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If you said to dress up as the KKK, collect your prize.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2009-02-09-peta-westminster-kkk-protest_N.htm

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals knows how to grab attention. And show off its laundry.

The animal rights group, which every year stages a protest at the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show, had two of its members dress in Ku Klux Klan garb outside Madison Square Garden on Monday.

Their goal, according to a post on the PETA website, was to draw a parallel between the KKK and the American Kennel Club. "Obviously it's an uncomfortable comparison," PETA spokesman Michael McGraw told the Associated Press.

But the AKC is trying to create a "master race" when it comes to pure-bred dogs, he added. "It's a very apt comparison."

The group passed out brochures implying the Klan and AKC have the goal of "pure bloodlines" in common.
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"I can't speak for everyone, but the vast majority of the people exhibiting and handling and showing at Westminster are more interested in the health of dogs than anything else," Westminster spokesman David Frei told the AP.

"We want to produce the next generation of healthy and happy dogs," he said, "not just for the show ring but for the couches at home."

Bystander Fatima Walden told the AP the KKK imagery was inappropriate no matter what the message.

"They could have used something else as an example," she said. "You should be considerate to everybody."

Other than a shouting match during the hour-long protest, police said the scene remained calm.

The PETA managed to play the race card and commit a Godwin. They are clearly masters at their art.


EDIT: Also, I suggest everyone go to the site. There is a fabulous picture on the left side of the page.

lulwat?

*blinks*

Huh?

*blinks*

huh?

peta.

PETA needs to use hot naked models more often. Far more effective advertising method.

I've heard of this idiocy before. A few years back after a spate of particularly nasty dog attacks, I suggested banning certain breeds to someone. He accused me of racism. I didn't know how to answer.

To be fair however, I do think the AKC standards have become ridiculous. Some breeds have been completely twisted from their historic standards and it's ended up with some very sub-par animals. It is sort of cruel.

Well, this IS the same organization behind "The Holocaust On Your Plate"

Peta = Pretty Entertaining Troll Action.

peta is full of assholes.

ohhhh nooooo we breed dogs! what terrible people we are!

peta is full of assholes.

They are self described media whores.

peta.

Foolishness and mayhem. Buggers.

Isn't this the same group that equated pet ownership to slavery?

I want them to start their crap out where I'm living now. Should be fun.

I just don't understand why they do this. Do they seriously think that what they do is not incredibly embarrassing to their cause, and makes them look like tools? Or are they operating under some kind of 'all publicity is good publicity' principle.

They are not going to get too many people who want to take a leaflet from a KKK member.

I just don't understand why they do this. Do they seriously think that what they do is not incredibly embarrassing to their cause, and makes them look like tools? Or are they operating under some kind of 'all publicity is good publicity' principle.
Again, this is the same group behind the "Holocaust On Your Plate" campaign. They're quite unapologetic about their comparisons to racism.

I just don't understand why they do this. Do they seriously think that what they do is not incredibly embarrassing to their cause, and makes them look like tools? Or are they operating under some kind of 'all publicity is good publicity' principle.

It's the same as the pitiful "anonymous" guys who dress up as guy fawkes and expect people to take their campaign against scientology seriously. Only this is much, much less politically correct.

It's the same as the pitiful "anonymous" guys who dress up as guy fawkes and expect people to take their campaign against scientology seriously.
Not really, I think it's good to speak out against cults like scientology, though from what I've heard about anonymous they probably went a bit too far.

I often wonder how far the animal rights movement could get if PETA and its militant arm(s) would just STFU

everyone loves the RSPCA why not just make an organized group under the label to encourage something moderate like the adoption of mongrel breeds and see where it takes you?

PETA needs to use hot naked models more often. Far more effective advertising method.

I can agree with this, animal rights should be as good an excuse as any to see a ladies rack >_>

I've heard of this idiocy before. A few years back after a spate of particularly nasty dog attacks, I suggested banning certain breeds to someone. He accused me of racism. I didn't know how to answer.

