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Four Tennessee legislators want Obama to prove citizenship

By Theo Emery
THE TENNESSEAN

Several Tennessee lawmakers have signed on to a legal action intended to force President Barack Obama to turn over his birth certificate and other documents to prove his citizenship, an effort rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court in an earlier case.

Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Niceley have all agreed to be plaintiffs in a planned legal action by a Russian immigrant in California who has challenged whether Obama meets constitutional criteria to be president.

The lawsuit from the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, which has not been filed, will be among several court challenges to Obama's citizenship.

One of the cases reached the U.S. Supreme Court late last year, and the court declined without comment to take it up, a move many interpreted as meaning the issue was dead.

The campaign posted a copy of his certificate on a page intended to counter rumors about Obama.

Swafford's letter states "I agree to be one of the plaintiff's in a legal action filed by Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire for a Writ of Mandamus to obtain birth certificate, immigration records, passports and other vital records for Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama."

The letter from the Pikeville Republican is written on the letterhead of the House of Representatives.

Niceley, Campfield and Casada, who are also Republicans, confirmed that they have agreed to be plaintiffs.

Casada, the House Republican caucus chairman, said that he believes that Obama does have a U.S. birth certificate, and should make it widely available.

"Let's just put this to bed. Yes, people may say, you're just chasing some conspiracy theory," he said. "It's a simple act on his part to just do, and we're done — move on."

Democratic lawmakers ridiculed the action Thursday at a weekly press conference, with one lawmaker asking, "Who's Eric Swafford?" and another answering, "He's from Mars."

The news of the lawsuit later provoked ribbing around the Capitol, with one legislative staffer approaching a lawmaker and demanding to see his birth certificate.

Read more at the Tennessean's political blog http://data.tennessean.com/politics
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090213/NEWS02/902130368

Worlds fail me, though my head hurts... a lot.

If he's got nothing to hide, he's got nothing to worry about. I say whip it out, and if you prove them wrong, I don't know, maybe countersue for defamation of character or something, I don't know.

If he's got nothing to hide, he's got nothing to worry about. I say whip it out, and if you prove them wrong, I don't know, maybe countersue for defamation of character or something, I don't know.
And how many times does he need to do this given that it was already posted?

I just completely and utterly fail to get all this hype... Why do some USAmericans get so upset about someone getting elected who is politically hardly any different from the previous guy, but has a bit of a better grasp on the English language?
Seriously?
Can someone please explain that to me?

I just completely and utterly fail to get all this hype... Why do some USAmericans get so upset about someone getting elected who is politically hardly any different from the previous guy, but has a bit of a better grasp on the English language?
Seriously?
Can someone please explain that to me?

He's black. At least almost black.

And how many times does he need to do this given that it was already posted?

To be fair, NERVUN, it is relatively easy to forge a document on the net. The relatively low resolution hides imperfections in the forgery.

But let's be honest here people: does ANYBODY think the Dept. of Immigration wouldn't have quietly run a background check on the man when these rumours first surfaced? Or that the state of Hawaii and others that Obama registered as a candidate in didn't require proof of citizenship and eligibility for the office? This is a waste of time and money.

To be fair, NERVUN, it is relatively easy to forge a document on the net. The relatively low resolution hides imperfections in the forgery.
Which might be the case, except, well: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html (with statements from the Director of Hawaii's Department of Health saying she has examined it) and http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp .

This is a waste of time and money.
Exactly.

If he's got nothing to hide, he's got nothing to worry about. I say whip it out, and if you prove them wrong, I don't know, maybe countersue for defamation of character or something, I don't know.

Lol, I agree with your first part. As for the second, it's part of the job, makeing absolutely sure of a president's citizenship should be considered fairly standard.

http://www.biography.com/featured-biography/barack-obama/index.jsp
born, Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/modern/hawaii_1
August 21, 1959, Hawaii was admitted to the union as our 50th state.

Even if that were not the case, United States annexed Hawaii and it became a U.S. territory in 1900. Which would have put Obama in the same position as McCain had been, and Republicans (and Constitutional scholars) apparently didn't have a problem with someone born in the Panama Canal Zone (then a territory) running for President.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Birthright-citizenship-in-the-United-States-of-America

Under the currently accepted reading of the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of birthright citizenship, any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is now automatically a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status or the citizenship of that individual’s mother or father. American Indian tribal members are not covered by the constitutional guarantee, but they were granted citizenship by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. Children born to foreign diplomats or to hostile enemy forces or born on U.S. territory while it is under the control of a foreign power are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and therefore are not citizens at birth. Throughout much of the history of the United States, the fundamental legal principle governing citizenship has been that birth within the territorial limits of the United States confers United States citizenship.[1]

You need only be born in the US or its territories to be a US citizen, and NOT renounce your citizenship. All this bullshit about his not being a citizen because his father was Kenyan is exactly that -- bullshit.

He's black. At least almost black.

Psh, Harvard Law Degree? He's not black! :tongue:

To be fair, NERVUN, it is relatively easy to forge a document on the net. The relatively low resolution hides imperfections in the forgery.

But let's be honest here people: does ANYBODY think the Dept. of Immigration wouldn't have quietly run a background check on the man when these rumours first surfaced? Or that the state of Hawaii and others that Obama registered as a candidate in didn't require proof of citizenship and eligibility for the office? This is a waste of time and money.

It's a hard issue. Obama is an extremely popular guy, and Bush is only slightly less popular (just slightly...). The problem is that I could see some people feeling that proper citizenship isn't quite as important as "Change" and "Hope" and "Prosperity" and other such buzz words.

