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It says that four 1-gallon containers of 35 percent hydrogen peroxide, uranium, thorium, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide and magnesium ribbon were found in the home.

Also found was literature on how to build “dirty bombs” and information about cesium-137, strontium-90 and cobalt-60, radioactive materials. The FBI report also stated there was evidence linking James Cummings to white supremacist groups. This would seem to confirm observations by local tradesmen who worked at the Cummings home that he was an ardent admirer of Adolf Hitler and had a collection of Nazi memorabilia around the house, including a prominently displayed flag with swastika. Cummings claimed to have pieces of Hitler’s personal silverware and place settings, painter Mike Robbins said a few days after the shooting.

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Did his wife get a medal for shooting him? I want a link about that if possible...

James G. Cummings doesn't sound like a muslim name. Therefore, this story is a lie.

James G. Cummings doesn't sound like a muslim name. Therefore, this story is a lie.

he was in fact, a crypto-Muslim. When they autopsied him, they found a smaller Muslim man inside him you see.

he was in fact, a crypto-Muslim. When they autopsied him, they found a smaller Muslim man inside him you see.

fucking win.

Belfast must just be an unlucky place name for this kind of thing

fucking win.

But before we all depart I still want to know if his wife got a medal...

But before we all depart I still want to know if his wife got a medal...
she probably shot him because he refused to clean that crap out of the garage.

He wanted to be famous and now his wife will be instead. :D

James G. Cummings doesn't sound like a muslim name. Therefore, this story is a lie.

But it does sound a bit dirty.

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cuz worrying about foreign terrorists blowing up our cities just wasn't ENOUGH fun!!!

she probably shot him because he refused to clean that crap out of the garage.

Oh, another one of those.

im very curious to know where he got it, what the containers are made from, and how radioactive it is there in the house.

cuz worrying about foreign terrorists blowing up our cities just wasn't ENOUGH fun!!!

Uhmm are you upset they caught this guy or something?

Oh, another one of those.
those what?

i prefer to imagine that she was righteously pissed about his hobbies rather than that she was taking one last desperate measure to rid herself of an abusive husband.

so that makes, what, 5 different sets of nazis that have been caught with wmd or the materials to construct them?

cuz worrying about foreign terrorists blowing up our cities just wasn't ENOUGH fun!!!

butbutbut white ppl would do that because the free market

Unlike Islamic extremists, who actually tend to have a higher level of intelligence and education, white supremacists are total fracking idiots, whose ability to breathe surprises me. That's what makes them easy to catch.

those what?

i prefer to imagine that she was righteously pissed about his hobbies rather than that she was taking one last desperate measure to rid herself of an abusive husband.

Wife shooting husband over domestic dispute is hardly as dramatic as: heroic wife kills physically abusive terrorist husband in a desperate shootout to prevent him from arming the bombs and saves the whole town; you know?

Wife shooting husband over domestic dispute is hardly as dramatic as: heroic wife kills physically abusive terrorist husband in a desperate shootout to prevent him from arming the bombs and saves the whole town; you know?
ahhh true but im thinking that rather than shooting him down the day she realized that the containers in the garage/basement were radioactive she would have gone to the cops.

which i suppose still leaves her plenty of time to have to shoot him down like a dog. the cops can be so slow in investigating stuff.

im very curious to know where he got it, what the containers are made from, and how radioactive it is there in the house.

Containers are made from glass, and looking over the rest of the list, it appears to be largely commonly available materials.

"35 percent hydrogen peroxide, uranium, thorium, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide and magnesium ribbon"

Most of those are pretty easily acquired, and depending upon what form of uranium we're talking about, that too can just be found lying around.*

*outdoors, in nature

Unlike Islamic extremists, who actually tend to have a higher level of intelligence and education, white supremacists are total fracking idiots, whose ability to breathe surprises me. That's what makes them easy to catch.
its all part of the "stupid people dont know how stupid they are" syndrome. you know, the one where some asshole thinks that he can take a job as pizza delivery guy at fort dix and then shoot up the whole base and get away?

i wonder what moronically stupid plan this guy had for his dirty bomb supplies.

ahhh true but im thinking that rather than shooting him down the day she realized that the containers in the garage/basement were radioactive she would have gone to the cops.

which i suppose still leaves her plenty of time to have to shoot him down like a dog. the cops can be so slow in investigating stuff.

