number to my local sheriff office so that you can report me for animal abuse, or you don't and you don't think I am an abuser.

Which one is it Neo?

as I said, I'm not going to make it easy on you to enact one of your typical "revenge" fantasies about whoever it is marked your ire by doing things like...talking to his girlfriend, or whatever.

I also don't have sufficient information to determine one way or the other, thus police are likely not going to have sufficient probable cause to investigate any infraction by "well he said so on the internet". Frankly you could be an abuser. You could not be an abuser. I don't have sufficient evidence one way or the other.

I do have sufficient evidence to determine, as quite aptly demonstrated, that you are, however, a liar.

And if you find me, someone you've never met, spoken to, or interacted with in any meaningful fashion, your "enemy", then I fear that's just as evident of underlying pathology as any animal abuse.

I believe it's called "paranoid personality disorder"

A slight tap on the head vs. what was played in the video isn't the same thing.

I love how your original words "slapped" becomes "slight tap" in the revision version.


I have since then reformed my ways of correction Amelia to verbal cues.

Reformed? Oh, but I thought there was nothing wrong with it? Which is it?


A slight tap on the head to correct a unwanted behavior vs. slapping, hitting, and slamming a cat against the walls and floor of your bathroom for your own sick, twisted amusement isn't the same thing Smunkee, and I'm surprised you're comparing me to these two idiots.

Obviously. These two idiots deserve to be locked up and have something done to them by the population of the prison, whereas others get the chance for "reform".

But its okay. Just rephrase "slap" into "slight tap", and point out how good you take care of her, and how its to correct behaviour, for their own good, in fact, and then its not abuse!

Wilgrove i have a simple solution, take the kid and put him in the opposite role, put him in the bath room with the sheriff, and the sheriff can beat him within an inch of his life. He can see how he likes it.

Please, I already consider you an enemy, a very annoying enemy. However, if you aren't willing to actually call the authorities, then all you're doing is grand standing. Like my dad use to say, either put up or shut up. Either you think I am abusing Amelia, or you don't You either accept my offer of my personal information and the number to my local sheriff office so that you can report me for animal abuse, or you don't and you don't think I am an abuser.

Which one is it Neo?

Maybe Neo actually has enough grasp of the law to know when merely illustrating your hypocrisy is a more feasible response than a complaint where you'll simply revise "slap" into "slight tap".

Of course, he might also know the law well enough to know that advocating that two young boys being put into a place where the "general population" of the prison will do things that will only make the boys MORE abusive is a grotesquely maladjusted proposal.

as I said, I'm not going to make it easy on you to enact one of your typical "revenge" fantasies about whoever it is marked your ire by doing things like...talking to his girlfriend, or whatever.

So, either you're really afraid of my "revenge" fantasies, or you simply don't see me as an actual animal abuser, and are simply grandstanding.

Maybe Neo actually has enough grasp of the law to know when merely illustrating your hypocrisy is a more feasible response than a complaint where you'll simply revise "slap" into "slight tap".

Of course, he might also know the law well enough to know that advocating that two young boys being put into a place where the "general population" of the prison will do things that will only make the boys MORE abusive is a grotesquely maladjusted proposal.

Hey, if Smunkee and Neo actually believe that I am an animal abuser, then they'd be calling my local sheriff office right now. Since Neo refuse to accept my offer, and so far no Sheriff patrol car has driven up my driveway, then they must not really think that. It really is that simple I'm afraid. I'm either breaking the law, or I'm not.

Soooo.....Two guys beat the shit out of cat + Wilgrove slapping a cat for breaking his cellphone + Wild Interwebs = Thread?


NSG be a strange place indeed, lol...

So, either you're really afraid of my "revenge" fantasies,

Of course, because the only reason not to play into somebody's drama rant is because you're really afraid of them, right? No possible other reasons...


or you simply don't see me as an actual animal abuser, and are simply grandstanding.

Or he could be illustrating that you lied by saying this:

When have I ever said that I hit my own cat? I have never raised a hand against Amelia or her predecessor Sara Smunkee. I think you have me confused with someone else.