My deal is, if he has adequately proven in it (online documents would not actually sate me though, not for The Office of the President of the United States of America) if he's proven it, great, drop it, if not, why hasn't this controversy forced either the document, or forgery out earlier? Basically, whatever, but if it remains in doubt, he needs to prove it. After that, pass a law where people who try to claim he's foreign born get to be slapped or something.

It's a hard issue. Obama is an extremely popular guy, and Bush is only slightly less popular (just slightly...).

This is where you admit to being on hallucinogens and that everything you have to say shouldn't be taken seriously. It's only polite to let others know when you're stoned.

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Not that I disagree with you, which I don't. I think that what the people want is a birth certificate, you know how people don't trust dem internetz.

This is where you admit to being on hallucinogens and that everything you have to say shouldn't be taken seriously. It's only polite to let others know when you're stoned.

lol, I thought that the sarcasm was detectable, my apologies.

I love how conspiracy theorists were 'smart' enough to note there was no seal, not smart enough to know it's on the back.

Some people won't believe anything no matter the evidence, they're coming from the assumption that he is not a citizen, therefore any evidence is, by default, suspect.

It reminds me of something, assumption first, deal with evidence later.

No, what they want is to say that the birth certificate already produced is NOT a birth certificate, is NOT good enough, and that Barack Obama is actually and in fact an alien fungus from Alpha Centauri. Anything to wake up from their nightmare that a DEMOCRAT and a BLACK happen to be president -- and not a Real American(tm). But all these things have been answered repeatedly:

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html


Seriously. But man oh man, John McCain is a real American, born in the Panama Canal Zone! Because that's US soil and Hawaii isn't.

No, what they want is to say that the birth certificate already produced is NOT a birth certificate, is NOT good enough, and that Barack Obama is actually and in fact an alien fungus from Alpha Centauri.

Seriously. But man oh man, John McCain is a real American, born in the Panama Canal Zone!

Well, I don't know if I want alien fungi ruling the free world!

Well, I don't know if I want alien fungi ruling the free world!

Stop being spacist! :p

We all know he's from Mordor, anyway. In all seriousness, how could he have done all of this without anybody checking his citizenship status? He's American, but whether he's a Real American™ remains to be seen.

Look, I get it, it is a little hard to swallow that Barack Hussein Obama, born in Hawaii, to a Kenyan father, and spending much of his childhood in Indonesia is an American, but you elected him knowing that much.

But just one thing? Wouldn't he have had to supply a birth certificate to register to run?

Why they didn't question Bush his American citizenship?

Why they didn't question Bush his American citizenship?

I always suspected his complete lack of understanding of basic English was routed in him being a Mexican temp the GOP picked up so they could get Dick Cheney elected

No, what they want is to say that the birth certificate already produced is NOT a birth certificate, is NOT good enough, and that Barack Obama is actually and in fact an alien fungus from Alpha Centauri.

Oooh - let us start the ascent to transcendence !

And what shall Obama ask of them ? Proof that they are not childmolesters or never abused their power ?

And how many times does he need to do this given that it was already posted?

until someone can swap it with a forgery that says Kenya.

I just completely and utterly fail to get all this hype... Why do some USAmericans get so upset about someone getting elected who is politically hardly any different from the previous guy, but has a bit of a better grasp on the English language?
Seriously?
Can someone please explain that to me?

I know its trendy to be all bitter about WHERE IS THE CHANGE?:eek:, but please. Obama is not politically just like Bush. Granted, Obama may have compromised too much lately, and he hasn't really done much yet, but this just stupid.

I know its trendy to be all bitter about WHERE IS THE CHANGE?:eek:, but please. Obama is not politically just like Bush. Granted, Obama may have compromised too much lately, and he hasn't really done much yet, but this just stupid.

In most western countries the political spectrum is vastly wider than that in the USA. Viewed on that scale, Republicans and Dems are practically identical.

I know its trendy to be all bitter about WHERE IS THE CHANGE?:eek:, but please. Obama is not politically just like Bush. Granted, Obama may have compromised too much lately, and he hasn't really done much yet, but this just stupid.

Even his 'change' mantra is not new. Eisenhower used it earlier.

That claim's as ridiculous as claiming that those four tennesseans are pro-CSA traitors.

That claim's as ridiculous as claiming that those four tennesseans are pro-CSA traitors.
Wait, what?
They're time travelers from the 1860s? I KNEW IT!
JEFFERSON DAVIS IS NOT *MY* PRESIDENT!

Still busy with Obama isn't an American eh?

Excellent... Now quick, lets pass a load of far left bills when they're distracted.

Seems simple enough. Have Obama prove his US citizenship, then impeach all four of these fuckers for wasting taxpayer money while our economy is completely decimated.

Still busy with Obama isn't an American eh?

Excellent... Now quick, lets pass a load of far left bills when they're distracted.
Is that better or worse than, "Let's start a two front war and while the people are distracted, remove Constitutionally protected rights and let big business ruin the country and the world's economy?"

Just asking.

Is that better or worse than, "Let's start a two front war and while the people are distracted, remove Constitutionally protected rights and let big business ruin the country and the world's economy?"

Just asking.

What are you, some kind of muslim terrorist?

edit: hehe, palindrome post

Is that better or worse than, "Let's start a two front war and while the people are distracted, remove Constitutionally protected rights and let big business ruin the country and the world's economy?"

Just asking.

Better, because it actually punishes the people who caused the distraction in the first place.

Oops - I meant "why do you hate freedom" ;)

What are you, some kind of muslim terrorist?

edit: hehe, palindrome post

Better, because it actually punishes the people who caused the distraction in the first place.