The best bet is to call the police just before you shoot them.

"Hello 911, I just shot an intruder in my house."

"Whats your name and locat"

BANG BANG BANG

"My name is Pamela Walsh and I live on 213 Brewer Lane."

Containers are made from glass, and looking over the rest of the list, it appears to be largely commonly available materials.

"35 percent hydrogen peroxide, uranium, thorium, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide and magnesium ribbon"

Most of those are pretty easily acquired, and depending upon what form of uranium we're talking about, that too can just be found lying around.*

*outdoors, in nature
so maybe he was finding dangerous stuff here and there and tossing it into the containers for later?

i dont know anything about most of the stuff on the list. do you know how.... explodable the mix is? was he risking blowing up his own house?

its all part of the "stupid people dont know how stupid they are" syndrome. you know, the one where some asshole thinks that he can take a job as pizza delivery guy at fort dix and then shoot up the whole base and get away?

i wonder what moronically stupid plan this guy had for his dirty bomb supplies.

Hold the mayor hostage for a 1 billion dollar ransom, or more likely "Kill that damn ****** president and all this ****** loving commies in DC."

Most of those are pretty easily acquired, and depending upon what form of uranium we're talking about, that too can just be found lying around.*

Ebay. Seriously.

do you know how.... explodable the mix is? was he risking blowing up his own house?

Yes. I'd guess that it was actone peroxide - same stuff used in the London attacks.

First of all: Holy shit! :eek2:

Second of all: It's just like I've always said, here in the US, it's the lone nutjob you have to worry about way more than shadowy organizations.

so maybe he was finding dangerous stuff here and there and tossing it into the containers for later?

i dont know anything about most of the stuff on the list. do you know how.... explodable the mix is? was he risking blowing up his own house?

That level of H2O2 is extremely combustible, and had he accidentally lit it off he could have gone boooooom.

so maybe he was finding dangerous stuff here and there and tossing it into the containers for later?

i dont know anything about most of the stuff on the list. do you know how.... explodable the mix is? was he risking blowing up his own house?
Stuff like thermite -- yeah, he was risking his house and his neighbors as well. Some of those ingredients are not dangerous by themselves, but some are extremely flammable.

Uhmm are you upset they caught this guy or something?

sarcasm, darling. doesn't always translate well into the written word..

I meant, "cuz like we don't have ENOUGH to worry about from foreigners wanting to blow up our country, we have 'locals' who'd love to help them"

Scary stuff.

yeah, his wife deserves a medal no matter why she killed him.

Ebay. Seriously.
Let's see:
- Thorium (http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=thorium&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=thoriunm&_osacat=0)
- Uranium (http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=uranium&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=thorium&_osacat=0)
- Thermite, sort of (http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=thermite&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=uranium&_osacat=0)
- Boron (http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=boron&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=thermite&_osacat=0)
- etc...

Yup, was that one dirty bomb to go?

Second of all: It's just like I've always said, here in the US, it's the lone nutjob you have to worry about way more than shadowy organizations.

ELF, ALF, Posse Comitatus, Phineas Priesthood, Army of God, Christian Patriot movement... Take your pick.

ELF, ALF, Posse Comitatus, Phineas Priesthood, Army of God, Christian Patriot movement... Take your pick.
Of course we have plenty of shadowy organizations. My point was that how many of our major incidents are done by highly coordinated group efforts as opposed to just one or two individuals doing one isolated act? How 9/11s have we seen versus how many Okalahoma City bombings, how many lone gunman assassinations (either successful or attempted), how many snipers driving around Washington or sitting on top of a tower in, for instance, the University of Texas? The bomb left on a train, the potshot taken at a public official, random attacks on civilians in public spaces, etc. -- in the US, homegrown organizations are more likely to commit crimes such as drug and weapons trafficking and robberies, and to foster an atmosphere of terror by intimidation against target groups (as the racist groups try to do), whereas individuals are more likely to commit specific, high-profile, terroristic acts, whether they belong to those groups or not.

