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Did this before, I am starting it up again.

Who was or is the best president?

Please post comments

Andrew Jackson only president to pay off the debt.

Teddy Roosevelt, simply because he considered a Grizzly a "Teddy Bear". He was the Chuck Norris of his time. *nods*

I was borne when FDR was in office and I remember every President from Truman on. The best President ever was Ronald Reagan. Hail to the Gipper.

I was borne when FDR was in office and I remember every President from Truman on. The best President ever was Ronald Reagan. Hail to the Gripper.Gripper-of-his-ankles, you surely mean.

Thanks for keeping the satire alive, though. :)

William Henry Harrison. I don't think he made a single bad policy his entire term. *nod*

Charles de Gaulle.

I'm going to say FDR

Every president has done good and bad. I cant say who was the best, but Im voting for TR, because he set up a lot of really important institutions and regulations.

Every president has done good and bad. I cant say who was the best, but Im voting for TR, because he set up a lot of really important institutions and regulations.

He was the first big time conservationist... sorta...

Jefferson, in my opinion.

Jefferson, in my opinion.

Really? Im not the hugest jefferson fan. Might I ask why?

Andrew Jackson only president to pay off the debt.

Also the only one to openly tell the Supreme Court to go fuck itself. A gigantic dick besides.

I may have to go with Lincoln, cliche as it may seem. Sure, I don't like everything he did, but y'know.

Really? Im not the hugest jefferson fan. Might I ask why?

What's wrong with Jeffersons? They spend just as well as Washingtons and take up less room in your wallet. :)
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Martin Van Buren, a sensible man.

Martin Van Buren, a sensible man.

If I remember correctly he was also the only one that was single.

If I remember correctly he was also the only one that was single.

That only strengthens his statement.

*rimshot*

If I remember correctly he was also the only one that was single.

It appears he was a widower...

I picked Reagan because his two terms coincided with the development of the personal computer and the fleshing out of DARPAnet, two things which have had a major impact on all of our lives and might not have been accomplished without his leadership and support for technology and military research.

I think I've gotta go with Jed Bartlett.










(Next time, be more specific.)

That only strengthens his statement.

*rimshot*

I was backing his statement up.

I was backing his statement up.

And I was dissing marriage in general.

Also the only one to openly tell the Supreme Court to go fuck itself. A gigantic dick besides.

I may have to go with Lincoln, cliche as it may seem. Sure, I don't like everything he did, but y'know.

That's another thing i like about Jackson. He smacked the court's power down, it took really until the Civil war for SCOTUS to begin expanding its authority again. And his method of dealing with secessionist was far more effective and less costly. Just explain you will personally come down there and hang the lot of them from the highest trees.

Bill Clinton. I would have previously said FDR, but I've read a few things that have made me think that maybe his economic policies weren't quite so good as I'd been previously led to believe.

I picked Reagan because his two terms coincided with the development of the personal computer and the fleshing out of DARPAnet, two things which have had a major impact on all of our lives and might not have been accomplished without his leadership and support for technology and military research.

So because a President happens to be in office when those things happen makes that president great?

ARPAnet was engineered before Reagan was in office (1969).

Mainstreaming of ARPAnet into the Internet was abetted by one Tennessee senator named Al Gore, Jr. in 1988-91. After Reagan.

As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill") after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).[49][50][51] The bill was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway."[52]

So by your logic, Nixon's great because NASA landed on the Moon while he was in office. The Beatles hit the scene during LBJ's tenure, there's some points. Let's see...Jimmy Carter ushered in the death of disco....

Coincidence does not greatness make.

That's another thing i like about Jackson. He smacked the court's power down, it took really until the Civil war for SCOTUS to begin expanding its authority again.

Supreme court's judgment regarding Indian removal was the morally correct one, even if the court has no authority to make such judgments.

William Henry Harrison.
Closely followed by James Garfield.

So because a President happens to be in office when those things happen makes that president great?

ARPAnet was engineered before Reagan was in office (1969).