Oops - I meant "why do you hate freedom" ;)

Well, I figured as long as we're making wild accusations, I should too, no?

how would any of us PROVE our citizenship if our birth certificate isnt enough?

im 51, no one who was there at my birth is still working now. they may all be dead. perhaps my mother snuck off to canada to give birth in st. stephens NB and lied about it afterwards to everyone. maybe her baby died and she bought another off the street and raise it (me) as her own.

good thing im not running for president.

WAAAAAAAAH!!! America hates us, our party, and everything we stand for!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!! We need attention!!!!!

I hereby propose a bill requiring mandatory 8:00 bedtimes for Republican Congressmen, and no soda unless they've had a glass of milk first.

Also, we need to start requiring that they use the buddy system when they go to the lavatory, since they seem to be strongly inclined to get into trouble in there.

Not that I disagree with you, which I don't. I think that what the people want is a birth certificate, you know how people don't trust dem internetz.
You posted this at the end of series of posts in which you suggested Obama provide his actual birth certificate and other people told you that he had done exactly that -- not just a certified original of his birth certificate but also a statement from an official of the government of Hawaii that it was authentic. And you kept suggesting he should provide a real one, not one off the internet.

Are you from Tennessee, by any chance?

This is the reason we can't get past this bullshit. People just do not pay attention.

WAAAAAAAAH!!! America hates us, our party, and everything we stand for!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!! We need attention!!!!!

I hereby propose a bill requiring mandatory 8:00 bedtimes for Republican Congressmen, and no soda unless they've had a glass of milk first.

Also, we need to start requiring that they use the buddy system when they go to the lavatory, since they seem to be strongly inclined to get into trouble in there.
I endorse this plan, except that I insist there also be chaperones for the lavatory buddies.

That claim's as ridiculous as claiming that those four tennesseans are pro-CSA traitors.

Then let's make it.

Humiliate them publicly, force them to present "proof", get their addresses online!

Make an example of them.

I have no idea why is it that Obama puts up with this bullshit.

The problem with this, is I've talked about it with people who believe Obama isn't a citizen, or hasn't "proven" it sufficiently, but when asked HOW to go about doing that, the inconsistancies show up. The fact is, the Hawaii secretary of state, the definitive authority on the subject, has declared that he has seen the certificate, and it is valid.

There is no further discussion to be had on the subject. Not this nonsensical "if he has nothing to hide, just produce it." He HAS produced it. It's been examined. It's been declared valid.

What more do you want the man to do? Produce it for the court? What's the court going to do, other than ask the Sec. State of Hawaii to authenticate it? Something he's already done.

The problem with this, is I've talked about it with people who believe Obama isn't a citizen, or hasn't "proven" it sufficiently, but when asked HOW to go about doing that, the inconsistancies show up. The fact is, the Hawaii secretary of state, the definitive authority on the subject, has declared that he has seen the certificate, and it is valid.

There is no further discussion to be had on the subject. Not this nonsensical "if he has nothing to hide, just produce it." He HAS produced it. It's been examined. It's been declared valid.

What more do you want the man to do? Produce it for the court? What's the court going to do, other than ask the Sec. State of Hawaii to authenticate it? Something he's already done.
I wonder how much it would cost to get the Hawaii Secretary of State to certify a few million copies of a business card sized reduction of the birth certificate document, so Obama could carry them in his wallet and present one to every dumbass he will be introduced to during the next four years.

The problem with this, is I've talked about it with people who believe Obama isn't a citizen, or hasn't "proven" it sufficiently, but when asked HOW to go about doing that, the inconsistancies show up. The fact is, the Hawaii secretary of state, the definitive authority on the subject, has declared that he has seen the certificate, and it is valid.

There is no further discussion to be had on the subject. Not this nonsensical "if he has nothing to hide, just produce it." He HAS produced it. It's been examined. It's been declared valid.

What more do you want the man to do? Produce it for the court? What's the court going to do, other than ask the Sec. State of Hawaii to authenticate it? Something he's already done.

I suggest forcing all of the people who make these claims through the exact same hoops through which they're trying to force Obama. And threatening to impeach, and so on.

For that matter, the moron that started this one this time seems to be a Russian immigrant. Why is it that no one's trying to get HIM forced back to Russia or claiming he's an USSR (Yes, USSR) agent undercover?

I mean, yes, Obama COULD produce it AGAIN and shut some people up, but he's going for a legal strategy that I appreciate. He's going the opposite direction that Kerry did. He's not doing the whole attempts to placate and defend against every criticism and attack.

His whole legal strategy seems to be "you want to sue me? You want to take me on? OK, I'll see you in court. I'll fight you tooth and nail. I'll drive up the cost for you to do this so high that it'll bankrupt you to keep fighting it. And by the way, there's this particular organization that has a whole division of lawyers whose sole job is to defend me against these types of suits, so it's not costing me a dime. Perhaps you've heard of this organization. It's called the Department of Justice."

I can't say I disagree with that strategy.

I mean, yes, Obama COULD produce it AGAIN and shut some people up, but he's going for a legal strategy that I appreciate. He's going the opposite direction that Kerry did. He's not doing the whole attempts to placate and defend against every criticism and attack.

His whole legal strategy seems to be "you want to sue me? You want to take me on? OK, I'll see you in court. I'll fight you tooth and nail. I'll drive up the cost for you to do this so high that it'll bankrupt you to keep fighting it. And by the way, there's this particular organization that has a whole division of lawyers whose sole job is to defend me against these types of suits, so it's not costing me a dime. Perhaps you've heard of this organization. It's called the Department of Justice."

I can't say I disagree with that strategy.

Problem is, there are many people who sue, and I don't think they all do go bankrupt.

Or you meant figuratively?

Mmm... For that matter, Obama could sue them all for frivolous lawsuits.