Of course we have plenty of shadowy organizations. My point was that how many of our major incidents are done by highly coordinated group efforts as opposed to just one or two individuals doing one isolated act? How 9/11s have we seen versus how many Okalahoma City bombings, how many lone gunman assassinations (either successful or attempted), how many snipers driving around Washington or sitting on top of a tower in, for instance, the University of Texas? The bomb left on a train, the potshot taken at a public official, random attacks on civilians in public spaces, etc. -- in the US, homegrown organizations are more likely to commit crimes such as drug and weapons trafficking and robberies, whereas individuals are more likely to commit such terroristic acts, whether they belong to those groups or not.

I don't know if that's necessarily true in that "lone individuals are more dangerous" in and of itself. The truth is, bigger groups leave bigger footprints. You better believe that law enforcement is all the fuck over groups like Army of God, and they can't sneeze without the FBI hearing it, seeing it, and getting sattelite imagery of it.

However lone nuts like McVeigh fly under the radar. It's not that I think true large hate groups are "all talk" no action. I think if the heat was taken off them, we'd see some serious violence.

It is kind of scary that just anybody can come up with this stuff.

It is kind of scary that just anybody can come up with this stuff.

If its any consolation, radiological weapons aren't really lethal per say, what it will do is scare the crap out of people (lol stock market).

Though I should point out lone nuts have come up with chemical weapons before, one dude had VX precursors if I remember correctly.

I don't know if that's necessarily true in that "lone individuals are more dangerous" in and of itself. The truth is, bigger groups leave bigger footprints. You better believe that law enforcement is all the fuck over groups like Army of God, and they can't sneeze without the FBI hearing it, seeing it, and getting sattelite imagery of it.

However lone nuts like McVeigh fly under the radar. It's not that I think true large hate groups are "all talk" no action. I think if the heat was taken off them, we'd see some serious violence.
Perhaps. But then the fact that they can be and are prevented from committing terrorist acts kind of makes them somewhat less dangerous in my eyes than the individuals who are harder to stop and who we have a history of terrorist acts from. I guess I'm more scared of the source that actually spits out danger and harm than the source that is bottled up and doesn't spit out danger and harm.

I have no doubt that such organizations encourage such individuals. I believe Nichols and McVeigh were members of a militia. But their action was done entirely separately, apparently. I do not believe that those separatist and supremacist groups that have fortified compounds filled with massive arsenals of weapons just like to collect guns for show and enjoy building fences for fun.

On the other hand, I believe quite a lot of the plethora of groups out there are all talk and no action.

I do not believe that those separatist and supremacist groups that have fortified compounds filled with massive arsenals of weapons just like to collect guns for show and enjoy building fences for fun.


Doesn't have to be a compound. (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson)

This wouldn't happen in a free market. A = A, writings of Ayn Rand, familiarise, etc.

Doesn't have to be a compound. (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson)

Holy shite man. 18 cookie attempts? Seriously.

he was in fact, a crypto-Muslim. When they autopsied him, they found a smaller Muslim man inside him you see.

This is concrete evidence that Muslims are now infecting Real Americans™ with their parasitic Muslim ideology and therefore they must all be sterilized. It's also proof that Muslims are biological offshoots of Chrysalids and we need to put more money into X-Com.

Obviously, he was just going to fish up some lobster. Several tonnes of it, in little tiny pieces, all at once.

This is why I love this state. Who says all crazy rednecks live in the South?:headbang:

James G. Cummings doesn't sound like a muslim name. Therefore, this story is a lie.

My take on the manner was this guy was hopeing to start a race/religion/culture war. hoping that a dirty bomb would bring out America's worst.

yeah, his wife deserves a medal no matter why she killed him.

a medal and a life time job in the government that doesn't really have a work load.

Doesn't have to be a compound. (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson)
Whatever. For "compound" read "whatever the hell they're doing, mkay?"

If its any consolation, radiological weapons aren't really lethal per say, what it will do is scare the crap out of people (lol stock market).

Though I should point out lone nuts have come up with chemical weapons before, one dude had VX precursors if I remember correctly.

This one those case you would want to silently monitor to see where it goes and then move in. Don't just turn down the invitation to buy follow it back to the source.

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Good, stopped on-time, switched off, put down like the rabid dog he was.

Good for her.

How did some random white supremacist guy get dirty bomb parts, and how is this not all over the news?

Anyway, look forward to a lot of this kind of thing throughout the Obama Presidency. The far right has lost political power, so some of them are going to turn to violence.

