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I'm thinking aubout finding a job and moving to a foreign country.
Are there people who having experiences with this?
Is it difficult to adapt to a different culture?
What are the do's and don'ts?
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In short: everthing what's in connection with this subject.

Moving a broad? Is she heavy or what?

Non! abroad is British for foreign country...

I would personally never do it. The question is, do the monetary rewards outweigh having to (usually) learn a new language or get used to a markedly different culture and distance yourself from family and friends back home.

Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt.

As long as you back yourself to find that job, do it. It is always better to broaden your horizons and remove yourself from your comfort zone.

I've never done it, but I've always thought that the things you will miss would be the things you least expect to - moving away from your home is a bigger thing than I think some people realise.

I'm thinking aubout finding a job and moving to a foreign country.
Are there people who having experiences with this?
Yeah, I think I can say that I do have experience with it.

Is it difficult to adapt to a different culture?
Depends. It depends a great deal on the culture you're going to, it also depends a very great deal on you. How willing to adapt you are and what things will you NOT give up from your home country.

What are the do's and don'ts?
Do: research EVERYTHING about the country you wish to go to. Read the news from there so you're aware of current events as well as history. Make sure you know about the weather, the customs, and a bit of the language (You don't have to be fluent, but at least know enough to say that you're not).

Do: make sure you visit the website of the consulate general or embassy of the country you want to go to. Not only can you find out info on that nation, but more importantly you'll find out the stuff you need to immigrate and the requirements for the visa that you'll want to get to work.

Do: find a job BEFORE you head over. I know that's a tough one, but it makes it easier to get a visa and you're not under pressure. Also, your employer can help with housing and other issues.

Don't: wander over to another country and just expect to find a job. Most countries are not happy with people who do that.

Don't get a tourist visa and then attempt to find a job. Violating your visa can get you quickly thrown out of a country.

Don't expect that your life will be the same as where you are now, you need to keep in mind that they do things differently wherever you're going.

Don't expect that you can adapt to everything that they do over there either though. You'll find that there will be things that you just cannot either accept or adapt to, and that's fine.

That help?

"Just try not to say anything too loud or crass"

Yes Nervun that are handy tips.
tnx

I've done it. Why do you want to move though? Is it temporary, as an experience?

If it's more permenant then there's a distinction between moving TO somewhere you love and moving FROM a place you don't like. The former usually works out a lot healthier than the latter.

Got a particular country in mind?

I think it will start for me as a experience and if i liked it it could be permenant.
I'm thinking about moving because there's not very much that holds me here.
And it's a combination of moving to a country I like and away from the place i'm currently live.

I'm thinking aubout finding a job and moving to a foreign country.
Are there people who having experiences with this?
Is it difficult to adapt to a different culture?
What are the do's and don'ts?
....
In short: everthing what's in connection with this subject.

Went from Germany to Ireland nearly 6 years ago... no problems whatsoever.
It depends what country you come from, and where you want to move to.
If it's outside the European union, expect a lengthy paper war to get permission of residence and permission to work...

I think it will start for me as a experience and if i liked it it could be permenant.
I'm thinking about moving because there's not very much that holds me here.
And it's a combination of moving to a country I like and away from the place i'm currently live.

Why don't you like the place you currently live?

I think you are correct Cabra West. I'm also of the European Union (little Belgium)and i'm thinking about Italy.

One good reason Sirmomo1 the weather in Belgium is terrible :-).

Don't: wander over to another country and just expect to find a job. Most countries are not happy with people who do that.

Unless of course you posess some rare and highly desired skill, like being an Olympic class athlete (or at least a valuable addition to the nations football team), several university degrees and so on.

Otherwise NERVUN is quite correct.

I think you are correct Cabra West. I'm also of the European Union (little Belgium)and i'm thinking about Italy.

Ok, in which case I would advise learning the language (if you haven't done so already), and start looking online to see what jobs there are, were they are, and which ones might suit you.
It's going to be difficult to even get invited for an interview as long as you're not in the country yet, but you can maybe contact some employment agencies to get your CV around a bit.
Also, you might want to look into living expenses, rent, etc. as well as average salaries to give you a good negotiation basis when it comes to job and pay. :)

Do: find a job BEFORE you head over. I know that's a tough one, but it makes it easier to get a visa and you're not under pressure. Also, your employer can help with housing and other issues.

Don't: wander over to another country and just expect to find a job. Most countries are not happy with people who do that.



Inside the European Union, I would advise the opposite.
Most employers will not interview anyone who isn't yet in the country, as there are far too many time wasters. And there are agreements regarding unemployment benefits which allow you to receive benefits in whatever EU country you happen to look for a job in, for a total of 3 months.

One good reason Sirmomo1 the weather in Belgium is terrible :-).

Belgium is a nice place imo

Anyway - if weather is the important thing, what kind of places are you thinking of.. Spain? Italy? France? Do you speak any of the languages? Do you have a job now?

you can live and work in any (?) EU country for 6 months so if you don't have any in mind maybe you could take a few working holidays :)

i'm thinking about Italy.

why on Earth would you want to move to Italy?

unemployment benefits which allow you to receive benefits in whatever EU country you happen to look for a job in, for a total of 3 months.

I thought that was just the Netherlands :confused:

Yes i'm thinking about those places. Not Italian or Spanish but with German/English and French I think you come far in the E.U. I have a job so i'm not intending to leave before I got another one of course.

why on Earth would you want to move to Italy?

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Because I realy like that country.

