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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090208/ap_on_re_us/campaign_finance_lawsuit

Isn't it interesting that John McCain did one good thing in eight years, that the Republicans pushed it through and George W. Bush signed it and now they want to undo it? I giggled like a little girl when I read this article. :)

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I'm incapable of being surprised by stuff like this anymore. I've come to expect it.

How long before they say the exact same thing about the 22nd Amendment?

:D

I'm incapable of being surprised by stuff like this anymore. I've come to expect it.

Me too, politicians will stoop to lows that no human would dream of. What heppened is the republicans found out that the Democrats had more supporters than they do, but the Republicans have richer (by far) supporters and so are trying to save themselves by getting the big donations. I think that perhaps as a party they are starting to fall apart and become on thier last legs. Maybe they will fracture into smaller parties, an insanely conservative one, a conservateive one, then there will be room for a 4th party thats liberal enough to make the Democrats look moderates (which they are)

Next up, democracy questioned as inherently unfair to the losing party.

Oddly enough, I think they may have a point. Congress has every right to control campaign donations and money raising for Federal seats and races; their right to do so regarding STATE positions is siginificantly more questionable.

Oh sweet irony. :)

I've love to see the GOP machine die off from the lack of supporters/funds within the next decade. :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090208/ap_on_re_us/campaign_finance_lawsuit

Isn't it interesting that John McCain did one good thing in eight years, that the Republicans pushed it through and George W. Bush signed it and now they want to undo it? I giggled like a little girl when I read this article. :)

Well..y'know, when only one side is held to the rules, it kind makes sense to repeal them.

Well..y'know, when only one side is held to the rules, it kind makes sense to repeal them.

According to the article, Obama managed to raise his money within the rules while the GOP faltered. Originally it was meant to benefit the GOP it backfired and now their trying to wiggle their way out of it. SO what exactly do your mean by that statement??

According to the article, Obama managed to raise his money within the rules while the GOP faltered. Originally it was meant to benefit the GOP it backfired and now their trying to wiggle their way out of it. SO what exactly do your mean by that statement??

He means that now that the laws they passed to stymie their opponents have come back to bite them, they should be repealed so that they won't be limited from excess contributions by special interest groups. Or simpler: "It's not fair when it happens to us!"

According to the article, Obama managed to raise his money within the rules while the GOP faltered. Originally it was meant to benefit the GOP it backfired and now their trying to wiggle their way out of it. SO what exactly do your mean by that statement??

Disabled the credit-card verification system on the campaign's website in such a way that as long as the individual amounts didn't go too high, someone could donate an unlimited amount of money through bogus identities with the same card? From ANYWHERE? ISTR that someone wrote an article in which they used a valid card, but a bogus name- "John Galt", from "Galt's Gulch", to test it.

Mind you, the software in question has defaults, and the defaults had to be deliberately inactivated for this to work. Notably, the Obama campaign and the DNC recieved massive percentage of their contributions via online credit-cards...

All of which is apparently kosher, since nobody got busted for fraud. Interestingly enough, Biden's known to be in the pocket of a lot of credit-issuers in Delaware (which is the capital of credit-card processing due to the legal structure in that state), and after their opposition took the bait, the DNC and their presidential candidate "complied" with the law by refusing to accept public money-which in turn freed them from restrictions on how much they could accept and spend.

Personally, I AM entertained by the fact that the RNC got bit by their own horse in this-amused even, and I don't expect the repeal effort to have any legs whatsoever-the "leaders'' of the Party betrayed their principles for eight years, and deserved to lose, and it's amusing that the Democrats did so by manipulating those same rules they put in place to hamper them.

I find it somewhat unfortunate that we're going to be a one-party state now, with no viable opposition to keep things even remotely honest. I rather expect that a repeal of Presidential term limits may, around..oh, 2015 or so be floated seriously, and similar manipulations will pass it-possibly through invocations of FDR's successes, and sufficient changes to the makeup of the Supreme Court and Federal Courts to get it through.

But what can ya do? There just isn't a viable opposition in this country, and won't be in the foreseeable future-the democrats CAN have it their way, all the time, now.

The payoff was handed through a GOP president, which just makes it worse-the Bailout of the Banks in September of last year clinched the deal.

I find it somewhat unfortunate that we're going to be a one-party state now, with no viable opposition to keep things even remotely honest. I rather expect that a repeal of Presidential term limits may, around..oh, 2015 or so be floated seriously, and similar manipulations will pass it-possibly through invocations of FDR's successes, and sufficient changes to the makeup of the Supreme Court and Federal Courts to get it through.

Not a chance. Democrats turn on their own too fast to support anyone forever.

Not a chance. Democrats turn on their own too fast to support anyone forever.