How did some random white supremacist guy get dirty bomb parts, and how is this not all over the news?

Anyway, look forward to a lot of this kind of thing throughout the Obama Presidency. The far right has lost political power, so some of them are going to turn to violence.

Hell, this was the first I'd heard of it, and I live less than an hour from where that lunatic did.

I hate to say it, and I'm not usually really paranoid about this kind of thing, but why do I have the feeling that if this guy was an Arab, it would be headline news immediately?

I hate to say it, and I'm not usually really paranoid about this kind of thing, but why do I have the feeling that if this guy was an Arab, it would be headline news immediately?
That's not paranoia. That's experience.

I'm thinking it hasn't been on the news because the FBI has not officially released it yet. The Bangor newspaper article details how they got it from leaked documents and that all the officials they contacted for confirmation refused to comment because the investigation is ongoing. Obviously, the Bangor paper would run with it because it's their beat, but what they've got is unofficial leaks, neighbor reports about the Nazi-nut, and a record of how unconfirmed it all is.

Perhaps it will trickle out to the national media later. But yeah, if it was Arabs, you better know the rightwing at least would be flooding the major media with press releases about it.

This was one really "very unhappy" guy.

If it was Arabs, it would be exactly the same: the officials would keep it mum for a long time until they were done investigating; a few reports might get out early from some leaks, but would get little traction in the wider media because of the lack of sourcing.

That's not paranoia. That's experience.

Well, I like to think that the main stream media is at least a little impartial and honest. Plus I'm always reluctant to throw out the race card or anything like that.

I'm thinking it hasn't been on the news because the FBI has not officially released it yet. The Bangor newspaper article details how they got it from leaked documents and that all the officials they contacted for confirmation refused to comment because the investigation is ongoing. Obviously, the Bangor paper would run with it because it's their beat, but what they've got is unofficial leaks, neighbor reports about the Nazi-nut, and a record of how unconfirmed it all is.

Perhaps it will trickle out to the national media later. But yeah, if it was Arabs, you better know the rightwing at least would be flooding the major media with press releases about it.

Well, I don't suppose we can expect the far right to draw attention to their own fringe radicals, can we?:rolleyes:

How did some random white supremacist guy get dirty bomb parts, and how is this not all over the news?


Because it's never a crime or a bad thing when a white man does it in America.

Because it's never a crime or a bad thing when a white man does it in America.

Now that's going too far. America has problems, but its nowhere near being as simple as white=right.:rolleyes:

Their's enough racism out their without crying wolf. No one will take you seriously if you make such sweeping generalizations. No one with a brain, anyways.

I know Obama's election doesn't mean racism is over, but you'd think it would finally put an end to people claiming with a strait face that America is just the Land of the White Man.

Because it's never a crime or a bad thing when a white man does it in America.And only white people can be racist. If you take me seriously...I'll be...displeased.

Oh noes! Not a dirty bomb! That could... hurt, slightly, if we were to stand really close to it for a long time!

[Commits suicide, just to be safe]

Really, though, who cares? If he'd been found with a loaded pistol he'd have been significantly more dangerous.

Oh noes! Not a dirty bomb! That could... hurt, slightly, if we were to stand really close to it for a long time!

[Commits suicide, just to be safe]

Really, though, who cares? If he'd been found with a loaded pistol he'd have been significantly more dangerous.

I don't think you understand the principle behind a dirty bomb.

It's the "bomb" part, by the way.

Now that's going too far. America has problems, but its nowhere near being as simple as white=right.:rolleyes:


It was exaggeration. But the mentality still persists, and quite strongly, both in media and social norms. Look at how quickly people are to gibber in fear of phantom 'others' of differing religions and ethnicities, but how quick they are to dismiss the real crimes from their own corner of the criminally insane.

But see, dirty bombs cause radiation. And radiation can cure cancer.

Therefore this man is a hero and should be nationally recognized for his martyrdom. Do you believe all those millions of people dying of cancer should be denied a cure just because of some harmless admiration for an obscure mid-century German statesman?

You'd be surprised how often this happens.

First of all: Holy shit! :eek2:

Second of all: It's just like I've always said, here in the US, it's the lone nutjob you have to worry about way more than shadowy organizations.

Indeed.