I know a girl who gives money to PETA...its scary when I find myself having to argue of why its wrong to murder scientists

To be fair however, I do think the AKC standards have become ridiculous. Some breeds have been completely twisted from their historic standards and it's ended up with some very sub-par animals. It is sort of cruel.

tbh if you go out and pay for a dog your pretty damn stupid

It's the same as the pitiful "anonymous" guys who dress up as guy fawkes and expect people to take their campaign against scientology seriously. Only this is much, much less politically correct.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7030/moralfagssz0.jpg

Black Labs and Rottweilers maul PETA members in white robes.

Irony and Hilarity ensue.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7030/moralfagssz0.jpg

lol, although to be fair, they're from New Zealand IIRC, so they don't really count.

Hmm, PETA, Their headquarters is in the same metipolitian area that I live in so they tend to pop up in the local news a lot. I rather liked when they kidnapped sheriff's hunting dogs and were stupid enough to keep the tracking collars... on top that they were later pulled over by said sheriff for speeding who then saw the dogs and collars.

Or are they operating under some kind of 'all publicity is good publicity' principle.

pretty much

Your title and opening made me choke on my rice. It was that funny.

Kudos.

Dressing up as KKK? I know it's PETA, but how could they even think this was a good idea?

Then again, it's getting them attention. Maybe that's the only point.

ohhhh nooooo we breed dogs! what terrible people we are!
To be fair, if you continue to inbreed a species to the extent that almost every member of that species has breathing, digestion, mobility, etc., difficulties, you are being a bit of an asshole.



I often wonder how far the animal rights movement could get if PETA and its militant arm(s) would just STFU
Rather further than it currently is, I sadly suspect.

Hmm, PETA, Their headquarters is in the same metipolitian area that I live in so they tend to pop up in the local news a lot. I rather liked when they kidnapped sheriff's hunting dogs and were stupid enough to keep the tracking collars... on top that they were later pulled over by said sheriff for speeding who then saw the dogs and collars.
You ever been to their headquarters? Might be an idea to organize a protest there sometime...

I say we start a new rumor. the KKK supports PETA!

I say we start a new rumor. the KKK supports PETA!
I think a more fun rumour to start about PETA, and one that I'm guessing would be more believable, would be to say they recently did an ad campaign involving PETA volunteers consenting to being cut up in public and served on plates as though they were meat.

Yes, I've been imagining PETA doing that. But it sounds like something within the pattern of what PETA campaigns have been like. And I'm imagining that kind of campaign could split PETA and/or some of its members down the middle.

Then again, it's getting them attention. Maybe that's the only point.

well they don't seem to be going bankrupt anytime soon

Rather further than it currently is, I sadly suspect.

"but if you do nothing your just as bad!" etc etc

You ever been to their headquarters? Might be an idea to organize a protest there sometime...

that would come across in much the same way as protesting against pedophilia would however

turning up and having a BBQ seems to be the current level of criticism organizations like this have which doesn't really leave any wonder as to why it sucks up so many members

To be fair, if you continue to inbreed a species to the extent that almost every member of that species has breathing, digestion, mobility, etc., difficulties, you are being a bit of an asshole.

Not to mention cutting on parts of their bodies to make them look "standard".

Bleh.

I say we start a new rumor. the KKK supports PETA!

"I'd rather go white supremacist than wear fur"
- Shilpa Shetty (couldn't find any black PETA celebrities...though I did find Steve-O :()

To be fair, if you continue to inbreed a species to the extent that almost every member of that species has breathing, digestion, mobility, etc., difficulties, you are being a bit of an asshole.

genetics is hard

turning up and having a BBQ seems to be the current level of criticism organizations like this have which doesn't really leave any wonder as to why it sucks up so many members
You mean BBQ in front of their headquarters?

The world ought to hit the ignore button on them.

Well, this IS the same organization behind "The Holocaust On Your Plate"

Don't forget the "YOUR PARENTS KILLS ANIMALS!!!!" Comics for kids. (The ones with the housewife covered in blood with a 11 inch knife.)
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And I also support someone doing something to protest them outside their HQ.

The world ought to hit the ignore button on them.

Yea, but then they bring out the hawtness and we can't look away.

"The Holocaust On Your Plate"

Tasty, delicious holocaust. ;)

To be fair, if you continue to inbreed a species to the extent that almost every member of that species has breathing, digestion, mobility, etc., difficulties, you are being a bit of an asshole.




Rather further than it currently is, I sadly suspect.

