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Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

For myself ...

I have a BSc. in Admin. I'm a few units shy of a degree in Ancient and Medieval History. I have taken post-secondary classes in art and literature.

Training is something that will make you employable and, hopefully, promotable. Education is an investment in quality of life and is an end in itself.

I consider that education can acquired without going to school and a well-educated person doesn't necessarily have credentials.

I have a B.A. in creative writing and a multiple subject teaching credential (which means I can teach K-6 and teach English 7-12).

Training, in my mind, teaches you to use what you learned in education. They're more or less meaningless without each other.

I think you can be intelligent, well-read and well-rounded without education, but you can not be "well-educated".

Associate degree in Electrical Engineering

Bachelor in Computer Science

Tons of computer related courses

I have an IQ of 9001 and got every degree known to man when I was 13.

I have an IQ of 9001 and got every degree known to man when I was 13.

Are you related to that noted Russian-American Philosopher, Ayn Rand or her ghost?

I graduated Highschool...And I have about a Year and a half of College...

EDIT: and my IQ is 127....

Are you related to that noted Russian-American Philosopher, Ayn Rand or her ghost?

No, but I have familiarized myself with her works.

history major senior year

I have a B.A. in creative writing and a multiple subject teaching credential (which means I can teach K-6 and teach English 7-12).

Training, in my mind, teaches you to use what you learned in education. They're more or less meaningless without each other.

I think you can be intelligent, well-read and well-rounded without education, but you can not be "well-educated".

What about self-education?

BS in English education, certified for secondary (7-12) English education.

Trained in first aid, lifeguarding (though, those have lapsed a bit and I haven't had time to recert) and bartending.

I believe that you can be very well educated without the paper to back it up, but the paper serves as verification. For example, even without my degree and certification, I would still have the requisite knowledge...just no way to readily prove it.

Psh, I try not to let my schooling interfere with my education! (Thank you, Sam):p

I have achieved NCEA Level 1, and I should be completing Level 2 and 3 this year if I pull my ass into gear.

So, NCEA Level 1.

I am an autodidact. So.....yeah.

I am an autodidact. So.....yeah.

Yeah, I have a similiar way of doing things.

I have an IQ of 9001 and got every degree known to man when I was 13.

Pfft, on my first day of kindergarten the teachers said I was already fully educated, had an IQ that couldn't be measured and I should spend my remaining time educating the masses on Internet message boards.

Now I am 6, and yes, I do write like one.

I have an IQ of 9001 and got every degree known to man when I was 13.

I'll testify to this.

Graduated high School last year. University next year.

I have a fluffy BA, and a slightly less fluffy (but still somewhat fluffy) Master of Something Else. What I don't have, as of recently, is a job. I'm working on that.

Pfft, on my first day of kindergarten the teachers said I was already fully educated, had an IQ that couldn't be measured and I should spend my remaining time educating the masses on Internet message boards.

Now I am 6, and yes, I do write like one.
I have an IQ of 9001 and got every degree known to man when I was 13.
My little brothers can be so precocious. They've never escaped my intellectual shadow, though, and I doubt they ever will.

For one thing, I am the last living speaker of 17 different languages. Every year I research a language that is on the way out and track down the last surviving speakers. After they have taught me to speak their tongue fluently (a process that normally takes 7-10 days), I kill them all and burn the bodies.

In addition to those deaths, I am guilty of 87 murders. I have never been caught because a couple moments after killing my victims, I restart their hearts and repair all the damage I inflicted. I then explain to them, in language that is both poetic and clear, why I had to destroy them in order to see how they would die, and how the world would be altered by their absence. I further explain how it was for their own good, now they will be able to appreciate their lives. Afterward, I volunteer to perform any cosmetic or necessary surgeries upon them for free. No one has ever complained.

I also know who faked 9-11. No, it wasn't the US government, nor was George Bush involved in any way shape or form. I'd tell you who did, but I'm afraid that you all would use the knowledge unwisely. Only I and my enormous brain are capable of properly handling that sort of information. That's also why I can't tell you where Cthulhu lives or what power tastes like.

Needless to say, with a resume like this, the FBI has quite a file on me. I wish them luck with that, but they haven't got a chance.

BA in Theatre, god willing will be starting on my Master's soon.

That's also why I can't tell you where Cthulhu lives or what power tastes like.