Obama could sue them all for frivolous lawsuits.
I think Obama is giving all these plaintiffs as much respect and attention as they deserve.

I think Obama is giving all these plaintiffs as much respect and attention as they deserve.

Maybe, but another way to make the problem go away would be to make them SCARED FOR THEIR LIVELIHOODS of pulling that crap.

Maybe, but another way to make the problem go away would be to make them SCARED FOR THEIR LIVELIHOODS of pulling that crap.

Unfortunately, in America we reserve the right to file frivolous lawsuits. I believe its protected under Article VI of the Constitution.

Maybe, but another way to make the problem go away would be to make them SCARED FOR THEIR LIVELIHOODS of pulling that crap.

If he wants people to trust him he can't. These people either want him to pay them to shut up, to go away quietly or to come down on them like a ton of bricks.

The first would suggest he has something to hide, the second would prove it and the third would prove that he is willing to abuse his power for personal reasons.

If he fights this through the channels that they have used then when they are proved wrong and have wasted lots of time they are going to find it hard to get backers for this sort of idiocy in the future.

At least I hope...

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090213/NEWS02/902130368

Worlds fail me, though my head hurts... a lot.

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

Is that better or worse than, "Let's start a two front war and while the people are distracted, remove Constitutionally protected rights and let big business ruin the country and the world's economy?"

Just asking.

Since you asked, it's WORSE!!!

BTW: your premise is bogus.

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

I demand you point us all to your original birth certificate available. And your credit card number - you don't have anything to hide, do you?

That you continually refuse to share personal details with people whose goal it is to stand against everything you support only serves to highlight your basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090213/NEWS02/902130368

Worlds fail me, though my head hurts... a lot.

Oh crap, we elected a foreigner?? Our purebreed American forefathers would be rolling in their graves right now!!!

Since you asked, it's WORSE!!!

BTW: your premise is bogus.

You forgot to take a down payment to the intelligence store, didn't you?

You forgot to take a down payment to the intelligence store, didn't you?

lol.

Oh crap, we elected a foreigner?? Our purebreed American forefathers would be rolling in their graves right now!!!

Let's hook them up to turbines and solve this energy crisis once and for all!

just cause he's got a funny name, which he got from his dad he's not american. i didn't know americanism was determined by name. his mama was born here and i read a child is american if one parent is. who will president if obama is proved not american? his vp? how do feel about president biden? if the president can't be president, according to history, his vp finishes the term or if the vp is not interested or incapable the speaker of the house. if that doesn't work president pro tempore of the senate, then cabinet members, if that fails. i'm an american girl, so i know who these are or could find out easily.

just cause he's got a funny name, which he got from his dad he's not american. i didn't know americanism was determined by name. his mama was born here and i read a child is american if one parent is. who will president if obama is proved not american? his vp? how do feel about president biden? if the president can't be president, according to history, his vp finishes the term or if the vp is not interested or incapable the speaker of the house. if that doesn't work president pro tempore of the senate, then cabinet members, if that fails. i'm an american girl, so i know who these are or could find out easily.


He is American. Its nothing but a few idiots being sore loosers.

He is American. Its nothing but a few idiots being sore loosers.

Now, now -- the republican party strictly enforces a minimum quota of idiotic claims. :p

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

public inspection? Since when has any president, EVER, made his birth certificate available for "public inspection"?

I don't recall you asking for Bush to do this.

FORT SUMPTER!

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.


Indeed! Which is why all good people wander around naked announcing their SSN, credit card information, ATM PIN, and passwords to the world. They also make a point of having sex only in the middle of crowded rooms, put no locks on their homes, and regularly read their diaries to passersby. How can anyone argue with that?

Indeed! Which is why all good people wander around naked announcing their SSN, credit card information, ATM PIN, and passwords to the world. They also make a point of having sex only in the middle of crowded rooms, put no locks on their homes, and regularly read their diaries to passersby. How can anyone argue with that?

you know, I don't think Poliwanacraca is your real name...

He's black. At least almost black.
half black, i think. his mama was white and his dad was black. mulatto, as people say in my country and that's ok. i'm not rascist. the one drop rule says he's black. he looks like "a very light skinned black." My dad called him that. said "he's a very light skinned black, isn't he?" i think he was talking to my mom, who said "he's a mulatto". my mom found out through the news or something. that's how i know and both my parents know too.

So, remember when some among us were slightly worried that without Bush, Jon Stewart's job might become harder as a source of comedy was lost to the world?

Glad to see the Republican heard our fears and have provided us with enough goons to amuse us. They do care!

Oh, christ. They need to give it up. :rolleyes:

Oh, christ. They need to give it up. :rolleyes:

... *Enlightenment*

This guys.... are not trying to show Obama is a foreigner because they hate him - they believe he truly IS Jesus Christ ! It all fits now !They just want to see the Nazareth thingy !


But yes. They should.

Since you asked, it's WORSE!!!

Gee. I was wondering when you would show up to parade your...

You know what? Screw it. You're just not worth the effort. If I answer you and trying to argue with you, it'll be like Mike Tyson facing Stephen Hawking on a ring or Stephen Hawking facing Mike Tyson on an astrophysics discussion.

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

So, what country are you REALLY from, Leeroy? You have yet to show your birth certificate. You're not an American. You hate America, you're only here to try and make a spectacle out of REAL Americans. The only way you'll manage to disprove this is by showing an American birth certificate and getting the Secretary of State of the state you supposedly live in to authenticate it.

You foreigner, anti-American America-hater. I bet you're from Iran, and have a lot of Muslim friends, just itching to make America look bad by trying to represent it as a place filled with inbred morons who can't take democracy when it doesn't go their way.