When you had previously admitted this:

A few nights ago, she chewed up my cell phone charger (after one day of owning it) so I punished her by showing her the damaged charger and slapping her on the head. Now whenever I raise my hand to pet her, she seems to hiss at my hand.

Soooo.....Two guys beat the shit out of cat + Wilgrove slapping a cat for breaking his cellphone + Wild Interwebs = Thread?


NSG be a strange place indeed, lol...

yeah this thread deteriorated into massive flaming

Hey, if Smunkee and Neo actually believe that I am an animal abuser, then they'd be calling my local sheriff office right now.
Since Neo refuse to accept my offer, and so far no Sheriff patrol car has driven up my driveway, then they must not really think that. It really is that simple I'm afraid. I'm either breaking the law, or I'm not.

The fact that you think its so simple is definitively simplistic.

There are many cases when people have reason to believe something has happened, but where it is is unfeasible to report or prosecute it. There are many instances where even law enforcement has indications of unlawful activity, but for various very NON-simple reasons, they can't pursue investigation.

I really wish things were as simple as someone like you tries to make them. It would shorten my education in criminal prosecution by years, at least.

Since Neo refuse to accept my offer, and so far no Sheriff patrol car has driven up my driveway, then they must not really think that. It really is that simple I'm afraid. I'm either breaking the law, or I'm not.

Or, as I quite clearly said, my own personal opinion is irrelevant, because I know that to launch an investigation, police need this thing called "articulable suspicion" which "this guy on the internet said this, and then he told me who is is"...ain't it.

It's one of those things they teach us in lawyer school

yeah this thread deteriorated into massive flaming

To be fair, the thread did start as a rant/flame towards a particular users's post...

So, maybe its just the logical conclusion, lol...

Or, as I quite clearly said, my own personal opinion is irrelevant, because I know that to launch an investigation, police need this thing called "articulable suspicion" which "this guy on the internet said this, and then he told me who is is"...ain't it.

It's one of those things they teach us in lawyer school

So, may I take it then that to be "articulable", as a term of art, the suspicions don't have to be spelled correctly?

I guess it depends on what the spelling of "is" is...

I also don't have sufficient information to determine one way or the other, thus police are likely not going to have sufficient probable cause to investigate any infraction by "well he said so on the internet". Frankly you could be an abuser. You could not be an abuser. I don't have sufficient evidence one way or the other.

So you admit you don't really know that I am an abuser, and yet Smunkee has labeled me as an abuser, and you jumped up on her bandwagon. I'm curious,. did you jump up with her because you really thought I am an abuser, or did you do it because you simply saw my screen name? It's amusing how quickly we go from "You're an abuser" to "You could be an abuser, or you couldn't be."

I do have sufficient evidence to determine, as quite aptly demonstrated, that you are, however, a liar.

I'm sorry I don't remember every post and thread I have made.

And if you find me, someone you've never met, spoken to, or interacted with in any meaningful fashion, your "enemy", then I fear that's just as evident of underlying pathology as any animal abuse.

I was simply trying to put your mind at ease about being a part of my "revenge" plot or whatever you want to call it. See, when people like you grand stand, all I have to do is provide you with the information to do what you should do, which is report me to the local authorities, and you'll either do it, or don't. If you do believe in what you say, then you will act on it, and you actually do believe that. However, if you don't then, do you really believe it? Or are you just simply grand standing?

I believe it's called "paranoid personality disorder"

Yea, I believe that Elvis is spying on me and the CIA have bugs in my house. You need a better grasp on Abnormal Psych my dear Neo.

Those little shits should be punished, hard. I don't they'd make it as serial killers, though, since they put their crime up on the internet. Dumb little fucks. They should be beaten.

Those little shits should be punished, hard. I don't they'd make it as serial killers, though, since they put their crime up on the internet. Dumb little fucks. They should be beaten.