Mainstreaming of ARPAnet into the Internet was abetted by one Tennessee senator named Al Gore, Jr. in 1988-91. After Reagan.



So by your logic, Nixon's great because NASA landed on the Moon while he was in office. The Beatles hit the scene during LBJ's tenure, there's some points. Let's see...Jimmy Carter ushered in the death of disco....

Coincidence does not greatness make.

You totally ignored where I said those things might not have happened without the military funding. Just because there were PCs in 1979, and there was research into the Internet before Reagan's term, doesn't mean the process wasn't significantly bolstered by the President's decisions.

Methinks you are either a blind Reagan hater or just have something against me to make such a blunt statement when I'm just selecting an option on a poll and defending it.

EDIT: It should be clear to most people that I'm only arguing that the Internet and PCs were not fully ready for public consumption, and that Reagan's military research funding was a boon that PC technology and the Internet benefited a lot from due to:

a) the military's desire to have small portable computers which led to many of the technologies we enjoyed when they hit the private market in the 90's
b) the conversion of DARPAnet, which attained maturity under Reagan's Pentagon, into the wonderful thing known as the Internet. And yes, if you like, I'll even give Gore a little credit for sponsoring the bill you referenced.

Supreme court's judgment regarding Indian removal was the morally correct one, even if the court has no authority to make such judgments.

but not the pragmatic one.
they should have ordered there removal.
then Jackson would have deployed troops to keep them there just to show up the court.

but not the pragmatic one.
they should have ordered there removal.
then Jackson would have deployed troops to keep them there just to show up the court.

True, though Andrew Jackson ended up being accessory to the theft of land.

You totally ignored where I said those things might not have happened without the military funding. Just because there were PCs in 1979, and there was research into the Internet before Reagan's term, doesn't mean the process wasn't significantly bolstered by the President's decisions.

Methinks you are either a blind Reagan hater or just have something against me to make such a blunt statement when I'm just selecting an option on a poll and defending it.

EDIT: It should be clear to most people that I'm only arguing that the Internet and PCs were not fully ready for public consumption, and that Reagan's military research funding was a boon that PC technology and the Internet benefited a lot from due to:

a) the military's desire to have small portable computers which led to many of the technologies we enjoyed when they hit the private market in the 90's
b) the conversion of DARPAnet, which attained maturity under Reagan's Pentagon, into the wonderful thing known as the Internet. And yes, if you like, I'll even give Gore a little credit for sponsoring the bill you referenced.

"Might". Your word. You've absolutely no way to show how Reagan was in any way responsible for the Internet. I'm happy to agree with "indebted the US into the ground to bankrupt the Soviet Union and end the Cold War.

If by "sponsoring" you mean "shared in its drafting", then fine. You're guilty of some partisanship yourself here. And you've totally ignored the point that coincidence doesn't mean squat.

Teddy Roosevelt.

True, though Andrew Jackson ended up being accessory to the theft of land.

I think the court should have realized jackson was just looking to show em up on something. so they should have ruled to make the showing up be the right thing. In fact the court realized this and ruled so jackson would show them up by removing them form the land. So it is clear the fault of the indian removal is the evil court not holy Jackson.

I think the court should have realized jackson was just looking to show em up on something. so they should have ruled to make the showing up be the right thing. In fact the court realized this and ruled so jackson would show them up by removing them form the land. So it is clear the fault of the indian removal is the evil court not holy Jackson.

Well I hope you're right.

Well I hope you're right.

When he mentioned Evil Court, and Holy Jackson... he was being sarcastic ;).

When he mentioned Evil Court, and Holy Jackson... he was being sarcastic ;).

damn some people are starting to figure me out.

When he mentioned Evil Court, and Holy Jackson... he was being sarcastic ;).

I was being sarcastic too.

Goin TR on this one......

I got to go with Lincoln.

I'm torn between Lincoln and Reagan, myself. Given the nature of the forum, I wouldn't have have expected Reagan to be tied for third place with Lincoln, and JFK and LBJ to have no votes. I'd have thought the exact opposite would happen.

