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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/07/Ohio.stuck.on.ice/index.html

I guess we know how those penguins that ended up in Peru felt. :p

*hides handsaw*

ZOMG!!! Global warming is threatening the Erieian Snowmobiler's Habitat... we gots to do something!!!

They should chill out.

Yes, the ice is supposed to do that, it doesn't have a choice in the matter, it's inanimate and must obey the laws of physics.

The people, on the other hand-they were just being stupid.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/07/Ohio.stuck.on.ice/index.html

I guess we know how those penguins that ended up in Peru felt. :p

*hides handsaw*

btw lg. Careful where you hide that. the cold metal could become a sticky situation...

Yes, the ice is supposed to do that, it doesn't have a choice in the matter, it's inanimate and must obey the laws of physics.

The people, on the other hand-they were just being stupid.

Stupid? on what basis - because they didn't know ahead of time that an 8 mile chunk of ice would break off?

You knew, of course, since you're not stupid - so why didn't you warn anyone? Are you admitting culpability here? I think you are!

Helicopters were participating in the rescue, Lanier said, including those from the Canadian Coast Guard, the U.S. Coast Guard, Ohio State University

:eek2: a private school I presume?

btw lg. Careful where you hide that. the cold metal could become a sticky situation...

...and I'd like to ask where you would hide said handsaw on your person O_o

:eek2: a private school I presume?

Probably student pilots. *nod*

Probably student pilots. *nod*

I bet they still show up late for class :D

I bet they still show up late for class :D

I meant student pilots doing the "rescues".

...and I'd like to ask where you would hide said handsaw on your person O_o this is LG. if you gotta ask, I suggest watching 'Allo 'Allo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086659/) and listen to the phrase "and I am down there with Hacksaws!"

I meant student pilots doing the "rescues".and how does that differ to CtP's statement? :D

Stupid? on what basis - because they didn't know ahead of time that an 8 mile chunk of ice would break off?

You knew, of course, since you're not stupid - so why didn't you warn anyone? Are you admitting culpability here? I think you are!

Waitaminute, are you accusing me of being a member of the Bush administration?

How smart is it, to say "Hey, it's warming up this week, let's go play on the ICE!" without checking the depth of the ice that you're going to be playing on?

Waitaminute, are you accusing me of being a member of the Bush administration?

My apologies. ;)

How smart is it, to say "Hey, it's warming up this week, let's go play on the ICE!" without checking the depth of the ice that you're going to be playing on?

How do we know they didn't? This was an 8 mile chunk of ice, it's not like just foolishly walking over a thin patch. There was in fact no way to check the depth of all that ice and its unreasonable to expect that the whole thing will break away.

:eek2: a private school I presume?

They were referring to the Ohio State University Medical Center helicopter. The medical helicopters are also used for search and rescue when they are not tied up doing hospital transfers or field EMS calls.

How do we know they didn't? This was an 8 mile chunk of ice, it's not like just foolishly walking over a thin patch. There was in fact no way to check the depth of all that ice and its unreasonable to expect that the whole thing will break away.

I don't know. The fact they had to put boards over the large cracks in the ice so the could drive onto it may have been a clue that not all was well.

My apologies. ;)



How do we know they didn't? This was an 8 mile chunk of ice, it's not like just foolishly walking over a thin patch. There was in fact no way to check the depth of all that ice and its unreasonable to expect that the whole thing will break away.

I would imagine it does something similar every late winter to spring.
Now it seems to have come early but with the reason that can not be named all over the news the last decade or so i would approach ice with caution.

I don't know. The fact they had to put boards over the large cracks in the ice so the could drive onto it may have been a clue that not all was well.

Hmm. Point.

Stupid? on what basis - because they didn't know ahead of time that an 8 mile chunk of ice would break off?

Wind from the south. Warm. Ice tends to fracture in that condition, and anyone with any brains and experience in moving about on lake ice knows you don't do it when the temperatures warm up.

How do we know they didn't? This was an 8 mile chunk of ice, it's not like just foolishly walking over a thin patch. There was in fact no way to check the depth of all that ice and its unreasonable to expect that the whole thing will break away.

The depth of the ice isn't the issue. It's subject to fracture no matter its thickness.

I don't know. The fact they had to put boards over the large cracks in the ice so the could drive onto it may have been a clue that not all was well.

I would admit, me not knowing anything about frozen lakes and such, would find the need for bridgebuilding on a frozen lake a major clue as to what ice conditions are...

Stupid? on what basis - because they didn't know ahead of time that an 8 mile chunk of ice would break off?


There were public radio advisories as well as weather signs that would have indicated the risks, according to the article. Not to mention the fact that these guys built makeshift bridges to cross floes that were already breaking up to go deeper into the lake.

In summary, yes, they were stupid. As stupid as people who think that "Warning: Electrified fence" means "Touch me! I dare you!"

One death. :(

You know, here I was enjoying chaos and somebody had to go and die. *bleah*

One death. :(

You know, here I was enjoying chaos and somebody had to go and die. *bleah*

Okay, someone died, so now it's a sport.

The only time it's really okay to enjoy the chaos, is when lives are not at stake.

Okay, someone died, so now it's a sport.

The only time it's really okay to enjoy the chaos, is when lives are not at stake.

Sometimes I do anyway, but It's really not okay. :tongue:

You know, here I was enjoying chaos and somebody had to go and die. *bleah*

He's a cowardly scoundrel. I suggest you go slap some sense into him.

Among the hundreds of people who went fishing Saturday were Gary and David Vaughn of Conneaut Lake, Pennsylvania.

They told the Plain Dealer that they set up a shanty about 7 a.m. and didn't come back out until 11 a.m., when they saw a crowd gathered at the edge of the ice. It was then that they knew they were in trouble.

"When we were over there waiting to be rescued, we feared the ice would just break up under us," Gary Vaughn, 47, told the newspaper. "I feared for my life."



I know them... they should have drowned.

He's a cowardly scoundrel. I suggest you go slap some sense into him.

I'm awfully tempted.

I'm awfully tempted.

I recommend the #4 Rubber Chicken. Lots of heft; won't leave marks.

They should chill out.

*groan*

There were public radio advisories as well as weather signs that would have indicated the risks, according to the article. Not to mention the fact that these guys built makeshift bridges to cross floes that were already breaking up to go deeper into the lake.

In summary, yes, they were stupid. As stupid as people who think that "Warning: Electrified fence" means "Touch me! I dare you!"

"Say to a person, there are billions of stars in the sky, and they will believe you. Say to that same person the paint is wet, and they will touch it just to make sure." :D