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US loses track of more weapons

Zilam
13-02-2009, 21:38
This time in Afghanistan.


US 'lost track of Afghan weapons'
Afghan soldiers with US-issue automatic rifles
The Pentagon admits that there are failures tracking weaponry

The US military has failed to keep track of thousands of weapons shipped to Afghanistan, leaving them vulnerable to being lost or stolen, a report says.

The report has been compiled by congressional auditors, the US Government Accountability Office (GAO).

It found that, in the four years up to June 2008, the US military failed to keep complete records on some 222,000 weapons entering the country.

The report will be discussed in the US House of Representatives on Thursday.

It states that weapons supplied by the US to the Afghan military "are at serious risk of theft or loss".

The report says:

* US military officials failed to keep proper records on about 87,000 rifles, pistols, mortars and other weapons sent to Afghanistan between December 2004 and June 2008 - about a third of all the weapons sent
* There was a similar lack of management of a further 135,000 light weapons donated to Afghan forces via the US military by 21 countries
* The military failed even to record the serial numbers of some 46,000 weapons, making it impossible to confirm receipt of weapons or identify any which had fallen into the hands of militants
* The serial numbers of 41,000 weapons were recorded, but US military officials still had no idea where they were

"Lapses in accountability occurred throughout the supply chain," concludes the report, which is due to be discussed on Thursday at a panel hearing of a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee.

In response, the Pentagon agreed that it needed more people to help train the Afghanistan government to track the weapons, the AP news agency reported.

It said it had made attempts to address the problems with registering serial numbers and monitoring weapon locations.

The report's findings came just a day after an audacious attack on three government buildings in the Afghan capital Kabul left 28 people, including eight attackers, dead.

The report is reminiscent of an August 2007 study, also by the GAO, which found the US military could not account for some 190,000 rifles and pistols given to security services in Iraq.

One of the US lawmakers who will discuss the report findings on Thursday, Democratic Representative John Tierney, suggested the report could prompt Congress to legislate on weapons-handling in Afghanistan.

"The challenges here are immense, but this is just too important not to get it right," he said.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7885533.stm?a

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/more-thousands-missing-us-weapons-time-afgh

ONE THIRD of all the weapons procured for the Afghan security forces are missing and can be presumed sold onto the black market. Worth roughly $40 million at wholesale cost (and weighing in excess of 200 tons) to the Pentagon, would anyone like to guess at the black market value? The report has been compiled by congressional auditors, the US Government Accountability Office (GAO).
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Which is to say the Pentagon didn't figure that much out after the first time this happened.

Haven't we heard this tune before, in Iraq while General Pet was in charge of keeping track of US arms shipments and 110,000 AK47s and 80,000 Glock pistols walked out the door? That came out in a GAO report in 2007. Indeed, Iraq was awash in "missing" weapons. One of Petraeus' closest aides eventually pled guilty to taking bribes for looking the other way while they were being stolen for re-sale on the black market. No-one in the mainstream has ever been interested in seriously asking how high the graft goes among US officers and officials as billions of dollars are swallowed by corruption and greed in both Iraq and Afghanistan.


How the hell do you lose so many weapons?
Megaloria
13-02-2009, 21:40
Next up, US military "finds" hundreds of thousands of dollars, just lying around somewhere?
Elves Security Forces
13-02-2009, 21:41
How the hell do you lose so many weapons?

The ghosts took them, it has to be. Incompetence does not exist within America :p
Hotwife
13-02-2009, 21:42
They're at my house.
Trostia
13-02-2009, 21:42
The US military seems to be very good at "losing track" of things.

But to be fair, I do too. I mean a few thousand weapons here, a trillion dollars there, who has time to keep track of it all?
Megaloria
13-02-2009, 21:42
They're at my house.

You have a very big house.
Neo Art
13-02-2009, 21:46
Obama's fault.
Zilam
13-02-2009, 21:52
Obama's fault.

omg troll!

;)
Lord Tothe
13-02-2009, 22:01
They're at my house.

May I have one? Especially if some are from the M14 family?
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
13-02-2009, 22:08
For some reason, the thought of a couple thousand more assault rifles in the Middle East fills me with...
Apathy.
It's like getting angry at someone who spits into a lake.
Megaloria
13-02-2009, 22:13
For some reason, the thought of a couple thousand more assault rifles in the Middle East fills me with...
Apathy.
It's like getting angry at someone who spits into a lake.

There's probably more guns than people at this point.
Gauthier
13-02-2009, 22:16
Obama's fault.

Where's the change Sauron!?
Khadgar
13-02-2009, 22:44
For some reason, the thought of a couple thousand more assault rifles in the Middle East fills me with...
Apathy.
It's like getting angry at someone who spits into a lake.

Isn't Afghanistan more Asia than Middle East?
VirginiaCooper
13-02-2009, 22:51
Isn't Afghanistan more Asia than Middle East?

I wouldn't say so - they are followers of Islam for the most part, and have a lot in common with Iran. Persian, for instance. Generally you should consider parts of the former Persian Empire as Middle Eastern. Pakistan is what I would say is the eastern "edge" of the ME.
greed and death
13-02-2009, 22:52
How the hell do you lose so many weapons?