Supreme court's judgment regarding Indian removal was the morally correct one, even if the court has no authority to make such judgments.

If an institution's not got the legal authority to do something, it doesn't really matter if they have the moral high ground or not.

Harrison Ford in Air Force One.

That's another thing i like about Jackson. He smacked the court's power down, it took really until the Civil war for SCOTUS to begin expanding its authority again. And his method of dealing with secessionist was far more effective and less costly. Just explain you will personally come down there and hang the lot of them from the highest trees.

Sure, the Courts may have been granting themselves far more power than the Constitution intended, but you'd think that Jackson would've admired that trait, considering he was doing the exact same thing all through his presidency.

Im surprised King George III hasnt made the list yet, lol....

Sure, the Courts may have been granting themselves far more power than the Constitution intended, but you'd think that Jackson would've admired that trait, considering he was doing the exact same thing all through his presidency.

what pray tell did he do ?
Vetoed the charter of a bank ?
Removed federal funds from said bank when he realized it was going to collapse ?
Sign a new treaty with the Cherokee? which is an explicit right the president has.

That's another thing i like about Jackson.
Shame about the whole Indians thing -_-

I'd say, ooh... Coolidge. He was quiet at least.

*edit* And the 3 of you who voted Obama need to get punched in the face.

I'm a traditionalist, I'll go with Washington. Ya know, first in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen.

*edit* And the 3 of you who voted Obama need to get punched in the face.

Yeah i am prone to agree at least let him get his first term in.
In fact who ever added him to the poll needs a kick in the nuts.

Charles de Gaulle? Martti Ahtisaari? Vigdís Finnbogadóttir? Otto von Bismarck?

Oh, sorry, this was the best president of USA...


:tongue:

edit:
Voted for Bill Clinton: Surplus budget in the USA - WTF?

Yeah i am prone to agree at least let him get his first term in.
In fact who ever added him to the poll needs a kick in the nuts.

I only added him to the poll because I knew some idiot would vote for him!

I'm going to have to go with John Quincy Adams.

Grover Cleveland, on two non consecutive occassions.

I only added him to the poll because I knew some idiot would vote for him!

Thats very unamerican of you. In democracy your only supposed to have two choices.

Edit: GW Bush was the best one. The rest of the world can make fun of you for at least 50 years because of that guy...

Also the only one to openly tell the Supreme Court to go fuck itself. A gigantic dick besides.

I may have to go with Lincoln, cliche as it may seem. Sure, I don't like everything he did, but y'know.

And I don't like anything he did! Yay for converses!

William Henry Harrison.
Closely followed by James Garfield.

Well that's two votes for William Henry Harrison. He rocked. And he was a serious badass. I even heard a rumor that he slept with snakes. *nod*

It only took 2 and a half weeks to expose Obama as a complete failure. Wonder what he will do for an encore. Allow all the terrorist in Gitmo to return to terrorizing? Ooops, too late there, that's already starting.

It only took 2 and a half weeks to expose Obama as a complete failure.

I know, seriously, all america knows he's a total failure now, what with an approval rating unmatched at this point in a presidency since Kennedy! Americans have sure turned against Obama, what with only receiving the support of two thirds of the country.

I know, seriously, all america knows he's a total failure now, what with an approval rating unmatched at this point in a presidency since Kennedy! Americans have sure turned against Obama, what with only receiving the support of two thirds of the country.

He goes back on all campaign promises, uses lobyist in his admin against his own executive orders, and is a fearmongerer responsible for the crap sandwich that is the bailout.

Fail.

He goes back on all campaign promises, uses lobyist in his admin against his own executive orders, and is a fearmongerer responsible for the crap sandwich that is the bailout.

Fail.

did a neocon actually accuse the DEMOCRATS of fearmongering? Wow.

A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."

-- President Obama, Feb. 4.

Fearmongerer in chief.

Neocon? Is that your argument? Stand up on the soapbox that is 10000 posts, point and call names?

