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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?

what the fuck?

how did he...?
why did she...?
?!?

what the fuck?

how did he...?
why did she...?
?!?

I don't even wanna think about it. It's probably illegal to think about it in some places. :tongue:

Mary Joe overly lusted
she was frequently opened and thrusted,
When the baby came due,
it was female too,
and its hymen was already busted.

How old was she?

Wow...I don't think I knew how to have sex when I was 12......

Christ...

Mary Joe overly lusted
she was frequently opened and thrusted,
When the baby came due,
it was female too,
and its hymen was already busted.

Lovely.

How old was she?

Wow...I don't think I knew how to have sex when I was 12......

She was 15, bit of a pedo.

Wow. Poor, brave, stupid kids.

From the article (and his vacant look in the pictures) I'm pretty sure he has no fucking clue what he's got himself in for. Poor kid.

She was 15, bit of a pedo.

yeah, she didn't even go for a kid that could grow the junior high mustache.


also, does this argue for the vital role of forced abortions?

The parents of these kids must be shit as well.

yeah, she didn't even go for a kid that could grow the junior high mustache.


also, does this argue for the vital role of forced abortions?

No, it argues for child welfare to step in and take the kid off them, at least until they're actually old enough to realise what they've done.

Look on the bright side. At least they didn't have octuplets. And for all of the stupidity of their act, I have to kinda admire them for their bravery in not choosing the easier abortion option

also, does this argue for the vital role of forced abortions?


I have a Shop Vac and a Dremel tool.

also, does this argue for the vital role of forced abortions?

By whom? The parents, or the state?

Look on the bright side. At least they didn't have octuplets. And for all of the stupidity of their act, I have to kinda admire them for not choosing the easy abortion option

You think abortion is "easy"? Not only that, you think they understood the choices, or the challenges they face? They're far too young to be making those kind of decisions.

By whom? The parents, or the state?

Just you and me. You hold them down, and I'll force the nozzle of the Shop Vac in there...

You think abortion is "easy"? Not only that, you think they understood the choices, or the challenges they face? They're far too young to be making those kind of decisions.

Compared to raising a kid? Having never had a kid nor an abortion, I will say that it seems to me that yes, the abortion is the easier option of the two.

Do any of us really understand half the choices we have or the challenges we'll face? Do you think if we did any of us would get out of bed in the morning? They are too young to be having sex, in my not-so-humble opinion, but if they are, then the decisions are theirs to make. Period.

You think abortion is "easy"?

From a physical standpoint? Fuckload easier than childbirth.

You think abortion is "easy"?

Well, no. But easier than bringing up a kid at that age, I'm sure you'd agree.

Not only that, you think they understood the choices, or the challenges they face? They're far too young to be making those kind of decisions.

I'm sure they didn't have a developed understanding of the choices and challenges they'll face. And yes, they're much younger than anyone in this situation should be. Imperfect understanding and being incredibly stupid to have got in the situation in the first place aside, I'd still say the decision to keep the child was brave, given what people would make of this and the hostility they would face. Thats all I'm saying.

From a physical standpoint? Fuckload easier than childbirth.

But from an emotional standpoint?

Added a poll, YES I KNOW ABOUT THE 'SHOULD OF'

What the hell are these kids thinking? They have NO idea what they're getting into. And let's not even get started about their parents... "buhh he'll prolly be a good dad, he cud of bin playin on his Playstayshun but he wuz at the hospitul insted"

Good God.

You think abortion is "easy"? Not only that, you think they understood the choices, or the challenges they face? They're far too young to be making those kind of decisions.
At 15? I dunno.

But from an emotional standpoint?

Especially with an underdeveloped, childlike emotional capacity, yeah, I think abortion would've been more difficult in this situation. To these kids they'd be killing a baby. They wouldn't understand the complexities inherent in choosing abortion.

Abortion isn't easy, neither is raising a child. They were fucked either way because of their age. I can't advocate forced abortion, but I can advocate forced seperation of the baby from its parents because that would be better for the baby in the short term.

I think we need to take a more hardline stance on issues such as these. Send the entire family, kids, parents, and all, to a work camp in Scotland and chuck the baby into the North Sea. Then use them as an example to other young teens and their parents; we'll get Family Values beaten back into the people yet!

At 15? I dunno.

Read the article. Tell me if they sound mature enough to raise a child. They're completely oblivious. Age is just a number, maturity level is often independant of it.

I think we need to take a more hardline stance on issues such as these. Send the entire family, kids, parents, and all, to a work camp in Scotland and chuck the baby into the North Sea. Then use them as an example to other young teens and their parents; we'll get Family Values beaten back into the people yet!

They're in Eastbourne, there's no need to go to the opposite end of the British isles, when they can just chuck the baby in the English Channel, not that I support any of this of course.

Wow. Poor, brave, stupid kids.

Yeah that's how I see it. It's a shame really.

I'm not voting in the poll; however, I want to say this...

what 15 yr. old girl wants to have sex w/ someone who looks 8????????

THAT is what I find most disturbing about this story...

They shouldnt be havin sex in the first place!!! Somebody up with me to convict the butt ugly 15yo? Or arrest the parents? Or bomb England? Ok, maybe not that (love the UK) but geez, what is wrong with that people? Somebody please do something!!!

That's Eddie Munster surely?
http://www.mallardsbaseball.com/home/images/news/butch_patrick5.jpg

I'm not voting in the poll; however, I want to say this...



THAT is what I find most disturbing about this story...

I wouldn't say its the most disturbing thing, though it is pretty shitty. I wonder if the kid is really the dad or not, maybe she played around with guys who were... more likely to have this sort of thing happen. I can't think that at 12 you'd be a very er.. potent male.

I wouldn't say its the most disturbing thing, though it is pretty shitty. I wonder if the kid is really the dad or not, maybe she played around with guys who were... more likely to have this sort of thing happen. I can't think that at 12 you'd be a very er.. potent male.
Well the story did mention that the girl's already got 5 other siblings. Maybe she's exceptionally fertile.

Well the story did mention that the girl's already got 5 other siblings. Maybe she's exceptionally fertile.
See, this is EXACTLY why no glove no love is such an important personal policy to me.

13 is not a baby. And yes, if some women can have a conception at 12 (even though there are problems with birth), some men can do it too.

13 is not a baby.

But have you seen what the kid looks like, he looks about 6.

But have you seen what the kid looks like, he looks about 6.
Aye, that is some paedo shit right there.

But have you seen what the kid looks like, he looks about 6.
I'm sure his boner doesn't.

I wouldn't say its the most disturbing thing, though it is pretty shitty. I wonder if the kid is really the dad or not, maybe she played around with guys who were... more likely to have this sort of thing happen. I can't think that at 12 you'd be a very er.. potent male.

interesting theory... VERY interesting theory.

although, why would the girl want to hide the true parentage of the baby, unless there was an obvious advantage to it being this kid - or an equally obvious (dangerous? socially unacceptable??) reason she wouldn't want to name the real father.

ew. I hate where my brain just went...

ew. I hate where my brain just went...

Arkansas?

Fuck me but this is nasty. Just wrong, unpleasant and disturbing.

They should have been obliged to have an abortion, and save the state the expense of supporting their child.

Fuck this shit, I'm all for civil liberties, but creating life is no small task. The reason we don't clone humans isn't because we can't, it's because you have to deal with 3-400 chernobyl-esque horrors before you get results. Abort the poor bastard, and give the kids a good belting too.

interesting theory... VERY interesting theory.

although, why would the girl want to hide the true parentage of the baby, unless there was an obvious advantage to it being this kid - or an equally obvious (dangerous? socially unacceptable??) reason she wouldn't want to name the real father.

ew. I hate where my brain just went...

Well, if I had to guess why (eww.. I think my brain just went where your brain went gross!!!), it'd be that the other b/f didn't want to have anything to do with her, so she went with the twerp for a number of reasons, have someone to share responsibility with, look like less of a slut, et cetera. That said, I know its fully possible the kid could have done it, but I kinda want him to be off the hook for this one.

I have to say my theory seems kind of unlikely, shes.. not very good looking, I think I might throw up now...

Of course theres still the alternate alternate theory of...

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.

PS: All you state / parent forced abortion people are f'ing fascists.

eerr...