I would personally never do it. The question is, do the monetary rewards outweigh having to (usually) learn a new language or get used to a markedly different culture and distance yourself from family and friends back home.
because lord knows, you wouldn't want to expand your horizons or anything now, would you?

I agree with everything Nervun said.
If you do go over even if there's a job lined up and everything, go with a return ticket. You can try to cash it in later. Usually you can change the departure date, though you might need to pay for it. At worse you lose the money it cost you (but that's not that much as one-way tickets are invariably more than 1/2 what return tickets are). Oh, and go during off-season (ie outside school holidays) as the ticket prices are way lower. Find when the major holidays are for the countries you want to visit, as this may make flights that much more expensive.

Don't take it for granted everything will work out okay. Make sure you've got enough to live on for a couple of months if you need to. Many Asian countries pay monthly in arrears, which can make it very difficult at the start. Say you turn up a month before your job starts to get in some sightseeing: That means 2 full months (at least, as some companies pay in the 1st week of the month following) you'll be living off your savings and visa.

I did the big OE job xp. Went to China with eff-all in my pocket only to find that my promised job was just a promise and not a job. I had to to find another job asap - and that job didn't start for 6 weeks, which meant almost 11 weeks without income.
It made for a very difficult, though resourceful, time. You'll be surprised how far you can make a pack of noodles go when necessary!

Stay away from street vendors selling food - unless you really want to spend the next fortnight pissing rusty water out of your arse.
That said, go where the locals eat (other than street vendors of course) as it'll be a helluva lot cheaper than the tourist spots (any most of the time, just as nice if not better).

Don't expect people to be immediately friendly and helpful to you, especially in Asia. They might be used to foreigners being dicks so will think you're just like the last lot of arrogant drunks that wandered by. But if you're always friendly and helpful to them, they will change and open up to you.
Where I lived in China the local shopkeeper was a total arse towards me the first couple of months. Barely acknowledged my existence, never spoke a word to me, would type the amount into his calculator and thrust it at me, drop the change on the counter and return to ignoring me. After 2 months of me always greeting him in Cantonese (I was in Southern China), he finally realised I was ok and became very chatty. I found he could in fact speak passable English and he was more than happy to help me with my Chinese. Indeed, he would make a point of trying to teach me a couple of words every time I went there!
Got to a point where he would serve me ahead of others in the shop and would arbitrary discount my groceries depending on his mood. I figure he must have had some really bad experiences with foreigners previous so treated every foreigner with contempt and suspicion until they proved otherwise.
Of course, there's racist dicks all over the world so don't take it personally if you come across a local who will treat you with contempt no matter how nice you are to them!

Which leads me to my final point: learn a bit of their language. You'll be surprised how much people'll open up and want to help you if you can struggle through a few words.

you can live and work in any (?) EU country for 6 months so if you don't have any in mind maybe you could take a few working holidays :)



why on Earth would you want to move to Italy?



I thought that was just the Netherlands :confused:

You can live and work in any EU country for as long as you like, as an EU citizen.
And no, that's all countries, not just the Netherlands.

Yes i'm thinking about those places. Not Italian or Spanish but with German/English and French I think you come far in the E.U. I have a job so i'm not intending to leave before I got another one of course.

That was my attitude as well. After a year of trying in vain, I packed up and left anyway. Had a job within 2 weeks of arriving in Dublin. :)

Because I realy like that country.

oh god you don't dress like an Italian do you? :p

You can live and work in any EU country for as long as you like, as an EU citizen.

you have to fill in paperwork beyond 6 months iirc though which as a general rule of European government will take 6 months to be processed >_>

what I'm getting at is you can stay in any EU country without having to put your foot down for 6 months so you can actually afford try some of the countries on first

And no, that's all countries, not just the Netherlands.

:eek2: *travels Europe going from country to country 3 months at a time*

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oh god you don't dress like an Italian do you? "


Non, I just like the food there and the culture and of course the climate :-)

you have to fill in paperwork beyond 6 months iirc though which as a general rule of European government will take 6 months to be processed >_>

what I'm getting at is you can stay in any EU country without having to put your foot down for 6 months so you can actually afford try some of the countries on first

Not true :

In accordance with the new directive, administrative formalities will be reduced. EU citizens will no longer need to obtain a residence permit in the Member State where they reside: a simple registration with the competent authorities will be enough, and even this will only be required if it is deemed necessary by the host Member State.

The Directive maintains the requirement that EU citizens need to exercise an economic activity or dispose of sufficient resources in order to take up residence in another Member State. However, after five years of uninterrupted residence, Union citizens and their family members will acquire a permanent right of residence, which will no longer be subject to any conditions. This permanent right will be a clear expression of a European citizenship, allowing EU citizens who have developed strong links with the Member State of residence to enjoy stronger rights.

http://ec.europa.eu/youreurope/nav/en/citizens/services/eu-guide/working/index_en.html#11344_9



:eek2: *travels Europe going from country to country 3 months at a time*

*lol Not quite that easy, I think. ;)

Inside the European Union, I would advise the opposite.
Most employers will not interview anyone who isn't yet in the country, as there are far too many time wasters. And there are agreements regarding unemployment benefits which allow you to receive benefits in whatever EU country you happen to look for a job in, for a total of 3 months.
Well, the EU with a citizen of the EU is a bit different than going from the US to Japan or even the US to the EU. :tongue:

Well, the EU with a citizen of the EU is a bit different than going from the US to Japan or even the US to the EU. :tongue:

True, definitely. That's why I wanted to know where he/she was coming from, and where she was going to before starting to give any advise. ;)