Ok. I guess you win. Sorry to have interrupted your grandstanding. Namecalling... WTF?

I belive in freemarkets, non-intervention, an end to welfare, and no nation building. That is not neocon, that is con.

But you are clearly the master. Typicla leftwing argument. When confronted with logic, call names. Also works for the preschooler in my home. "Stinkypants!"

I belive in freemarkets, non-intervention, an end to welfare, and no nation building. That is not neocon, that is con.

It's also national suicide

But you are clearly the master. Typicla leftwing argument. When confronted with logic, call names. Also works for the preschooler in my home. "Stinkypants!"

I call em as I see em. You've presented no logic because you've made no argument. Just typical right wing wankerism of "OBAMA IS A FAILURE!"

We get it, you don't like Obama, you're entitled to your beliefs. You're not, however, entitled to your own reality. And while you're quite free to believe as you wish, the overwhelming number of americans disagree with you.

Charles de Gaulle? Martti Ahtisaari? Vigdís Finnbogadóttir? Otto von Bismarck?

Oh, sorry, this was the best president of USA...


Finnbogadóttir was a non-executive ceremonial president in a parliamentary system, and Bismarck was Chancellor in a monarchy, so for very different reasons, neither would qualify as a great president. Finnbogadóttir didn't have any power, and Bismarck wasn't a president.

Oh wait. We're still talking about Americans!

It's unoriginal, but I'll go with the Holy Troika of Washington, Lincoln and FDR.

As to those who think so highly of Reagan, I think it might be interesting to wait another decade and see how he rates after the current economic situation and potential resulting paradigm shift regarding the role of the government and unregulated capitalism before making a final judgement. And if you're tempted to reply 'yes, but there's still the fall of Communism', well... even if we accept that, that still sort of makes him the mirror image of LBJ, who might have been remembered as a great president because of his domestic initiatives (particularly the Civil Rights Act) if it hadn't been for that unfortunate little misunderstanding in Vietnam.

It's also national suicide



I call em as I see em. You've presented no logic because you've made no argument. Just typical right wing wankerism of "OBAMA IS A FAILURE!"

We get it, you don't like Obama, you're entitled to your beliefs. You're not, however, entitled to your own reality. And while you're quite free to believe as you wish, the overwhelming number of americans disagree with you.



pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttt.

The sound a giant tongue making a giant raspberry. I can play at your level.

Wankerism? overwhelming amounts of americans wanted the war in Iraq. I bet you agree with them still right, or do you just agree with polls that show what you belive?

Go outside, speak to actual people, not just the people so desperate for acceptance of their ideas they manipulate polls

Wankerism? overwhelming amounts of americans wanted the war in Iraq.

Based on the reasons they were told to be true. Which turned out later to be lies.

Go outside, speak to actual people, not just the people so desperate for acceptance of their ideas they manipulate polls

Ah yes, typical nonsense. If the polls disagree with what you think, the polls must be wrong, and the actual outcome is something different.

When was the last time I heard something like that? I believe it was November 3, 2008.

It only took 2 and a half weeks to expose Obama as a complete failure. Wonder what he will do for an encore. Allow all the terrorist in Gitmo to return to terrorizing? Ooops, too late there, that's already starting.

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg

Washington. He'll kick you apart. He'll KICK you APART!

I submit the best future president:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/holygroundhog/Futurama_nixons_head.png

I know, seriously, all america knows he's a total failure now, what with an approval rating unmatched at this point in a presidency since Kennedy!
What about just-past 9/11 Bush?

Also his approval rating is high because he's just been elected and, more to the point, he won with a bit of a landslide and all. Can't judge a man off the back of a couple of weeks in office, let's be honest.

Cyrus Griffen.

JFK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_lcNAqNfos)

Queen Elizabeth II.

I find the leftists who call Obama the best president ever hilarious, just as I find the rightists who call him the worst hilarious. He's been president for 2 and a bit fucking weeks, people.