Well, if I had to guess why (eww.. I think my brain just went where your brain went gross!!!), it'd be that the other b/f didn't want to have anything to do with her, so she went with the twerp for a number of reasons, have someone to share responsibility with, look like less of a slut, et cetera. That said, I know its fully possible the kid could have done it, but I kinda want him to be off the hook for this one.

I have to say my theory seems kind of unlikely, shes.. not very good looking, I think I might throw up now...

Of course theres still the alternate alternate theory of...

see, told you it was a nasty little place. sometimes, I don't like where my logic lands when it leaps!!

and you could say it leaped and landed near Arkansas... isn't that where the family tree only has 2 branches? :p (no offense intended to any Arkansasers out there - I'm quoting a comic I once heard)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?

Isn't the legal age of consent in Britain 16 anyway?

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.


that's why I said the issue to me isn't their age: until the 1800's, 15 was a pretty normal age to get married, (although 13 was a considered a bit young, even still, to father a child)...

but that was because the young man would be REQUIRED to provide for his wife as a full-time husband.

in any case: age not withstanding, did you see him?????? Ew. I mean - ew!!!!!!!!:eek: massive amounts of skin crawling!!

I'm sorry - at 15, I wouldn't have been caught dead eye-balling some guy who looked 8. ( quit with the eyebrows...I'm female ) Dating someone who was shorter than me was socially weird enough (which I did). I did date a guy who was exceedingly young looking, but his whole family was really short, and he had the decency to own a motorcycle, and have a body that looked 18, even if he had something of a babyface. And his voice had changed... this kid's voice hasn't even changed yet! EW!!!!

Fuck me but this is nasty. Just wrong, unpleasant and disturbing.

They should have been obliged to have an abortion, and save the state the expense of supporting their child.

Fuck this shit, I'm all for civil liberties, but creating life is no small task. The reason we don't clone humans isn't because we can't, it's because you have to deal with 3-400 chernobyl-esque horrors before you get results. Abort the poor bastard, and give the kids a good belting too.

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.

PS: All you state / parent forced abortion people are f'ing fascists.

FreeSatania is right, you guys are disgusting fascists.

I hope no one who voted for forced abortion has ever made a woman's body - woman's right to choose statement defending abortion rights. Because seriously, if you believe in a right to choose you have to believe in it BOTH WAYS. It's a double-edged sword that way.

Seriously, you are obviously NOT all for civil liberties at all, even remotely. You are for what is convenient for you and for what YOU think is right. There's a difference, ya know.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/nasiriyah110/responsible.jpg

Isn't the legal age of consent in Britain 16 anyway?

I think there are some weird double standards things. He could be prosecuted because she is 15 but she wouldn't be because he is 13 unless she was over 16. Though I doubt any prosecutions would happen in this case, though I suspect they might if the ages were reversed.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/nasiriyah110/responsible.jpg

chastity belt for the texting generation!

How come giving the baby for adoption isn't an option on the poll?

How come giving the baby for adoption isn't an option on the poll?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/3216773777_63a48c51bc.jpg

No morals at all in that boy's family! His dad had 9 whelps and is not with the boy's mom. It is all just a sick tangled knot of overspawning, illegitimacy, divorce, and pro-life nonsense.

What is the justification for some people to want to force the girl to have an abortion?

What is the justification for some people to want to force the girl to have an abortion?

Do you want to hear it? Really? Ignorance is bliss, sometimes, darling.

Isn't the legal age of consent in Britain 16 anyway?
Aye.

What is the justification for some people to want to force the girl to have an abortion?

Do we really need her baby in society? Really?

Do we really need her baby in society? Really?

Do we really need fascists in society?
Really?

well... let me be one of the rare to wish them luck and happiness.

Sterilize both the little bastards, the infant too.

What is the justification for some people to want to force the girl to have an abortion?Didn't you get the memo? Civil rights and equality can only be defended through the application of force and leaving all the important decisions to a small elite.

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd get the link to the 'Education requirement for the right to vote?' thread. Self-styled liberals who happily support a 'I'm right, and everyone who disagrees is to shut up and take it' attitude that'd make Mussolini proud are legion, here.

Sterilize both the little bastards, the infant too.'Consent' is no longer important, huh?

Hey, I happen to know a mullah who agrees with you, there...

Though, the young one, too? You really have to explain the whole euthanasia (Sort of) aspect to me, there.

Do we really need fascists in society?
Really?

That is mean. I am not a fascist. I am not even an Italian. I tried to learn Italian in college but I was soooooo drunk.

'Consent' is no longer important, huh?

Hey, I happen to know a mullah who agrees with you, there...

Though, the young one, too? You really have to explain the whole euthanasia (Sort of) aspect to me, there.

They're both clearly incredibly stupid, and thus oughtn't be breeding.

They're both clearly incredibly stupid, and thus oughtn't be breeding.Oh, alright then. How would you phrase the law concerning the forced sterilisation of stupid people? We already have 'Engaging in intercourse before the (Arbitrarily set) age of consent'. I presume a 'Not finshing highschool' paragraph would be fitting, too, though this may be out of the scope you're thinking of.

Any others?

They're both clearly incredibly stupid, and thus oughtn't be breeding.

I'm going to defend the 13 y/o and say he's just naive. The 15 y/o should know better. Not only is she an idiot and somewhat of a pedophile, but she completely led him astray. When you like someone at that young an age your emotions play tricks on you, and you'll go along with many things they say. Same goes for someone older than you. Put the two together, add stupidity on the other end, and you've got a recipie for disaster. I don't know the laws in the UK, but if it was here in the States I'd want her charged for 3rd-degree rape. The boy didn't understand what he was doing, the girl did.

Oh, alright then. How would you phrase the law concerning the forced sterilisation of stupid people? We already have 'Engaging in intercourse before the (Arbitrarily set) age of consent'. I presume a 'Not finshing highschool' paragraph would be fitting, too, though this may be out of the scope you're thinking of.

Any others?

I see no need to waste money forcibly sterilizing anyone in general. I do however think that egregious acts of stupidity ought result in said punishment. Of course I also think there ought be a licensing system before you're permitted to have children.

Too many little bastards in this world and far too many people who are completely ignorant popping them out.

That is mean. I am not a fascist. I am not even an Italian. I tried to learn Italian in college but I was soooooo drunk.

Even if you are neither Italian nor fascist (though I am not sure that one is a requisite for the other. . .), you are obviously an alcoholic.
Do we really need more alcoholics in society?

Dudes, 15 yo sleeping with 13 yo does not by any standards constitute pedophilia.

That's fucked up.

I know I'm a crotchety conservative American asshole, but please.

If you're 12, you shouldn't be having sex. Especially with a 15-year old.

If your 15, you really shouldn't have sex with a 12-year-old

And if you're going to do it anyway, you should at least use a bloody condom!
This isn't a story of why we need abortion. This is a story about why we need sex ed and stricter parents.

I'm going to defend the 13 y/o and say he's just naive. The 15 y/o should know better. Not only is she an idiot and somewhat of a pedophile, but she completely led him astray. When you like someone at that young an age your emotions play tricks on you, and you'll go along with many things they say. Same goes for someone older than you. Put the two together, add stupidity on the other end, and you've got a recipie for disaster. I don't know the laws in the UK, but if it was here in the States I'd want her charged for 3rd-degree rape. The boy didn't understand what he was doing, the girl did.I find this debatable. I remember myself as a twelve/ thirteen year old vividly eough - had I screwed around at that age, I'd very much have known what I was doing. And you bet that I had a desire to do so.

Was I mature enough for it (In a 'Have a decent sense of responsibility')? Well, no, most certainly not. But saying that the boy was ignorant is... Questionable.

I certainly don't get why the girl was attracted to him, but meh.

I'd treat it as a matter of 'Shouldn't happen, but did. Should be discouraged, but didn't work. Oh well, lets deal with it as is. Shit happens.'

And that's all there is to it.

Dudes, 15 yo sleeping with 13 yo does not by any standards constitute pedophilia.

But he doesn't actually look like a 12 yo.

That's fucked up.

I know I'm a crotchety conservative American asshole, but please.

If you're 12, you shouldn't be having sex. Especially with a 15-year old.