I wonder what his target was. In a way it's almost a pity he was caught before he acted...perhaps had he acted certain parts of the country would stop being convinced that there's no such thing as domestic terrorism.

Indeed.

I wonder what his target was. In a way it's almost a pity he was caught before he acted...perhaps had he acted certain parts of the country would stop being convinced that there's no such thing as domestic terrorism.

If he had a problem with Obama, perhaps his target was Washington?

Anyway, I'm certainly glad he failed. Nobody should die needlessly. And if it had gone through, what effect would it have had besides increase paranoia and justifications for a police-state mentality? If Oklahoma City didn't convince people that domestic terrorism is a threat, would this?

Anyway, I'm certainly glad he failed. Nobody should die needlessly. And if it had gone through, what effect would it have had besides increase paranoia and justifications for a police-state mentality? If Oklahoma City didn't convince people that domestic terrorism is a threat, would this?

Not unless he had a fully functional strategic nuclear weapon. And even then, they'd still find a way to blame it on foreigners/Islamists/Outsiders. The culture of "it's not our fault!" extends quite well to ethnicities.

First up, on what evidence are we assuming the dangerous materials were requisitioned, and the bomb recipes kept, by the husband and not the wife?

I want links to the further evidence that is based on. Yes of course I did read the article linked in the OP.

You have one person who is dead, and probably requisitioned the materials found in the home. You have another person who killed their partner, and alleges it was for "years of psychological physical and sexual abuse."

Am I a sexist, or are there good reasons to suspect the woman?

First up, on what evidence are we assuming the dangerous materials were requisitioned, and the bomb recipes kept, by the husband and not the wife?

I want links to the further evidence that is based on. Yes of course I did read the article linked in the OP.

You have one person who is dead, and probably requisitioned the materials found in the home. You have another person who killed their partner, and alleges it was for "years of psychological physical and sexual abuse."

Am I a sexist, or are there good reasons to suspect the woman?
Well, the investigation is still ongoing...

But if the neighborhood gossip is to be believed -- and why the hell not? -- he did abuse his wife. Maybe it was just because he wanted her to spend more time with the guns but she was obsessed with the explosives. We'll have to wait and see.

My idea of a dirty bomb would involve dirt. :tongue:

he was in fact, a crypto-Muslim. When they autopsied him, they found a smaller Muslim man inside him you see.

We should exhume McVeigh! There may still be time!

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fucking win.
*Checks rules*

Nope. OP cannot "fucking win" thread.

"Wanking win" perhaps.

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those what?

i prefer to imagine that she was righteously pissed about his hobbies rather than that she was taking one last desperate measure to rid herself of an abusive husband.


Allegedly abusive husband.

Further evidence?

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ahhh true but im thinking that rather than shooting him down the day she realized that the containers in the garage/basement were radioactive she would have gone to the cops.

which i suppose still leaves her plenty of time to have to shoot him down like a dog. the cops can be so slow in investigating stuff.

Yeah, nice. Terrorism is a matter for the cops, but alleged abuse allows plenty of time to plan her "self-defence."

She should go to the cops in either case.

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The best bet is to call the police just before you shoot them.

"Hello 911, I just shot an intruder in my house."

"Whats your name and locat..."

BANG BANG BANG

"My name is Pamela Walsh and I live on 213 Brewer Lane."

Luckily, your nature inclines you to being a humourist.

Luckily, because by the sound of it you'd make very good criminal / terrorist / lawyer. ;)

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First of all: Holy shit! :eek2:

Second of all: It's just like I've always said, here in the US, it's the lone nutjob you have to worry about way more than shadowy organizations.

That is the historic record, yes.

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sarcasm, darling. doesn't always translate well into the written word..

I meant, "cuz like we don't have ENOUGH to worry about from foreigners wanting to blow up our country, we have 'locals' who'd love to help them"

Don't mix together different crimes by different perpetrators, and assume that their motives are alike because their crimes lead to the same end, the death of innocents.

Or more simply: not all terrorists or murderers want the same thing.

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This wouldn't happen in a free market. A = A, writings of Ayn Rand, familiarise, etc.

You didn't put much effort into that, did you?

Running joke, I guess. Cheap.