Harry Truman...

...except for his Supreme Court appointments.

What about just-past 9/11 Bush?

Please note I said "at this point in a presidency "

Also his approval rating is high because he's just been elected and, more to the point, he won with a bit of a landslide and all. Can't judge a man off the back of a couple of weeks in office, let's be honest.

I agree that it's not indicative of how he will do in the next 206 weeks. however it does serve as a fairly adequate rebuttal to the lame argument of "he's already a failure!"

By whose standards? Certainly not the vast majority of americans.

Please note I said "at this point in a presidency "
Sorry, didn't see that in my blind rage.
it does serve as a fairly adequate rebuttal to the lame argument of "he's already a failure!"
No, it doesn't. "We'll have a see" would be a top response.

Queen Elizabeth II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

Queen Elizabeth II.

Of England or of Spain?

If it's Elizabeth II of Spain, she was an amazing if misunderstood queen.

Of England or of Spain?

If it's Elizabeth II of Spain, she was an amazing if misunderstood queen.

Of Norway actually. Nailed those Danish scum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

I hate that song.

All you guys/gals with monarchs need to introduce some variety in naming schemes. This is far too confusing.

Of Norway actually. Nailed those Danish scum.

There was an Elizabeth II of Norway?

There was an Elizabeth II of Norway?

Probably. They seem to be limited to Margaret and Elizabeth over there.

All you guys/gals with monarchs need to introduce some variety in naming schemes. This is far too confusing.

Those are the names of the royal European houses. There's really not much of a confusion, you're just not used to it.

Probably. They seem to be limited to Margaret and Elizabeth over there.

What do you know, eh? One learns something new every day.:tongue:

Those are the names of the royal European houses. There's really not much of a confusion, you're just not used to it.

Still, we could change Norway's to Norlizabeth, Spain's to Splizabeth, and England's can remain Elizabeth.

How's that sound?

Still, we could change Norway's to Norlizabeth, Spain's to Splizabeth, and England's can remain Elizabeth.

How's that sound?

Here we go, smart-ass remark as it was to be expected.:tongue:

Still, we could change Norway's to Norlizabeth, Spain's to Splizabeth, and England's can remain Elizabeth.

How's that sound?

But England's Elizabeth is Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc's monarch as well, so we'd have to call he Escwnoricnwzalizabeth.

But England's Elizabeth is Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc's monarch as well, so we'd have to call he Escwnoricnwzalizabeth.

I approve the name change to Escwnoricnwzalizabeth. Um, how do you pronounce that phonetically?

I approve the name change to Escwnoricnwzalizabeth. Um, how do you pronounce that phonetically?

Esk-wa-nori-cnwza-lizabeth

I hate that song.

To the gallows with you then.

Of England or of Spain?

If it's Elizabeth II of Spain, she was an amazing if misunderstood queen.

Sorry, couldn't find her on Wikipedia, therefore the Spanish one doesn't exist. It's the law. *nods*

Sorry, couldn't find her on Wikipedia, therefore the Spanish one doesn't exist. It's the law. *nods*

Isabel II. Check that.

Esk-wa-nori-cnwza-lizabeth

I'm having trouble pronouncing that syllable.

FDR, Lincoln, and LBJ were the worst, of course.

The best was Barry Goldwater.

Isabel II. Check that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_II_of_Spain

I see. But her name is Isabella not Elizabeth. That's a disqualification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_II_of_Spain

I see. But her name is Isabella not Elizabeth. That's a disqualification.

Nope. Isabel is her given Spanish name. No disqualifications. Know thyself!

FDR, Lincoln, and LBJ were the worst, of course.

The best was Barry Goldwater.

perhaps you were confused. This topic was about actual presidents. Not president of fantasy land.

Nope. Isabel is her given Spanish name. No disqualifications. Know thyself!

pfft, Spanish. It's not a real language. Anyways, everyone knows you just stole it from Mexico.

pfft, Spanish. It's not a real language. Anyways, everyone knows you just stole it from Mexico.