If your 15, you really shouldn't have sex with a 12-year-old

And if you're going to do it anyway, you should at least use a bloody condom!
This isn't a story of why we need abortion. This is a story about why we need sex ed and stricter parents.

If you are 12 it is your decision to have sex or not just as it is when you are an adult. If kids want to have sex that is fine, I do not think that strict parents are going to do anything but hurt the kids by interfering. However, it is pretty obvious that these kids did not use contraception and that is the heart of the problem. Were they embarrassed? If they were I am sure that strict parents were part of the problem not part of the solution.

PS - I am a conservative crotchedy American but I am a nice guy. We are part of a definite minority here on NSG. We are the grouchy conservative Americans. Maybe we could get some respect if we hyphenated our name somehow. The godless liberals love a good hyphenated names of minority it makes them get this warm fuzzy feeling. Damn liberals!

Dudes, 15 yo sleeping with 13 yo does not by any standards constitute pedophilia.

She fucked him before he went through puberty, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of pedophilia.

But he doesn't actually look like a 12 yo.

So? He looks like a baby in those pictures, but I'm sure he looks older/cooler at school with other kids.

Dudes, 15 yo sleeping with 13 yo does not by any standards constitute pedophilia.

There's a big difference developmentally. When I was 15, 13 year-olds were strictly off-limits. (Not to mention he was 12 at the time).

At 12, you know what sex is, but there's no where you're prepared for it. You'll also take any outside info as true. So if, and probably when his girlfriend said she wouldn't get pregnant, he took it as true.

She fucked him before he went through puberty, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of pedophilia.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you had to at least be in puberty to procreate. I mean, I don't really know, but that'd been my understanding.

She fucked him before he went through puberty, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of pedophilia.

A child cannot be a pedo. A child thinking that another child is hot is ok.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you had to at least be in puberty to procreate. I mean, I don't really know, but that'd been my understanding.

Puberty is a process. It is not like hey I woke up and then at around noon I passed through puberty.

There's a big difference developmentally. When I was 15, 13 year-olds were strictly off-limits. (Not to mention he was 12 at the time).

At 12, you know what sex is, but there's no where you're prepared for it. You'll also take any outside info as true. So if, and probably when his girlfriend said she wouldn't get pregnant, he took it as true.

You think at 15 she was any more prepared for it? There may be a big difference developmentally, but they are both still children.

Puberty is a process. It is not like hey I woke up and then at around noon I passed through puberty.

Right. And lots of kids going through puberty have sex. Or they did at my highschool.

A child cannot be a pedo. A child thinking that another child is hot is ok.

I'd be inclined to agree except that she's a couple years older than him, which at that age is really odd, also he looks very young. Hell he probably doesn't even have hair yet. Article says his voice hasn't changed. Anyone who finds that sexy is pretty solidly on the road to pedo.

You think at 15 she was any more prepared for it? There may be a big difference developmentally, but they are both still children.

I think she was most definitely more prepared for it. Children aren't like adults, where a 26 year old could date a 30 year old without anyone thinking it's creepy. But there's a huge developmental change between 12 and 15, and a three year age gap? That's not appropriate at all.

I think she was most definitely more prepared for it. Children aren't like adults, where a 26 year old could date a 30 year old without anyone thinking it's creepy. But there's a huge developmental change between 12 and 15, and a three year age gap? That's not appropriate at all.

Who are we to judge? Children are each different. This might not have been ok to you when you were their age. Maybe she was mentally and emotionally develloped at the level of a typical 13 year old.

I think she was most definitely more prepared for it. Children aren't like adults, where a 26 year old could date a 30 year old without anyone thinking it's creepy. But there's a huge developmental change between 12 and 15, and a three year age gap? That's not appropriate at all.

I appreciate the difference, truly. But none of the 15 year olds I've ever known were even REMOTELY ready for sex on an emotional and intellectual level.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?

Why bother with anything but Page 3?

Used in the front instead of the back, I'm sure this would perform a cheap and effective abortion for those of you inclined to want forced abortions without having to train a bunch of doctors.

http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0041414228322a.shtml

Used in the front instead of the back, I'm sure this would perform a cheap and effective abortion for those of you inclined to want forced abortions without having to train a bunch of doctors.

http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0041414228322a.shtml

I'm not sure most women are looking to get field dressed along with the abortion.

Okay, here we go. kidsgrowth.com puts a "declaration of independence" stage at 12 years of age, with an "age of rapid changes" at 14. That means this 15 y/o had completed or was nearing completion of several changes that differenciated her greatly from her former behavioral self, while the 12 y/o was taking steps to make himself more independent from his parents, and sexual relations with a girl older than him gave himself an opportunity to do just that. This girl essentially took advantage of this boy's developmental stage, perhaps unwittingly, to satisfy her romantic and sexual needs. (I say the latter only because I assume dating a 12 y/o is a last resort.)

http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=1137
http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/articledetail.cfm?id=1130

I appreciate the difference, truly. But none of the 15 year olds I've ever known were even REMOTELY ready for sex on an emotional and intellectual level.

I was very much in love when I was 14. I was totally ready then. I still am ready to have sex and I am 31! I will probably still be ready when I am 40 although maybe only after a nap.

Sterilize both the little bastards, the infant too.

You are not the intellectual liberal you portray yourself as.

She fucked him before he went through puberty, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of pedophilia.

Isn't one of the properties of puberty developing the ability to reproduce? If the kid was too young to have his warheads armed I doubt this news story would have happened in the first place.

This is why schools need to teach masturbation. The truly safe version of sex. You abstain while getting the pleasure of sex. No diseases, no unwanted pregnancies.

This is why schools need to teach masturbation. The truly safe version of sex. You abstain while getting the pleasure of sex. No diseases, no unwanted pregnancies.

Now multiply this couple by United States Population times Abstinence Only Education.

This Couple x American Population x Abstinence Only = More Behbies

Who are we to judge? Children are each different. This might not have been ok to you when you were their age. Maybe she was mentally and emotionally develloped at the level of a typical 13 year old.

Yeah, or maybe fucking a child is fucking a child, and children cannot consent, and we are "to judge" this for the same reason you are.

Now multiply this couple by United States Population times Abstinence Only Education.

This Couple x American Population x Abstinence Only = More Behbies

But you see, if people can get sexual release by their own hand or using a tool, there is no need for another person. Or better yet, encourage homosexual sex. A sure fire way of lowering the rate of teenage pregnancies. :D

Or better yet, encourage homosexual sex. A sure fire way of lowering the rate of teenage pregnancies. :D

Homosexuals have AIDS! Haven't you ever given blood?

Homosexuals have AIDS! Haven't you ever given blood?

I'm going to assume you're attempting to be sarcastic and ignore that this could be construed as "trolling". And no, I can't give blood because I take blood thinners.

Yeah, or maybe fucking a child is fucking a child, and children cannot consent, and we are "to judge" this for the same reason you are.

I do not understand what you are saying.

I do not understand what you are saying.

I don't believe I used any big words.

I'm going to assume you're attempting to be sarcastic and ignore that this could be construed as "trolling". And no, I can't give blood because I take blood thinners.

Yes she(?) is being sarcastic. Also funny.

Yes she(?) is being sarcastic. Also funny.

He if you please.

And in response: the blood drive asks you questions such as if you've had sex with a male who has had sex with a male since 1975 or something like that. But such explanations ruin the joke.

If you are 12 it is your decision to have sex or not just as it is when you are an adult. If kids want to have sex that is fine, I do not think that strict parents are going to do anything but hurt the kids by interfering. However, it is pretty obvious that these kids did not use contraception and that is the heart of the problem. Were they embarrassed? If they were I am sure that strict parents were part of the problem not part of the solution.

That's a valid point. I can live with that.

PS - I am a conservative crotchedy American but I am a nice guy. We are part of a definite minority here on NSG. We are the grouchy conservative Americans. Maybe we could get some respect if we hyphenated our name somehow. The godless liberals love a good hyphenated names of minority it makes them get this warm fuzzy feeling. Damn liberals!

I agree. 'Godless Liberal' is indeed quite fun to say. Perhaps we should be called the Ameri-Cons? It's the best thing I can come up with at the moment.

He looks about 8 and she looks about 19...Weird,lol..

And theyre not even minorities, lol...