But consider. You have spoken eloquently against the invasions of civil liberties used by government in the "war against terrorism." Implicit in that is the idea that absolute safety, protection, cannot be guaranteed by government. And that such abrogation of individual rights outweighs the benefits to the individual of being so "protected."

You can't turn around and kick the Randbots with "anti-terrorism." You can't be against the curtailment of rights to fight terrorists, then threaten the libbies with terrorism as the consequence of having minimal government.

That's trying to kick with both feet. You land on your arse.

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This one those case you would want to silently monitor to see where it goes and then move in. Don't just turn down the invitation to buy follow it back to the source.

Exactly. That is smart law enforcement: no invasion of privacy. No curtailment of free speech. Those that say might some day do, and it's all there in the public domain. Catch them when they try to do the crime (with the evidence they left around for anyone to see,) and if their bomb was useless because you sold them plastic plastic at the price of plastic explosive, double win for the law.

*likes noob*

Good, stopped on-time, switched off, put down like the rabid dog he was.

Good for her.

Evidence? Other than her word?

Or are all white supremacists also male? Can only men force women to use their credit card for purchases of incriminating material?

Well, the investigation is still ongoing...

But if the neighborhood gossip is to be believed -- and why the hell not?

You know why not. It's the rule of the mob, it's conviction by gossip.

It's worth reporting, but it isn't a legal standard of evidence.

-- he did abuse his wife. Maybe it was just because he wanted her to spend more time with the guns but she was obsessed with the explosives. We'll have to wait and see.

Yes. If the dead guy gets a fair trial ...

Excuse me for thinking that the dead guy, not being able to competently instruct counsel, or in fact reject counsel, or give evidence in his own defence or even give good evidence when cross-examined (being all dead like he is) ... might not get a fair trial?

Bah. Who cares? The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist, right?

My idea of a dirty bomb would involve dirt. :tongue:

Dirt contains just about every biological weapon imaginable.

*throws mud*

"Throwing" isn't "weaponizing" Your Honour. It really isn't.

*cowers before the Law."

You know why not. It's the rule of the mob, it's conviction by gossip.

It's worth reporting, but it isn't a legal standard of evidence.



Yes. If the dead guy gets a fair trial ...

Excuse me for thinking that the dead guy, not being able to competently instruct counsel, or in fact reject counsel, or give evidence in his own defence or even give good evidence when cross-examined (being all dead like he is) ... might not get a fair trial?

Bah. Who cares? The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist, right?
Your humorlessness makes me laugh. :D

Your humorlessness makes me laugh. :D

Thanks for your reply.

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*Checks rules*

Nope. OP cannot "fucking win" thread.

"Wanking win" perhaps.

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Allegedly abusive husband.

Further evidence?

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Yeah, nice. Terrorism is a matter for the cops, but alleged abuse allows plenty of time to plan her "self-defence."

She should go to the cops in either case.

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Luckily, your nature inclines you to being a humourist.

Luckily, because by the sound of it you'd make very good criminal / terrorist / lawyer. ;)

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That is the historic record, yes.

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Don't mix together different crimes by different perpetrators, and assume that their motives are alike because their crimes lead to the same end, the death of innocents.

Or more simply: not all terrorists or murderers want the same thing.

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You didn't put much effort into that, did you?

Running joke, I guess. Cheap.

But consider. You have spoken eloquently against the invasions of civil liberties used by government in the "war against terrorism." Implicit in that is the idea that absolute safety, protection, cannot be guaranteed by government. And that such abrogation of individual rights outweighs the benefits to the individual of being so "protected."

You can't turn around and kick the Randbots with "anti-terrorism." You can't be against the curtailment of rights to fight terrorists, then threaten the libbies with terrorism as the consequence of having minimal government.

That's trying to kick with both feet. You land on your arse.

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Exactly. That is smart law enforcement: no invasion of privacy. No curtailment of free speech. Those that say might some day do, and it's all there in the public domain. Catch them when they try to do the crime (with the evidence they left around for anyone to see,) and if their bomb was useless because you sold them plastic plastic at the price of plastic explosive, double win for the law.

*likes noob*



Evidence? Other than her word?

Or are all white supremacists also male? Can only men force women to use their credit card for purchases of incriminating material?

Oh, she's probably a racist too-generally when they marry, they marry their own kind in more than genetic terms, and likely a loon as well-but she's probably up for at MINIMUM manslaughter, so it's a two-fer and we don't have to deal with trials for two-just the one, and that's a lot cheaper.