Why do you hate America so much?

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.
this isn't lord of the rings, so quit talking about the dark lord! next time anyone does i'm telling katganistan.

So, what country are you REALLY from, Leeroy? You have yet to show your birth certificate. You're not an American. You hate America, you're only here to try and make a spectacle out of REAL Americans. The only way you'll manage to disprove this is by showing an American birth certificate and getting the Secretary of State of the state you supposedly live in to authenticate it.

You foreigner, anti-American America-hater. I bet you're from Iran, and have a lot of Muslim friends, just itching to make America look bad by trying to represent it as a place filled with inbred morons who can't take democracy when it doesn't go their way.

Why do you hate America so much?


I...I think this wins the thread.

next time anyone does i'm telling katganistan.

. . . .what the fuck do you think this is, grade school?

I...I think this wins the thread.

YES! Got one thread called for me!

. . . .what the fuck do you think this is, grade school?
i'm sick of people talking about the dark lord when this isn't lord of the rings! and you tell the mods when something annoys you. they help the offense be gone. ok? i finished grade school, as you call it in june 2000.

i'm sick of people talking about the dark lord when this isn't lord of the rings! and you tell the mods when something annoys you. they help the offense be gone. ok?

You go right ahead and try that, see what happens. Mommy isn't here to make sure nobody annoys you.

i'm sick of people talking about the dark lord when this isn't lord of the rings! and you tell the mods when something annoys you. they help the offense be gone. ok? i finished grade school, as you call it in june 2000.

*Sigh*

Look, NM IS annoying, and DOES flamebait, but I'm afraid calling Obama the Dark Lord doesn't qualify as breaking the rules.

What you CAN do is mock his views mercilessly, as they deserve.

this isn't lord of the rings, so quit talking about the dark lord! next time anyone does i'm telling katganistan.

I heard someone was stealing my title. I have come to claim it.

I heard someone was stealing my title. I have come to claim it.

>.>

<.<

*Chokes Galloism telekinetically*

*Sigh*

Look, NM IS annoying, and DOES flamebait, but I'm afraid calling Obama the Dark Lord doesn't qualify as breaking the rules.

What you CAN do is mock his views mercilessly, as they deserve.
i will tell the mods NM is an annoying flamer who calls obama the dark lords and to ban him. who is "him?" NM?

i will tell the mods NM is an annoying flamer who calls obama the dark lords and to ban him

There's a mod reading the thread right now. Why don't you ask?

i will tell the mods NM is an annoying flamer who calls obama the dark lords and to ban him. who is "him?" NM?

It's not that easy for it to be seen as a flamebait. Just do what I do, humiliate him within the rules.

katganistan, New Mitani aka NM is an annoying flamer who calls obama the dark lord and this is not lord of the rings. he needs to be banned, i think cause his calling my president the dark lord is annoying the crap out of me.

katganistan, New Mitani aka NM is an annoying flamer who calls obama the dark lord and this is not lord of the rings. he needs to be banned, i think cause his calling my president the dark lord is annoying the crap out of me.

The moderation forum is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1231

If you want moderator action, post there. Go ahead, see what happens.

The moderation forum is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1231

If you want moderator action, post there. Go ahead, see what happens.

*Sighs*

Neo, you're acting like I do. Stop it. :p

*Sighs*

Neo, you're acting like I do. Stop it. :p

I'm not "acting" in any way. If she wishes to file a complaint, I showed her where. I'm even ignoring her blatant "using mods as weapons" attempt.

I'm not "acting" in any way. If she wishes to file a complaint, I showed her where. I'm even ignoring her blatant "using mods as weapons" attempt.
mods are only weapons to annoying flamers like NM. and i was annoyed with him. ok? so i had a right to use mods as weapons. don't we have that right on this forum? to tell the mods someone annoyed us?

<snip>...is annoying the crap out of me.

If this is the new standard for getting someone banned, this is going to be one lonely forum come tomorrow morning.

mods are only weapons to annoying flamers like NM. and i was annoyed with him. ok? so i had a right to use mods as weapons. don't we have that right on this forum? to tell the mods someone annoyed us?

*Sighs*

You're misinterpreting what "mods as weapons" is...

to NM. HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! CHOMP! RAKE!* you annoyed the kitty and the mods are after you.
*kitty scratched you

mods are only weapons to annoying flamers like NM. and i was annoyed with him. ok? so i had a right to use mods as weapons. don't we have that right on this forum? to tell the mods someone annoyed us?

No. You can tell them in the moderation forum when someone flamed you or is trollng or is posting things against the rules, but you can't just whine about people annoying you........I mean you can but the mods won't like it.

No. You can tell them in the moderation forum when someone flamed you or is trollng or is posting things against the rules, but you can't just whine about people annoying you........I mean you can but the mods won't like it.

I'm pretty sure my post both annoyed NM and is within the rules, for instance.

If this is the new standard for getting someone banned, this is going to be one lonely forum come tomorrow morning.

This um...this will not end well.

This um...this will not end well.

Well, Ill be perma-banned in about 45 seconds.

If this is the new standard for getting someone banned, this is going to be one lonely forum come tomorrow morning.
i've had my fill of it. i suppose i deserve it. i just called by his initials (BO) and that made people say "what's wrong with obama?" as in referring to him by his last name. someone said i was attacking the man. i never called him hussein, just barack obama, barack hussein obama, obama, maybe senator, president elect or president obama and his initials. some of these i'm not sure about, just being complete as to what i feel like sharing. i have something only i call him, but it's a secret code name.

Well, Ill be perma-banned in about 45 seconds.

I'll be killed. :p

I win.