And theyre not even minorities, lol...

/win

No one even bother posting anymore, this can't be topped.

I don't believe I used any big words.

Everyone is being so rude and or nasty today. Look, what you said makes no sense. It sounds like you think that if two kids have sex with each other they are both statutory rapists and the victims of statutory rape. Since I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that this is not what you meant, I let you know that I did not understand what you meant to say.

I agree. 'Godless Liberal' is indeed quite fun to say. Perhaps we should be called the Ameri-Cons? It's the best thing I can come up with at the moment.

Sounds good to me. How about Groucho-Americans?

Sounds good to me. How about Groucho-Americans?

Brilliant! It almost sounds like an ethnic group!

Brilliant! It almost sounds like an ethnic group!

sounds more like the adopted Marx brother.

He if you please.

And in response: the blood drive asks you questions such as if you've had sex with a male who has had sex with a male since 1975 or something like that. But such explanations ruin the joke.

You'll have to forgive me, but often my mind goes into another mod when I see certain remarks. I realise what you intended to mean, but I can't help but to go into auto-mod sometimes. :)

You'll have to forgive me, but often my mind goes into another mod when I see certain remarks. I realise what you intended to mean, but I can't help but to go into auto-mod sometimes. :)

That's what Barry pays you for right?

That's what Barry pays you for right?

Hah! I wish. NS mods are volunteers.

He looks about 8 and she looks about 19...Weird,lol..

And theyre not even minorities, lol...

She is clearly ginger

often my mind goes into another mod when I see certain remarks
I knew there was something strange about you people, but sharing minds? :eek:

I don't know about local laws, but in Italy this would have been considered pedophily AND statutory rape, and the girl would have been jailed.

Btw, some people are just too stupid. And the problem is that they reproduce faster and faster.

but they are both still children.

As they gave birth to a child, at least physiologically they're adults.

I knew there was something strange about you people, but sharing minds? :eek:

I hate typos like that. I had MEANT to write "auto mod". I'm never replying to anything when I'm on a sugar rush. Ever. Again.

I don't know about local laws, but in Italy this would have been considered pedophilia AND statutory rape, and the girl would have been jailed.

I'm not sure pedophilia would be a charge over here in America, but she definitely would have been charged with 3rd degree rape, which here is engaging in consensual intercourse with someone, but the victim doesn't fully understand what they're doing. This applies to mentally handicapped people, people under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or young children who don't understand the consequences. The latter, of course, would apply.

I just wanted to blame someone, so I blamed the parents and the kids. Totally fucking retarded.

I just wanted to blame someone

In that situation, you should just blame the Jews.

In that situation, you should just blame the Jews.

It's what we're here for.

Looking at the photo of him, I find it hard to believe that he's physically capable of impregnating someone. It doesn't look like he's anywhere near puberty yet & isn't that when sperm production begins? I can't help but think that the 15 year old mother may well have had sex with someone else. Also, I can't imagine why she'd want to have sex with a child anyway. :confused:

This is so sadneing - neither one has any real idea of what they are getting into, neither is truly capable of raising a child and I fully bleive that the parent are at fault for raising a pair of children that thought sex was okay at their ages.

He's 13. He scarcely looks 10. And according to a British tabloid, he's a father. Baby-faced and only 4 feet tall, the boy, Alfie, was just 12 when he impregnated Chantelle, now 15, The Sun reported Friday. Shown in a video posted Friday on the tabloid's Web site, the diminutive Alfie takes the newborn girl in his arms.

Asked what he would do to support the child financially, Alfie asks in a small, high-pitched voice, "What's financially?"
~snip~
Chantelle and Alfie have reportedly pledged to raise the child as best they can.

"We know we made a mistake but I wouldn't change it now," Chantelle was quoted by The Sun as saying.

Alfie's father, Dennis — who reportedly has nine children — said his son told him it was the first time he had sex. He was reportedly allowed to sleep over at the girl's house.

"It hasn't really dawned on him," Patten, 45, was quoted as saying in the paper.

"I will talk to him again and it will be the birds and bees talk," he said. "Some may say it's too late but he needs to understand so there is not another baby."


Too little too late!

They should have been forced to abort and the 15 year old should've been deported to Albania or Romania or some obscure island. AND GOD thats creepy given the way the kid looks esp. compared to the 15 YEAR OLD! Who let him date a 15 year old anyway?

A 15 year old knows full well what sex can lead to.

I'm wondering whether or not she's socially retarded... I mean, she's dating a 12 y/o, which shows a serious problem already, and it points to her not being able to relate to kids her age, plus her thinking having sex with him is okay, then thinking having a baby is okay.

The father is only 4 ft tall. :o
But the mother looks like she is large enough to give birth and the baby was 7 pounds so it was at least healthy.
It seems to me the only mistake they made was sex without birth control. (But we dont even know they did. Her pill could have failed) They did not find out about the pregnancy until 12weeks. Im not positive but I think at that point abortion was not an option. It's great that their parents are not throwing a big fit over this and kicking them out. That really wouldnt help the situation any.

I just wonder what a fifteen year old sees in a 12 or 13 year old? the other thing is, honestly this type of stuff has been happening in the states for years so it would not really be news here. I know kids who had kids at 13 in my hometown, not saying I condone it but it does happen. Until we stop making sex seem to be this huge great thing that everyone whose anyone does as young as they can, until we stop making toddler clothes that look like britney spears wannabe's this will keep happening.

"They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits. Alfie, who lives on an estate across town with mum Nicola, 43, spends most of his time at the Steadmans’ house." Bingo

Also, this is just fucked up. We should absolutely not be glorifying this behaviour
Last night Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion Christian charity LIFE, said: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.

what is the problem with allowing the baby who did not chose to be created, to live and putting it up for adoption to a family who could love and support it? there are so many loving appropriately aged couples who are financially and mentally able to support a child and would love to adopt? If they were against abortion, why not adoption? even open adoption? doesn't Britain do that?

He said it was the first time he’d had sex, that he didn’t know what he was doing and of the complications that could come.

“I will talk to him again and it will be the birds and the bees talk. Some may say it’s too late but he needs to understand so there is not another baby.”


“At the same time this is symptomatic of the over-sexualisation of our youngsters and shows the policy of value-free sex education just isn’t working.”

Yes. Clearly, this child has been overexposed to sex education from a young age.

I'm going to assume you're attempting to be sarcastic and ignore that this could be construed as "trolling". And no, I can't give blood because I take blood thinners.
How is that even remotely trolling? Surely the obvious joke is obvious?

Am I the only one who wonders if this story is even true?

Am I the only one who wonders if this story is even true?

It does seem a little too perfect to be true and its a tabloid there bottom line is depended on printing crap that sells with only minimal fact checking.(though that does seem to be increasingly becoming the norm)

I sort of thought that. And it's the The Sun...Is that actually a trusted news source?
I'm 14, I think that is really creepy for her to do that. I wouldn't ever go out or have sex with a kid that looked like that, and he doesn't even look 13. My 7 year old brother looks older than him lol Does anyone think that the girl might have a mental issue? What would make her want to do that with him. I'm siding with others in thinking it was another dad. Maybe she was raped by someone and doesn't want to say anything. Either way, I think they should give the baby up for a closed adoption. It would probably be best for that situation.

In that situation, you should just blame the Jews.

Poor Ruffy :(

It's not like they did a paternity test. There could be more to this story.

Also bear in mind that this story isn't that newsworthy, what puts this on the front page is that The Sun can run a picture of what looks like a 8 year old.

Assuming the kids' parents wanted one, the parents should have been allowed to forced an abortion: Aggicificicerous, Baleana, Kristoph Gavin, Pschycotic Pschycos, Purple Broken Hearts, The Atreidond Islands, VirginiaCooper, Void Templar

The state should have been allowed to force an abortion, even if nobody wanted one:
Baleana, Glorious Freedonia, Hotwife, Kristoph Gavin, Tanara, Void Templar



A convenient list of people I hope either don't live in the US, or don't vote! What a convenient reference point.

A child cannot be a pedo. A child thinking that another child is hot is ok.

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read.

If a 13-year-old engages in sexual acts with a five-year-old, that is not okay. That is child molestation. While I would not say this situation is quite of that caliber, in California at least this WOULD be illegal on her part. Children CAN abuse other children. Jesus.