Not really a fair assessment. Puppy mills do the inbreeding and PETA really should go after them.

Legitimate breeders of show dogs are breeding for intelligence, health, stamina and strength - periodic outcrossing is encouraged. Show dogs are among the healthiest, most intelligent, most pampered dogs alive.

Legitimate breeders of show dogs are breeding for intelligence, health, stamina and strength - periodic outcrossing is encouraged. Show dogs are among the healthiest, most intelligent, most pampered dogs alive.
Including such breeds as pugs, with nigh-on inherent respiratory, reproductory and other problems?

Don't forget the "YOUR PARENTS KILLS ANIMALS!!!!" Comics for kids. (The ones with the housewife covered in blood with a 11 inch knife.)
Even those weren't comparing everyone who eats meat to the Nazis. o.o

*sigh*

I guess there are never enough "OMG! PETA did X! They are evil and stupid" threads.

Not that I am comfortable with even the appearance of defending PETA, but there is something a bit disturbing about animal eugenics. And, yes, breeders often do over "purify" a breed, leading to deformities. I'm no expert on dogs, but that is what caused spider syndrome (http://www.sheep101.info/201/diseasesa-z.html#spider) in sheep.

*sigh*

I guess there are never enough "OMG! PETA did X! They are evil and stupid" threads.
Is there, or has there ever been, an active member (supporter even) of PETA on NS:G?

Seems it's just those of us who support animal lib but roll our eyes at PETA, pointing out we are not the same as them. At least here in the UK, there isn't one organisation used as a synonym for animal lib.

I say we start a new rumor. the KKK supports PETA!

If you spread a rumor that PETA supports Islamic terrorism you'd get results much faster.

I've heard of this idiocy before. A few years back after a spate of particularly nasty dog attacks, I suggested banning certain breeds to someone. He accused me of racism. I didn't know how to answer.

To be fair however, I do think the AKC standards have become ridiculous. Some breeds have been completely twisted from their historic standards and it's ended up with some very sub-par animals. It is sort of cruel.

Anything to back that up?

To be fair, if you continue to inbreed a species to the extent that almost every member of that species has breathing, digestion, mobility, etc., difficulties, you are being a bit of an asshole.

Agreed, regarding those breeds in which that's a problem. But is it right to castigate the entire practice because a few practitioners are idiots? Should we ban all protests just because PETA are off their collective nut more often than not?

Not to mention cutting on parts of their bodies to make them look "standard".

Bleh.

Again, agreed there. Docking tails and cropping ears is now under serious debate and is fading out in Europe. The example I know is the Briard, whose ears used to be cropped as part of breed standard. In Europe, it's all but extinct as a practice, and more and more show Briards in the US are ears-down. The US breeders tend to be more overzealous about refusing changes than their European counterparts.

Not really a fair assessment. Puppy mills do the inbreeding and PETA really should go after them.

Legitimate breeders of show dogs are breeding for intelligence, health, stamina and strength - periodic outcrossing is encouraged. Show dogs are among the healthiest, most intelligent, most pampered dogs alive.

This ^.

Including such breeds as pugs, with nigh-on inherent respiratory, reproductory and other problems?

Once again, I don't agree with that line of breeding. Also, I can't understand how anyone could think that those mushed-in faces are in any way even remotely "cute".

Not to mention cutting on parts of their bodies to make them look "standard".

Bleh.

Once upon a time, there was a functional reason for docking. Dogs that were working (hunting, herding, rescue, etc.) were harder to keep clean and disease free when they had tails and ears that were flopping about. They could get tangled in underbrush and so on. But when they're being used only for show, it's unnecessary.

The poodle cuts were supposedly functional, too. The poodle (before it was sissified and miniaturized) was a hunting dog - actually a retriever. It spent a lot of time outdoors in cold weather and in water. The cut was originally intended to provide insulation for joints and lungs.

You know...It surprised me that they actually did dress up as the Klan...

I was thinking his first line had something to do with Sheila Hershey :$

Not only that, but certain breeds have very fragile tails that break very easily. The Boxer breed is one of these. We choose not to have our old Boxer's tail docked, and after it broke it three times within the span of a year or so, it became something we had to accept.

It broke it from simple acts like sitting down on the couch.