Well, Ill be perma-banned in about 45 seconds.
you annoy people? well have you annoyed the crap out of anyone on the forum?

i have something only i call him, but it's a secret code name.

That's it. Poe.

well have you annoyed the crap out of anyone on the forum?

Ive lost count.

you annoy people? well have you annoyed the crap out of anyone on the forum?

Within the rules, I like to try and make sure certain people in this forum HATE me.

i've had my fill of it. i suppose i deserve it. i just called by his initials (BO) and that made people say "what's wrong with obama?" as in referring to him by his last name. someone said i was attacking the man. i never called him hussein, just barack obama, barack hussein obama, obama, maybe senator, president elect or president obama and his initials. some of these i'm not sure about, just being complete as to what i feel like sharing. i have something only i call him, but it's a secret code name.

The irony is burning.

mods are only weapons to annoying flamers like NM. and i was annoyed with him. ok? so i had a right to use mods as weapons. don't we have that right on this forum? to tell the mods someone annoyed us?

If you're to stay here, posting on NSG, you need to grow some thicker skin. If not, you better consider your options.

That's it. Poe.
the acronym is TKD. a magazine said malia obama has read twilight and she is a ten year old fifth grader! she is in my opninion too young to read vampire romance, but her parents, not sure. well her dad didn't say what he thought. it came from him that she read the books.

Which would have put Obama in the same position as McCain had been, and Republicans (and Constitutional scholars) apparently didn't have a problem with someone born in the Panama Canal Zone (then a territory) running for President.
Technicality: the Canal Zone was never a "territory"; it was a "perpetual leasehold". That is, the US had the right to keep renewing the "lease" until we felt like giving it back, but it always remained Panamanian sovereign territory. In particular, children born there did not automatically become US citizens (most of them were born to Panamanian workers, and were therefore Panamanian citizens). Children born there to American parents became US citizens, according to a statute enacted three years after McCain's birth.

Another technicality: for officials of the state of Tennessee to impugn the integrity of the record-keeping of the state of Hawaii is a direct violation of the constitution (the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in Article IV).

If you're to stay here, posting on NSG, you need to grow some thicker skin. If not, you better consider your options.
i do? ok i will. overnight.

the acronym is TKD. a magazine said malia obama has read twilight and she is a ten year old fifth grader! she is in my opninion too young to read vampire romance, but her parents, not sure. well her dad didn't say what he thought. it came from him that she read the books.

Huh?

i do? ok i will. overnight.

You don't need to prove me that you will grow thikcer skin. Do it for yourself. If you do not, posting on NSG will not be an easy thing.

Technicality: the Canal Zone was never a "territory"; it was a "perpetual leasehold". That is, the US had the right to keep renewing the "lease" until we felt like giving it back, but it always remained Panamanian sovereign territory. In particular, children born there did not automatically become US citizens (most of them were born to Panamanian workers, and were therefore Panamanian citizens). Children born there to American parents became US citizens, according to a statute enacted three years after McCain's birth.

Another technicality: for officials of the state of Tennessee to impugn the integrity of the record-keeping of the state of Hawaii is a direct violation of the constitution (the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in Article IV).

Wasn't he born on a military base down there? If so, those count as American property, even if everything around it isn't. We had to go through all that when my brother was born and we were stationed out in Germany.

Wasn't he born on a military base down there? If so, those count as American property, even if everything around it isn't. We had to go through all that when my brother was born and we were stationed out in Germany.
The military base is still German territory, and children who happen to be born on the base, but to parents who are just German workers, not American soldiers, do not become US citizens just by place of birth.

There is a special statute clarifying that children born in such "leasehold" areas, to American-citizen parents, are American citizens from birth (no need for a naturalization process etc.) It had been the general understanding before, but wasn't codified into statute until the 1930's (when McCain was three).

These guys are nuts, firstly there is the whole INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Then there is the fact that,

When they refused to accept the copy provided that means they want to violate privacy laws and release Vault documents to the public.

I can see that as a dangerous precident.

If I accuse someone in court of being an imposter, I can look through their personal sealed files.

PS: maybe the plan is to have these idiots do this then get fined like crazy, then we put their fine towards the deficit.

how would any of us PROVE our citizenship if our birth certificate isnt enough?

im 51, no one who was there at my birth is still working now. they may all be dead. perhaps my mother snuck off to canada to give birth in st. stephens NB and lied about it afterwards to everyone. maybe her baby died and she bought another off the street and raise it (me) as her own.

good thing im not running for president.

I lost my birth certificate, and I'm froma country where they think it is acceptable to store important public documents in a mud hut (it's not racist if it's against your own people) so I'd be royally fucked

What I want to know is why do these people seem to want Joe Biden as President so bad...

Bottles the mind...

What I want to know is why do these people seem to want Joe Biden as President so bad...

Bottles the mind...

Last time I bottled a mind, I got arrested.

Last time I bottled a mind, I got arrested.

Shoulda just told them that these werent the droids they were looking for, lol

Well, Ill be perma-banned in about 45 seconds.

Ha! That's why I choose to be second-string, B-list and as inoffensive as Vanilla Ice Cream!


...