It does seem a little too perfect to be true and its a tabloid there bottom line is depended on printing crap that sells with only minimal fact checking.(though that does seem to be increasingly becoming the norm)

Yea, the fact that the source is a tabloid (The same people who brought you Bigfoot marries Loch Ness, and illegal gray aliens) alone makes me doubt whether or not this story is legit.

Assuming the kids' parents wanted one, the parents should have been allowed to forced an abortion: Aggicificicerous, Baleana, Kristoph Gavin, Pschycotic Pschycos, Purple Broken Hearts, The Atreidond Islands, VirginiaCooper, Void Templar

The state should have been allowed to force an abortion, even if nobody wanted one:
Baleana, Glorious Freedonia, Hotwife, Kristoph Gavin, Tanara, Void Templar



A convenient list of people I hope either don't live in the US, or don't vote! What a convenient reference point.

Did you remember to subtract the names that voted for every option?

Btw, some people are just too stupid. And the problem is that they reproduce faster and faster.

Evolution. We can call it "Darwin's Revenge".

How is that even remotely trolling? Surely the obvious joke is obvious?

I never said it was; I said I was assuming it was meant to be sarcastic. Further, I have to think on both sides of the fence, and that it could have been easily taken to be seriously by someone unfamiliar with VirginiaCooper's posting style.

Evolution. We can call it "Darwin's Revenge".

Evil sod. How dare he manipulate the universe so that 200 years later some stupid people will have kids? That's just not cricket.

Evil sod. How dare he manipulate the universe so that 200 years later some stupid people will have kids? That's just not cricket.

His real last words were, most probably, "my death is only the beginning", plus some evil laughter.

As I've seen here before, I am glad the Conservatives have come out of the wood work to beat down those Godless Liberals, I mean really, Forced Abortions? Listen to you're selves... For gods sake. I hate Abortion. Period. But, I still think it should be legal for extreme cases, This, is not one of them. If I was the father of either of these I'd lock them away for years, as I am apposed to Pre-Marital Sex.

Just a side-note; I will not respond to any Islamo-Fascists.

As I've seen here before, I am glad the Conservatives have come out of the wood work to beat down those Godless Liberals, I mean really, Forced Abortions? Listen to you're selves... For gods sake. I hate Abortion. Period. But, I still think it should be legal for extreme cases, This, is not one of them. If I was the father of either of these I'd lock them away for years, as I am apposed to Pre-Marital Sex.

Just a side-note; I will not respond to any Islamo-Fascists.

Praise Allah! Someone else who opposes forced abortions!

EDIT - on a side note, you may want to edit out your "side note". In light of the other posts you've made, notably the one in the "Apologize to Bush" thread for which you received a warning.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?
Tragedy.

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.

PS: All you state / parent forced abortion people are f'ing fascists.
Romeo and Juliet were also fictional characters who were dead three days after they met.

That's fucked up.

I know I'm a crotchety conservative American asshole, but please.

If you're 12, you shouldn't be having sex. Especially with a 15-year old.

If your 15, you really shouldn't have sex with a 12-year-old

And if you're going to do it anyway, you should at least use a bloody condom!
This isn't a story of why we need abortion. This is a story about why we need sex ed and stricter parents.
A clean one out of the package would be safer, clearly. [/smartass]

I do not support forced abortions, I just put it as a poll option.

Romeo and Juliet were also fictional characters who were dead three days after they met.

Like the vast majority of Shakespeare's plays, they were based on real life situations.
It wasn't at all uncommon back then for people to marry young because they usually didn't live past 40.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out how a twelve year old knew what to do. I certainly wouldn't have known when I was twelve how to take it all the way. Unless the 15 year old knew and instructed him?

I'm strongly against forced abortions by any entity, state or otherwise, and really don't think abortion should be an option except in the case of rape or danger to the mother's life.

Like the vast majority of Shakespeare's plays, they were based on real life situations.
It wasn't at all uncommon back then for people to marry young because they usually didn't live past 40.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out how a twelve year old knew what to do. I certainly wouldn't have known when I was twelve how to take it all the way. Unless the 15 year old knew and instructed him?

I'm strongly against forced abortions by any entity, state or otherwise, and really don't think abortion should be an option except in the case of rape or danger to the mother's life.

now I'm wondering what was the situation that produced Midsummers... :p

Like the vast majority of Shakespeare's plays, they were based on real life situations.
It wasn't at all uncommon back then for people to marry young because they usually didn't live past 40.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out how a twelve year old knew what to do. I certainly wouldn't have known when I was twelve how to take it all the way. Unless the 15 year old knew and instructed him?

I'm strongly against forced abortions by any entity, state or otherwise, and really don't think abortion should be an option except in the case of rape or danger to the mother's life.

I saw a How-to video on the internet once.

"shes.. not very good looking"

Shes a British Girl form Sussex. nuff said. Im British myself, but Sussex has some bad tales when it comes to relationships and kids....

And please dont get pissed at that ppl, i didnt say ALL, i just said it has some bad tales. And just to be fair, feel free to make fun of where im from, good ol garden of England, Kent!

Like the vast majority of Shakespeare's plays, they were based on real life situations.
It wasn't at all uncommon back then for people to marry young because they usually didn't live past 40.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out how a twelve year old knew what to do. I certainly wouldn't have known when I was twelve how to take it all the way. Unless the 15 year old knew and instructed him?

I'm strongly against forced abortions by any entity, state or otherwise, and really don't think abortion should be an option except in the case of rape or danger to the mother's life.
what to do?

there isnt all that much technique required to get semen near enough to vagina to cause pregnancy.

Did you remember to subtract the names that voted for every option?

Yes. Or, at least, I tried to, but I've made a mistake once or twice before, so it's hypothetically possible that I did here, too, and missed some.

As I've seen here before, I am glad the Conservatives have come out of the wood work to beat down those Godless Liberals, I mean really, Forced Abortions? Listen to you're selves... For gods sake. I hate Abortion. Period. But, I still think it should be legal for extreme cases, This, is not one of them. If I was the father of either of these I'd lock them away for years, as I am apposed to Pre-Marital Sex.

Just a side-note; I will not respond to any Islamo-Fascists.

No true Liberal would support forced abortions. It goes against the entire basis of Liberalism. Doesn't really matter what you think about the legality of abortion, there is no liberal justification for forced abortion that I can think of. Period.

No true Liberal would support forced abortions.
Isn't that a fallacy? The No True Scotsman one?

Like the vast majority of Shakespeare's plays, they were based on real life situations.
It wasn't at all uncommon back then for people to marry young because they usually didn't live past 40.
These two aren't married, are they? And they don't have a life expectancy of only twenty or thirty, do they?

Also, looks like it was taken from earlier poems, the most recent of which was Romeus and Juliet by Albert Brooks.... not necessarily a true tale.

These two aren't married, are they? And they don't have a life expectancy of only twenty or thirty, do they?

Also, looks like it was taken from earlier poems, the most recent of which was Romeus and Juliet by Albert Brooks.... not necessarily a true tale.

Irrelevant to the topic (I don't really have much more to add at this point), but I just noticed you have a quote from me sigged. Bahaha, that's made my day.

Glad to see a few more people here (besides myself) taking issue with the whole forced abortion thing. Anyone who considers themselves a Liberal and then goes and condones something as backwards as forced abortions (or eugenics - yes one person here did in not som many words...) is a hypocrite. Believe it or not but some people still think that abortion is a sin - and 15 years old or not it's a reasonable point of view. You can't believe in forcing someone to do somthing which is against their conscience and call yourself a liberal.

When I was in high school a girl I was friends with (15) got teen pregnant, she gave it up for adoption. Her parents wanted her to get an abortion but she didn't want to. She even ran away from home for a while. In the end despite all the drama surrounding the event she managed ok.

Forced abortion is wrong, flat out. Under no circumstances can we force someone to get an abortion...that fundamentally violates the right to make that decision in the first place.

That being said, I do have a problem with the government providing money for them. They should either have to find a way to earn money to raise their child, get their parents to help, or put the child up for adoption. While they will quite likely be poor for the rest of their lives, which is probably going to be more than punishment enough, I really don't want my tax money going to support someone who will make a marginal contribution to society as a result of their decision. We can't afford it and there are far better things to spend money on than a subsidy for personal irresponsibility... although, come to think of it, the actions of our government in regard to the banking industry kind of throws that in to question. I guess government really does reward the least competent people in the country.