Oh, she's probably a racist too-generally when they marry, they marry their own kind in more than genetic terms, and likely a loon as well-but she's probably up for at MINIMUM manslaughter, so it's a two-fer and we don't have to deal with trials for two-just the one, and that's a lot cheaper.

At least I can see how you are trying to be funny.

Fuck it. I'm taking another break.

You didn't put much effort into that, did you?

Running joke, I guess. Cheap.

I'm nothing if not lazy and unoriginal.

I'm nothing if not lazy and unoriginal.

You should familiarise yourself with the writings of eminent 19th century Russian-American shoop-da-wooper, "inappropriate comments".

First up, on what evidence are we assuming the dangerous materials were requisitioned, and the bomb recipes kept, by the husband and not the wife?

I want links to the further evidence that is based on. Yes of course I did read the article linked in the OP.

You have one person who is dead, and probably requisitioned the materials found in the home. You have another person who killed their partner, and alleges it was for "years of psychological physical and sexual abuse."

Am I a sexist, or are there good reasons to suspect the woman?
i was going by the part where she hasnt been arrested even for killing her husband.

maine isnt a big "he needed killin'" state.

now its possible that the investigators are so clueless that they dont know that a woman can collect up stuff for dirty bombs. so you may have a point. if they have been letting a terrorist walk the streets of belfast, they are going to get a ration of shit when it comes out.

I don't think you understand the principle behind a dirty bomb.

It's the "bomb" part, by the way.

How did you infer something close to the opposite of what I implied? I'm sure there are plenty of people in the US with further developed explosives than he had. If it were only the 'bomb' part that got everybody excited, there wouldn't be a big fuss over the fact that the alleged device would have been 'dirty'. I don't really see any reason to alter what I initial said. Guy could buy a lot of body armour and assault weapons with ten million a year, if anything it's probably a good thing if he was wasting his time on a 'dirty bomb'.

My take on the manner was this guy was hopeing to start a race/religion/culture war. hoping that a dirty bomb would bring out America's worst.

There were some Nazis who were planning to start such a war during the Rodney King riots. The idea was to have bunch of guys dressed as LAPD cops go and shoot random black people. Luckily, the leaders vetoed the idea - they said it wasn't time.

Imagine the response today if a video of (white) cops shooting unarmed black civilians hit the Internet.

How did you infer something close to the opposite of what I implied? I'm sure there are plenty of people in the US with further developed explosives than he had. If it were only the 'bomb' part that got everybody excited, there wouldn't be a big fuss over the fact that the alleged device would have been 'dirty'. I don't really see any reason to alter what I initial said. Guy could buy a lot of body armour and assault weapons with ten million a year, if anything it's probably a good thing if he was wasting his time on a 'dirty bomb'.

Bombs can kill more people than a gun.

Bombs can kill more people than a gun.

Potentially, but not necessarily. Besides, a dirty bomb is a useless weapon. At best, it is designed to sow panic among a civilian populace who think the word radiation means guaranteed slow and painful death and then go out and bask in the radiation of the sun, stare at the boob tube (another radiation source), in complete ignorance.

Belfast must just be an unlucky place name for this kind of thing
Hilarious.


so that makes, what, 5 different sets of nazis that have been caught with wmd or the materials to construct them?
A dirty bomb is hardly a weapon of mass destruction.

"I don't think it would kill anybody," says Dr Theodore Rockwell, an authority on radiation... "You'll have trouble finding a serious report that would claim otherwise." The American department of energy, Rockwell continues, has simulated a dirty bomb explosion, "and they calculated that the most exposed individual would get a fairly high dose [of radiation], not life-threatening." And even this minor threat is open to question. The test assumed that no one fled the explosion for one year.

(Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/oct/15/broadcasting.bbc); my emphasis.)

A dirty bomb is hardly a weapon of mass destruction.

fine fine, let me amend my statement to fit with bushian definitions.

"so that makes, what, countless thousands of nazis that have been caught with wmd or the materials to construct them?"

fine fine, let me amend my statement to fit with bushian definitions.

"so that makes, what, countless thousands of nazis that have been caught with wmd or the materials to construct them?"
epic lulz