Before you make such a claim, make sure youve never disciplined an Animal in your lifetime...

the Lawyer team of Neo and Smunkee may have cause to sue you, :p

Before you make such a claim, make sure youve never disciplined an Animal in your lifetime...

the Lawyer team of Neo and Smunkee may have cause to sue you, :p

lol! Sigged!

Also, you win Slice of Cheesecake.

I'm sorry I don't remember every post and thread I have made.

Honest people don't really need good memories. If you just tell the truth every time, it won't conflict with anything you've said previously, whether you remember it or not.


I was simply trying to put your mind at ease about being a part of my "revenge" plot or whatever you want to call it. See, when people like you grand stand, all I have to do is provide you with the information to do what you should do, which is report me to the local authorities, and you'll either do it, or don't. If you do believe in what you say, then you will act on it, and you actually do believe that. However, if you don't then, do you really believe it? Or are you just simply grand standing?

Quite the false dichotomy you've got going there. There are dozens of reasons, including a clear and governing legal doctrine that Neo Art already explained, as to why he might really have concerns about you but still not report you.

"Some guy admitting he slapped his cat on the internet" is grounds to have a personal opinion about you, but doesn't meet the very different legal standard of a criminal investigation.

Especially when the witness to the abuse doesn't have a lot of credibility....


Yea, I believe that Elvis is spying on me and the CIA have bugs in my house. You need a better grasp on Abnormal Psych my dear Neo.

Actually, your denial/rationalization/justification pattern was pretty formulaic...that doesn't prove anything by itself, but it is kind of funny how precisely you're responses fit the pattern.

lol! Sigged!

Also, you win Slice of Cheesecake.

Hmmmm...What Kind of Cheesecake? lol...

So you admit you don't really know that I am an abuser, and yet Smunkee has labeled me as an abuser, and you jumped up on her bandwagon. I'm curious,. did you jump up with her because you really thought I am an abuser, or did you do it because you simply saw my screen name? It's amusing how quickly we go from "You're an abuser" to "You could be an abuser, or you couldn't be."

I never called you an abuser. I called you a liar. And a hypocrite.

OK, I didn't CALL you a hypocrite, I just THOUGHT that.

But now I'm calling you one.


I was simply trying to put your mind at ease about being a part of my "revenge" plot or whatever you want to call it.

I had no illusions of being part of your paranoid delusions of "enemies". I, however, wouldn't put it passed you to give me the name and address of whatever person you feel deeply, deeply wronged you this week by, I dunno, looking like he might be a pedophile.


See, when people like you grand stand, all I have to do is provide you with the information to do what you should do, which is report me to the local authorities, and you'll either do it, or don't. If you do believe in what you say, then you will act on it, and you actually do believe that. However, if you don't then, do you really believe it? Or are you just simply grand standing?


yeah, you REALLY showed me up. I'm so embarrassed. I can never show my virtual face around here again.

Yea, I believe that Elvis is spying on me and the CIA have bugs in my house. You need a better grasp on Abnormal Psych my dear Neo.

Trust me Wil, I need no expertise in abnormal psych to see this diagnosis a mile away.

oh shut up. Everyone knows there is a difference between abuse and training, even the animal. When your dog craps on your rug what do you do?
you rub his nose in it and wack his nose with a rolled up news paper, not enough to hurt, but enough to send a message. Thats training
That's also ineffective, as any trainer will tell you.

I never called you an abuser. I called you a liar. And a hypocrite.

OK, I didn't CALL you a hypocrite, I just THOUGHT that.

But now I'm calling you one.

Well, I hope you never had a dog, and I hope you never corrected him with a roll of newspaper Neo. It would be a shame if we found out how you discipline your animals.

I had no illusions of being part of your paranoid delusions of "enemies". I, however, wouldn't put it passed you to give me the name and address of whatever person you feel deeply, deeply wronged you this week by, I dunno, looking like he might be a pedophile.

Please, why would I do that? I have better ways of "revenge" then that. I really was willing to give you my real name, address, and the number to my local sheriff office. Not my fault you are paranoid.

yeah, you REALLY showed me up. I'm so embarrassed. I can never show my virtual face around here again.