Most of the Democrats are starting to moan and whine about Obama already, calling him a traitor because he isn't acting as ultra-liberal as he made himself out to be on the campaign trail. Likely he realizes that being ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative right now would most likely break the back of the country, as those policies would push us even closer towards bankruptcy than we already are.

Most of the Democrats are starting to moan and whine about Obama already, calling him a traitor because he isn't acting as ultra-liberal as he made himself out to be on the campaign trail. Likely he realizes that being ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative right now would most likely break the back of the country, as those policies would push us even closer towards bankruptcy than we already are.

I must've slept through that part: When exactly did he act like an ultra-liberal? :confused:

I hope the GOP never goes away. This kind of entertainment is hard to come by.

This reminds me of how the state representatives of the good people of Nebraska have suddenly decided that splitting their electoral college votes by electoral district might not be such a good idea since Obama proved that those evil Democrats might actually be able to win one of them.

And before someone lectures me on how the unicameral legislature of Nebraska is officially non-partisan, yes, I know. Notwithstanding, the current unofficial best guess is that said non-partisan legislature consists of about 32 Republicans and 17 Democrats.

I must've slept through that part: When exactly did he act like an ultra-liberal? :confused:

In the soggy wet dreams of patchouli-scented coffeehouse patrons everywhere.

In the soggy wet dreams of patchouli-scented coffeehouse patrons everywhere.

I bet that shirtless photo didn't help. Or maybe it did! :eek:

I must've slept through that part: When exactly did he act like an ultra-liberal? :confused:

He hasn't in office. He's been refreshingly moderate, though most of his campaign promises involved talk of expanding government, taxing the rich, creating government jobs and multi-billion dollar environmental projects, all ultra-liberal agendas.

He hasn't in office. He's been refreshingly moderate, though most of his campaign promises involved talk of expanding government, taxing the rich, creating government jobs and multi-billion dollar environmental projects, all ultra-liberal agendas.

I like you. You're silly. :)

I like you. You're silly. :)

Normally I'd give you a big hug and we'd exchange pleasantries. I fear this is impossible over teh interwebz. :(

I must've slept through that part: When exactly did he act like an ultra-liberal? :confused:

Us foreigners still can't tell the Democrats and the Republicans apart! I'm starting to doubt that Americans can either!

I have a strong feeling I'm going to see the GOP go the way of the Whigs within my lifetime. Gosh, just the thought makes me giddy.

Most of the Democrats are starting to moan and whine about Obama already, calling him a traitor because he isn't acting as ultra-liberal as he made himself out to be on the campaign trail. Likely he realizes that being ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative right now would most likely break the back of the country, as those policies would push us even closer towards bankruptcy than we already are.
Pardon? Who's been complaining about Obama? Got any sources for this?

Isn't it interesting that John McCain did one good thing in eight years,

This notion you seem to have that restricting the sacred natural right of the individual to promote the expression of ideas and views he agrees with to the limit of his ability and desire is somehow a "good thing" is almost as despicable as the act of slavery and murder of the human spirit that restricting the sacred natural right of the individual to promote the expression of ideas and views he agrees with to the limit of his ability and desire constitutes.

I find it somewhat unfortunate that we're going to be a one-party state now, with no viable opposition to keep things even remotely honest. I rather expect that a repeal of Presidential term limits may, around..oh, 2015 or so be floated seriously, and similar manipulations will pass it-possibly through invocations of FDR's successes, and sufficient changes to the makeup of the Supreme Court and Federal Courts to get it through.

Lol, you're China, except less efficient.

I find it somewhat unfortunate that we're going to be a one-party state now, with no viable opposition to keep things even remotely honest. I rather expect that a repeal of Presidential term limits may, around..oh, 2015 or so be floated seriously, and similar manipulations will pass it-possibly through invocations of FDR's successes, and sufficient changes to the makeup of the Supreme Court and Federal Courts to get it through.

But what can ya do? There just isn't a viable opposition in this country, and won't be in the foreseeable future-the democrats CAN have it their way, all the time, now.


Sorry, Sudova, but you're WAY off.

Neither the Republicans nor the extreme Right are going anywhere. The GOP middle Right-Centrists (and there are plenty of them) are going to savage the extremist wing and the Christian Coalitionists in the party; watch for major changes in the leadership, not now, but in two years when we have the Senate races, and in four years when (if - but likely) Obama annihilates his opponent and grabs a second term - unless the Republican party can turn the trends around, there will be bloodletting in the backrooms.

In eight years, expect a leaner, meaner Republican machine to contest the open election, one aiming for the moderate conservative (like me) that they've alienated throughout the Bush presidency and those dissatisfied with Obama (as there always are).

The extreme Right is also going nowhere. They won't change much; they're too stupid to realize the magnitude of the rejection they got this time. But they can STILL deliver 15% of the voters, guaranteed, and there WILL be politicians who will use that.