Maybe spending money on increased access to birth control is a far better idea than people seem to think. A stitch in time saves nine.

I can't be the only one who is questioning the legitimacy of this story, I just can't be....

I can't be the only one who is questioning the legitimacy of this story, I just can't be....

No sadly I don't find this hard to believe at all. In fact In a project I was working on, translating texts in old German Alemanish dialect (circa 1950), I came across one gentleman who had his first child at 11! I took a double-take at that one.

I can't be the only one who is questioning the legitimacy of this story, I just can't be....
When I was in middle school, one of my classmates was pregnant. So no, not unbelievable. Only very, very sad and disturbing.

No sadly I don't find this hard to believe at all. In fact In a project I was working on, translating texts in old German Alemanish dialect (circa 1950), I came across one gentleman who had his first child at 11! I took a double-take at that one.

When I was in middle school, one of my classmates was pregnant. So no, not unbelievable. Only very, very sad and disturbing.

So, when did The Sun become a reputable news source and not just a super market tabloid?

So, when did The Sun become a reputable news source and not just a super market tabloid?

When people started believing giving personnel experiences is evidence of proof?

The parents of these kids must be shit as well.

Assumption number one. Name one parrent who has complete control over their children's actions. "Blame the parrents" is a cheap cliche.

Oh, and whoever was talking about forced abortions, that would be an appalling violation of various rights. You are talking about an invasive, potentially dangerous medical procedure being involuntarilly conducted.

As for child wellfair taking the baby, that might or might not be warranted. Depends if their's someone in the familly willing to and capable of raising the child in a decent environment.

The girl, however, sounds like a pedophile. I know they're not that far apart, but at that age, two or three years is a lot. And he's supposed to look young for his age. However, I don't want to jump to assumptions. I hope this happened in a place where this won't destroy both children's lives by landing them in jail and on the sex offender registry.

Assumption number one. Name one parrent who has complete control over their children's actions. "Blame the parrents" is a cheap cliche.


So is asking a question like that. Just because nobody has complete control, doesn't mean some people can't have more control than others.

So is asking a question like that. Just because nobody has complete control, doesn't mean some people can't have more control than others.

It only takes one five-minute sexual encounter to get pregnant, in theory. Do you propose that 13 year olds should never be out of their parrent's sight?

If a minor becomes preagnant, even in their early teens, it doesn't inherrently follow that their parrents are bad/incapable. If you can show evidence to the contrary (not bloody likely), or show evidence that the particular parrents in question did anything wrong, then that's something else. If, for example, they were letting the kids go out alone at night and get drunk, or something.

When people started believing giving personnel experiences is evidence of proof?

Apparently, I'm sorry but I'm calling this false until someone gets a better news source than the one that brought you the ground breaking story of how Reagan was actually a Reptilian alien from the planet Gxxytzoid.

This is a very sad story indeed God help them.

*prays*

Apparently, I'm sorry but I'm calling this false until someone gets a better news source than the one that brought you the ground breaking story of how Reagan was actually a Reptilian alien from the planet Gxxytzoid.

It's true... Political leaders have been jumping on it as an issue. They wouldn't do that without having checked with some cursory research first (and it's pretty easy to check the facts on this one, I would think, through medical records and birth certificates)

However - without a DNA test, she could always be fibbing....

It only takes one five-minute sexual encounter to get pregnant, in theory. Do you propose that 13 year olds should never be out of their parrent's sight?


It's not JUST that. Read the article.

I'm a bit surprised that everyone is so surprised. 13 isn't uncommonly young to be sexually active.

I'm a bit surprised that everyone is so surprised. 13 isn't uncommonly young to be sexually active.

He was 12 when he got her pregnant. He looks 6.

now I'm wondering what was the situation that produced Midsummers... :p

The wedding between the Duke of Athens and the Queen of the Amazonians of course.

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.

Romeo and Juliet didn't have a child they committed suicide.

I think there are some weird double standards things. He could be prosecuted because she is 15 but she wouldn't be because he is 13 unless she was over 16. Though I doubt any prosecutions would happen in this case, though I suspect they might if the ages were reversed.

It would be interesting to see what the papers would be saying and people's reaction if they were.

Apparently, I'm sorry but I'm calling this false until someone gets a better news source than the one that brought you the ground breaking story of how Reagan was actually a Reptilian alien from the planet Gxxytzoid.

I don't know Wilgrove will this do?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/14/boy.baby.dad.england/

Also WTF?

Teenage dad not to be prosecuted

Surely if anyone was to be prosecuted it would be the 15 year old?

But I suppose since she is female he must have been the one who was tricked into having sex. :rolleyes:

http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/15/stories/2009021555271300.htm

Also WTF?

Teenage dad not to be prosecuted

Surely if anyone was to be prosecuted it would be the 15 year old?

But I suppose since she is female he must have been the one who was tricked into having sex. :rolleyes:

http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/15/stories/2009021555271300.htm

I doubt the woman would ever be prosecuted; she is the one who has to carry the child and take care of it if the dad leaves.

I don't know Wilgrove will this do?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/14/boy.baby.dad.england/

Thank you, and what's wrong with not accepting super market tabloids as reputable sources?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?


Teenagers:
Responisbility and practicality...out, breeding early and practically damning their precious prodigy to a life of destitution, poverty and dysfunction...IN! :(

The parents of these kids must be shit as well.
The kids are being supported by their parents - who are already being supported by the state with their 16 combined kids.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Well, not quite, but that's pretty fucked up. Although it says he's 13, he looks more like 7 -

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

Thoughts?

He should be charged with statutory rape and have the full and severe force of the law come down on him. That would set an example to the young people of Britain, and perhaps help make a start on bringing down the teen pregnancy rate over there.

The thing is, the baby is gonna be able to beat it's father up in like 3 years.

He should be charged with statutory rape and have the full and severe force of the law come down on him. That would set an example to the young people of Britain, and perhaps help make a start on bringing down the teen pregnancy rate over there.

Naw, then it would just make underaged sex the Next In Thing to Do. Sort of like how Prohibition and the fatwa on Salman Rushdie worked as effective deterrents.

Thoughts?
Thoughts? Strange coinkydink.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/689049.html
And not a happy one. :(

what's wrong with not accepting super market tabloids as reputable sources?

It's silly.

Thank you, and what's wrong with not accepting super market tabloids as reputable sources?

The Sun isn't a supermarket tabloid. British tabloids and American supermarket tabloids are very different forms of media.

He should be charged with statutory rape and have the full and severe force of the law come down on him. That would set an example to the young people of Britain, and perhaps help make a start on bringing down the teen pregnancy rate over there.

I hope that you are being sarcastic with this remark.

After all she fucked him.

I doubt the woman would ever be prosecuted; she is the one who has to carry the child and take care of it if the dad leaves.

Yep because mothers never leave :rolleyes:

And nothing to do with the fact that she was three years older than him, and would have had a greater understanding of what was going on than him.

But hey males can't be raped can they? :rolleyes:

2 others have turned up claiming to be the baby's father: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090215/tuk-boy-may-not-be-baby-s-father-dba1618.html

2 others have turned up claiming to be the baby's father: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090215/tuk-boy-may-not-be-baby-s-father-dba1618.html

Oh man, with the parents consent...:eek: thats the most f'ed up part about all of this. Not to put to fine a point on this but it seems Ma and Pa kettle here raised their daughter to be a slut.

if she had been shagging bone-idle 19 year old chavs like a normal 15 year old none of this would of happened

2 others have turned up claiming to be the baby's father: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090215/tuk-boy-may-not-be-baby-s-father-dba1618.html

Richard Goodsell, 16, told a Sunday paper that he also shared a bed with the teenager at her home in Eastbourne, East Sussex, at around the time she became pregnant.

if the babies retarded its his.

So, when did The Sun become a reputable news source and not just a super market tabloid?
Is Reuters acceptable to you?
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE51C4JR20090213

Thank you, and what's wrong with not accepting super market tabloids as reputable sources?
What's wrong with you googling it to check the source yourself if you're going to pooh pooh it.