Nah, I just showed that you like to come here, act like the big bad wolf, but when it comes to acting on what you preach, you, like the wolf, is just full of hot air. But don't worry, I'm sure by tomorrow you'll be back to your normal self.

Trust me Wil, I need no expertise in abnormal psych to see this diagnosis a mile away.

and yet...I fit none of the criteria for Paranoid Personality Disorder.

Paranoid personality disorder is listed in the DSM-IV-TR as 301.00 Paranoid Personality Disorder.

According to the DSM-IV-TR, this disorder is characterized by a pervasive distrust and suspicion of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
* Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
* Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
* Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
* Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
* Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
* Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

The traits, behaviors and characteristics

* Do not occur exclusively during the course of a mood disorder accompanied by psychotic features nor other psychotic disorders.
* Are not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder)

If you're going to play the psychology game, at least pick up the DSM-IV if nothing else.

Actually, your denial/rationalization/justification pattern was pretty formulaic...that doesn't prove anything by itself, but it is kind of funny how precisely you're responses fit the pattern.Grammar, learn it, goddammit. Especially if you're right.

That's also ineffective, as any trainer will tell you.

It is ineffective...

But, for the sake of discussion, would we call the people who do it, abusers?

I mean, that is alot of dog owners...

Please, I already consider you an enemy, a very annoying enemy. However, if you aren't willing to actually call the authorities, then all you're doing is grand standing. Like my dad use to say, either put up or shut up. Either you think I am abusing Amelia, or you don't You either accept my offer of my personal information and the number to my local sheriff office so that you can report me for animal abuse, or you don't and you don't think I am an abuser.

Which one is it Neo?
Or he thinks you're an abuser and can't be arsed to go through with the farce of making what turns out to be a false police report, which is a crime.

Because everyone tells the truth on the internet.

His not wishing to put his neck in a noose doesn't mean he thinks you're innocent.

That's also ineffective, as any trainer will tell you.

Which is why I now correct her with a verbal cue. I make a sound like a chainsaw when I catch her doing something she isn't supposed to do. When she hears it, she stops her bad behavior. I don't even have to do that now, Hell now when I catch her, she just looks at me like a kid that just got caught with her paw in the cookie jar and runs off.

Or he thinks you're an abuser and can't be arsed to go through with the farce of making what turns out to be a false police report, which is a crime.

Because everyone tells the truth on the internet.

His not wishing to put his neck in a noose doesn't mean he thinks you're innocent.

So if it has a chance of being a farced, and he really is worried about creating a false police report, then there is reasonable doubt in my treatment of my cat. Which means no one can really call me an abuser. I will say this once again, a poor way to correct a cat's behavior, an abuse it doesn't make.

yeah this thread deteriorated into massive flaming
If you think this is massive flaming you must come from some VERY sheltered forums.

and yet...I fit none of the criteria for Paranoid Personality Disorder.



* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
* Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
* Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
* Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
* Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
* Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
* Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

Um. That, um, kinda sounds....remarkably like you, actually.

Grammar, learn it, goddammit. Especially if you're right.

Theirs nothing wronged about the affectiveness of my grammatication. People should mind there own busyness.

Um. That, um, kinda sounds....remarkably like you, actually.

it...actually really fucking does. I mean between the "you're my enemy", "if your girlfriend uses a sex toy, she's not satisfied", "I think her boyfriend might be a rapist"...I mean...it...it um...it looks...pretty fucking accurate.

Um. That, um, kinda sounds....remarkably like you, actually.

That sounds alot like, the majority of Humans on Earth at some point or another...

So if it has a chance of being a farced, and he really is worried about creating a false police report, then there is reasonable doubt in my treatment of my cat. Which means no one can really call me an abuser. I will say this once again, a poor way to correct a cat's behavior, an abuse it doesn't make.

He never said abuse, he said liar, which Smunkee had already proven.

And since the only witness we have that described you as hitting your cat isn't very credible (although could sometimes be telling the truth), a report isn't likely called for at this time.