1. He's my roommate
2. cherry-banana twist

I invented the internet.

1. He's my roommate

Apologies, I debated him out of existence yesterday, didn't mean to.

I invented the internet.

I promptly destroyed it.

I promptly destroyed it.

Al Gore then reinvented it.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?


I have a BS in Graphic Design, and an ASB in Marketing/Business Management earned at the same time.

The difference between education and training is almost philosophical.

A form of self betterment, and a way to broaden your horizons.

No, that to me would be well learned, which is different.

Working on a Electronics Degree ( I have a Vo-tech degree in it, but I want better training, and a real degree ) At PTi, good school.

http://www.pti.edu/

Best part is, I'm just shy of 20, and my employer is paying for 1/3rd of it, and I'll get a big ass bonus and raise for completing the program.

I've always been a fan of the 2 year schools, they don't have alot of bullshit 4 years schools do.

Disclaimer: Yes, I understand there is a good point to what I call bullshit, I just don't like it.

Done high school, first year of university, I'm planning on doing a double major in either Environmental Science and Political Science or Environmental Science and International Development, after that I want to go into law.

I have a BS in Graphic Design, and an ASB in Marketing/Business Management earned at the same time.

The difference between education and training is almost philosophical.

A form of self betterment, and a way to broaden your horizons.

No, that to me would be well learned, which is different.

So you would say that an MD, for the sake of argument a surgeon, though his education is narrow, is better educated than someone who has a knowledge in a broad spectrum of disciplines and is constantly working to increase his knowledge - just because he has an MD behind his name?

Al Gore then reinvented it.

A severely inferior version :(

What kind of education do you have?

I graduated high school and they were just as glad to see me go as I was to be gone. I've read(and continue to do) a whole mess of books, though, since then and I've knocked around the world, which provides lessons of it's own.

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

Training is generally learning useful and productive skills, like carpentry or steel-work or cooking. Education tends to be a bunch of theories and and endless debates about the whichness of whatness.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

I'm not entirely certain, to be honest. You need to be able to read, and do math, and have certain basic skills, but I think people tend to rise to the level of knowledge that they're willing to put the work in to achieve.

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

Definitely. There are lots of smart guys with good ideas out there, not having your name on a bit of pretty paper doesn't change that.

I consider that education can acquired without going to school and a well-educated person doesn't necessarily have credentials.

That's good. Wish more people did.

So you would say that an MD, for the sake of argument a surgeon, though his education is narrow, is better educated than someone who has a knowledge in a broad spectrum of disciplines and is constantly working to increase his knowledge - just because he has an MD behind his name?

No, I was trying to make a generalization between being taught by someone else (educated) and being self taught (learning).

That's what I thought you were asking.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

Will have my BS in Civil Engineering in about 3 months, will be an EIT at that point, and working on my masters degree/PhD.

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?
Tough question, I guess education is generally thought of as non-applied things, and training is applied? I think its a meaningless distinction, as most (probably all) education can have some sort of application, they just don't expect you to apply it for gainful employment.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

To learn shit.

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

Yes, but they're useful for letting people know more or less what you know about.

No, I was trying to make a generalization between being taught by someone else (educated) and being self taught (learning).

That's what I thought you were asking.

Ok. Education is pretty hard to define and means different things to different people. People can be self-educated.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?



I've got the German equivalent to a masters degree in librarianship.
I also did two years at university studying English and history.

The difference between education and training is that training is job-specific and much more interactive.

Education is supposed to provide you with all the background knowledge you might need in later life, and are unlikely to pick up elsewhere.

Yes, people can be educated without credentials. Credentials are just some form or proof of education.

I never went to University do am degree-less
I'm finding qualifications I have done during my work life are far more useful to my career progression though. I'm a 6 Sigma Greenbelt and hope to do my Blackbelt soon
(unfortunately having a Blackbelt does little to improve my fighting skills)

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?
BA in Secondary Education, English, teaching minor in computer education and a minor in Japanese studies. MS in Counseling & Educational Psychology with emphasis in information technology in education (I like alphabet soup).