EDIT: It appears docking tails is completely illegal in Scotland as of 2006 anyway.

These guys never fail to make me laugh.

If you said to dress up as the KKK, collect your prize.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2009-02-09-peta-westminster-kkk-protest_N.htm
The PETA managed to play the race card and commit a Godwin. They are clearly masters at their art.
EDIT: Also, I suggest everyone go to the site. There is a fabulous picture on the left side of the page.

Nothing that PETA does is a Godwin. They're PETA for God's sake! They're always made of lose and fail.

I think we should start a pole about whether or not they will dress as Nazi's next year.

You mean BBQ in front of their headquarters?

well its more a criticism of the whole protest that occur against PETA, its like protesting militant Islam by slaughtering a pig in front of a mosque and really doesn't encourage the rational thinking (rather than emotional) that would bring PETA to its knees

We choose not to have our old Boxer's tail docked, and after it broke it three times within the span of a year or so, it became something we had to accept.

thats a sin that.

I think we should start a pole about whether or not they will dress as Nazi's next year.

the target audience seems to be white middle class students so why not dress as a bunch of scary black men?

well its more a criticism of the whole protest that occur against PETA, its like protesting militant Islam by slaughtering a pig in front of a mosque and really doesn't encourage the rational thinking (rather than emotional) that would bring PETA to its knees



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No amount of logic, truth or facts will stop PETA - they are immune to such.

Rationality is not a weapon that can be used effectively against the irrational. It's been shown time and again that fundamentalists of whatever stripe (religious, doctrinal, political) don't respond to reason with reason, they wrap themselves in the tenets of their "faith" and obliterate reason wtih clouds of emotion.

There is no real weapon against them - they respond to reason with emotion, they respond to emotion with emotion. You kill them, they create martyrs. The only effective weapon against most of them (I exclude the ones with guns who are trying to kill us) is to ignore them.

Is there, or has there ever been, an active member (supporter even) of PETA on NS:G?

i think there was one, once. a couple years back.

There is no real weapon against them - they respond to reason with emotion, they respond to emotion with emotion. You kill them, they create martyrs. The only effective weapon against most of them (I exclude the ones with guns who are trying to kill us) is to ignore them.

Maybe we should just create a nature preserve completely free of human contact or influence and stick them there to live with the animals. I figure they'd all be dead in a couple of weeks once they realize that the natural world doesn't give a shit about ethical treatment of anything and would be completely indifferent to their deaths from any number of horrible causes. It might scare them in to something resembling sanity.

Maybe we should just create a nature preserve completely free of human contact or influence and stick them there to live with the animals. I figure they'd all be dead in a couple of weeks once they realize that the natural world doesn't give a shit about ethical treatment of anything and would be completely indifferent to their deaths from any number of horrible causes. It might scare them in to something resembling sanity.

Nah, you give them too much credit for intelligence. However the rest of your idea has much merit - there are places in northern Alaska that would do nicely.

"I'd rather go white supremacist than wear fur"
- Shilpa Shetty (couldn't find any black PETA celebrities...though I did find Steve-O :()

Wait, Steve-O supports PETA? Since when? I knew the guy was a spectacular dumbass, but damn, this is a special kind of stupid.

So, Why Did PETA Go to the Dog Show?

Uhhh... to get to the other side?

Not really a fair assessment. Puppy mills do the inbreeding and PETA really should go after them.

Legitimate breeders of show dogs are breeding for intelligence, health, stamina and strength - periodic outcrossing is encouraged. Show dogs are among the healthiest, most intelligent, most pampered dogs alive.

Agreed--especially in some of the more common breeds that have internal variations.

So, Why Did PETA Go to the Dog Show?

Uhhh... to get to the other side?

They were competing in the hound class. They were forced to withdraw when they were informed that a hound didn't actually hound people and were, in truth, useful.

Maybe we should just create a nature preserve completely free of human contact or influence and stick them there to live with the animals. I figure they'd all be dead in a couple of weeks once they realize that the natural world doesn't give a shit about ethical treatment of anything and would be completely indifferent to their deaths from any number of horrible causes. It might scare them in to something resembling sanity.

It's a good idea, but then they'd invent some reason to protest it too. Doublethink is something they're quite good at.

Seriously, PETA bores.