Broken clocks are right twice a day, you know.

I hope that you are being sarcastic with this remark.

After all she fucked him.

No, I should have made myself clearer back then. I would have the both of them charged with statutory rape.

Naw, then it would just make underaged sex the Next In Thing to Do. Sort of like how Prohibition and the fatwa on Salman Rushdie worked as effective deterrents.

Well then bring the full force of the law down on them as well. In some countries, people who have been charged with statutory rape have even been put on sex offenders lists; that would be a very strong deterrent.

No, I should have made myself clearer back then. I would have the both of them charged with statutory rape.



Well then bring the full force of the law down on them as well. In some countries, people who have been charged with statutory rape have even been put on sex offenders lists; that would be a very strong deterrent.

Statutory Rape is a bogus law. The US has enough people in prisons. Why bring in more nonviolent criminals?

I know for people like you, stopping non-married people from fucking is of paramount importance, but to most of us, our priorities do not include what consenting individuals do in the privacy of their own home.

No, I should have made myself clearer back then. I would have the both of them charged with statutory rape.



Well then bring the full force of the law down on them as well. In some countries, people who have been charged with statutory rape have even been put on sex offenders lists; that would be a very strong deterrent.

Because, after all, the government has nothing better to do than intervene in what, you cannot deny, is consensual sex? Your concern for the moral health of the world does you immense credit.

I know for people like you, stopping non-married people from fucking is of paramount importance, but to most of us, our priorities do not include what consenting individuals do in the privacy of their own home.

Actually, it isn't on the basis of stopping non-married people from having sex (to be honest, I don't care who, within a heterosexual context, has sex, so long as they accept the consequences and so long as they are over the legal age); it is on the basis of respect for the law. If the law says don't have sex with people under 16, and the authorities do not prosecute, then it sends a message to the population - the authorities have ceased caring about the law. Send a message about minor offences, and you see an impact.

My, My every one is all up in arms about something which has been happening since forever. Romeo an Juliet were 14 people... shit happens. I wish the happy couple the best of luck, they'll need it.

PS: All you state / parent forced abortion people are f'ing fascists.
At last! The idea of enforced abortions is ten times scarier than the situation between these two kids. Besides, they have families to take care of them. It'll be tough as hell but since when was life easy?

Actually, it isn't on the basis of stopping non-married people from having sex (to be honest, I don't care who, within a heterosexual context, has sex, so long as they accept the consequences and so long as they are over the legal age); it is on the basis of respect for the law. If the law says don't have sex with people under 16, and the authorities do not prosecute, then it sends a message to the population - the authorities have ceased caring about the law. Send a message about minor offences, and you see an impact.

Do you not discern a certain genuflection in such regard for law? Call me arrogant if you will, but where personal matters are concerned, provided they have no bearing on others, I see no reason for government to interfere at all.

Actually, it isn't on the basis of stopping non-married people from having sex (to be honest, I don't care who, within a heterosexual context, has sex, so long as they accept the consequences and so long as they are over the legal age);


I snorted beer out my nose that you felt the need to clarify that your only ok with sex if its in a heterosexual context. Thank you.

it is on the basis of respect for the law. If the law says don't have sex with people under 16, and the authorities do not prosecute, then it sends a message to the population - the authorities have ceased caring about the law. Send a message about minor offences, and you see an impact.

Except you implied that the punishment should be harsher. So, you do care that they had sex.

Yep because mothers never leave :rolleyes:

Not while they are pregnant.

And nothing to do with the fact that she was three years older than him, and would have had a greater understanding of what was going on than him.

I am sure he knew what he was doing. Just because his face is young does not mean he is actually 6.

But hey males can't be raped can they? :rolleyes:

Are you saying that is what we are dealing with?

Except you implied that the punishment should be harsher. So, you do care that they had sex.

The comment should read like this

Except you implied that the punishment should be harsher. So, you do care that they had underage sex.

The comment should read like this

Except you implied that the punishment should be harsher. So, you do care that they had underage sex.

Knights of Liberty is not of the opinion that the government should determine things like that, and does not believe laws should be followed when they are oppressive.

You, on the other hand....

Except you implied that the punishment should be harsher. So, you do care that they had underage sex.

So what bothers you? That they broke the law (which is a law made of fail), or that those damn kids had dirty sex?

The sex offenders list should be reserved for real child molesters. You know, those guys who are actually a threat to the community. Its fucking disgusting that we have people who had consensual sex on the same list as child rapists.

Its fucking disgusting that we have people who had consensual sex on the same list as child rapists.

But! it is a strong deterrent!

But! it is a strong deterrent!

Right... just like how the Gun Registry in Canada prevents guns from falling into the hands of criminals.

So what bothers you? That they broke the law (which is a law made of fail), or that those damn kids had dirty sex?

The fact that they broke the law. The law is there for a reason, and the idea behind having minimum sex ages is to protect children.

The sex offenders list should be reserved for real child molesters. You know, those guys who are actually a threat to the community. Its fucking disgusting that we have people who had consensual sex on the same list as child rapists.

In my view it isn't; after all, at least legally, it wasn't consensual since you can't consent to sex if you are underage.

Unlike you, I at least believe that the law should be followed because it has been put there for a reason.

In my view it isn't; after all, at least legally, it wasn't consensual since you can't consent to sex if you are underage.

And this is one of those times when "legally" is divorced from reality.


Unlike you, I at least believe that the law should be followed because it has been put there for a reason.

Yeah, it was put there to stop teenagers from fucking. It was moralist legistlation.

I don't even wanna think about it. It's probably illegal to think about it in some places. :tongue:It is illegal to even believe such can story exist in China.

Well, as we all can see THEY are NOT kids. So I refuse to vote on the polls. Also, those TEENS needed at least 5 minutes to perform the act. WHERE THE HELL WHERE THE PARENTS? One more thing, they want to be parents early, fine, they should make them take the full responsibility for it then, like WORKING after school some place, even if it is only part time. NOBODY would hire them, fine, give the mother and the father something to do at home right after school. Put them to cut grass or something. They don't know what the whole responsibility thing was, fine, they have now plenty of time to fully understand it. I also believe those parents are just too dam irresponsible, or did a horrible job at raising those teens.

And this is one of those times when "legally" is divorced from reality.

So? The law is still the law, and the punishments provided for in the law should still be given. Irrespective of your opinion on the law, the two people involved should still be punished because they broke the law - why should they get away with a crime? All that does is undermine the law, and encourages steps towards a semi-anarchist society.

Yeah, it was put there to stop teenagers from fucking. It was moralist legistlation.

Hang on a second, I am of the view that it was put in place to protect children, particularly from the consequences of sex. For starters, I doubt that a 12 year old can truly consent to having sex with let us say a 53 year old, and also, while that 12 year old may be physically developed, they are still not mentally developed, least of all to have children.

Hang on a second, I am of the view that it was put in place to protect children, particularly from the consequences of sex. For starters, I doubt that a 12 year old can truly consent to having sex with let us say a 53 year old, and also, while that 12 year old may be physically developed, they are still not mentally developed, least of all to have children.
You arn't going to stop two 'underage' teenagers from having sex. Thinking a law is going to stop it is like pretending they won't do it if you don't let them have condoms or education.

No, I should have made myself clearer back then. I would have the both of them charged with statutory rape.

Well at least you are consistent.

I snorted beer out my nose that you felt the need to clarify that your only ok with sex if its in a heterosexual context. Thank you.

You too?

Well in my case it wasn't beer it was a glass of cold milo. Shame I spilt it on a mate's laptop.

Well, as we all can see THEY are NOT kids. So I refuse to vote on the polls. Also, those TEENS needed at least 5 minutes to perform the act. WHERE THE HELL WHERE THE PARENTS? One more thing, they want to be parents early, fine, they should make them take the full responsibility for it then, like WORKING after school some place, even if it is only part time. NOBODY would hire them, fine, give the mother and the father something to do at home right after school. Put them to cut grass or something. They don't know what the whole responsibility thing was, fine, they have now plenty of time to fully understand it. I also believe those parents are just too dam irresponsible, or did a horrible job at raising those teens.

