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Barman tried over fatal tequila

A Berlin barman has gone on trial accused of having served a 16-year-old boy 45 tequila shots, which killed him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7883752.stm?lss

45 shots? Really? Discuss!

How could you still be standing at 45?

How could you still be standing at 45?
Therein lay the problem.

How could you still be standing at 45?

Powered exoskeleton?

Their definition of shot must be different. There's no way a 16 year old kid would of still been upright after 10. Probably not 5.

Their definition of shot must be different. There's no way a 16 year old kid would of still been upright after 10. Probably not 5.
I dunno, I did about 15 at the time and was just very sick.

Therein lay the problem.

You'd have to pour it down their throat or something. While they were unconscious.

How could you still be standing at 45?

if you drink em quick enough you can stand for a bit after wards. Then the alcohol kicks in and you die. To be honest the bartender should have stopped at 12 and dubbed it a draw.

I dunno, I did about 15 at the time and was just very sick.

Yeah but brits are a bunch of fucking drunks, you'd probably been drinking since you were two.

Yeah but brits are a bunch of fucking drunks
I dunno, I think I'm an especially bad case :tongue:
you'd probably been drinking since you were two.
Nah, only really started at 16.

I dunno, I did about 15 at the time and was just very sick.

Could you have downed 45 though?

A little research (aka wiki) has told me that german shots are slightly less than the ones I'd be used to. Them german shots clock in at 20ml, as opposed the British/Irish 35ml standard. So 20x45 = 900ml. Nice.

Could you have downed 45 though?
Probably not, no. Another pertinent question would be "how many limes did this bartender have, and did the vast quantities of salt contribute to this kid's death, assuming they were doing slammers".

I just realised the title is another hilarious Yootopia play on words thread.

Probably not, no. Another pertinent question would be "how many limes did this bartender have, and did the vast quantities of salt contribute to this kid's death, assuming they were doing slammers".

Apparently the bartender was just pouring water over himself, according to the article.

if you drink em quick enough you can stand for a bit after wards. Then the alcohol kicks in and you die.

Yep.

I just realised the title is another hilarious Yootopia play on words thread.
Oh good :tongue:

Apparently the bartender was just pouring water over himself, according to the article.

It would have been quite the hillarious prank, except for all the death and stuff.

Oh good :tongue:

Remember the Georgia one? That was epic, and had a hilariously witty title, but then the mods changed it. :(. I wasn't a happy bunny.

It would have been quite the hillarious prank, except for all the death and stuff.

*Lad gets pissed*
"Alright, your turn"
*Bartender lobs water over his face, repeats this several times*
"How the fuck do you do this?"
"Magic"
*Throws more water*
*Kid dies*

It would have been quite the hillarious prank, except for all the death and stuff.

Yep. Horrifically drunk kids are hilarious. Dead ones not so much. *nod*

It would have been quite the hillarious prank, except for all the death and stuff.
Often the way, sadly.
Remember the Georgia one? That was epic, and had a hilariously witty title, but then the mods changed it. :(. I wasn't a happy bunny.
That's when I learned that the mods basically hate freedom to get their sick thrills, aye.

if you drink em quick enough you can stand for a bit after wards. Then the alcohol kicks in and you die. To be honest the bartender should have stopped at 12 and dubbed it a draw.

But surely in the time it takes for you to drink 45 shots, you're already smashed?

But surely in the time it takes for you to drink 45 shots, you're already smashed?
I dunno, I can neck about ten German-sized ones in a minute if I've had a few to drink before (albeit provided they don't all taste the same, or horrible).

Easy to get started on a couple and neck the rest really pretty quickly if you're a cocky teenager trying to prove how manly you are, I suppose.

A drinking match ... with liquor? Argh.

Downing shots of water when the kid thinks you are actually drinking with him.... that's fucked up. That guy is a douche.

This link says he was the owner (http://guanabee.com/2009/02/berlin-bartender-aytac-g-on-trial-for-killing-16-year-old-with-45-tequila-shots#more-12821)

'The bar owner, who is known to the press simply as Aytac G., admits to engaging in a drinking contest with the high school student known as Lucas that landed him in a coma for five weeks and ultimately killed him. Aytac fooled Lucas by serving himself water while the boy consumed 45 shots of tequila in an hour which raised his blood alcohol level to .44 percent. Also charged were an 18 year-old, a 17 year-old and a 21 year-old patron who participated in fooling the boy.'

But surely in the time it takes for you to drink 45 shots, you're already smashed?

Exactly what greed and dead said. Liquor is too freakin strong.. you don't drink liquor like beer. Drinking matches are stupid anyway, but with beer your stomach would get full and you wouldn't be able to consume enough in that short of a period to die from it. With beer you would end up passing out unless you were doing cocaine or something with it. Even then you'd still not get to no .44 on beer .. your ass would black out long before.

A little research (aka wiki) has told me that german shots are slightly less than the ones I'd be used to. Them german shots clock in at 20ml, as opposed the British/Irish 35ml standard. So 20x45 = 900ml. Nice.


So a 5th. My god. =(

Their definition of shot must be different. There's no way a 16 year old kid would of still been upright after 10. Probably not 5.
20ml per shot.

However, if you drink 45 of'em you still end up a little short of a liter of whatever you drink. That's quite a lot!
if you drink em quick enough you can stand for a bit after wards. Then the alcohol kicks in and you die. To be honest the bartender should have stopped at 12 and dubbed it a draw.
The bartender should never have started since serving that kind of alcohol to minors is prohibited.
Beer at 16, hard liquor at 18.