What, if any, is the difference between education and training
Education tends to cover, IMO, a wider body of knowledge. When you go through education, being primary, secondary, or post, it's usually a different array of subjects, language art skills, mathematics, the sciences, the social sciences, art and music, etc. Training, in my experience, tends to focus in on a certain skill set only and ignores the wider base. NOT, it should be noted, that is particularly bad. If I need to know about Excel, I do not need to study the works of Shakespeare to get it. However, knowledge of the Bard comes in handy as an English teacher.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?
Simple enough, it gives you the tools to allow you to analyze, understand, and use the world that you live in. These tools include theory, practical knowledge, and process, as well as a working database upon which to draw upon.

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?
It's possible, but I think it is a harder route. I remember back when I was a freshman taking an intro into education and we were talking about why we need schools in the first place, because one on one education does seem to produce better results. I remember that my professor, a multi-decade veteran of teaching, noted that the problem with the one on one approach is that it's rather hard to find a Thomas Jefferson or Leonardo Da Vinci for everyone and that schools are just simply more efficient in educating the mass of people. It also makes a nice short cut in that accepting a piece of paper from a school or a credential is faster than having to test each person for knowledge.

A-Levels, BSc Psychology, MSc Applied Forensic Psychology, working on the PhD.

Like other people have said, i think education tends to be wider than training but also more theoretical. In that it teaches the underlying principles/theory underlying different subjects thus giving people the tools to then apply that framework to other aspects of the topic other than those studied.

For example: If you do a Computer Science degree, you will learn relevatively small number of actual programming languages, but you will learn a lot about how they work, what they are built on, the fundamentals behind them etc... meaning that you are then able to apply this to learning new languages much quicker than if you learnt each one seperately and in isolation.

My formal education was shit really, left school with two O levels and about 4 CSE's. Got a C&G in metal work and another in IT, I have one, count it one proffesional pass, thats a MSPS for windows 3.11.

It took me a good few years after leaving school to figure out my stratagies for learning and copeing with dyslexcia.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?
BA in History, concentration on Art History, minors in French and in English, MA (soon to have it) on Japanese, curation and restoration.

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?
Education is the learning of knowledge, information and skills during the course of life. Training is the acquisition of knowledge, skills, and competencies as a result of the teaching of vocational or practical skills and knowledge that relate to specific useful competencies. If one takes into consideration both definitions, one can see there is little difference between the two.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?
All I can say is that education is necessary. It's the only thing someone can't take away from you, to quote my mother.

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?
Perhaps. My great-grandfather was an excellent engineer. He, sadly, lacked the title.

My answers are the bolded ones.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

Currently finishing A levels (Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Politics) and studying Ancient Greek in my spare time. Once I've dealt with these, I'll be off to university to read Mathematics.

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

Education is about improving the mind, and extending one's capacity in that regard. Training deals directly with employment, and is about acquiring specific skills for a job/jobs.

Training gives you a fancy little pushbutton gizmo to solve a particular problem. Education gives you a mental Swiss Army knife, and teaches you how to use it for various purposes, so that you can then solve most problems by working from what you know.

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

To learn and develop oneself, providing one with the mental tools and foundations to cope well with changing circumstances and new problems.

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

Yes. You can also be badly educated and have the credentials, degrees, and diplomas. To be 'well educated' (a tricky to define phrase) I would say one needs to be erudite, well read, clear thinking, and capable of taking what one knows and extending it to new information and situations.

(Incidentally, I wrote these responses from the bottom up, they may make more sense read in that order.)

'Educated' is an artificial term meaning whatever the person saying it means by it. Thus I do not think I am educated just because I want to avoid this word as much as possible. It is no wonder that the public education system is a failure if they can not even agree on the definition of educated. Many things which are considered part of an education are only there because people expect them to be there. Literature for example. You can be a great person even though you have no idea who Shakespeare was.

university, 2 years in economics and politics, dropped out. otherwise the usual 3/2 A2/AS levels A-C and 12 GCSE's A* - B

no formal training in anything i do, and no education that's useful either. everything i've learned in my line(s) of work i've taught myself. i could consider my years at uni to be a waste of time, but i feel it was essential in forming who i am today. i've worked since i was 14 for the family business, full time for the last 6 years, so there's a bit of experience there. growing up in a family business teaches you a lot of things about business all the time you're growing up

for me, the line between experience, training and education is blurred, but they pretty much run in that order of importance to me

Apologies, I debated him out of existence yesterday, didn't mean to.

It's fine. He was kind of messy, and a total drunk.

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

I'm working towards (and now damn close to finishing up) a BS in Applied Physics. I will be moving on to graduate studies hopefully at the end of this year (not academic year).