One of the main reasons is soldiers often realize that the serial number is not being kept or that the the weapon is not attached to them. Then they take it apart and ship it home. At home it is either a souvenir, or is sold on the black market. Rarely they may also sell it in country but not often the price isn't as high, and their is a fear of arming those who may use it against you.
Lackadaisical2
13-02-2009, 22:53
Isn't Afghanistan more Asia than Middle East?

pfft... same thing

Really though I'd say western asia. Although you could argue that culturally its more middle eastern, I'm not sure this is the case, you'd probably have to say that all the other -stan's to the north were "middle eastern" too
greed and death
13-02-2009, 23:17
pfft... same thing

Really though I'd say western asia. Although you could argue that culturally its more middle eastern, I'm not sure this is the case, you'd probably have to say that all the other -stan's to the north were "middle eastern" too

mid east and central Asia are different.
Lackadaisical2
13-02-2009, 23:25
mid east and central Asia are different.

I think your sarcasm meter is off
greed and death
13-02-2009, 23:35
I think your sarcasm meter is off

i got sun burned today so its hard to detect sarcasm
Boonytopia
14-02-2009, 04:57
Sounds like some people are making a great deal of money in the black market arms trade.
Dimesa
14-02-2009, 05:01
I'm getting a little disappointed in Obama for not traveling back in time to avoid all these problems.
greed and death
14-02-2009, 07:56
Sounds like some people are making a great deal of money in the black market arms trade.

A large part is likely just soldiers wanting souvenirs taking their weapon apart and sending it home one piece at a time.
Rambhutan
14-02-2009, 12:26
A large part is likely just soldiers wanting souvenirs taking their weapon apart and sending it home one piece at a time.

222,000 souvenirs?
Bokkiwokki
14-02-2009, 12:44
It's like getting angry at someone who spits into a lake.

Someone spitting into a lake? SPITTING INTO A LAKE?!?! KILL! KILL!! KILL!!!

Ow... eh... never mind, I'm okay now...
Risottia
14-02-2009, 13:28
How the hell do you lose so many weapons?

Through a very large hole in your pocket.:p

Or maybe you're just selling them.:rolleyes:
Straughn
15-02-2009, 10:15
This time in Afghanistan.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7885533.stm?a

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/more-thousands-missing-us-weapons-time-afgh



How the hell do you lose so many weapons?The obvious answer is to increase funding for mathematics in school and start churning out more accountants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-wVe9a6rQ&feature=related

Oh yeah ... funny times with the whole "losing weapons" thing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7720049.stm
http://www.milkandcookies.com/media/images/asset_icon/63257_64x96.jpg
Ass-hole!
greed and death
15-02-2009, 10:21
222,000 souvenirs?

7 years of soldiers, CIA, Black water, and others rotating in and out of Afghanistan.
Rambhutan
15-02-2009, 10:44
7 years of soldiers, CIA, Black water, and others rotating in and out of Afghanistan.

Is no one checking the mail? If not I suspect huge amounts of heroin are heading back to the US as 'souvenirs' as well.
greed and death
15-02-2009, 10:46
Is no one checking the mail? If not I suspect huge amounts of heroin are heading back to the US as 'souvenirs' as well.

well soldiers mail form Afghanistan and Iraq is treated like domestic mail.


Lot of a lot of heroin during the Vietnam war got in the same way.

My chief warrant officer got a solider gold ashtray from one of Saddam's palaces.
Rambhutan
15-02-2009, 10:52
well soldiers mail form Afghanistan and Iraq is treated like domestic mail.

Seems a bit lax to me

Lot of a lot of heroin during the Vietnam war got in the same way.

Surprised the CIA didn't put a stop to that, remove the competiton and all

My chief warrant officer got a solider gold ashtray from one of Saddam's palaces.

I thought looting was always meant to be bad for discipline
greed and death
15-02-2009, 11:33
Seems a bit lax to me

Surprised the CIA didn't put a stop to that, remove the competiton and all

I thought looting was always meant to be bad for discipline

the military postal system is designed to try and get food and packages quickly to the soldiers family. besides there is a lot of packages to go through. and lots of creative wyas to hide M16 and 9mm parts.

The CIA doesn't care if more Americans have fun guns.

maybe. but its a sold gold ashtray. who wouldn't take it?
Lord Tothe
15-02-2009, 19:00
maybe. but its a sold gold ashtray. who wouldn't take it?

mybe - but that'd be one hell of a heavy ashtray. How would you hide it? Stash it in one of your popcorn pockets and hope your belt holds your trousers up?
Call to power
15-02-2009, 20:49
mybe - but that'd be one hell of a heavy ashtray. How would you hide it? Stash it in one of your popcorn pockets and hope your belt holds your trousers up?

stick it under your vest I'd hazard
Brogavia
15-02-2009, 20:59
Sameway you get a file into prision. You put it in a cake and mail it there.
greed and death
16-02-2009, 14:27
mybe - but that'd be one hell of a heavy ashtray. How would you hide it? Stash it in one of your popcorn pockets and hope your belt holds your trousers up?

i imagine he used his rucksack.