He broke the law and someone died because of it.
Could you have downed 45 though?
Shouldn't the question be: "... and survived?"
A little research (aka wiki) has told me that german shots are slightly less than the ones I'd be used to. Them german shots clock in at 20ml, as opposed the British/Irish 35ml standard. So 20x45 = 900ml. Nice.
Oh. Yeah. Beat me to it.

However, nice only when you don't drink all that booze at once.

DAMN!! :eek:

Who let that guy have a Liquor License?

he would of been alright if he'd done it with lemon powder >_>

I dunno, I did about 15 at the time and was just very sick.

pussy. *remembers that I have 2 bottles sitting in my room*

Exactly what greed and dead said. Liquor is too freakin strong.. you don't drink liquor like beer.

actually as a liquor man I can get absolutely plastered when I resort to pints :)

With beer you would end up passing out unless you were doing cocaine or something with it.

what kind of cocaine have you been taking (god NS makes me sound like a coke head)

he would of been alright if he'd done it with lemon powder >_>



pussy. *remembers that I have 2 bottles sitting in my room*



actually as a liquor man I can get absolutely plastered when I resort to pints :)



what kind of cocaine have you been taking (god NS makes me sound like a coke head)

Meant you don't drink liquor as fast as you drink beer .. the quantity in the time you drink beer. Take a big ole cup of beer one can drink in 30 min easy, that much liquor one shouldn't even drink the entire time heh. It's dangerous. The cocaine was a long time ago, but I could easily stay up all night when drinking .. but I probably slowed down when I began getting jacked up.. I can't remember.

Yep.

though German shots were small and 45 German shots are only worth about 20 American shots.

that much liquor one shouldn't even drink the entire time heh.

well it depends on the liquor :wink:

Two men aged 18 and 21, who encouraged the 16-year-old to down the tequilas, were sentenced in November to complete a compulsory social training course.
I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what goes on in a German Compulsory Social Training Course.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what goes on in a German Compulsory Social Training Course.

I suspect the curriculum has changed somewhat since the late 30s. I hope.

:p

:eek:

:D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7883752.stm?lss

45 shots? Really? Discuss!

A 14 year old girl (http://static.iltalehti.fi/tampere/juttunora1102LR_te.jpg) here drank - by herself, alone in the woods - 0.5 litres of 80% (alcvol) vodka, passed out and either froze to death or died from the alcohol itself.


For that matter...Another 16 year old girl was recently found passed out with 4.1 permille blood alcohol content - That's roughly 30 shots (2 cl) of 40% alcohol, but then again she survived.

Go team Finland!

I suspect the curriculum has changed somewhat since the late 30s. I hope.

:p

:eek:

:D
It has. And while that might be a good thing, what it is right now is ridiculous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7883752.stm?lss

45 shots? Really? Discuss!

Serving anyone that much is unprofessional (ie sackable) and criminal.

It certainly is here in Australia. You legally can't serve a drunk, though of course it happens. It comes down to the barkeep's discretion as to what is "intoxicated."

If you'd just served someone 15 shots, surely you would know that they were or were about to become "intoxicated" just from what you had served them. And you don't know their medical conditions, any other drugs they may have taken ...

To keep serving, beyond what you should (as a barkeep) know could kill a person when consumed quickly ... I'd say manslaughter.

And with the alleged previous service to underage clients ... go after the proprietor too.

A 14 year old girl (http://static.iltalehti.fi/tampere/juttunora1102LR_te.jpg) here drank - by herself, alone in the woods - 0.5 litres of 80% (alcvol) vodka, passed out and either froze to death or died from the alcohol itself.


For that matter...Another 16 year old girl was recently found passed out with 4.1 permille blood alcohol content - That's roughly 30 shots (2 cl) of 40% alcohol, but then again she survived.

Go team Finland!

Right there is why we should legalize all drugs.

The most fatal drug, immediately from taking it, is heroin. Just so easy to overdose on.

The person taking the drug (particularly when they aren't familiar with it) can quickly become irresponsible for their own actions: intoxicated or unconscious.

A responsible person (in the case of the OP, the barkeep) should decide the dose. They should be able to deny further service when a customer asks for more than they know to be safe.

If heroin was legal, it could be administered by a "needlekeep" who is aware of the purity of the drug, the safe dose by body-weight, the previous experience of the recipient. A stranger in the heroin-bar would get a tiny hit, a "calibrating dose" as is used with very similar painkillers in hospitals.

I choose the morphiates as the worst-case scenario. Even in light of how easily they can be overdosed, I say it would be preferable (it would save more lives) that they be administered by a knowledgable and responsible person, who can be held legally responsible.

Belly-up to the bar. Get yer shot ... or take a snort off a crystal platter, with your sterile disposable straw.

Overdose, and the 'keep shoots you up with Narcan, right there. No dying in your bedroom, or in the woods, or in the house of your junky mates who don't dare call the ambulance for fear of the cops.

What a dumb fuck.

Whether the person was 16 or 60, the bartender has a duty of care in that situation, which I would say he breached. 45 shots is insanity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7883752.stm?lss

45 shots? Really? Discuss!

Hey, the kid chose to drink it, the barman was only neglectful if he didn't collect the money first.

Probably not, no. Another pertinent question would be "how many limes did this bartender have, and did the vast quantities of salt contribute to this kid's death, assuming they were doing slammers".

There are few things more unpleasant than ordering tequila and finding they have no salt or lemons. Ick.

Yeah but brits are a bunch of fucking drunks, you'd probably been drinking since you were two.

This is true, we have a great history of drinking.

There are few things more unpleasant than ordering tequila and finding they have no salt or lemons. Ick.
Damn right. It's like ordering Sambuca and having them not set it on fire -_-