Good God, I'm boring as fuck.

joe biden is an old man. do we want an old president when we can have a tall, dark, handsome 47-who-according-to-my-mother-looks-like-37 president. he's nice looking, relatively young by presidental standards, is a good speaker, has a beautiful wife and cute kids, is athletic (he likes basketball), smart and writes books and even, i think speeches. people, including his wife say he's nice. in one of his books, he said people ask "you seem like a nice guy. why would you go into something as nasty as politics?" i only read a few pages though.
well, on the other hand, he's a lawyer. maybe people have a problem with a half-black lawyer as president. well, we can't have everything. he needs God's help as he has a big job, so if you believe in a God and prayer, pray for him. my church denomination's head man prayed for him, and i do some. i did not vote for him, but i don't want him to fail or die.

joe biden is an old man. do we want an old president when we can have a tall, dark, handsome 47-who-according-to-my-mother-looks-like-37 president. he's nice looking, relatively young by presidental standards, is a good speaker, has a beautiful wife and cute kids, is athletic (he likes basketball), smart and writes books and even, i think speeches. people, including his wife say he's nice. in one of his books, he said people ask "you seem like a nice guy. why would you go into something as nasty as politics?" i only read a few pages though.
well, on the other hand, he's a lawyer. maybe people have a problem with a half-black lawyer as president. well, we can't have everything. he needs God's help as he has a big job, so if you believe in a God and prayer, pray for him. my church denomination's head man prayed for him, and i do some. i did not vote for him, but i don't want him to fail or die.


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Self censorship: learn to use it.

The military base is still German territory, and children who happen to be born on the base, but to parents who are just German workers, not American soldiers, do not become US citizens just by place of birth.

There is a special statute clarifying that children born in such "leasehold" areas, to American-citizen parents, are American citizens from birth (no need for a naturalization process etc.) It had been the general understanding before, but wasn't codified into statute until the 1930's (when McCain was three).

Read the Hay Bunau-Varilla treaty.

the United States would possess and exercise if it were the sovereign of the territory..... to the Entire exclusion of the exercise by the Republic of Panama of any such sovereign right.

Panama canal zone was a special case. the treaty gives sovereignty to the US over the canal zone and excludes Panamanian sovereignty. It is really all but a US territory.

The only reason someone hides something is because he has something to hide.

There is no legitimate reason for the Dark Lord not to make everything pertaining to his qualifications for President (and I'm speaking only of Constitutional qualifications, not leadership or policy qualifications, of which he has just enough to fool a voting majority). That includes making his original birth certificate available for public inspection.

The fact that he refuses to do so only serves to highlight his basic deceptiveness, dishonesty and bad faith.

Since you asked, it's WORSE!!!

BTW: your premise is bogus.

Oh, read the bloody thread, for christ's sake. His birth certificate has been provided AND CERTIFIED, it's just petty and desperate idiots who keep whining that he hasn't done it.

Were and are we in a two front war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yes or no?
Were American freedoms curtailed in the Patriot Act -- that is, is their Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to search and seizure severely curtailed?

Did not the Republican Congress spend like a drunken sailor, taking us from a budget surplus to a debt we've never had before?

Did not the pandering to big business and the "la la la, economy is strong as ever!" bullshit of the last two years cripple our economy and that of the rest of the world?

I think you will find your "your premise is bogus!" to be woefully thin on fact. In fact, since you didn't bother to refute it and only said "it's not true", I'm sure of it.

You forgot to take a down payment to the intelligence store, didn't you?
Chill.

Oh, read the bloody thread, for christ's sake.

Since when do Americans say bloody?

Read the Hay Bunau-Varilla treaty.
Quote:
the United States would possess and exercise as if (fixed) it were the sovereign of the territory..... to the Entire exclusion of the exercise by the Republic of Panama of any such sovereign right.


Panama canal zone was a special case. the treaty gives sovereignty to the US over the canal zone and excludes Panamanian sovereignty. It is really all but a US territory.
No, the treaty DOESN'T give sovereignty to the US; it gives the US the right to act "as if" it were the sovereign. This may seem like a petty and meaningless distinction, except for one particular consequence (the subject of this thread): children born in the Zone DID NOT become US citizens automatically by place of birth (it remained Panamanian territory, even though Panama wasn't allowed to exert control; the children born there to Panamanian workers would become Panamanian citizens); children born there would become US citizens only to the extent Congress statutorily provided for that to happen.

Since when do Americans say bloody?
Since we hang with people who speak and write British English, and watch Brit-Shows on TV. ;)

Since when do Americans say bloody?

Bloody hell!

Since when do Americans say bloody?

Can be an idiolect.

Since when do Americans say bloody?
we have read british books, watched british tv and perhaps movies, listened to british music and some of us have even visited. i have not visited but have read some of your books, watched a british tv show and my family has listened to british musicians (for example, Matt Redman). I think we have anglophiles as well. I am not really an anglophile, but i know about them. Kat could be an anglophile or just know the word from entertainment or a trip. also, she probablys knows there are some brit posters here.

Oh, read the bloody thread, for christ's sake. His birth certificate has been provided AND CERTIFIED, it's just petty and desperate idiots who keep whining that he hasn't done it.

Were and are we in a two front war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yes or no?
Were American freedoms curtailed in the Patriot Act -- that is, is their Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to search and seizure severely curtailed?

Did not the Republican Congress spend like a drunken sailor, taking us from a budget surplus to a debt we've never had before?

Did not the pandering to big business and the "la la la, economy is strong as ever!" bullshit of the last two years cripple our economy and that of the rest of the world?

I think you will find your "your premise is bogus!" to be woefully thin on fact. In fact, since you didn't bother to refute it and only said "it's not true", I'm sure of it.

Don't you see? Unless the Dark Lord Sauron descends from his tower in Barad-Dûr and personally hands his birth certificate into the hands of any and all Sauron Citizenship Deniers(SCDs) we can only conclude that he's an agent of Kenya's world renowned intelligence agency on a deep cover operation to take over America and ultimately the world through the use of rings of power.