As to the second question: I'd say yes. One can definitely educate themselves without some official, sanctioned accreditation or training. Hell, I'd say I'm decently well educated on philosophy despite having only taken a few classes on it (Beginning Logic, Critical Reasoning, Ethics, and Philosophy of Religion)

1) we won't talk about my GCSE's but I do have an AS level in Psychology and will hopefully be getting some OU degree stuff to add to that soon

I also have qualifications in looking after children (curse my manovaries), putting people back together with duct tape and numerous toys that make explosions >_>

2) education and training are one in the same

3) to teach you how to do stuff

4) I bloody well hope so but...*sigh* I guess thats kinda true I'm pretty dumb and the people who acquire useful degrees have their shit in order

BA in Theatre, god willing will be starting on my Master's soon.

*throws some change on the floor*

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

Time for a serious answer.

I'm in the fourth year of my six year degree program, which is History with a specification in Social Studies with a teaching certification option.

The difference between education and training is that education teaches you the theories and principles of your profession while training teaches you how to physically perform it.

The purpose of education is to enhance one's own wealth of knowledge and provide a basis for establishing themselves within their choosen profession.

Well-educated, I do not think so, but at the same time I think you can be well prepared for whatever profession you are attempting to have without having to be well-educated.

Degree in philosophy. The only times that has ever comes in useful is as either a conversation killer (leading to violence if some wit pipes up with "so - what's the meaning of life then?"), and bizarrely - on this forum.

Education is interesting. Training is the boring real-world application of education. Give me an ivory tower any day!

Education is what I do when I'm avoiding work but wanting to appear productive. I love wikipedia, for that reason...

I have credentials in the stuff I am bored by, and no recognised qualifications for things I am interested in. DOH!

Sort of the a spin-off from the "What Does NSG Do?" thread.

What kind of education do you have?

What, if any, is the difference between education and training?

What, in your opinion, is the purpose of education?

Can you be considered to be well-educated if you do not have credentials, degrees and diplomas?

For myself ...

I have a BSc. in Admin. I'm a few units shy of a degree in Ancient and Medieval History. I have taken post-secondary classes in art and literature.

Training is something that will make you employable and, hopefully, promotable. Education is an investment in quality of life and is an end in itself.

I consider that education can acquired without going to school and a well-educated person doesn't necessarily have credentials.

I agree with you. I have a law degree and a double major bachelor of arts degree.

leading to violence if some wit pipes up with "so - what's the meaning of life then?"

so makes a good person? :p

BA in English, MA in Secondary Education: English, certificate in Desktop Publishing.

Currently working on my BSc in electrical engineering. My goal is the MSc of course.

My answers are the bolded ones.

I have a BA in psychology with a concentration in human development. I have a BS in business/marketing. I have an MA in Education. I have 8 years of training in the intelligence field and graduated from OCS so I have all the requisite skills of an officer and a gentleman. The military helped pay for my education and also left me with a nice bullet-hole in my right thigh. I am educated because I am self motivated to learn new things. I currently work in a field that has little to do with most of my formal education. That education does help me though. I was always able to excel in school because of my high IQ and ability to consume anything and everything said during class discussion. I read, but only as much as I had to. I now love to read on a variety of different subjects. I speak 3 languages effectively enough to hold an intelligent conversation. I know enough Arabic (my 4th language) to get what I want and to insult someone well. I'm done writing now because I am bored. :p

I could get into it, but these things are kind of boring. I do honestly find that 90% of formal education is bureaucratic baloney that's just there for the system to make money on tuition and some of the preppiest ivy league wannabes I've come across have been dumb as dirt and soundly defeated by standard intellect. I plan to go back to school, but only for the formality. At least I did before all this recent stuff started happening. Now I wish I could just start a successful business.

I have a Ba (Hons) in Illustration from Edinburgh College of Art and a MA in Printmaking from Camberwell College of Arts.

My courses provided me with industry links, but little in the way of training artistically (as I was allowed to explore that on my own). I'm essentially self-taught.

The purpose of education from my limited experience is to mingle with people in a similar field, which leads towards greater understanding of that field.

Yeah, of course you can. I know plenty of self-taught artists, many of them much more accomplished than I am.

I think the real purpose of education is to teach you to question things, not just to accept everything unquestioningly and to think independently.