Theirs nothing wronged about the affectiveness of my grammatication. People should mind there own busyness.*deep breaths* I am not an English teacher, and I am not going to tell people that their grammar sucks when my does so at points in time as well. I am not an English teacher. *continues semi-prayer/thing*

Um. That, um, kinda sounds....remarkably like you, actually.

Yea, well first off, I find it laughable that anyone can diagnose a PPD over the internet, but I'll play along with this game, because it does amuse me.

* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her.

I do have a general distrust of people, but I don't believe that they are harming me, or deceiving me in any way, the same goes for exploiting.

* Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates.

I actually do have a close circle of friends and family that I do trust. I don't have doubts about their loyalty or trustworthiness.

* Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her.

Yea, that's why I have an internet blog, with a link posted on a forum where everyone can access it. That's why I make bloggy post, yea, ok.

* Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.

Eh, somewhat like me, but not completely. I will admit, I do read too much into things sometimes.

* Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights

Actually I tend to let grudges go after awhile, they take up too much time and energy.

* Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack.

Eh I think the attacks on me, at least here are pretty apparent, and I don't see anything wrong with a counter argument.

* Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

Jeez, make one post stating that online relationship takes a Hell alot of trust because infidelity is more likely, and I have PPD, great.

Now if we want to find a Personality Disorder that fits me, Schizoid personality disorder is a better fit.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder)

Ok, as a late Christmas Present, I am buying all of NSG a copy of the DSM-IV. Study it, love it, live it.

yeah this thread deteriorated into massive flaming

To which you contributed:

and the real sad part is your following the classic patern of being a moron,


Warned.

I had no illusions of being part of your paranoid delusions of "enemies" ... Trust me Wil, I need no expertise in abnormal psych to see this diagnosis a mile away.

as I said, I'm not going to make it easy on you to enact one of your typical "revenge" fantasies about whoever it is marked your ire by doing things like...talking to his girlfriend, or whatever ...

And if you find me, someone you've never met, spoken to, or interacted with in any meaningful fashion, your "enemy", then I fear that's just as evident of underlying pathology as any animal abuse.

I believe it's called "paranoid personality disorder"

Neo Art, dancing around a direct personal insult may free you of the accusation of flaming.

It doesn't get you off "flamebait", though. Warned.


Especially when the witness to the abuse doesn't have a lot of credibility....

Actually, your denial/rationalization/justification pattern was pretty formulaic...that doesn't prove anything by itself, but it is kind of funny how precisely you're responses fit the pattern.

Sgt Toomey, jump off the "bait Wilgrove" bandwagon and in future keep your head well below the parapet.

Wilgrove, drop it.

Ardchoille or any other Mod, can you please lock this thread? Thank you very much.

But hey, you think these don't apply? not even one? Hell, let's just take a look, here's just a fun little sampling:

* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her

* Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates

"I'm starting to worry that if he can't handle "No" now, what's going to happen if he gets frustrated and mad and decide to "take what his" from her, IE Rape."

* Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her

"I don't like having things turn back around onto me, only one person can do that without it annoying me."

"We broke up because of her cousin telling her lies"

* Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
* Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights

"and we would've gotten back together if I haven't blocked her out and be a vindictive asshole. "

* Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack

"I do have stress problems, and to an extent, anger problems, but I had a way of dealing with it until you guys crapped all over it. Look, I can't just sit there and smile like a frickin' idiot when I'm getting shit splattered on my face, I can't let things roll off my back, and I can't hold it in. Because honest to God, if I hold it in, and if I go day in, and day out smiling like nothing is wrong, while inside I feel like screaming, yelling, and smashing stuff up. Well, after awhile, I'm going to snap, and when I snap, I snap in a big way."

* Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

"Yes, I mean think about it, if she has a boyfriend, but still uses a dildo, then obviously the guy isn't satisfying her sexual needs, which is really an insult to the boyfriend. "

Nah, doesn't sound like you at ALL.

Ard, my post was being written as yours came in.

Yes, I figured that, otherwise you'd still be spinning.