Don't you see? Unless the Dark Lord Sauron descends from his tower in Barad-Dûr and personally hands his birth certificate into the hands of any and all Sauron Citizenship Deniers(SCDs) we can only conclude that he's an agent of Kenya's world renowned intelligence agency on a deep cover operation to take over America and ultimately the world through the use of rings of power.

Lord of the Rings IV: The Dark Lord Triumphant
"One stimulus to rule them all".

cast:
Barack Obama as Sauron
Hillary Rodham-Clinton as Evil Eowyn
Nancy Pelosi as Evil Galadriel
Bill Clinton as Evil Faramir
Al Gore as Gandalf (now Gandalf The Black)

Mh...

...nah. Won't work.

Kenya's world renowned intelligence agency

o_o

I KNEW IT!!!

Lord of the Rings IV: The Dark Lord Triumphant
"One stimulus to rule them all".

cast:
Barack Obama as Sauron
Hillary Rodham-Clinton as Evil Eowyn
Nancy Pelosi as Evil Galadriel
Bill Clinton as Evil Faramir
Al Gore as Gandalf (now Gandalf The Black)

Mh...

...nah. Won't work.

Joe Biden as Zombie Saruman
HRC as Zombie Wormtongue
Pelosi as Zombie The Mouth Of Sauron
Zombie Reagan as Zombie Reagan

Joe Biden as Zombie Saruman
HRC as Zombie Wormtongue
Pelosi as Zombie The Mouth Of Sauron
Zombie Reagan as Zombie Reagan

George Bush as Smeagol/Gollum.

George Bush as Smeagol/Gollum.

I can't help but feel that Bob Dole would be a better fit.

Maybe Bush should be like... Frodo, or something.

I have his birth certificate and it proves he's not American, guys.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/God_of_the_Bloody_Tongue/obamabirth.gif

If he's got nothing to hide, he's got nothing to worry about. I say whip it out, and if you prove them wrong, I don't know, maybe countersue for defamation of character or something, I don't know.

No. Ignorant jackasses should not be pandered to. If a birth announcement, a court legal document, and top secret clearances don't count, then inventing a fucking time machine and sending all these jackasses back in time to watch him being born won't even work.

I have his birth certificate and it proves he's not American, guys.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/God_of_the_Bloody_Tongue/obamabirth.gif

I see no reason not to trust you implicitly.

I have his birth certificate and it proves he's not American, guys.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/God_of_the_Bloody_Tongue/obamabirth.gif

I knew it!

Don't you see? Unless the Dark Lord Sauron descends from his tower in Barack-Dûr and personally hands his birth certificate into the hands of any and all Sauron Citizenship Deniers(SCDs) we can only conclude that he's an agent of Kenya's world renowned intelligence agency on a deep cover operation to take over America and ultimately the world through the use of rings of power.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Lord of the Rings IV: The Dark Lord Triumphant
"One stimulus to rule them all".

cast:
Barack Obama as Sauron
Hillary Rodham-Clinton as Evil Eowyn
Nancy Pelosi as Evil Galadriel
Bill Clinton as Evil Faramir
Al Gore as Gandalf (now Gandalf The Black)

Mh...

...nah. Won't work.
cast Al Gore as Saruman. keep the rest of it the same.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
is that Barack part really in the orginal? it's been a few years since i read the books, which i read because The Hobbit is on a recomended books list my family had. i got all four hobbit books in a boxed set.

Aren't they a bit late to the Obama isn't an American bit? can't wait to see their reaction to the fact that he's been elected. :p
If he's got nothing to hide, he's got nothing to worry about. I say whip it out, and if you prove them wrong, I don't know, maybe countersue for defamation of character or something, I don't know.

"pardon me while I whip this out...":D

can't wait to see their reaction to the fact that he's been elected. :p


"pardon me while I whip this out...":D
Forget all this LOTR/Dark Lord stuff. The country is actually looking more and more like the United States of Rock Ridge, to me.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

http://www.roomnine.com/123/winnar.jpg

can't wait to see their reaction to the fact that he's been elected. :p


"pardon me while I whip this out...":D

Forget all this LOTR/Dark Lord stuff. The country is actually looking more and more like the United States of Rock Ridge, to me.

"The President's a ni-" DOOOOOOONG!!

"What did he say?"

"He said the President's near!"

"NO GOD DANG DARN VARMINT! I SAID THE PRESIDENT'S A NI-" DOOOOOOONG!!

You need only be born in the US or its territories to be a US citizen, and NOT renounce your citizenship. All this bullshit about his not being a citizen because his father was Kenyan is exactly that -- bullshit.

I'm a little curious about people who are born abroad to American parents. I know that I get citizenship through my parents despite the fact that I was not born on American soil (nor have I lived there). Would this make me a natural born citizen since I never had to apply for such citizenship?

I'm a little curious about people who are born abroad to American parents. I know that I get citizenship through my parents despite the fact that I was not born on American soil (nor have I lived there). Would this make me a natural born citizen since I never had to apply for such citizenship?
No one knows. The issue has never been brought up to the courts yet. My son, due to having an American father, was an American citizen at birth despite being born in Japan, but whether this is the same as being a native born citizen... SCOTUS has never had a case brought before it to rule either way.

I'm a little curious about people who are born abroad to American parents. I know that I get citizenship through my parents despite the fact that I was not born on American soil (nor have I lived there). Would this make me a natural born citizen since I never had to apply for such citizenship?

interesting question.

for your perusal (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html).

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

UPDATE!

According to "Wingnutdaily" 2 Officers and a former General are now demanding this crap.
*Sigh* Hope they like Court Martial.

And I hope we have enough loyal soldiers to prevent a Mutiny.

Boy that will be one for the history books...

"Country destroys itself because idiots refused to believe that a person they hated was President"