5 minutes, well somebody has stamina :p

I do get a bit sick and tired of this implication that parents should be watching over the kid 24/7 it just isn't possible to do. I certainly hope your parents were watching you 24/7 if not then perhaps your parents are bad parents.

Not while they are pregnant.

What so fathers will only leave when the mother is pregnant? :confused:

I am sure he knew what he was doing. Just because his face is young does not mean he is actually 6.
Maybe he did, maybe she coerced him into the act, the same way that when a 16 year old girl has sex with a 20 year old guy and only he is prosecuted why? Not because she knew what she was doing but because she was underage. Now the fact of the matter is that she was three years older than him and she would have much more awareness than her. Saying that she shouldn't be prosecuted because she got pregnant is a pretty stupid thing to say. Would you say the same thing if she was 20 and not 15? Saying that women can't be prosecuted in cases like this because she is a female is worse than saying that two 14 year olds should be placed on a sex offenders register because they are both underage.

Are you saying that is what we are dealing with?

No, but your comments implied that statement.

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read.

If a 13-year-old engages in sexual acts with a five-year-old, that is not okay. That is child molestation. While I would not say this situation is quite of that caliber, in California at least this WOULD be illegal on her part. Children CAN abuse other children. Jesus.

Yeah the 13 and 5 thing is bad. I am not sure where the line should be drawn though.

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/16/13-year-old-dad-may-not-be-father-after-all/

13-Year-Old Dad May Not Be Father After All
On Sunday, 16-year-old Richard Goodsell came forward to say that he thought there was a very good chance Maisie was his. "I know I could be the father. Everyone thinks I am. My friends all tell me that baby has my eyes -- even my mum thinks so," he told News of the World. Richard is demanding a DNA test.

He's not the only one.

Since Alfie and Chantelle shared their story in The Sun, yet another teen, Tyler Barker, 14, has come forward to say Maisie could be his. Several other boys have said they, too, have had sex with Chantelle.
What a slut.

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/16/13-year-old-dad-may-not-be-father-after-all/



What a slut.

So you judge people just by what the papers claim? Wow.

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/02/16/13-year-old-dad-may-not-be-father-after-all/



What a slut.
Ahh yes, blaming a 14 year old girl for "getting herself pregnant" because she's a slut.

Fun times.

Through my window I have observed a small child eating an ice cream cone. After you're done calling little girls 'sluts,' perhaps you'd like to join me in stealing a child's ice cream treat?

Well, as we all can see THEY are NOT kids.
How do you figure that?

What, because they had sex? Sex makes you a grown up now?

So I assume you think that they should be legally allowed to drive, vote, buy booze, maybe even get drafted, eh?

Look, these are BOTH kids. It makes most of us feel icky to think about it, but sometimes kids have sexual contact. Sometimes kids have sex with each other. Sometimes kids are raped by adults. Sex doesn't turn a kid into an adult.

If you ignore the fact that these two young people were children AND REMAIN CHILDREN, then you're not being helpful. Which means all your comments are just because you want to yell and scream about your own personal, petty hangups and use these kids as props. Which is what most people are doing, to be fair, it just remains a shitty and lame thing to do.

5 minutes, well somebody has stamina :p

I do get a bit sick and tired of this implication that parents should be watching over the kid 24/7 it just isn't possible to do. I certainly hope your parents were watching you 24/7 if not then perhaps your parents are bad parents.

Besides it is creepy to watch your teenagers have sex!

How do you figure that?

What, because they had sex? Sex makes you a grown up now?

So I assume you think that they should be legally allowed to drive, vote, buy booze, maybe even get drafted, eh?

Look, these are BOTH kids. It makes most of us feel icky to think about it, but sometimes kids have sexual contact. Sometimes kids have sex with each other. Sometimes kids are raped by adults. Sex doesn't turn a kid into an adult.

If you ignore the fact that these two young people were children AND REMAIN CHILDREN, then you're not being helpful. Which means all your comments are just because you want to yell and scream about your own personal, petty hangups and use these kids as props. Which is what most people are doing, to be fair, it just remains a shitty and lame thing to do.

But have not you ever heard that, "You aren't a man until you've ahem (sexually intercoursed) a (insert particular ethnic group) woman"?

But have not you ever heard that, "You aren't a man until you've ahem (sexually intercoursed) a (insert particular ethnic group) woman"?

Sure. But have you ever met a real man who said that? ;)

But have not you ever heard that, "You aren't a man until you've ahem (sexually intercoursed) a (insert particular ethnic group) woman"?

Man theres a lot of that shit going around. You aint a man until you have farthered a daughter, or you aint a man until youhave shagged a man, or you aint a man until you have down 25 pints. Meh! is what I say.

Man theres a lot of that shit going around. You aint a man until you have farthered a daughter, or you aint a man until youhave shagged a man, or you aint a man until you have down 25 pints. Meh! is what I say.
The only guys who need to prove their manhood are the ones who aren't men yet.

What, because they had sex? Sex makes you a grown up now?.

In some countries having children can make you an adult legally before the normal legal age, yes. Usually even that caps at a minimal age of 16 though.

Then again, I do not believe that that was the point of the original poster.

In some countries having children can make you an adult legally before the normal legal age, yes. Usually even that caps at a minimal age of 16 though.

In some countries a girl is considered an adult when she is sold into marriage by her father.

I think we can all agree that legislation is not an entirely reliable way to define adulthood.


Then again, I do not believe that that was the point of the original poster.
Exactly.

I think he DOES believe that once you've put a penis into a vagina you suddenly have popped the balloon of childhood.

Let's make legislation reflect this, eh? Any kid who fucks gets to vote, but virgins remain disenfranchised.

Let's make legislation reflect this, eh? Any kid who fucks gets to vote, but virgins remain disenfranchised.

Can't just take their word for it though. Voter registration will have to entail having sex before witnesses.

The only guys who need to prove their manhood are the ones who aren't men yet.

That is right.

In some countries a girl is considered an adult when she is sold into marriage by her father.

I think we can all agree that legislation is not an entirely reliable way to define adulthood.


Exactly.

I think he DOES believe that once you've put a penis into a vagina you suddenly have popped the balloon of childhood.

Let's make legislation reflect this, eh? Any kid who fucks gets to vote, but virgins remain disenfranchised.

Well if they cant even get laid why should they have any say in how the country is run? You actually raise a good although offensive point.

According to Jewish tradition boys become men at age 13. It is a good thing that this boy was a goy because he would look like one freaking young Jewish man.

Can't just take their word for it though. Voter registration will have to entail having sex before witnesses.

There are some fugly people in my town if they had to prove their nonvirginity to witnesses the rate of blindness would skyrocket.

Can I also just say....EEEEEW at the creepy-ass poll for this thread?! People actually voted for forced abortion.

$50 says that the people who voted yea on those force abortion options would be the exact same people who'd try to call me "pro-abortion" in an abortion debate thread.

[comment about a heap of other young boys coming forward claiming fatherhood and even demanding DNS tests

Wow. I think if I were a boy, and in that age group and situation, I'd shut the fuck up and hope nobody'd ever try out the thought that I might be the father. Am I seeing it correctly that these boys are basically vying for the father's responsibilities to be dumped on them?

I mean, three cheers for a sense of responsibility, if that is what it is (I'm doubtful), but I think at that age, I'd just have dodged it where I could.

ETA: One boy is cited saying the he fears he might be the father of the child because he slept in the same bed as the young mother. Either he was too whatever to properly name sex, or the state of his sex education needs some serious looking-into.

Can I also just say....EEEEEW at the creepy-ass poll for this thread?! People actually voted for forced abortion.

$50 says that the people who voted yea on those force abortion options would be the exact same people who'd try to call me "pro-abortion" in an abortion debate thread.

The only moral abortion is my abortion...and ones I can force on filthy teenage sluts.

The poll should have another option: "Those kids' parents should have had abortions"... ;)

It might be an idea to note this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2238066.ece) story as well. Despite society's preconceptions about how repsonsible people of certain age groups can be, I think it's reasonable to say that at least when it comes to trying to help out, Alfie is arguably more responsible than Dennis, a 45-year-old who left the family to go out with someone 21 years old; the age gap's bigger than the younger partner's age. They're both above the age of consent, but I think it really says something about age of consent when that would be allowed yet sex between someone just above age of consent and someone just below age of consent isn't.