*thwaps NM in the head with a fish*
Insolent person!

This is why Lincoln was the coolest.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Putin.

Check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

Nobody can touch him just about the whole country feels the same way.

Can you imagine there are presidents worse than GWB. Wow!

Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson, maybe. The poll options all suck.

pfft, Spanish. It's not a real language.
It's a dialect of Basque.

A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."

-- President Obama, Feb. 4.

Fearmongerer in chief.

Neocon? Is that your argument? Stand up on the soapbox that is 10000 posts, point and call names?

Ok. I guess you win. Sorry to have interrupted your grandstanding. Namecalling... WTF?

I belive in freemarkets, non-intervention, an end to welfare, and no nation building. That is not neocon, that is con.

But you are clearly the master. Typicla leftwing argument. When confronted with logic, call names. Also works for the preschooler in my home. "Stinkypants!"

You do recall that it was the Right-wing that accused people that disagreed with them of hating freedom, right? For the past eight years at least, name calling has not been the ultimate weapon of the Left, but of the Right.

By whose standards? Certainly not the vast majority of americans.

59% approve of his actions. Not a vast majority, to use your vaunted polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_approval_index



Crashing numbers. :D Fearmongerer in chief.

I find the leftists who call Obama the best president ever hilarious, just as I find the rightists who call him the worst hilarious. He's been president for 2 and a bit fucking weeks, people.

Since when has reality ever impeded sensationalist discourse?

Wouldn't venture an opinion as to the best president personally; not an area of study really.

59% approve of his actions. Not a vast majority, to use your vaunted polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_approval_index



Crashing numbers. :D Fearmongerer in chief.

Overall, 60% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance so far .

Of course, this is Rasmussen, an organization that had about a 4% republican lean in the 2008 elections. Gallup has him at 67%, and CNN's poll of polls?

A new CNN/Opinion Research poll suggests that three-quarters of the country approves of the job Obama is doing as president

No poll, not a single one, shows obama's lead at 50%, or even below 60%. Are you right wingers allergic to the truth or something? Of course, some cherry picking of data is expected, but wouldn't the 4 point miss from Rasmussen in the election make you a LITTLE skeptical of their results?

59% approve of his actions. Not a vast majority, to use your vaunted polls.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_approval_index



Crashing numbers. :D Fearmongerer in chief.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/troll_web.jpg

No poll, not a single one, shows obama's lead at 50%, or even below 60%. Are you right wingers allergic to the truth or something? Of course, some cherry picking of data is expected, but wouldn't the 4 point miss from Rasmussen in the election make you a LITTLE skeptical of their results?

Can't trust 'reality'. Well-known liberal bias, reality.

did a neocon actually accuse the DEMOCRATS of fearmongering? Wow....It's rather funny.

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2008/04/america-kill-you-in-your-sleep-500x375.jpg
GW, FTW~

also worth pointing out that 62% want less spending and more tax cuts in the stimulus package.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/february_2009/62_want_stimulus_plan_to_have_more_tax_cuts_less_spending

i don't think we've had a really good one yet. kennidy was in some ways. carter in others. FDR in some, and truman. yet even the best history claims, have done things in ways that themselves created crises for others further down the line.

i wouldn't say there was any one best one. rather a hand full of passibly decent, for the most part, ones, and an overwhelming majority of total disasters if they are to be judged by the pretentions claims of the country as to its values and ideals.

obama has every chance of proving himself at least one of the decent ones, and ghod knows we desperately need one. so far so good, mostly, except for a lot of his first cabinet picks. i can understand the political strategy of choosing them, just not the best choices for what we really need right now though, as far as i can see.

I'm having trouble pronouncing that syllable.

Kun-wzza

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Absolutely hands-down.

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/7130/r1905525111.jpg

Close second.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~cap/smithson/polk.jpg

Would be up there if he was not so imperial.

http://www.franklin.ma.us/auto/upload/schools/fhs/639-andrew-jackson-picture.jpg

Worst.

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